SHIREN KING OF RPG HAS ARRIVED

[magus]

THAT'S RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIGHT FOLKS! IT'S THE BEST RPG OF THE YEAR ON THE WORST CONSOLE OF THE FOREVER,i'm so damn excited for this we are talking about "classic PSX final fantasy" level of excitement! i already digressed once why i love the original so much so i'm going to quote myself

i've already name dropped this game on one of the thread but i feel like making a more detailed thread about it since i was thinking of giving it a replay so bear with me

i absolutely love this game,it's a game that i put behind only the king of classic (it's chrono trigger) so it make me quite sad to see this has remained in japan until a hero know as aeon genesis decided to fantranslate it (the guy also fan translated live-a-live and metal max which are other awesome game) the game got a ds re-release with a few addition and then proceeded to be slammed by most review site,ign gave it a 6.5 so by the god hand rule you know it's good stuff

so anyway what's this game about? this game is a roguelike,this means that
1) it take places in a dungeon,this dungeon is made out of rooms and corridors
2) these rooms are divided in a grid
3) add random items and monster
4) game is turn based,but the turn are very very small,each step you take or sword swing you do count as a turn,to someone watching you play it might even look like an action game but if you don't move nothing happens

at this point you might wonder "ok so why you swoon over this game so much?" well this game is challenging! really challenging! you see everytime you die you get sent back from the start without all your hard earned experience and items (a fact which seemed to shock most reviewer even though i seems to understand that demon's soul pull off something similiar and was praised a lot) this make for a game where you are seriously worried (heck dare to say scared!) about dying

oh and the game will try to kill you in every manner it can think off,a lot of enemies are strong enough to kill you in a few hits (though to counterbalance this they too can't sustain a lot of attack so it's a "kill or be killed" scenario) some are more subtle and inflict bad status,one enemy when killed turns into a ghost which goes in search of another monster,if he finds another monster he'll make that other monster stronger,another tries to ruin the item you are carrying around,another goes around killing EVERYTHING in sight,this might sounds like a good thing but everytime he kills something,he become stronger which doesn't bode well when he finaly finds you!

to counter balance this the game give you tons of item,every item is 100% sureproof,this is not final fantasy,i've tried to play this game with a normal rpg mentality and i hated it at first and one of the reasons it didn't click is that i wasn't using anything of the stuff you find around,all of these items in a way or another will help you,one item for example will push an enemy away allowing for a quick escape,other item are more aggresive giving you the chance of inflicting bad status on your enemy either depowering them or stopping them in their track,so ultimately the game becomes a matter of making a good use of the stuff you find around

the sequel is coming february on the wii,but you could play the real thing like right now by downloading the snes version paired with the fantranslation (or the DS version) the fantranslation can be found here
http://agtp.romhack.net/project.php?id=shiren

admitelly i don't know much about this sequel but
- it features a 3 man party
- different character get to equip different stuff
- new item and monsters
- there is some new system that let you power up your stuff although i don't know the details
- sissy mode for sissies,REAL MAN PICK NORMAL AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO HARD OPTION INSTEAD

so who's going to join me?

[demi]

this isnt mass effect

[archie4208]

Can't wait for it to hit Demonoid.

[Rman]

Isn't it getting a PSP release too?

[magus]

this isnt mass effect

did you read the op  

THAT'S RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIGHT FOLKS! IT'S THE BEST RPG OF THE YEAR ON THE WORST CONSOLE OF THE FOREVER

Isn't it getting a PSP release too?

yep,in fact the psp release will have more stuff but what are the chance's of this being a success and atlus bringing the PSP port in english?

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

I've been looking to get into the genre thanks to Fatal Labyrinth on the Sega Genesis collection being pretty fun.

Whats a good rogue-ish title to tip my toe into the water with?  How's Baroque, for instance?

[magus]

personaly i didn't like baroque and besides baroque was an action rpg which differs from most roguelike which are turn based
why not the original shiren? you can find it on DS or fantranslated on the snes
alternatively you could pick chocobo dungeon for the wii,it's a lot easier (LOT EASIER) compared to shiren but it features tons of classic final fantasy music and a job system

[Green Shinobi]

Sounds awesome.

