Avatar: Willco still hates it

[AdmiralViscen]

The alien queen possessed more nuance than quidditch

[The Fake Shemp]

The aggregate from the top critics is lower on Drag Me to Hell, as is the average score from the top critics.

Sounds like semantics to me. Cry moar?

@ "quidditch"

[Great Rumbler]

The aggregate from the top critics is lower on Drag Me to Hell, as is the average score from the top critics.

Sounds like semantics to me. Cry moar?

Hey, I can't help it that Avatar is making big bucks all over the world, winning praise from movie-goers, and getting award nominations from critics.

[The Fake Shemp]

Actually, you did help it. Avatards. Geez.

[Great Rumbler]

Actually, you did help it. Avatards. Geez.

I am but one man, Willco. The world as a whole has spoken and blue furries are king.

Sounds like you're just behind in the times, old man.

[The Fake Shemp]

One man can make a difference. Or did you not learn anything from the rehashed story in Avatar?

[Great Rumbler]

But they only won because of the interconnectedness of the entire world, which provided invaluable aid at a critical juncture. Just as James Cameron has united the world in its love for Avatar and blue furries.

Of course, you'd know that if you actually saw the movie.

[The Fake Shemp]

But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.

Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie.

[Herr Mafflard]

Isn't it funny that James Cameron has essentially made an anti-modernist film promoting environmentalism while using the all latest spoils of technology and all the money he can muster from the big corporations.

Talk about practising what you preach...

But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.

Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie.

He wasn't just a person Willco. He was the chosen one.

Yes, that's how trite this film is.

[Brehvolution]

This thread

[The Fake Shemp]

This movie

[Barry Egan]

He thinks the Na'vi are subhuman savages. He sees no problem in driving them off their land. He even tries to be somewhat humane about it during the first go-around. He works for a corporation that sees significant monetary value in doing this. He's no different from one of King Leopold's lackeys in Belgium. He's also itching for combat. He wants to use all that expensive (and admittedly badass) military equipment at his disposal. He tells Sully that he has seen some extensive combat experience before. Now he's doing security detail on some planet 6 light years from Earth. Of course he's going to want to get some action in.

oh wow man.  Well when you put it that way.

rofl.

[Herr Mafflard]

This thread is better than the movie

[Great Rumbler]

But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.

Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie.

Nope. Jake Sully and the Na'vi didn't win the battle, it was the planet as a whole rising up to drive off the invaders that led to victory.

Didn't you read that in any reviews?

[border]

Jake united all the Tribes.  Jake prayed to Earthmother for Divine Intervention.  Without him, the hope of the Na'vi people would have been lost!

[Purple Filth]

But was it not one person who was able to rise above adversity and realize the true power and beauty of the world's indigenous people that led to them overcoming their oppressive obstacle.

Of course, you'd know that if you actually paid attention to the movie.

Nope. Jake Sully and the Na'vi didn't win the battle, it was the planet as a whole rising up to drive off the invaders that led to victory.

Didn't you read that in any reviews?

True but it was Jake who was the grand architect for these events

edit: beaten

[The Fake Shemp]

He thinks the Na'vi are subhuman savages. He sees no problem in driving them off their land. He even tries to be somewhat humane about it during the first go-around. He works for a corporation that sees significant monetary value in doing this. He's no different from one of King Leopold's lackeys in Belgium. He's also itching for combat. He wants to use all that expensive (and admittedly badass) military equipment at his disposal. He tells Sully that he has seen some extensive combat experience before. Now he's doing security detail on some planet 6 light years from Earth. Of course he's going to want to get some action in.

oh wow man.  Well when you put it that way.

rofl.

Darth Maul didn't need any dialogue, he is Sith and they are evil! Motivation is there!

[Barry Egan]

you know your movies generic when the dude who hasn't seen it can win an argument over a specific plot point 

[Herr Mafflard]

Hey, he has a lot of character depth compared to the tornado from Twister.

This is true. Cameron vindicated. Haters annihilated.

[Great Rumbler]

Jake united all the Tribes.  Jake prayed to Earthmother for Divine Intervention.  Without him, the hope of the Na'vi people would have been lost!

There was no divine intervention. The Earthmother was just a global hivemind [of a sort] that the Na'vi saw as being a deity, "it doesn't take sides, it maintains balance". In this case, the humans were upsetting the balance of nature on the planet [by ransacking it], so the planet reacted and pushed them out. Same way that your body reacts as a whole to a harmful virus.

