MW2 sold over 6 million copies last month (November NPD)

[The Fake Shemp]

I wonder if you take Steam sales in addition to retail sales, if Dragon Age outsold or is close to the number of Xbox 360 copies sold. I know I slag on PC gaming, but I would honestly be a little shocked if the console port pushed more units.

[Stoney Mason]

PC retail titles chart, but they obviously don't track sales from DD services (almost none of which release any real numbers).

Crushed is right, Stony Mason is horribly wrong.

Fair enough. I thought a few years ago they tracked them separately but I certainly could be wrong on both accounts.

[Purple Filth]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18833153&postcount=596

spinning for RIDE...

[pilonv1]

It's not spinning that much, most companies would care more about revenue than unit sales.

But it cannot be even close to what they had forecasted.

[Rob]

Data care of NPD Group
Reporting Period: 11/1 - 11/28/09

Xbox 360 819.5K
PlayStation 3 710.4K

Sfags:

[Human Snorenado]

I wonder if you take Steam sales in addition to retail sales, if Dragon Age outsold or is close to the number of Xbox 360 copies sold. I know I slag on PC gaming, but I would honestly be a little shocked if the console port pushed more units.

I'm kind of disappointed that it didn't sell better on the 360 to be honest.  Oh well, the pc version IS better.

[The Sceneman]

revolting numbers for MW2, why the fuck is that game so popular? Poop 4 hour campaign and multi thats the same as MW1

[The Sceneman]

Data care of NPD Group
Reporting Period: 11/1 - 11/28/09

Xbox 360 819.5K
PlayStation 3 710.4K

Sfags:

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Rob

heres hoping hes a dude that posts heaps of gifs and image macros, this forum needs one real bad since Meme Machine left  :'(

[Purple Filth]

revolting numbers for MW2, why the fuck is that game so popular? Poop 4 hour campaign and multi thats the same as MW1

boom there it is

[pilonv1]

Xbox 360 also led games sales in November, with four of the top ten console games with third party titles selling “more on Xbox 360 last month than on the other current generation platforms combined.”

360 is amazing

[Stoney Mason]

A man after my own heart.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18833391&postcount=687

I so love people like this

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18833077&postcount=568

I've always enjoy sales numbers for the same reason I love sports stats. It's interesting to dispassionately observe trends and movements of a hobby I like.

But when you put your heart and soul into wishing that a piece of hardware or software justifies your love or your world view based on sales numbers. You deserve to be mocked endlessly.

Also Wii is the true beast.

"While there has been a lot of focus on Wii sales as compared to last year, the system was still the best-selling console system by a margin of 54%. At this same point in the PS2 lifecycle, the PS2 was down in unit sales by 23% over the previous year, but as history has shown, it continues to have a great deal of life left in it. So focusing on a comparison to Wii's stellar 2008 performance masks the reality of just how well this system is selling."

[MCD]

XBEAST 360

[cool breeze]

is the full list released yet?

[treythemovie]

PC retail titles chart, but they obviously don't track sales from DD services (almost none of which release any real numbers).

Crushed is right, Stony Mason is horribly wrong.

Actually, they're both right: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/spore/news.html?sid=6240125

NPD charts PC retail titles and does so separately from the console/handheld titles.

[Beezy]

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that 360 still outsold PS3.

[The Fake Shemp]

It's easy to sell systems when you ban all your users before MW2.

[Purple Filth]

RIDE platform breakdown

Wii - 67k
360 - 30k
PS3 - 16k

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6242771.html

[The Fake Shemp]

So did Uncharted 2 drop off the face of the planet?

[Bildi]

RIDE platform breakdown

Wii - 67k
360 - 30k
PS3 - 16k

Well that should shut up those third parties complaining about the Wii.

[Purple Filth]

So did Uncharted 2 drop off the face of the planet?

not sure yet, no top 20 is out.

its definitely less than 315k but we'll see.

[Rman]

Valve making smart business moves by using what would've been the dev budget for a PS3 version for marketing the PC/360 versions instead.  

[treythemovie]

RIDE platform breakdown

Wii - 67k
360 - 30k
PS3 - 16k

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6242771.html

Man, Wii owners have such a fetish for plastic pack-ins/periphals

[The Fake Shemp]

The best part about all the fanboy tears is the insistence of some people that the PlayStation 3 is going to overtake the Xbox 360 in terms of sales... eventually. Microsoft is moving towards their fifth year with the Xbox 360, do they really care at this point?