Protip: "though" is the conjunction you're looking for at several points during the post you quoted. "Tough" is a synonym for resilient or strong.

[muckson]

oh thanks demi. 

*clear throat*  (let's try this again)

it's on the wii?  YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK YOU ATLUS FUCK YOU IN THE FACE SO HARD

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

When I re-Wii, I'll buy Gamefly this fatlus bullshit on the dl

[magus]

Japanese PSP version is out on the web tough i guess it requires the new firmware and as such it can't be played

[magus]

soooooo the day has come and the first review are appearing! i'm saddened tough,ign review amounts to "i died less so it's less crappy,7" i wanted a 6 and tons of whining 
i'm not sure anybody cares here about review but i guess at this point this reply needs something uh?
http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3177882 - 1up
http://wii.ign.com/articles/106/1068074p1.html - ign
http://www.gamepro.com/article/reviews/213933/shiren-the-wanderer/ - gamepro

[EmCeeGrammar]

Did anyone pick this up?  How are the standalone wiimote controls?

[Himu]

Think I'll stick with Shiren ds until I get a wii

[magus]

IT'S HERE IT'S HERE
currently played the first 2 dungeons and the game is still stuck in tutorial mode,will post more impressions later

[magus]

okay impressions so far
- blablabla why i'm in this town and not punching mamul's in the face?
- finaly found the event flag! off to the forest,those mamul will not punch themself! (i mean it's not like they have any hands to begin with...)
- the level up gingle is always awesome
- first dungeon is really easy,and it's full of tutoliarish message
- first boss goes down without much trouble,just a few healing herbs (which the first dungeon gave profusely) used
- second dungeon is still a yet tutorialish dungeon
- game goes like "we have 4 villain,go and beat them!"
- third dungeon is still somewhat easy
- second boss is more interessing

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he burrows himself in the ground and you have to escape him until he resurfaces,if he catches you while he's burrowed,he springs and sends you flying

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- fourth dungeon has evil soldiers (for the shiren inepts they are monster that when killed leave a ghost that powerup other monsters) but it still ends up pretty smooth
- third boss is pretty boring,doesn't do much besides shooting you,some healing staves and he's down
- i go to the fifth dungeon wondering when i will finaly get killed,the game spawns me in a room with 3 monster,i bash 2 of them but they escape,i scratch my head only to realize that these guy heals when they touch water,then get sammiched between two of them and die,good one shiren! it was time
- well alas in my second attempt i get more lucky and make a smarter use of items (remember kids using your stuff is how you play shiren) and proceed to finish it
- fourth boss lacks any sort of gimmick too,i had only a revival herb but it's enough to kill him before he kills me
- so it's off to the last of the four villains and sixth dungeon,the monster are starting to hit pretty hard but maybe it's because my level is quite high,maybe it's because i'm well equipped,the game still doesn't feel much hard,the game is starting to pull off tanks (a dangerous monster that always deals 20 damage each hit,consider that shiren has around 60 hp)
- fifth boss again almost kills me

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he gets to pull off a skills that blows me away and drops my weapon but by the time he reaches me,i've already re-equipped everything

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but is defeated too
- of course there are spoilerish development
- there is a sixth boss

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actualy two bosses,if you get caught between them they'll do a team attack where they crush you,very cool! shiren escapes in one direction and his companion escape in the other and the two bosses eventualy get distracted while trying to focus on different character

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a staff of healing helps keeping shiren alive while he whoops everyone
- also two very boring short dungeon
- and it's off to the seventh (ninth?) dungeon
- monsters are starting to hit really hard,i ends up in a monster house (it's a room full of monsters,it's the way of the game to say "fuck you!") i want to retreat but one of the monster blocked the passage by teleporting behind shiren,i'm forced to retreat using an escape scroll

- other consideration
- i played more or less for 3 hours
- so far it's been easy which disappoints me a little but i'm hoping for the best,i know this happened only because this was the only way to get at least a 7 with the likes of ign and similiar 
- shiren can dual wield which gives him two attack in a row,why you would give up an extra attack just so you can soak some extra damage is beyond me
- having companions is really helpfull and make things easier
- keeping your level also makes things easier
- there have been tons of new monsters but so far with the exception of the fish of the fifth dungeon,they all either act like older shiren monster or simply don't do anything interessing (there is a bee which take a step back everytime it attacks)

[demi]

sounds like a waste of time. will avoid

[magus]

it's your loss   

[EmCeeGrammar]

People here generally don't care about wii games unless they are first party legacy titles.