Jake uniting the tribes didn't mean anything because they were still on the verge of losing until the planet itself finally reacted to the threat.

[Ichirou]

In fact, thanks to Jake's intervention a lot more people got killed than otherwise would have? So in essence that sort of makes him the villain of the piece?  Is that what you're saying?

Brilliant, Cameron, brilliant.

[Great Rumbler]

In fact, thanks to Jake's intervention a lot more people got killed than otherwise would have? So in essence that sort of makes him the villain of the piece?  Is that what you're saying?

Brilliant, Cameron, brilliant.

Well, he managed to save the tree by prolonging the battle long enough for the planet to gather itself and react. But ultimately Jake and the Na'vi weren't instrumental in actually winning the battle. The planet's timely intervention was what changed the tide of battle and without it the Na'vi lose and their tree gets roasted.

[ferrarimanf355]

Wow, this thread took a turn into a brick wall...

[etiolate]

Whenever I hear someone say they just got back from Avatar, it goes like this:

"Oh man I just saw avatar!"
"How was it?"
"Awesome"
"Orly?"
"Well, the story is kind of dumb and it's all the same stuff you've seen before, but it looked great"

Which is all making me wonder if this is the playboy bunny of cinema.

[Diunx]

Whatever haters, the movie is a critical and commercial success and it will probably be nominated for best picture.

James Cameron
Angry internet people

[etiolate]

Whatever haters, the movie is a critical and commercial success and it will probably be nominated for best picture.

James Cameron
Angry internet people

Except I am talking about people who liked the movie. I haven't seen the film.

[brawndolicious]

Characterization and dialogue matter, but in a movie like this, they just need to be passable. As long as the story and characters and dialogue aren't a complete Transformers 2-level failure, they're good enough. I personally liked the story and most of the characters. The backbone of this story has been told before, but never like this.

A great deal of the emotional weight in this film comes from the big sequences. Many people I've talked to were moved almost to tears by some of the set-piece-driven scenes in this film. Not everyone who has seen it feels this way, but a lot of people do. The sense of wonder in Avatar is like nothing else.

That's what I went into this movie expecting but what I got was a three hour film with 90% exposition.  In a movie like that, obviously, the main thing that you should focus on is making the dialogue and characterization as good as possible, rather than having them take a backseat to the 3D effects.  Either that or he could have chopped off at least an hour.

It required a lot more than just it's effects and setpieces to stay interesting for the full three hours dude and it completely failed on that front.

[demi]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/24/james-cameron-in-major-a-hole-dispute/

Even Cameron thinks you guys are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, lmao

[twerd]

random troll about this shit avatar movie

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/24/james-cameron-in-major-a-hole-dispute/

Even Cameron thinks you guys are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, lmao

http://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-CAMERONS-AVATAR-CAST-SIGNED-POSTER-SEEN-ON-TMZ_W0QQitemZ220530126339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33589eae03

He's a real fan alright.

[TakingBackSunday]

He's still a fucking asshole, this only validates more that he's a prick.

[demi]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/24/james-cameron-in-major-a-hole-dispute/

Even Cameron thinks you guys are distinguished mentally-challenged fellows, lmao

http://cgi.ebay.com/JAMES-CAMERONS-AVATAR-CAST-SIGNED-POSTER-SEEN-ON-TMZ_W0QQitemZ220530126339QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item33589eae03

He's a real fan alright.

Cameron robbed you for your money, why not him? Seems he is justified... nice white knighting loser.

[Great Rumbler]

It would be awesome if Cameron ambushed him in a dark alley and made him buy a ticket at gun-point.

[demi]

Actually that "fan" looks like a one of the member of the TMZ team, and this pretty much fits their MO; "harass celebrity X until an outburst is caught on cam."

Or, and this might be a bit confusing for some people, but Cameron could not be a dickwipe and just sign the piece of paper?

I know, I know. Confounding revelation. No no don't mind me

[demi]

I'm gonna go with what the video says. I'm sure if Cameron is so inclined he can make a 3D masterpiece evoking thought and discussion showing he is not in fact a dickless leech.

[Great Rumbler]

I was going to post more, but this thread has already sapped most of my will to live. The less I post here the better. 

