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Brazil is such a badass movie.
« on: December 17, 2006, 06:33:14 PM »
Probably my favorite movie that isnt called Star Wars.




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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 06:45:37 PM »
Star Wars sucks but Brazil rocks and you still smoke pole
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 06:51:53 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2006, 07:03:22 PM »
Star Wars sucks but Brazil rocks and you still smoke pole

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 07:05:27 PM »
i too am but a student on the golden path to futamihood
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 07:15:32 PM »
Star Wars sucks but Brazil rocks and you still smoke pole

Yes, yes, and yes.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 07:17:46 PM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.

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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2006, 07:18:19 PM »
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How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.

This thread was so right.  UNTIL NOW.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2006, 07:19:04 PM »
Nevermind, everyone here is gay, thats why yall hate Star Wars.

Or is it cool to Hate Star Wars these days. I always get mixed up when it comes to these things.
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2006, 07:20:14 PM »
I hate Star Wars because I have discriminating tastes.  Not because I'm gay.  That's totally unrelated.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2006, 07:22:11 PM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.

Well, I don't hate Star Wars, but its nowhere as good as rabid fanboys/Kevin Smith like to imagine it is.

Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2006, 07:25:44 PM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.


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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2006, 07:30:26 PM »
Yeah, but there are far too many flaws with the OT trilogy, imo, to make it a "great" series.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2006, 07:30:53 PM »
Yeah, but there are far too many flaws with the OT trilogy, imo, to make it a "great" series.

Ok, I'll play along. Please do tell me what they are. And what would you consider a "great" series?

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2006, 07:35:27 PM »
I'd consider Chan-wook Park's Vengeance Trilogy and Kurosawa's Sanjuro films to be parts of a great series, that's for sure. Not Star Wars. Hokey acting, shitty effects, ewoks, and an (at times) contrived storyline hold it back from the true greatness not far out of reach. ;)
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2006, 07:38:37 PM »
I'd consider Chan-wook Park's Vengeance Trilogy and Kurosawa's Sanjuro films to be parts of a great series, that's for sure. Not Star Wars. Hokey acting, shitty effects, ewoks, and an (at times) contrived storyline hold it back from the true greatness not far out of reach. ;)

There is nothing contrived about the story. The acting is good, nothing Hokey about it.

And Shitty effects?? I have the original Laser Disc rips with no special stuff added and the movie is so much better than half the shit that gets released these days. Ewoks are probably a low point, but thats like bringing down Indiana Jones for not liking Short Round.


I know its cool to hate things that are popular, espically GAF and company, but the original trilogy was and still is an amazing movies that creates such a unique universe so well.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2006, 07:41:01 PM »
If I were following the GAF mentality, I'd hate things like Brazil, which I hold to be one of the greatest films ever made. I just consider the OT to be spruced-up children's films with a bit of an edge.
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2006, 07:43:26 PM »
If I were following the GAF mentality, I'd hate things like Brazil, which I hold to be one of the greatest films ever made. I just consider the OT to be spruced-up children's films with a bit of an edge.

That's what make the movie genius kids and adults can enjoy them.

I actually think GAF likes Brazil.

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2006, 07:44:35 PM »
Well, if I had it my way, everyone would like Brazil. 8)
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2006, 07:53:34 PM »
Oh, and for the stoopid: that samurai the main character fights in the film was a total reference to the Kurosawa samurai classics of the sixties. Terry Gilliam is awesome. 8)
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2006, 08:06:39 PM »
Nothing about star wars was especially epic, really.
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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2006, 08:11:05 PM »
So, do they, like, teach you to love Star Wars in this particular film school, FoC?
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« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2006, 12:57:20 AM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.

I think Lucas has always overstated the influence of Campbell's work.  He noticed his story fit the form and started talking Campbell up, possibly to butter up critics.  If you read the early concepts and scripts for Star Wars (note: Only referring to the original movie because that's the most Campbellian of them), you'll see that most of the Campbellian bits are things he cribbed from Kurosawa flicks.  He wasn't DIRECTLY influenced by Campbell - he told a good story, and noticed that classically good stories have similar forms.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2006, 01:01:43 AM »
True, but he uses some of the cookie cutter characters from the book "hero with a thousand faces"


Also, does anyone like Time Bandits?

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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2006, 01:07:27 AM »
I'd consider Chan-wook Park's Vengeance Trilogy and Kurosawa's Sanjuro films to be parts of a great series, that's for sure. Not Star Wars. Hokey acting, shitty effects, ewoks, and an (at times) contrived storyline hold it back from the true greatness not far out of reach. ;)

Shitty effects? That's a pretty dumb thing to say, especially considering you're 17 years old and weren't even a thought in your father's second brain when the movie came out. This is like saying the effects in Clash of the Titans sucked. My god.