[Purple Filth]

Valve making smart business moves by using what would've been the dev budget for a PS3 version for marketing the PC/360 versions instead.  

i think they would have gotten some more if a PS3 version existed since the sony fans would love to buy it regardless.

But the cost to get it running good enough could have been a factor.

The best part about all the fanboy tears is the insistence of some people that the PlayStation 3 is going to overtake the Xbox 360 in terms of sales... eventually. Microsoft is moving towards their fifth year with the Xbox 360, do they really care at this point?

i dont get it either since the US gap is too large IMO, they should be glad that the PS3 is still selling enough hardware and getting games.

[cool breeze]

Valve should have turned L4D1 into an XBLA game like they did with Portal.  There is probably appeal in having it on your HD at all times.

that's actually a bad idea.  I can't think of something else to edit in to hide it.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

at 120-fucking-dollars, those sales for Tony Hawk are phenomenal.  If it had debuted at a mere 30 bucks cheaper I can guarantee it would have sold at least twice as much.

If Activision didn't have MW2 to carry them this season, they'd be drowning in red ink over Tony Hawk and DJ Hero.

[The Fake Shemp]

Obviously, Sony is just biding their time until Microsoft launches a new system and then - pow! - the PlayStation 3 will really take off!

[Human Snorenado]

Obviously, Sony is just biding their time until Microsoft launches a new system and then - pow! - the PlayStation 3 will really take off!

If they really wanted it to succeed they'd quit licensing out blu-ray tech and have the PS3 be the only player on the market.

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Yes, I know this is absurd.

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[The Fake Shemp]

That would undoubtedly kill the format, thus negating the selling point entirely. If they really wanted to succeed, it shouldn't have launched at $600.

[The Fake Shemp]

Also, some compelling software would have been nice. I always felt bad when list wars would start and people would resort to listing PSN titles until this year.

[CajoleJuice]

But Uncharted 2 is like the MOST AMAZING VIDEOGAME EVER.

[The Fake Shemp]

That was the best post at GAF today, someone posted something along the lines of:

"So I guess Uncharted was... uncharted."

To be fair, Uncharted 2 is seriously the first legitimate first-party title that Sony has released and lived up to the hoopla. If it was released on the Xbox 360, it probably would have sold a billion copies. Certainly as many as Dragon Age, which charted in the Top 10.

[Brehvolution]

Data care of NPD Group
Reporting Period: 11/1 - 11/28/09

Xbox 360 819.5K
PlayStation 3 710.4K

Sfags:

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But Pacter was right about the 700k.

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[The Fake Shemp]

I really don't know how that guy gets to keep his job. He's wrong the vast majority of the time. How can you perform so horribly at you job, and get to keep it? Especially in this economy!

[Brehvolution]

He's obviously a republican. 

[The Fake Shemp]

Conservatives = Sony fans
Liberals = Nintendo fans
Moderates = Microsoft fans

[Stoney Mason]

Uncharted 2 is a legit great game. (I would characterize that as distinctly different than some of the other franchises like Resistance or Killzone 2 which are good games, not great games that Sony fans tried to overboost to compete with the 360)

It's sold about as well as sony exclusives tend to sell this gen. Which is way below what 360 exclusives tend to sell.

Things start to reach the annonying level when people start trying to post in a manner of what other people should buy and be interested in.

Each platform fanboy has their unique quirks.

The Sony fanboy quirk is absolutely utter rage at a universe they can't comprehend. They have the more powerful system this time, and finally the good games at a somewhat reasonable price and they are still getting beat. It drives them insane.

[The Fake Shemp]

They have the more powerful system this time...

budget rsx gpu

[iconoclast]

Also, some compelling software would have been nice. I always felt bad when list wars would start and people would resort to listing PSN titles until this year.

Well Wipeout HD is a PSN game and it's pretty awesome... 

[duckman2000]

Were people in the NPD prediction thread expecting the PS3 to win, is that the source of the outrage? I figured it would be assumed that MS would take the month, what with MW2 being so tightly connected to the brand.

This does mesh with the "musings" thread; plenty of PS3s sold, not so much software. Shame about Uncharted 2 not doing better, but I'm guessing it's about on par with expectations. There's just this weird, massive gap between good retail performance and stuff like MW, Halo or GTA (or whatever strange hits Nintendo has), and no PS3 exclusive will ever do that well.