See- little kings story

[ToxicAdam]

Shiren, that's the game where ninthings finally discovered rogue-likes?

[EmCeeGrammar]

Shiren, that's the game where ninthings finally discovered rogue-likes?

That would be pokemon mystery dungeon.

[magus]

so what was the last update... ah yes
- seventh dungeon goes off in one try
- seventh boss

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actualy an entire army of seven samurai,i pull off an attack which weakens all of them then proceed to pick them off singulary,none of them has a lot of hp so they fall pretty quickly but before i can kill them all they gangbang on shiren and he dies,luckily he resurrects thank to a resurrect herb and he proceeds to mop the rest away

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- there is a very short eight dungeon which quickly get cleared
- ninth dungeon features some familiar faces like death reapers (act twice,hits fairy hard) gazes (they can hypnotize you forcing you to waste a turn,not as bad as they were in the original since you have a partner) and mecharoids (goes around planting traps) i finish it off but...
- i get my ass handed by the eigth boss

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basicaly you fight two invincible character and a bunch of henchmans,your job is to push some button but well i tought you could defeat the bosses so i went in with the idea to actual fight,it didn't end well

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- since i'm playing on normal (like real man should do) i lose all my stuff
- actualy i discover that being without weapons sucks pretty hard,while in the original you could afford to traverse the first floors just by punching stuff,here having a weapon makes a huge difference
- i spent a while replaying older dungeons,trying to get some stuff back
- i end up dying a lot while trying to recover,i end up wasting a lot of time 
- in the end i get some nice weapons and some nice shield,with my new equipment i finaly defeat the eight boss
- there is some story exposition
- and then the tenth dungeon,which is again pretty short and features a small gimmick

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you have to find certain items or you can't proceed

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- ninth boss

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a huge jar which spits enemy out,sadly it dies before his pals could do anything

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- the eleventh dungeon features a new enemy which acts like a weaker version of dragons,i never in actual danger but these guys still give me some worries
- tenth boss almost scares me off when he confuses me but i'm choke full of healing items and a good chunk of them also heal confusion so he ends up dead quickly
- total playtime is around 8 hours but if i didn't have to rebuild my equipment when i failed the ninth boss i guess i would have taken around 7 (maybe even 6) to reach where i am at the moment
- i forgot to say in my last post... so far no dungeon has gone deeper than 10 floor with some (the one i call shorts) being only 3 floor!

[Bebpo]

I can't tell if that sounds good or not

[magus]

what bit about it?
currently my problem are
1) feels too easy,the monster do hit hard and it's not like i haven't been in danger but it lacks that "you could be screwed anytime like right now!" feeling that the older shiren had,and man controlling two characters make a world of difference,you pull off twice the attack and if one of your character is hurt you can switch to the other and distract the monster around while the other is resting.
I still can tally only two death that happened while i was equipped and fully geared (seriously you really need some weapons or you barely do any damage,also healing herbs never hurts) still in the last dungeon there was a big mine trap,you step on one of those and *BAM* you are instantly reduced to 1 hp! so again as i was saying i'm giving the game time to pull off his better stuff,it's not like i'm not enjoying the game even this way
2) shorter dungeon mean less "can't afford to die" moments,sure getting your gear back is a pain but it's not terrible,if you have saved money you can even buy back most of the item you need
3) tons of new monsters but a lot of them are just vanilla and only a few of thems seems to be pulling off new tricks,some that caught my interess

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this box that basicaly takes your ability to read scrolls away and then hides in the dungeon,if you find him again and kill it you regain the ability to read scrolls,another is a fish that escapes to the nearest body of water when hurt badly,if he touches water he gets back to full health,the last dungeon also had a daruma who could possess your character and apparently a possesed character is treated as an enemy by the AI but it seems quite a dumb status effect since you can just take the control away from the AI and solve the problem like that

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for the rest it's the same game i love,if it makes for any sort of comparison (tough i guess not) i like it more than torneko the last journey but not as much as the original

[Joe Molotov]

I keep seeing this thread and thinking "STEPHEN KING RPG". I think The Dark Tower has got some potential in that regard. The Stand could be pretty sweet too.

