:drudge ninjavideo has been infiltrated :drudge2

[drew]

AVOID THE SITE LIKE KOSMA AVOIDS PROPHYLACTICS
it seems hollywood finally got wise to them, at least half a dozen private media defender organizations are monitoring the site, as well as the networks themselves, including the BBC and time warner, visiting the site will practically make your computer crash if you have a program like peergaurdian installed

i blame the avatar dvdrip, which was put up on the site in the past day or so, the more money a movie makes the more money they want

[The Fake Shemp]

Good for Hollywood.

[Ecrofirt]

Good for Hollywood.

Not so good for me when this is the only way I catch up on missed TV shows!

[The Fake Shemp]

Most of the major networks have some kind of online presence, whether it is Hulu or their own proprietary platform, to watch television shows on.

[Madrun Badrun]

Unless you're Canadian.

I never used this site anyways.   

[The Fake Shemp]

Canadians aren't real people.

[Ecrofirt]

Most of the major networks have some kind of online presence, whether it is Hulu or their own proprietary platform, to watch television shows on.

While this is certainly true, it doesn't help when they only have the previous 5 or so episodes online. For instance, I didn't get into The Office until over Christmas break, and by the time I got to season 6, both Hulu.com and NBC.com didn't have episodes 1-5 online.

[Madrun Badrun]

That's right.  WE ARE GODS!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Malek is the God of Depression, Boogie of PuffyPants, and I of Social Ineptitude.

[close]

[The Fake Shemp]

While this is certainly true, it doesn't help when they only have the previous 5 or so episodes online. For instance, I didn't get into The Office until over Christmas break, and by the time I got to season 6, both Hulu.com and NBC.com didn't have episodes 1-5 online.

I don't think the fact that the major networks do not offer more than a month's worth of episodes for free is reason enough to feel entitled to download them illegally. That's my personal viewpoint on things, but that's a breaking point that I have with my generation in general.

I mean, if you missed over a month of programming, then I would simply wait for DVD/Blu-ray or the inevitable re-runs.

[Ecrofirt]

While this is certainly true, it doesn't help when they only have the previous 5 or so episodes online. For instance, I didn't get into The Office until over Christmas break, and by the time I got to season 6, both Hulu.com and NBC.com didn't have episodes 1-5 online.

I don't think the fact that the major networks do not offer more than a month's worth of episodes for free is reason enough to feel entitled to download them illegally. That's my personal viewpoint on things, but that's a breaking point that I have with my generation in general.

I mean, if you missed over a month of programming, then I would simply wait for DVD/Blu-ray or the inevitable re-runs.

At the same time, the illegal downloading of a few weeks of episodes helped me get into watching the current season on TV instead of via Netflix where NBC won't gain any money from me. Now they've got someone else watching their commercials!

[The Fake Shemp]

NBC Universal always makes money off of Netflix, so that is a totally legit way to watch stuff. I understand your point, but that simply isn't the case the vast majority of time. We live in a society that demands stuff now and believes they're entitled to free entertainment. I don't really judge, but this stuff does negatively impact the industry. People won't realize it until it's too late, though.

[ToxicAdam]

I always hate when an illegal media outlet gets busted and I never heard of it. It's like when a natural disaster happens in America and I see all the people looting and  I can't join them.


I mean to say, don't pirate and stay in school, kids.

[The Fake Shemp]

Old man angered that he is old and out of touch with society, news at eleven.

[ToxicAdam]

I just don't have the voracious appetite for television/movies/video games like I once did. Most of that is because of time constraints and the rest is because I would rather be on the internet reading.

[Diunx]

I'm downloading Fringe S2E15 and Planet Hulk from demonoid.

me

Hollywood

[Howard Alan Treesong]

"sites"
Usenet

                                                      "I get my movies and television ... from The Source."

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

"getting fucked all the time"
Usenet

                                  "Peers? Where we're going ... we don't need peers."

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[OptimoPeach]

Sauce on this?

While this is certainly true, it doesn't help when they only have the previous 5 or so episodes online. For instance, I didn't get into The Office until over Christmas break, and by the time I got to season 6, both Hulu.com and NBC.com didn't have episodes 1-5 online.