[The Fake Shemp]

Were people in the NPD prediction thread expecting the PS3 to win, is that the source of the outrage? I figured it would be assumed that MS would take the month, what with MW2 being so tightly connected to the brand.

Sony cockteased fans with bragging about its Black Friday numbers, so a NPD victory seemed like a slam dunk. I didn't really get it either, because I believe I stated just last month that Call of Duty is pretty much synonymous with Xbox at this point.

I mean, if the Best Buy and Wal-Mart ads were to be believed, Modern Warfare 2 wasn't even released for the PlayStation 3.

In the end, this proves what I said all along, that Microsoft has the strongest platform for online content, which has been the catalyst for sales this generation. Sony could offer free handjobs, and it'd still be in second place.

That said, we need Sony to exist and thrive, so that gamers can force Microsoft to offer Xbox Live for free one day.

[Stoney Mason]

They have the more powerful system this time...

budget rsx gpu

The thing is although it's stupidly complicated for no good reason it does have the higher top end. There are no 360 games that will look as good as Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2. (Although for the majority of games the 360 version is better when it comes to multiplatform stuff which is where the bulk of software is going to be sold so arguably it's a moot point anyway)

What these people (and a certain bulk of the PC audience never seems to get) is that pure graphics power is immaterial. It's why the PS 2 beat its rivals. It's why historically having the best graphics means jack shit. Because normal people just play and enjoy games they like. They don't do Digital Foundry style wanking over textures.

Were people in the NPD prediction thread expecting the PS3 to win, is that the source of the outrage? I figured it would be assumed that MS would take the month, what with MW2 being so tightly connected to the brand.

This does mesh with the "musings" thread; plenty of PS3s sold, not so much software. Shame about Uncharted 2 not doing better, but I'm guessing it's about on par with expectations. There's just this weird, massive gap between good retail performance and stuff like MW, Halo or GTA (or whatever strange hits Nintendo has), and no PS3 exclusive will ever do that well.

Almost no one picked 360 over PS3 this month. Especially on the analyst side. That lead to increased expectations from the fanboys who care about such things.

[The Fake Shemp]

There are no 360 games that will look as good as Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2.

Why do people always say things like this? Of course there will be a Xbox 360 game that looks better than those two, and there are some that'd argue that Killzone 2 is no graphical bar either.

Probably Gears 3 or some stupid game like that.

[cool breeze]

I thought the big reason people didn't think the 360 would sell a lot was because everyone who would have bought a 360 for MW2 would have already owned one for CoD4.

[Human Snorenado]

That said, we need Sony to exist and thrive, so that gamers can force Microsoft to offer Xbox Live for free one day.

They'd need to offer a competent online service for free/cheaper than Live.  That ain't ever gonna happen.

[The Fake Shemp]

I think this generation has proven that you never say "never", Triumph.

[Stoney Mason]

There are no 360 games that will look as good as Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2.

Why do people always say things like this? Of course there will be a Xbox 360 game that looks better than those two, and there are some that'd argue that Killzone 2 is no graphic bar either.

Probably Gears 3 or some stupid game like that.

We shall see. I don't think it will happen and honestly it doesn't matter if it happens or not which is my larger point. The best graphics don't matter. They never have and they never will. Some 360 fanboys are embarrassed to admit that Uncharted 2 or Killzone 2 look better than stuff on the 360. They shouldn't be. Who cares? It doesn't matter. The games that people want to play at the price that people want to pay is what matters.

[Purple Filth]

Were people in the NPD prediction thread expecting the PS3 to win, is that the source of the outrage? I figured it would be assumed that MS would take the month, what with MW2 being so tightly connected to the brand.

Sony cockteased fans with bragging about its Black Friday numbers, so a NPD victory seemed like a slam dunk. I didn't really get it either, because I believe I stated just last month that Call of Duty is pretty much synonymous with Xbox at this point.

I mean, if the Best Buy and Wal-Mart ads were to be believed, Modern Warfare 2 wasn't even released for the PlayStation 3.

In the end, this proves what I said all along, that Microsoft has the strongest platform for online content, which has been the catalyst for sales this generation. Sony could offer free handjobs, and it'd still be in second place.

That said, we need Sony to exist and thrive, so that gamers can force Microsoft to offer Xbox Live for free one day.

Added with the fact that MS's reaction to their BF numbers were not as enthusiastic (to be fair it possibly wasn't and the overall month made them the victor).