[magus]

People here generally don't care about wii games unless they are first party legacy titles.

See- little kings story

The best unknown game of 2009!

Little Kings Story

so there is some good in the world  :'(
anyway i beated the next dungeon and the next boss but again i died a few times and lost some time re-acquiring equipment,one things that annoy me to no end is that you have an item that let you escape from the dungeon but the item in question doesn't work if you are fighting a boss,it doesn't make any sense! if you want to escape it's because you are getting your ass kicked and if you are getting your ass kicked chance are it's because of a boss,anyway i think i finaly reached a dungeon that is starting to be scary,it features skull mages (nasty status effect,can deal 20 damage ignoring defense) hell reaper (move twice,attack twice) and evil soldier (remember they are the guys who leave a ghost when killed) i reached the boss but i didn't have any sort of healing item so i got my ass kicked,now i have to get all my shit again,i'm starting to wonder if picking normal was a bad choice 

[magus]

beating the last boss was the biggest pain in the ass ever,i made several run to the dungeon before so i could level up a bit and while there also snatch some really needed healing items (bosses are immune to all your tricks so it becomes a matter to overpower them) this boss in particular

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has the ability to swallow one of your character,if you kill it while one of character is still inside,your other character dies and it's game over so i couldn't attack him for several round for fear of killing it,it also summoned annoying vines who would bash you for around 10 damage

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anyway i go into the next dungeon (13th) and it's the usual 10 floor affair,i run into the next boss (12th) but it's surprisly easy and he falls only after 3 rounds of attack,there is lot of story exposition and it's off to the next dungeon (14th) which is again another 10 floo... wait,it goes beyond... well okay it will be over in 15 floo... no wait's deeper, IT'S THE FIRST BIG DUNGEON,IT FINALY ARRIVED,i reach floor 20 but sadly i die the most classic of shiren cheap death,a mushroom inflict me with the sleep status and all the other monster proceed to smack me around before i'm able to do anything,this is the kind of stuff i'm accustomed too!
i'm also starting to understand how the new dragon orb system works,basicaly you put an equipment inside the orb,cast a spell (which you have to find which is what makes these things unabusable) and then you just wait for the thing to cook over,when you break it your weapon will gain several +1,a blessing or new powers

[Bebpo]

that really doesn't sound fun

I prefer Demon Souls' take on the rogue genre.  You lose your CURRENCY/xp but keep your equip and then if you find where you died you get the currency/xp back.  Saves time.

[magus]

well it's my fault for picking normal instead of easy,in the original your equipment barely mattered so i tought "sure,take all my item away,i don't see the problem" but here it's impossible to get things done unless you are equipped

i'm almost tempted to restart the game on easy,it's getting that frustating

[Bebpo]

Yeah, I bought the game for $9 last time I was in Japan but haven't played.  Been reading your impressions to get a feel for it and I think if I ever get to it I'll play on easy since you keep your equip.

[magus]

so i restarted the game on easy and after 5 hours i was back to where i was with my normal save (for comparison my normal save clocked 17:30 hours,it also had character who were 8 level higher!) i think i made the right choice because bosses are getting more ridiculous (the last one had double attack AND minions) and it would be impossible to defeat without a proper equipment something that would NEVER happen on normal,uh anyway

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i now control 3 characters,this mean more damage but if one of them dies it's game over for everybody,also the first page of my inventory is all spent in equipment

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i'm also kinda getting worried because 1) there haven't been new kind of monsters for quite a while,it doesn't make sense because they still have tons of other kind from previous shiren so who knows 2) the 25 floor dungeon was a fluke and dungeon are back to be 10 floor affairs
 

