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« Reply #60 on: December 04, 2009, 02:51:32 PM »
My favorite recent super hero movies would have to be X2, Spider Man 2, Iron Man, and the Batman films. I haven't seen any of the Hellboy, Fantastic Four, Daredevil or Hulk films, nor did I see Wolverine or Superman Returns.

As for Watchmen, I actually enjoyed the film version. I enjoyed it enough that I bought it on Blu-ray and watched it again, but there's no way in hell it would ever make my top ten year list for 2009.
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« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2009, 03:04:37 PM »
Hellboy?

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« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2009, 03:06:15 PM »
And yes, I'd put Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, 300, Sin City, Hellboy, Unbreakable, X2: X-Men United and The Incredibles all over Iron Man.


Take out 300 and Im in complete agreement. Iron Man is basically on the Hulk (choose a version, it really doesnt matter) level. Not the worst, not evne close to the best.

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« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2009, 03:19:41 PM »
Hellboy?

:yuck

Still trying to forget that shit

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« Reply #64 on: December 04, 2009, 03:53:00 PM »
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.

300 is only important so far as it contributes to Porn Drift.

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« Reply #65 on: December 04, 2009, 04:02:25 PM »
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.

Aside from RDJ, the acting wasn't really all that great.
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« Reply #66 on: December 04, 2009, 04:09:04 PM »
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.


You trippin', son.  If "Unbreakable" doesn't count, I'd give that one to V for Vendetta.  Unbreakable counts, though.
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« Reply #67 on: December 04, 2009, 04:41:10 PM »
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, Mandark. Outside of Robert Downey Jr.'s performance, it is pretty weak. Both of Nolan's Bat flicks destroy it, as do a couple of others.
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« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2009, 04:42:37 PM »
RDJ was perfect. The rest of the cast was pretty blah.*

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« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2009, 04:44:41 PM »
Also, Jeff Bridges was chewing massive amounts of scenery at the end of the film.
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« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2009, 04:45:09 PM »
How about, "Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best lead acting of any superhero flick."  That's difficult to disagree with.
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« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2009, 04:47:15 PM »
I could be down with that.
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« Reply #72 on: December 04, 2009, 04:51:07 PM »
How about, "Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best lead acting of any superhero flick."  That's difficult to disagree with.

I'd agree with that, but don't let the Bat-tards over at GAF see that. They'll declare Jihad on your ass for forsaking the prophet Christian Bale.
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« Reply #73 on: December 04, 2009, 04:52:02 PM »
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that, Mandark. Outside of Robert Downey Jr.'s performance, it is pretty weak. Both of Nolan's Bat flicks destroy it, as do a couple of others.

I'd go with Watchmen too, for Billy Crudup, Jackie Earle Haley, and Jeffrey Dean Morgan.

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How about, "Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best lead acting of any superhero flick."  That's difficult to disagree with.

I'd be more willing to agree to this, although I'd say that Ron Perlman as Hellboy gives RDJ a run for his money.
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« Reply #74 on: December 04, 2009, 04:53:31 PM »
Haley was perfect as Rorschach, but he didn't carry the movie like RDJ did with Iron Man.
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« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2009, 04:54:27 PM »
I think that's unfair, since Ron Perlman is basically Hellboy in disguise.

And although it might upset some, Bale was obviously outperformed by three separate actors in The Dark Knight.
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« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2009, 04:57:46 PM »
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« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »
Comissioner Gordon's son?
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« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2009, 05:04:45 PM »
Also that one extra that yells, "NO MOAR DEAD COPS!!1"
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« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2009, 05:08:10 PM »
Haley was perfect as Rorschach, but he didn't carry the movie like RDJ did with Iron Man.

But that only means that he wasn't the only actor to turn in a great performance, plus Watchmen was more of an ensemble than Iron Man.
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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2009, 05:14:04 PM »
Basically anyone who was competent in The Dark Knight was a better actor than Bale.  Maybe the boat captain who tries to decide who dies was worse.

Are you including Deebo into this discussion as well?