It would be interesting if they had the same features as live and still be free, would it change.

[cool breeze]

Sony only needs to survive to make the PSP2.  And to let Sucker Punch do what they want.  

[duckman2000]

I'd rather see Sony get throttled to the point where we end up with one (proper) console future. They have made enough blunders this generation that they have well earned their spot, but I'd hate to lose the network of talented studios that the company has.

Whatever though, it's a bit weird talking doom and gloom when the numbers are what they are, I'm just getting fed up with having to support multiple systems.

[The Fake Shemp]

Dude, Stoney Mason, I like you and all, but the argument that "game on console x will always look better than game on console y" never pans out, unless one sticks around significantly past the other's lifespan. That's just fanboy poppycock.

A developer will come along and always use the hardware to make a better looking game, regardless of the platform.

[Brehvolution]

It doesn't surprise me the 360 did so well. It's the same price as a wii but in HD and has a better library. Probably alot of wii only and ps3 only people jumped in. Mainly for MW2.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'd rather see Sony get throttled to the point where we end up with one (proper) console future.

I already stated that I think a proper consortium that creates standard hardware specifications for consoles is the only way for the industry to avoid a catastrophic meltdown down the line. The system that is currently in place is not sustainable, for manufacturers or publishers. It was largely prevented this time around, but that's just because the software side consolidated instead of folded.

Fanboys can even having their pissing arguments, warring over which manufacturer makes the highest quality system and has superior multimedia support.

[Brehvolution]

I'm kinda with Stoney here, Willco. Most 360 game run on the Unreal engine whereas U2, KZ2 , and other Sony exclusives run their own individually.

[Stoney Mason]

Dude, Stoney Mason, I like you and all, but the argument that "game on console x will always look better than game on console y" never pans out, unless one sticks around significantly past the other's lifespan. That's just fanboy poppycock.

A developer will come along and always use the hardware to make a better looking game, regardless of the platform.

I'll say it doesn't matter. Whether the 360 has games that look as good as the best on the PS3 doesn't matter. To normal people the graphics on both consoles look the exact same. For the hardcore crowd, whether it's true or not, or whether it is only the case for the moment or forever, there is a perception that the top end PS3 games look better than the top end 360 games. I'm saying either way it's a completely moot argument.

Modern Warfare 2 doesn't look as good as Killzone 2 and it just outsold it lifetime in probably a few days. The only part I'm really arguing is that there is too much attention on the graphics as the sole reason why people play games. When genre, frame rate, tone, theme, innovation, past product history, etc all play a part. It doesn't matter which one has the better graphics. For 95% of the buying audience there is no appreciable difference or it doesnt matter if there is.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm kinda with Stoney here, Willco. Most 360 game run on the Unreal engine whereas U2, KZ2 , and other Sony exclusives run their own individually.

I don't think I disagreed that Uncharted 2 looks pretty baller right now, but you're kidding yourself if you think there won't be anything developed for the 360 that will exceed it. It's just a matter of time.

I remember when folks said PS2 would never touch Xbox, but that got disproven.

I agree with what you're trying to say, Stoney, but I can't swallow conclusive statements like that.

[iconoclast]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Banjo: Nuts and Bolts is the best looking game so far this gen. Granted I haven't played Uncharted 2 yet, but it at least looks better than Grayscale: The Game.

[cool breeze]

I'm with Stoney Mason too.  None of the big 360 games are really graphics beasts, and no one actually cares.  I still remember playing the Forza 2 demo at a friends house on a crappy 30-some inch SD TV from some eastern euro company, and they were all saying how great the game looked.  Who am I to tell them otherwise.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Banjo: Nuts and Bolts is the best looking game so far this gen. Granted I haven't played Uncharted 2 yet, but it at least looks better than Grayscale: The Game.

Banjo Nuts and Bolts ran really poor, though.  That's one thing that pisses me off.  It's nice and all to make a game look great, but not if it won't run at a solid 30 and be chugging like crazy.  KZ2 chugged a lot too, and that's one reason why Uncharted 2 is so impressive.  It's not just that the game looks great, there is no tearing, great image quality, and a solid 30 at all times.

[The Fake Shemp]

Uncharted 2 is better looking than Banjo. Hell, everything is better looking than Banjo. Banjo-Kazooie XBLA is better looking than Nuts and Bolts.

[Bebpo]

good jon everyone, thanks to MW2, price drops, bannings, and mario the console market is healthy again in the USA