[magus]

fuck no! even with the game like this it's still leagues better than pokemon mysterious dungeon
in fact if there is something wrong with this one is that it uses the same structure of mini dungeon found in pokemon mysterious dungeon!
anyway i think i'm getting near the end because the game has started to bring out the heavy guns like ark dragon (can deal 40 damage everywhere from the room) and cranky tank (shot outs explosive cannon ball that deal 40 damage,move twice,has the nasty tendency to blow up enemy leveling up in the process) the last few bosses were easier than i would have tought

[magus]

i finished the game with the game clock around 10 hours and my character around the level 45 mark,final dungeon was around 10 floor,you would think that after throwing around the big hitters like the dragon and the tank on the dungeon's before they would do the same on the final one but nope,still it features tons of rank 3 hard hitting monster so it's no cakewalk either,anyway i said once and i'll say it again,the game is unplayable on normal,the beatiful of the original shiren was that you could outskill the game,use your staves and scroll to dodge monster,knowing how different kind of monster could screw you over... here you still have a vast arsenal of trick but ultimately you are forced to confront bosses and they are immune to all those stuff so you can't do anything else besides punching them to death,the only way to punch them to death? by having a good sword and a good shield (or two good swords) problem is those give you a pretty big advantage over normal monster too so while it's not like the monster are pushover ultimately you end up killing everything without ever feeling in danger once (the fact that even the final dungeon is only 10 floor longs also help killing off any sense of danger) what if you don't have any good equipment? well you are fucked,simple and straight because everything will take barely any damage while you punch them with your bare hands and that's what's going to happen if you are going to play normal, because you will die...

anyway completing the game has unlocked the post dungeon stuff so far i have

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- a special dungeon where you start at level 1 that features rank 3 monster,the idea is to never get attacked by anything,most item here are found within the idea of letting you evade monster
- another special dungeon where you start at level 1 but you can bring item from outside... i'm not sure what make this one special
- the bufu dungeon,this is a special dungeon found in every shiren game where you are equipped with a special weapon called the bufu cleaver,if you defeat a enemy with the bufu cleaver there is a chance that enemy is going to drop a piece of meat,if you eat that piece of meat you'll turn into that monster and gain his special ability so for example if you turn into the mushroom enemy,you can scatter spore which cause negative status effect,and if you turn into a evil soldier,when you die,you'll turn into a ghost who can possess other monster
- there is also a tournament,this annoy me so much,i finaly tought i was free from fighting boss and such and what they do? they throw me a boss rush of sort!  the first boss is a rehash of an older boss fight with higher stat ( ) i haven't defeated him because man he hits hard!
- last i forgot to mention  in the game,whenever you want you can access a special dungeon called the portal where you start at level 1 with no item but you get to keep what you find if you are able to escape to safety,the further you go with the game,the bigger the portal become,having finished the game the portal is now 99 floor

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[magus]

i've progressed a bit in the tournament side quest,this is going to be spoilerish

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as i said the first fight was a rehash of an older boss fight which disappointed me,but after that you get to fight ninja's,insults like "you guys fly on a ship,you are just a bunch of pirates" and "we'll kill you so hard your ancestor will cry" fly around,they blind you,teleport around and there are around 5 of them but they fall pretty quickly,after that you fight their leader but it's pretty much the same fight only instead of 5 weak ninja there is just a decently strong one,then you fight a masked super mamel (mamel are the shiren equivalent of the classic dragon quest slime) called "mobile mamel zz" the guy can put you to sleep (the worst status effect in shiren since you can't do anything at all while sleeping) by telling you lame jokes (i heard there is a teahouse on the moon but i don't like the place,there is no atmosphere) and can shot laser for 50 damage (quite a big number when you think shiren has only around 200 hp) he falls eventualy and it's revealed that he's a rabbit from the moon,weird! after that you get to have one final fight against MASTER X who is clearly one of your party member but only with a mask (he also declare that having a mask show how strong he is) but here is where it gets weird,after you defeat him it is revealed that the tournament was a ruse,you see at a certain point in the plot you go to the yomi,the japanese equivalent of hell,apparently taking this trip has free all the baddies from the previous shiren games and they have banded together to kill you,as such you have one pretty badass showdown where you fight the tainted insect (the original shiren final boss) kuras (shiren GB 2 final boss) and another guy i don't known (tough i can only assume he's the final boss of shiren 2 for n64) all at once! i'm really surprised they saved such a fight for the optional stuff because it's definitely good stuff,the boss i don't known is pretty weird,he controls 4 hand and spins itself (you see he has 4 faces) depending what face is showing the hand gets a different color (and i guess different skills) he also teleports around and shots laser! kuras gets to hit really hard and can also heal for 100 damage (with my current sword i deal around 50 damage per attack...) i wasn't even able to touch the tainted insect tough if it's like the original there is nothing special about him other than that he hits really hard