Star Wars revolutionalized the industry in many ways. It's a brilliant work. Is it the greatest thing of all time? Hell no. But for what it is, Star Wars is amazing. You can sit in your computer chair and muse about your understanding of the Hero with a Thousand Faces, but at the end of the day you're not on to anything that wasn't known already. Joseph Campbell called Lucas his greatest student, and they were good friends.
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2006, 01:11:20 AM »
True, but he uses some of the cookie cutter characters from the book "hero with a thousand faces"


Also, does anyone like Time Bandits?

I like Time Bandits, but I don't hold in as high esteem as the other fantasy movies of the 80s.  I haven't watched it in like two years, although I own it.  I should probably check it out again.

Even if they are flawed, I just love those 80s fantasy movies.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2006, 01:13:58 AM »
I agree with you on that White man. If I am every lucky enough to be in a position to make such a movie I want to use either puppets or a combination of real and digital effects.

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2006, 01:17:07 AM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.

I think Lucas has always overstated the influence of Campbell's work.  He noticed his story fit the form and started talking Campbell up, possibly to butter up critics.  If you read the early concepts and scripts for Star Wars (note: Only referring to the original movie because that's the most Campbellian of them), you'll see that most of the Campbellian bits are things he cribbed from Kurosawa flicks.  He wasn't DIRECTLY influenced by Campbell - he told a good story, and noticed that classically good stories have similar forms.

Even during the earliest stages of creating Star Wars he actually took his drafts to Cambell, asking him in essense "is this right?".

Am I the only person who watched the Star Wars documentaries? Damn :-\
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2006, 01:40:57 AM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.

I think Lucas has always overstated the influence of Campbell's work.  He noticed his story fit the form and started talking Campbell up, possibly to butter up critics.  If you read the early concepts and scripts for Star Wars (note: Only referring to the original movie because that's the most Campbellian of them), you'll see that most of the Campbellian bits are things he cribbed from Kurosawa flicks.  He wasn't DIRECTLY influenced by Campbell - he told a good story, and noticed that classically good stories have similar forms.

Even during the earliest stages of creating Star Wars he actually took his drafts to Cambell, asking him in essense "is this right?".

Am I the only person who watched the Star Wars documentaries? Damn :-\

Did he say this or does he have it documented somehow?  Because he's also gone on record saying some of the unused bits from THX1138 were recycled for Star Wars, which would shade doubt on his claims that Star Wars is a Campbellian masterpiece.  If he knew the archetypes and templates so well, why did he resort to using nearly 10 year old material in the movie rather than making new stuff?
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2006, 01:44:22 AM »
So, do they, like, teach you to love Star Wars in this particular film school, FoC?

You realize alot of people at my school hate star wars. Of course they are going nowhere real fast.

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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2006, 02:02:03 AM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.

I think Lucas has always overstated the influence of Campbell's work.  He noticed his story fit the form and started talking Campbell up, possibly to butter up critics.  If you read the early concepts and scripts for Star Wars (note: Only referring to the original movie because that's the most Campbellian of them), you'll see that most of the Campbellian bits are things he cribbed from Kurosawa flicks.  He wasn't DIRECTLY influenced by Campbell - he told a good story, and noticed that classically good stories have similar forms.

Even during the earliest stages of creating Star Wars he actually took his drafts to Cambell, asking him in essense "is this right?".

Am I the only person who watched the Star Wars documentaries? Damn :-\

Did he say this or does he have it documented somehow?  Because he's also gone on record saying some of the unused bits from THX1138 were recycled for Star Wars, which would shade doubt on his claims that Star Wars is a Campbellian masterpiece.  If he knew the archetypes and templates so well, why did he resort to using nearly 10 year old material in the movie rather than making new stuff?

It sounds too me like you're overcomplicating the subject far more than it needs to be. Has Lucas ever said Star Wars is a "Campbellian masterpiece"? What bits of THX were recycled? And if bits were, does it really matter at all? Lucas wanted to do a lot of things with his student film which he either couldn't get around to or simply wasn't able to do at the time. Why is it so hard to fathom that *gasp* he'd put some of these things in one of his latter movies?
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2006, 02:29:54 AM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.

I think Lucas has always overstated the influence of Campbell's work.  He noticed his story fit the form and started talking Campbell up, possibly to butter up critics.  If you read the early concepts and scripts for Star Wars (note: Only referring to the original movie because that's the most Campbellian of them), you'll see that most of the Campbellian bits are things he cribbed from Kurosawa flicks.  He wasn't DIRECTLY influenced by Campbell - he told a good story, and noticed that classically good stories have similar forms.

Even during the earliest stages of creating Star Wars he actually took his drafts to Cambell, asking him in essense "is this right?".

Am I the only person who watched the Star Wars documentaries? Damn :-\

Did he say this or does he have it documented somehow?  Because he's also gone on record saying some of the unused bits from THX1138 were recycled for Star Wars, which would shade doubt on his claims that Star Wars is a Campbellian masterpiece.  If he knew the archetypes and templates so well, why did he resort to using nearly 10 year old material in the movie rather than making new stuff?