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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2009, 05:20:37 PM »
Deebo has more talent than Christian Bale in his right eye alone.
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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2009, 05:26:39 PM »
Hellboy is better than Iron Man?

I think you guys are trying to troll a bunch of Iron Man fanboys that don't exist on the forum.

Same goes for people talking shit about The Dark Knight.
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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2009, 06:00:59 PM »
Terminator 4 really exposed Bale for the shitty actor that he is

Also, Iron Man :heartbeat Ain't nobody gonna break my stride (for being totally gay for the Superhero and movie)
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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2009, 06:05:37 PM »
Bale/Batman might be the weakest link in TDK

RDJ is the only interesting thing about Iron Man. The action scenes are pretty meh and it's one of the few comic book movies I can think of with a completely laughable "villain"

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« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2009, 12:52:51 AM »
Iron Man ain't a great movie, but it's got the best acting of any superhero flick.
You trippin', son.  If "Unbreakable" doesn't count, I'd give that one to V for Vendetta.  Unbreakable counts, though.

Honkey please.  V for Vendetta starred a guy reciting poetry behind a mask.  Maybe there are some standards by which that constitutes good acting, but they're not the ones I'm applying.  I haven't seen Unbreakable in years (I liked it a lot when I saw it), but is it that hard to get Bruce Willis to not emote, and for Samuel L. Jackson to be wild-eyed and menacing?  My impression was a movie that leaned a lot more on mystery and menace than on character.

I'm gonna let Jim Henley speak for me here:

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I read in a primer on improv recently about a director who liked to point at your partner on stage – you are an actor for the length of this anecdote – and tell you, “Your work is over there!” Meaning, your partner. Pay attention to him.

When critics and viewers say, correctly, that Iron Man is the best-acted superhero movie yet, that’s what they’re talking about.

The cast is uniformly good, and uniformly attentive to each other. Take Terrence Howard’s effort at Jim Rhodes, the Air-Force liaison. Howard’s a big-deal star, but as Rhodes he’s totally in the moment at all times. He doesn’t just play off Robert Downey Jr. like a dutiful supporting actor should, he’s wrapped up in his fellow officers and subordinates in the various control rooms. His transformation from upbraiding Tony like a bellicose Jiminy Cricket early in their charter flight to Afghanistan to drunken cameraderie with him later in the same flight has as its unity his selfless focus on Downey. Jeff Bridges makes Obadiah Stane work by completely underselling his jealousy of his business partner. Bridges gives Stane the relaxed self-assurance of rich white guys everywhere. He hates Tony Stark and wants him dead, but life is good! And Gwyneth Paltrow and Downey have some wonderful rallies of emotion and body language. Paltrow’s Pepper Potts orients her entire life around her boss, but no man is a hero to his valet, so she puts across her condescension with her loyalty. We understand how much professional pride she has in being seen as the one who does not sleep with her boss. Downey is the star, but Stark is a seducer, and Stark works, like a good actor, by riveting his attention on you. He’s only a tyrant to his robots. (At least two different characters utter the line “I’m not Tony Stark.”)

I'd quibble with some details (wasn't as high on Howard) but he nails the main point.  The main actors do a great job of playing off each other and implying their characters' relationships and histories together.  They create an impression of being long-time colleagues in just a few scenes, which is no mean trick.

I love it when a film pulls that off well, and it's a big part of why I like the movies I like (Casablanca, Jaws, Ghostbusters, Breaking Away, The Thin Man).  Notice how much better the parts of Hellboy 2 are where the team is dealing with each other than when the elves are on screen.

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« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2009, 12:58:28 AM »
You guys are overthinking this shit.

Iron Man was all about RDJ playing himself because he fit well in the Stark role.  Like a glove.  So when people are trying to point out that the actors were playing themselves, the vast majority of the people who spent money on watching this movie says "No shit, Sherlock."