I don't think the fact that the major networks do not offer more than a month's worth of episodes for free is reason enough to feel entitled to download them illegally. That's my personal viewpoint on things, but that's a breaking point that I have with my generation in general.

I mean, if you missed over a month of programming, then I would simply wait for DVD/Blu-ray or the inevitable re-runs.

Ehh. I pay my cable bill, so I dunno why I should feel obligated to fork over extra cash to pay for something that I'm already paying for because networks are so obstinately averse to the idea of on-demand television. They could load that shit up with twice the commercials and make them un-skippable for all I care, but being forced to pay an arm and a leg for a TV series because I missed it when it aired three years ago is some bullshit. And what about the shows that don't get DVD releases?

NBC Universal always makes money off of Netflix, so that is a totally legit way to watch stuff.

Netflix is a step in the right direction, but it sure would be nice if their selection for streaming didn't suck hairy asshole

[Diunx]

I'm downloading Fringe S2E15 and Planet Hulk from demonoid.

me

Hollywood

demonoid users get fucked all the time.


Also, please don't steal Plant Hulk. I provided grunts for that film.

We don't get fucked over here, only euros and yanks since to get those letters from hbo and crap like that.

[The Fake Shemp]

Ehh. I pay my cable bill, so I dunno why I should feel obligated to fork over extra cash to pay for something that I'm already paying for because networks are so obstinately averse to the idea of on-demand television.

Your cable bill doesn't have anything to do with major network programming, that is until the Comcast/NBC merger goes through. And I know for a fact that several of the major networks now put up select shows on OnDemand.

If networks relied solely on cable and satellite revenue streams, then that'd be a different scenario, but almost all of the major networks still rely heavily on OTA to get their programming (and advertising) out to the public.

[drew]

Sauce on this?

every time i visit the site i got pages upon pages of blocked urls within minutes, and this is probably just coincidence but after i clicked on a bbc show i noticed bbc started to pop up, when i would x out of everything relate to that site it stopped, and every time id go back itd start right up again, what was really telling was the number of media watchdog groups that popped up all at once, if it was a torrent that was responsible then i could see maybe one or two but theres no way there are that many interested parties involving one creative project, it seems like they are being targeted and are trying to build a case against the site and the people that use it, and no joke peer gaurdian just crashed as i was typing this and it wont boot

[OptimoPeach]

Ehh. I pay my cable bill, so I dunno why I should feel obligated to fork over extra cash to pay for something that I'm already paying for because networks are so obstinately averse to the idea of on-demand television.

Your cable bill doesn't have anything to do with major network programming, that is until the Comcast/NBC merger goes through. And I know for a fact that several of the major networks now put up select shows on OnDemand.

If networks relied solely on cable and satellite revenue streams, then that'd be a different scenario, but almost all of the major networks still rely heavily on OTA to get their programming (and advertising) out to the public.

Oh well. I'm alright with being a filthy, amoral pirate until they come up with a system that doesn't require me to schedule my life around TV. I have no problem being bombarded by ads every eight minutes if that's what it takes to keep the major networks afloat, but it's practically a chore to keep up with serial television the way it is now. Plus, isn't this partly why we have a bazillion vapid, syndication-friendly procedurals shitting up the airwaves?

And the stuff offered by the major networks through on-demand services from Comcast and the like are no better than Hulu. "Hey, I heard Fringe is pretty sweet. Maybe I'll watch the pilot and see what it's all about! Woops, looks like they've only got episodes six, seven, and eight from the second season."

On the other hand, Showtime had S1-S3 of Dexter available for nearly a year. That's actually how I was introduced to the show -- and in turn the only reason I kept paying for Showtime when S4 rolled around.

I dunno. I don't think it's fair to blame it on society being impatient and demanding when it's totally feasible to improve shit in a way that would benefit everyone involved

[The Fake Shemp]

Yes, but you pay for Showtime. It's not the same.

This pretty much boils down to a sense of entitlement. I stopped caring a long time ago, but let's just call what it is. You feel you're entitled to download it because, dammit, you just do!

And I think when most major networks offer television programming for free online, usually for a month or so, and then quickly press them to DVD/Blu-ray, the excuse that you can't schedule your life around television is pretty lame.