i think i need a training montage right now

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[magus]

mmm i guess the good questions would be
1) how big of a final fantasy fan you are?
2) is the fact that this game is published by atlus and therefore probably avaiable in limited copy a problem?
3) is the fact that chocobo dungeon is a old game and therefore you can probably but it for less on the second hand market an advantage
4) do you like job systems?

[magus]

well then go with shiren as it will kick your ass more and have more surprise in it,unless you literaly go bonker for job system
the original shiren is still better than both tough and ehy if you really want to play on a coumfy couch you just need a snes emulator

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I don't particularly care about brand or cost to be honest. Better gameplay is my preference.

Thanks for answering my question magus!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightmare_of_Druaga:_Fushigino_Dungeon

[magus]

heck no!
no random dungeon,zero variety of enemies (you got the black knight,the blue knight,the red knight) and to top it off scamco removed all the hints to make the hidden chest appears (so either you play with the faq or the game will randomly gift you with stuff)

[demi]

I'd just like to present that Magus appreciates Miles Edgeworth DS. Court is in session

[magus]

[demi]

therefore he's dumb and shiren sucks

buy pokemon

[Howard Alan Treesong]

[magus]

therefore he's dumb and shiren sucks

buy pokemon

uh anyway... i brought a weapon up to awesome level and proceeded to complete the tournament sidequest,apparently after the first tournament there is a SECOND tournament,i wonder what happens when you finish the second one,also two other dungeons got unlocked

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one features only floor with dragon orbs,the new system that let you power up your stuff making this the ideal spot for cooking awesome piece of equipment,the other is a 999 floor dungeon which you can bet that if i am ever going to explore it's going to be the last thing i do

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apparently there is another dungeon hidden in town but i yet have to see it
to my surprise the game is employing new family of monsters which make me wonder "if you had more kind of monster there why you didn't use them in the main story instead of saving them for the post story stuff?" these include firepuff's (cute mini dragon who can do fixed damage by breathing fire) and moles (a new monster to the series that dodge everytime you throw something at him)

[magus]

i cleared the second tournament (which involved fightin tons of really strong monster... to my surprise a lot of oldie like radishes and inferno appear here,WHY YOU DIDN'T USE THESE IN THE NORMAL GAME GRAAAAA) got some of what i believe to be the best gear in the game and unlocked another new dungeon "the hidden path"

[magus]

you know i wish to reiterate that while i like the game,i'm really disappointed in it,they removed everything that made the original shiren so damn awesome and replaced it either with nothing (if you are playing on easy) or busywork (if you are playing on normal) in the end while i say this game is better than chocobo dungeon for the simple reason that there are more surprise and dangers and stuff to do,it's hard for me to say that is that much better,both game suffer from the same problem,you never feel into any sort of danger because monster never hit as hard as they should and while you have a nice selection of trick in shiren,you have no reason to use them,assuming you bring up a good sword and a good shield,if you are a final fantasy fan,chances are that having a remake of clash on the big bridge is more important than having more kind of traps (or maybe you are just cuckoo for job systems)

if you want to give shiren a chance,please just get the original,it's that much better
wii ruins yet another franchise?

