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WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« on: January 06, 2010, 10:13:58 AM »
Anyone else sick and tired of hearing, "If global warming is real, why is it so cold?" :smug from everybody?
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 10:25:11 AM »
It's the coldest it's been in my neck of the woods in a good decade at least.

It's supposed to be down to 11 degrees Fahrenheit by Friday!!
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 10:27:10 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 10:57:58 AM »
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 11:38:10 AM »
"I didn't beat my wife today. So yeah, our marriage is pretty sweet." :lol

That one had me dying.  :lol
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 12:14:12 PM »
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2010, 12:19:35 PM »
That's all too common at other boards I frequent. They are likable guys, but they are... limited. What I don't quite understand is why people are so interested in rejecting it. Is it so that they won't have to feel bad about wasting resources and dirtying up the planet? Because there are better examples of that than global warming.

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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2010, 12:29:30 PM »
Cold? what is that?
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2010, 12:38:06 PM »
there's evidence of global warming? :smug
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2010, 12:54:57 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2010, 12:55:56 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2010, 12:57:58 PM »
Hey, whatever came of those scientists' emails that supposedly proved they were manipulating data to propagate the theory? I live with my head under the sand and forgot about it until just now
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 01:15:54 PM »
Hey, whatever came of those scientists' emails that supposedly proved they were manipulating data to propagate the theory? I live with my head under the sand and forgot about it until just now

Big letdown, compared to the hype.  There was a good amount of office politics, cattiness, and downright meanness, but there wasn't the evidence of research-related shenanigans that people were claiming.

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2010, 01:17:45 PM »
Sounds like liberal spin to me.
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2010, 04:43:26 PM »
If global warming is real why dont we have the data for it?  I think that is where all the issue comes from, that NASA scientist not revealing the data and claiming that GW is real and a huge threat aswell as that scientist trying to remove the middle ages global warming makes me sceptical.




Google "middle ages global warming" for more info on the medievil warm period.
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2010, 04:53:36 PM »
All I'll say on the subject is that I'm all for more efficient, environmentally friendly things. But I believe that we can't accurately* say for sure that Global Warming is guaranteed. After all, alot of these scientists were also screaming Global Cooling not so long ago.

*Due to there being soooo many variables in play affecting climate change.
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2010, 05:14:16 PM »
Global warming refers to the heat my dick is emitting when I have an erection.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2010, 08:35:28 PM »
I hope global warming doesn't mean having frigid winters in the midwest.  God damn, the winters been fucking cold (much colder than usual) the past two years.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2010, 08:47:13 PM »


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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2010, 08:55:56 PM »
I find it more interesting that 'wilder' fluctuations in temperature started happening since the industrial revolution. Time to be a scientist :tophat

Any way I find it ironic that 'hippies' called it 'global warming' then conservatives called it 'climate change' to make it sound less threatening and now because it is now known as 'climate change', 'hippies' can now say colder weather is a part of 'climate change'.
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2010, 10:08:06 PM »
No one tell Willco that the Global Warming movement gained it's greatest ground in 1988 during one of America's worst drought's in modern time.

 

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2010, 10:18:04 PM »
If NY sinks in 10 years, I'll believe Al Gore and start working to fix the problem through donations
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2010, 10:18:35 PM »
All I'll say on the subject is that I'm all for more efficient, environmentally friendly things. But I believe that we can't accurately* say for sure that Global Warming is guaranteed.

Who gives a shit? It is the only environmental issue that the public has responded to, and the thing that has made people more interested in hearing about other, very real issues such as the immediate threats of pollution. So it has a purpose, whether or not that particular theory can be proven.

More troubling is, knowing this, what kind of person argues against it, and attempts to disprove the only environmental issue that can plausibly inspire change? Which is where I start worrying about my friends on other boards. The skeptical stuff they throw into the ring has the rotten scent of corporate hushing.