[ManaByte]

Cameron isn't an asshole in person. You just need to know how to get his attention.

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[The Fake Shemp]

Cameron is an asshole, it's not some industry secret. James Horner even refused to work with him after Aliens until Cameron apologized and came begging for forgiveness prior to Titanic. His on-set tirades are pretty well known, in fact they make up most of the supplemental material on the Aliens disc set. I've got some industry acquaintances that have worked with Cameron, and also state he's a pretty big asshole.

The caveat is that the guy is a technical genius, and he really knows his shit. The vast majority of the time, when he calls a crew member out on something - it's because he's right. It's just the guy has never heard of tact.

That said, TMZ is a tabloid full of antagonistic assholes, so I'm pretty sure it's a LITTLE BIT FROM COLUMN A AND A LITTLE BIT FROM COLUMN B.

[Diunx]

meh, if I were a celebrity I would tell anyone with less money than me to fuck off.

[recursivelyenumerable]

so 1 hour's salary is the standard price for stalking rights?  good to know.

[brawndolicious]

I thought it was pretty well known that his nickname for Kate Winslet while shooting Titanic was Weighs-A-Lot?  I mean anybody would cuss out some random douche on the street, but you'd have to be a fairly huge asshole to treat the leading actress in your film, which is the biggest budget film at the time, like that.  Maybe his attitude towards his actors is why the acting seems to be the weakest parts of his movies.

[AdmiralViscen]

Weighs-A-Lot? More like Please-Suck-My-Dick

[Diunx]

Movie is awesome

[bork]

Movie is awesome

It better be.  If it sucks, I'M COMING AFTER YOU.   

We're off to go see it now.

[Great Rumbler]

I hear a lot of people saying that they liked it even more after the second time they saw, which is getting me excited about going to see it again. Unfortunately, I've nearly bankrupted myself on Steam sales.

[The Fake Shemp]

I hear if you see it a third time, it's even better.

[Mr. Gundam]

It was a fun action flick, but that's all it was. I have no desire to ever see it again.

[demi]

I hear a lot of people saying that they liked it even more after the second time they saw, which is getting me excited about going to see it again. Unfortunately, I've nearly bankrupted myself on Steam sales.

> HE CANT AFFORD A $10 MOVIE

> HE PAYS $10 TO SEE A MOVIE

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[The Fake Shemp]

It was a fun action flick, but that's all it was. I have no desire to ever see it again.

But after you see it for the fourth time, Cameron actually gives you that much-desired reach around.

I actually got to see some neat stuff from Avatar post-production. Cameron tirelessly worked these guys, but it looks like it paid off. It will be interesting to see the true impact of Avatar, which is the increased adoption of digital 3D projectors, and whether or not Hollywood will run with the technology going forward.

[Diunx]

I hope that the true impact of avatar is that it stops the shakky cam during big action scenes bullshit.

[The Fake Shemp]

That won't stop anytime soon, because - gosh darnit! - the kids love it.

[The Fake Shemp]

Sounds like a troll to me.

[fistfulofmetal]

24 hours until my second viewing. taking dad and brother as a christmas present.

[The Fake Shemp]

I guess they were awfully naughty at the fistfulofmetal residence this year.

[Great Rumbler]

Could be worse. He could be taking them to the furry movie that doesn't have a huge battle at the end.

[recursivelyenumerable]

It would be cool if movies could borrow some of the replayability features that have been innovated by the game world, such as New Game + and harder difficulty settings.  They'd have to be adapted to fit the medium of course -- for instance, hard mode might entail an increased reliance on oblique symbolism, or dialogue delivered in increasingly thick Scottish accents.

[recursivelyenumerable]

NG+ would be especially great for romcoms I think.  Imagine if characters could retain their level of emotional maturity across viewings.  It'd be massive overkill for the early relationship problems of course, but watching them not only overcome but obliterate their difficulties would just add to the catharsis.

[Barry Egan]

Scully wakes up after mating with a giant blue cat: "What the hell am I doing?!" Audience explodes with laughter.  This was the highlight of the film.  As for the rest, see Distantmantra's post. 

[brawndolicious]

^That also happened when I watched it.  This was a great theater movie, especially if you're watching it with friends.

[Phoenix Dark]

Willco, if EB buys you a ticket will you see the movie and give it a film review?