[magus]

ok so i tried the "void of the strong" dungeon and apparently even with a 70 power shield (for comparison the strongest unmodified shield you can find on the main game is a 15 power shield) the stronger monster there deal around 100 damage (out of 240 hp i have) one thing that pissed me off is that the game doesn't bring the heavy gun until you are quite deep in the dungeon,it's like imagine playing disgaea and traversing the item world and the enemies have a 2000 level jump between floor 1-40 and 41-50,that's what it was like

anyway i assume that means that either
a) i'm going to try another dungeon
b) i'm going to power up my shield up to the max level of 140
c) i'm going to say "fuck this"

sadly it's probably going to be b :/

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Well I'll be damned...

[magus]

so after yet another failed try to the void of the strong dungeon (tough this time i was smarter and decided to retreat... i entered i was level 55,i went out at level 67) i decided to try the bufu dungeon,to my surprise the bufu dungeon this time is deeper than other shiren game,you see the bufu dungeon is one of the special dungeon that appear in every shiren game,in case you don't know

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in the bufu dungeon,you get a special weapon that turns monster into meats,if you eat a meat of a monster,you'll gain his special skill (or special skills related to him) so i ended up in a monster house (a place full of baddies) and since i was pretty sure that i was going to get killed,i decided to turn into an evil soldier,evil soldier are special in the fact that when they die,they get resurrected as a ghost and then the ghost can possess other monster,in the case of a ghost monster the monster that get possesed just get stronger but in your case you take control of the monster you decide to possess,anyway as i predicted i get killed but the room is full of other evil soldiers and ehy i can take control of them! basicaly i get killed 3-4 times in a row while i keep jumping from one evil soldier to the other,then i finaly find a hole between all the monster,you see one of the monster that was chasing me has the ability to move 2 times in a turn and can also hide in the walls,i take possess of that monster and then quickly escape inside a wall,after that i kill everybody inside (as you can't get attacked while inside a wall) and then proceed to re-emerge two level higher before the whole ordeal!

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[EmCeeGrammar]

Nearly half of all posts in this thread by one poster.
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[magus]

well it's not my fault if i'm the only one giving a damn here

[EmCeeGrammar]

People here generally don't care about wii games unless they are first party legacy titles.

See- little kings story

look I quoted myself

[magus]

shiren 4 is out and nobody will care enough to give me impression
after being disappointed by this i would really need those  :'(

[magus]

ok so you guys might have been wondering
"what happened to that guy" (okay chances are the toughts are more similiar to "finaly he stopped posting in that thread" but ehy!)

and here's the thing,i grinded and then i grinded again and while i didn't grind as much as your average N1 game i certainly did grind more than i would do in your average rpg,and then i tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and tried

one time (one? at least three) i destroy my equipment because a monster order me to do so
one time (well actualy i lost count) i end up in a monster house and i get surronded by monster who then proceed to rape me to death
one time (actualy two) one of the monster put me in berserk forcing me to fight everything in sight
one time a monster one-hit me thanks to a critical hit (thanks to their new awesome cosmic affinity system now instead of only a select kind of monster,now every red monster can kill you in one hit! isn't it awesome?)
one time i got turned into an undead monster,then one monster proceed to stop me from taking any sort of action by inflicting the sleep status (which wouldn't have happened if i wasn't a monster since i have an equipment that make me immune to sleep and that doesn't work while you are a monster) then the other monster proceeded to heal me to death,that's right i got healed to death

i don't want anything to do with this bonus dungeon anymore,the 1000 floor one looks ultra boring (not only you get to bring your toy and your levels but the first 100 floor are full of weak monsters) and apparently there is only one other extra dungeon for me to unlock (which apparently plays like the fay final puzzle,that's it,no levels,no item from outside,big riceball only,final destination) but to do so i have to find 99 magic stones,these stones appear randomly and up until now i have found around 60,i'm not going to force myself to find the remaining 39,just so that i can maybeeee get to the good stuff so i guess that means i'm done with the game

that's right bore! the nightmare has ended,this thread can finaly fade into obscurity,if you really want to pick a roguelike,just pick the original shiren,this one isn't bad but it's the FF8 to shiren FF7,as i said before this one has more stuff than chocobo dungeon but ultimately quality speaking they don't differ too much

i hope at least someone enjoyed reading all of this 

[Bebpo]

It's an interesting read