It sounds too me like you're overcomplicating the subject far more than it needs to be. Has Lucas ever said Star Wars is a "Campbellian masterpiece"? What bits of THX were recycled? And if bits were, does it really matter at all? Lucas wanted to do a lot of things with his student film which he either couldn't get around to or simply wasn't able to do at the time. Why is it so hard to fathom that *gasp* he'd put some of these things in one of his latter movies?

I don't think so.  I think he began referring to Star Wars as Campbellian so he could get some crit cred, no overcomplication needed.

As for THX leftovers - the garbage pit.  That's all I remember offhand, and I don't have access to either movie, nor any reading material at the moment.

Fact is, Campbell had a tendency to very broadly define archetypes and any number of zillions of movies could claim to be influenced by his work.  Lucas just said his was influenced by Campbell during a period when Campbell was critically popular.
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Re: Brazil is such a badass movie.
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2006, 02:58:07 AM »
How do yall not like The Original Star Wars Trilogy. Thats like the holy grail of Epic movies.
Oh, and the Prequels brought the OT down just by association. ;)

You have a point there. But kevin smith fans aside, the movie trilogy is pretty damn good film adaption of the Hero's Journey. I read Joseph Cambell's "A Hero with a Thousand faces" its about hero stories all around the world and what they share in common. Lucas did an amazing job of creating a completely new universe with such epic characters and stories.

I think Lucas has always overstated the influence of Campbell's work.  He noticed his story fit the form and started talking Campbell up, possibly to butter up critics.  If you read the early concepts and scripts for Star Wars (note: Only referring to the original movie because that's the most Campbellian of them), you'll see that most of the Campbellian bits are things he cribbed from Kurosawa flicks.  He wasn't DIRECTLY influenced by Campbell - he told a good story, and noticed that classically good stories have similar forms.

Even during the earliest stages of creating Star Wars he actually took his drafts to Cambell, asking him in essense "is this right?".

Am I the only person who watched the Star Wars documentaries? Damn :-\

Did he say this or does he have it documented somehow?  Because he's also gone on record saying some of the unused bits from THX1138 were recycled for Star Wars, which would shade doubt on his claims that Star Wars is a Campbellian masterpiece.  If he knew the archetypes and templates so well, why did he resort to using nearly 10 year old material in the movie rather than making new stuff?

It sounds too me like you're overcomplicating the subject far more than it needs to be. Has Lucas ever said Star Wars is a "Campbellian masterpiece"? What bits of THX were recycled? And if bits were, does it really matter at all? Lucas wanted to do a lot of things with his student film which he either couldn't get around to or simply wasn't able to do at the time. Why is it so hard to fathom that *gasp* he'd put some of these things in one of his latter movies?

I don't think so.  I think he began referring to Star Wars as Campbellian so he could get some crit cred, no overcomplication needed.

As for THX leftovers - the garbage pit.  That's all I remember offhand, and I don't have access to either movie, nor any reading material at the moment.

Fact is, Campbell had a tendency to very broadly define archetypes and any number of zillions of movies could claim to be influenced by his work.  Lucas just said his was influenced by Campbell during a period when Campbell was critically popular.

The fact remains that Lucas went to Cambell and sincerely asked him how he could make his movie better; I fail to see how anyone could fault him for that, unless of course they have some anti-Lucas agenda. Cambell's work is in no way original considering he just diagnosed an already existing phenomena. And as I said, Cambell once declared Lucas to be his best student.

Garbage pit? Big whoop. That scene in no way relates to Cambell's book or hero theory/history, so why you bring it up is beyond me. The entire movie is not some Cambell rip off - the archetypes, from the wise old man to the young warrior, go even further than Cambell's work. Lucas' admittance of working with Cambell is in now way a sign of him "cashing in" on Cambell. Why would he have to do that when he'd already "cashed in" in every way imaginable with Star Wars lol?

Before Lucas created Star Wars he researched Cambell's work, as well as mythical stories from all countries; the basic look of Darth Vader is based off Japanese samauri, for instance. He wanted to create a more modern take on these ancient myths, and he succeeded in every way imaginable. Star Wars is popular in every corner of the world, in part because it taps into so many different cultures one way or another. And, as Cambell's (and other people's) work suggests, all myth can be connected by very basic ideas/events.

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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2006, 09:22:30 AM »
SIMMER DOWN PD! :lol



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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2006, 09:59:29 AM »
Terry Gilliams acting is insanely under-rated. In his very few roles on the TV series Monty Python's Flying Circus he almost always stole the scene.

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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2006, 10:57:20 AM »
Why do people try to nit pick and critisize Lucas for even the smallest bullshit reasons? My god
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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2006, 11:02:46 AM »
Why do people try to nit pick and critisize Lucas for even the smallest bullshit reasons? My god
Because he is successful.

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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2006, 02:38:11 PM »
Why do people try to nit pick and critisize Lucas for even the smallest bullshit reasons? My god

Who's nit picking? You and FoC keep challenging all of us to tell you what's wrong with the OT, so you're definitely asking for it.

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