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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2010, 10:21:55 PM »
I find it more interesting that 'wilder' fluctuations in temperature started happening since the industrial revolution. Time to be a scientist :tophat

Not sure if serious, but I'm pretty sure it's just because accurate temperature readings weren't available until then. Everything before that has been smoothed out slightly since it involves a bit more estimation.
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2010, 10:33:23 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2010, 01:53:23 AM »
All I'll say on the subject is that I'm all for more efficient, environmentally friendly things. But I believe that we can't accurately* say for sure that Global Warming is guaranteed.

Who gives a shit? It is the only environmental issue that the public has responded to, and the thing that has made people more interested in hearing about other, very real issues such as the immediate threats of pollution. So it has a purpose, whether or not that particular theory can be proven.

Willco said something like this in another thread*.  I don't agree.

90% of why can be lifted from this.  "Good ideas do not need lots of lies told about them in order to gain public" is the key sentence.

I'm sure plenty of people in the Bush administration felt it was okay to say whatever they needed to as long as it garnered public support for the Iraqi war.  In their minds, they were justified.  But lying in a democracy isn't the way to do things, and any kind of massive scientific conspiracy would risk not just the credibility of those involved, but of all researchers everywhere.  It'd be a horribly manipulative and dangerous thing to do.


That said, there is no massive conspiracy and the people arguing against it are either 1) directly benefiting from the continued creation of greenhouse gases, 2) ideologically opposed to the sort of collective action this kind of problem needs, and/or 3) prepared to commit suicide before ever admitting that Al Gore was right and they were wrong.

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*IIRC Willco was talking about public waste disposal systems in cities during the industrial revolution.  I've got no idea what the municipal political institutions were like at the time, so maybe that kinda thing would have been warranted back then.  Just not in a modern democracy.
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Any way I find it ironic that 'hippies' called it 'global warming' then conservatives called it 'climate change' to make it sound less threatening and now because it is now known as 'climate change', 'hippies' can now say colder weather is a part of 'climate change'.

I think the change has mostly come from scientists.  The UN working groups were always called the International Panel on Climate Change even back in the 80's.

They want to get across the idea that there would be lots of different regional effects, including changes in wind and precipitation patterns as well as temperature, rather than the uniform heating that "global warming" seems to imply.
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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2010, 02:00:46 AM »
So what you're saying, Mandark, is that Winnipeg will be getting colder!

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Re: WELL THAT ABOUT WRAPS IT UP FOR GLOBAL WARMING
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2010, 02:03:20 AM »
"Good ideas do not need lots of lies told about them in order to gain public" is the key sentence.

I don't really buy that. Everything needs a hook, and immediate issues are only seen as such after the fact. Global warming is the hook, and seeing as how it can't be readily proven or disproven, it is the best possible hook. Interest in that fuels a general interest in environmental issues, and if the trend continues and people become aware of tangible issues in their immediate surroundings, there isn't a whole lot that any negative revelations regarding global warming could do. People might feel betrayed by hippies, but that's about it. No one is going to rip into politicians for implementing stricter regulations on corporations, even if the basis for that was an at the time unproven theory.

As a footnote, there is one dude on that other forum who used to be a very big environmental issue and industrial damage denier (including the ever popular "sure wish global warming was real" sometime in mid-February), until of course a friend of a friend had a child born with defects, which was allegedly traced to mishaps in the plant nearby. Suddenly, it clicked that dumping shit into nature isn't the best course of action.

Then again, the nearest ski hill is a landfill, so hey. This nation is just weird sometimes.
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2010, 05:18:15 AM »
You guys do know that one volcano eruption releases the equivalent amount of CO2 of that of every car on Earth in the past decade, right?

I read this in an e-mail.

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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2010, 06:55:37 AM »
You guys do know that one volcano eruption releases the equivalent amount of CO2 of that of every car on Earth in the past decade, right?

I read this in an e-mail.

I know you're joking, but still...

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2006/02/volcanos-emit-more-co2.php
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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2010, 12:39:37 PM »
Anyone else sick and tired of hearing, "If global warming is real, why is it so cold?" :smug from everybody?
Yes, it's still not snowing in Florida, even though it's like 50 degrees here.
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