[The Fake Shemp]

I dunno. I don't think it's fair to blame it on society being impatient and demanding when it's totally feasible to improve shit in a way that would benefit everyone involved

But it is improved! Not only can you get network programming, without commercial interruption and in high-definition through a variety of media distribution channels (retail, iTunes, Zune, etc.), but most networks offer their programming for free online with limited commercial interruptions for a month or so.

What you're asking is that they abandon their revenue model entirely, because by putting all the episodes for free online, viewers have absolutely no incentive to watch the show during its scheduled time slot - y'know, the place where the network actually makes money by booking advertisements. Hulu, more or less, is a total wash for the networks involved. They do it to promote their programming, and increase actual viewership.

Again, if it was a matter of a cable network, that'd be a horse of a different color. And as you demonstrated, many premium channels offer their content on OnDemand because they already have your money.

[Boogie]

That's right.  WE ARE GODS!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Malek is the God of Depression, Boogie of PuffyPants, and I of Social Ineptitude.

[close]

*Ahem*

I am both the God of puffy pants AND of social ineptitude.   Actually, I think you, Malek and I share those honours.

Edit: actually upon reflection, you two do trump me in that area by a fair amount.

[Mr. Gundam]

Ehh. I pay my cable bill, so I dunno why I should feel obligated to fork over extra cash to pay for something that I'm already paying for because networks are so obstinately averse to the idea of on-demand television.

Your cable bill doesn't have anything to do with major network programming, that is until the Comcast/NBC merger goes through. And I know for a fact that several of the major networks now put up select shows on OnDemand.

NBC and CBS have a bunch of their current shows up for free on OnDemand, at least they do with Comcast.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, all the majors have put up some programming on OnDemand to help expand viewership, but it's not as comprehensive as their online platforms. I imagine once the NBC/Comcast deal goes through, that'll change too.

Again, the problem is that the major networks rely heavily on advertising dollars, not cable subscribers or Internet clicks, and that requires people to tune in at scheduled times. Yeah, the major networks could abandon that model, but the result would be everything would have the budget of cable network programming.

[OptimoPeach]

And I think when most major networks offer television programming for free online, usually for a month or so, and then quickly press them to DVD/Blu-ray, the excuse that you can't schedule your life around television is pretty lame.

Well yeah, but who wants to pay for entire seasons of a series because they missed it when it was on 6 years ago? Yeah yeah, I know, my cable bill doesn't go into the networks' pockets, but fuck

What you're asking is that they abandon their revenue model entirely, because by putting all the episodes for free online, viewers have absolutely no incentive to watch the show during its scheduled time slot - y'know, the place where the network actually makes money by booking advertisements. Hulu, more or less, is a total wash for the networks involved. They do it to promote their programming, and increase actual viewership.

But if all we had was on-demand programming then couldn't advertising adapt accordingly? Like, instead of selling time slots they could just price the commercial spots according to the popularity of each show. Or something? lol

[OptimoPeach]

Sauce on this?

every time i visit the site i got pages upon pages of blocked urls within minutes, and this is probably just coincidence but after i clicked on a bbc show i noticed bbc started to pop up, when i would x out of everything relate to that site it stopped, and every time id go back itd start right up again, what was really telling was the number of media watchdog groups that popped up all at once, if it was a torrent that was responsible then i could see maybe one or two but theres no way there are that many interested parties involving one creative project, it seems like they are being targeted and are trying to build a case against the site and the people that use it, and no joke peer gaurdian just crashed as i was typing this and it wont boot

It also seems that they "updated" how the site streams now, or at least according to their front page announcement. They say that you no longer have to use their helper applet, and I thought that was what hid your IP or something in the first place.

Who knows. I guess I'll just steer clear for now

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Sauce on this?

every time i visit the site i got pages upon pages of blocked urls within minutes, and this is probably just coincidence but after i clicked on a bbc show i noticed bbc started to pop up, when i would x out of everything relate to that site it stopped, and every time id go back itd start right up again, what was really telling was the number of media watchdog groups that popped up all at once, if it was a torrent that was responsible then i could see maybe one or two but theres no way there are that many interested parties involving one creative project, it seems like they are being targeted and are trying to build a case against the site and the people that use it, and no joke peer gaurdian just crashed as i was typing this and it wont boot

It also seems that they "updated" how the site streams now, or at least according to their front page announcement. They say that you no longer have to use their helper applet, and I thought that was what hid your IP or something in the first place.