Also, I'm pretty sure the Iron Man induced RDJ hype was the main reason why people bothered to watch Tropic Thunder.
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« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2009, 12:58:58 AM »
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The cast is uniformly good, and uniformly attentive to each other. Take Terrence Howard’s effort at Jim Rhodes, the Air-Force liaison. Howard’s a big-deal star, but as Rhodes he’s totally in the moment at all times. He doesn’t just play off Robert Downey Jr. like a dutiful supporting actor should, he’s wrapped up in his fellow officers and subordinates in the various control rooms. His transformation from upbraiding Tony like a bellicose Jiminy Cricket early in their charter flight to Afghanistan to drunken cameraderie with him later in the same flight has as its unity his selfless focus on Downey. Jeff Bridges makes Obadiah Stane work by completely underselling his jealousy of his business partner. Bridges gives Stane the relaxed self-assurance of rich white guys everywhere. He hates Tony Stark and wants him dead, but life is good! And Gwyneth Paltrow and Downey have some wonderful rallies of emotion and body language. Paltrow’s Pepper Potts orients her entire life around her boss, but no man is a hero to his valet, so she puts across her condescension with her loyalty. We understand how much professional pride she has in being seen as the one who does not sleep with her boss. Downey is the star, but Stark is a seducer, and Stark works, like a good actor, by riveting his attention on you. He’s only a tyrant to his robots. (At least two different characters utter the line “I’m not Tony Stark.”)

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Re: Thread of Iron Man 2 Anti-Hype
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2009, 01:17:30 AM »
Yeah, but to be fair Christian Bale is just a shitty actor.  Making him act with other people just isn't fair.

He was awesome in American Psycho, is not his fault that the Nolan's didn't write any good scene for bruce wayne.
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« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2009, 01:20:26 AM »
Nah, Nolan is fine.  Bale was good in American Psycho but he just doesn't work in the Batman role.  Never saw him in Terminator 4 and don't intend to.
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« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2009, 01:21:30 AM »
I think he's pretty good as Batman, he's just not the messiah, as some would have you believe.
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« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2009, 01:22:21 AM »
i think bale is good as batman but someone need to tell him to talk as a normal person.

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« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2009, 01:29:17 AM »
What I mean is that Harvey, The Joker and even Gordon have some big intense moments during the film while Bruce/batman was just there, practically doing the dirty work for the other characters, people criticize Bale's performance during the film but there wasn't really a lot in there for him to do, this was more of a Dent vs The Joker movie with batman acting as Dent's muscle.
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« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2009, 02:42:19 AM »
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I wouldn't expect him to do well in a romcom, though
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2009, 03:00:19 AM »
I should have a txt file with my old post on Bale, so I can c/p it whenever he comes up.

He's got a really narrow range, from Intense to Obsessed, and maybe that's cause he's playing himself.  Not a great actor, but Batman as a character is right in his wheel house.  If Bale can play anyone, it's a menacing dude with OCD.  I've got no problems with him in the role, especially now that I'm used to the voice.

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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2009, 02:04:06 PM »
Hellboy is better than Iron Man?

quite a bit, yes.
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« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2009, 02:10:01 PM »
Careful, Cohen, your trolling will wake Solo from his slumber!
Are you joking/confusing me with someone? I hope so, because no one rags on Bale's shittastic acting in TDK more than me  :lol

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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2009, 02:40:29 PM »
I still would have liked to see DiCaprio's Patrick Bateman. In hindsight, Bale probably was better for that particular role, but it would have been interesting for a pre-Scorsese Leo to be in it.

Someone earlier was dead on about Bale. He is a great actor, provided he is funneled into a role that requires intensity or being an asshole. Anything outside that range, and he is a below average talent. He was outclassed by Jackman in The Prestige, by Steve Zahn in Rescue Dawn, by Russell Crow in Yuma, by everyone in TDK, and he was flat out terrible in Harsh Times Terminator. Those two especially are so incredibly over the top.

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« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2009, 02:44:24 PM »
iron man >>> the dark knight

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« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2009, 02:47:39 PM »
I think I enjoy Keanu Reeves more.
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« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2009, 02:51:25 PM »
Although, both Matrix sequels were pretty bad.
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« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2009, 02:52:14 PM »
I think I enjoy Keanu Reeves more.

At least Reeves isnt drinking his own kool-aid

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« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2009, 09:13:48 PM »
Keanu Reeves is the most boring actor of our generation, I enjoy more seeing fucking pauly short on the screen than keanu.
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« Reply #103 on: December 16, 2009, 05:00:19 PM »
iron man >>> the dark knight



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« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2009, 05:16:00 PM »
Bale will be the next Nicholas Cage.

Highly bankable name after a while, with a few actually good performances due to their lack of range. 

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« Reply #105 on: December 16, 2009, 05:17:24 PM »
But Bale isn't bankable...
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« Reply #106 on: December 16, 2009, 05:19:59 PM »
I think he will be.  He'll be known as that decent action movie guy, I think. 

The average shit-fucks liked Terminator enough.  They loved Batman.  The next Batman will come out too.  And I'm sure Bale will realize his shit skills and be complacent in action movies after the Batman saga ends.

Edit: I see a trend!...

In Development:

   1. Killing Pablo (details only on IMDbPro)
   2. Terminator 5 (details only on IMDbPro)
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   1. The Fighter (2010) (post-production) .... Dickie Eklund
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« Reply #107 on: December 16, 2009, 05:22:11 PM »
That preview looks badass, can't wait for the trailer, I hope is attached to avatar :hyper
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« Reply #108 on: December 16, 2009, 05:24:06 PM »
The Fighter and Killing Pablo are gonna rock, but haters gonna hate.
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« Reply #109 on: December 16, 2009, 05:24:56 PM »
No, Robert Downey Jr. doesn't want it attached to that trash. It's going to be attached to Sherlock Holmes.
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« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2009, 05:27:37 PM »
Terminator Salvation wasn't exactly a hit. I think it's fair to say Public Enemies underperformed, but that was more of a Depp film than a Bale film. Really outside of the Batman films he hasn't shown that he's going to be some big action star. Right now he's like a slightly more successful Gereld Butler
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« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2009, 05:29:38 PM »
The Fighter and Killing Pablo are gonna rock, but haters gonna hate.
I don't know anything about The Fighter, but Killing Pablo will most likely kick ass.

Terminator Salvation wasn't exactly a hit. I think it's fair to say Public Enemies underperformed, but that was more of a Depp film than a Bale film. Really outside of the Batman films he hasn't shown that he's going to be some big action star. Right now he's like a slightly more successful Gereld Butler
I'm just thinking on a hunch.  Most of the people I know still regard Bale as badass.  And I think he will definitely breakout of the "it's the guy that played batman!" phase.  If anything, he has shown to be consistently mediocre, much like Cage.

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« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2009, 09:00:42 PM »
... and that looks stupid. Downey Jr. is still awesome, but there looks like way too much shit going on. Rourke's character design looks distinguished mentally-challenged.
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« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2009, 10:28:47 PM »
... and that looks stupid. Downey Jr. is still awesome, but there looks like way too much shit going on. Rourke's character design looks distinguished mentally-challenged.

agreed

I don't get who the villain is.  Rourke's character can be defeated with a hand gun or broken glass.  Then there are a bunch of other suits that Warmachine and him fight.  Rourke seems like a hobo and probably couldn't afford those.  And like, is that glowing thing giving Tony cancer?  just from the trailer it seems like there are way too many conflicts going on.

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« Reply #115 on: December 16, 2009, 10:30:02 PM »
Rourke looks like a homeless person who has never showered, armed with Rickety Cricket's back brace and some S&M gear.
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« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2009, 11:08:51 PM »
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/

Scarlett Johansson should stick with the red hair.

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« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2009, 11:54:50 PM »
The ending :hyper

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« Reply #118 on: December 17, 2009, 12:12:13 AM »
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« Reply #119 on: December 17, 2009, 12:15:23 AM »
I didn't see this. :lol