Who knows. I guess I'll just steer clear for now

All you filthy pirates just need to

[The Fake Shemp]

Well yeah, but who wants to pay for entire seasons of a series because they missed it when it was on 6 years ago? Yeah yeah, I know, my cable bill doesn't go into the networks' pockets, but fuck

So, what you're saying is that you think you are entitled to it because, dammit, you just are!

Just because you don't want to pay for the content doesn't mean you're entitled to it for free!

But if all we had was on-demand programming then couldn't advertising adapt accordingly? Like, instead of selling time slots they could just price the commercial spots according to the popularity of each show. Or something? lol

No. Two things put a major hole in your plan. One, people can fast forward past the advertisements. That right there is the killer. Second, is that advertising rates are based on ratings and demographics data. You just aren't going to be able to pull that kind of information from OnDemand users unless people voluntarily start forking over personal information.

It's just not feasible.

Like I said, with cable programming, it's totally different. But major networks are OTA and their audience does not pay for the content. And we live in a world where it is so incredibly easy to get network programming a variety of ways. The fact that you are unwilling to pay for it shows the difficulty that they have.

[drew]

so i just recovered the program and what do i see when it boots back up but 4 different watchdog groups getting instantly blocked, that means they had about ten minutes of free reign, fml

[OptimoPeach]

Well yeah, but who wants to pay for entire seasons of a series because they missed it when it was on 6 years ago? Yeah yeah, I know, my cable bill doesn't go into the networks' pockets, but fuck

So, what you're saying is that you think you are entitled to it because, dammit, you just are!

Just because you don't want to pay for the content doesn't mean you're entitled to it for free!

Pretty much lol. I just have a hard time rationalizing paying for something that would have already been paid for had I been aware of its existence at the time.

But if all we had was on-demand programming then couldn't advertising adapt accordingly? Like, instead of selling time slots they could just price the commercial spots according to the popularity of each show. Or something? lol

No. Two things put a major hole in your plan. One, people can fast forward past the advertisements. That right there is the killer.

Which could probably be easily prevented. If they can send fuckin pictures and sound through the air then I'm sure they could devise some technology to flag when commercials are running and disable fast-forwarding.

Second, is that advertising rates are based on ratings and demographics data. You just aren't going to be able to pull that kind of information from OnDemand users unless people voluntarily start forking over personal information.

Couldn't ratings be determined simply by averaging viewers-per-week or something? And then networks could just inform ad agencies of the demographic being targeted by each program.

I know, it'll probably never happen. I guess all I can hope for is that Netflix steps up their streaming game

[Phoenix Dark]

Billco defending The Man 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I dislike the angsty and/or smug attitude of serial piraters more than corporate greed.  So I'm in favor of this. 

[Raban]

I dislike the angsty and/or smug attitude of serial piraters more than corporate greed.  So I'm in favor of this. 

I'm not really proud of all the things I pirate, nor do I feel entitled to actually do it. I use pirating more as like a test drive for things. All the games I've ever pirated I've either bought previously or I eventually buy, or it's a game I can't find for a reasonable price second-hand.

Music I'm slightly less guilty about, simply because I lent out and borrowed CDs/cassettes to/from my friends way before I even heard of P2P, I'm just used to getting music this way. I still buy albums that I really enjoy, however, to support the artist.

Movies are similar to games. I own over 150 DVDs, I've bought my share of films. Pirating is like a free rental for me. And I never download screeners, and I've never used this ninjavideo website. If I want to see a movie that's in theatres, I watch it in theatres. Otherwise, I wait until it hits DVD.

EDIT: I have a lot of friends who think pirating is so awesome and that they're awesome for doing it, and they abuse the fuck out of it. I know a guy who's pirated over 300GBs of television. He's gotten like a handful of letters telling him to stop, but he's pretty smug about it. That's not OK in my book.

[T234]

I pirate whatever I want, whenever I want from Usenet. If I get a letter in the mail from the RIAA, I'll burn their offices to the ground for invading my privacy. What I get off of usenet is between me and my Usenet provider and NO ONE ELSE.


My privacy is more important to me than the breath that fills your lungs. The more people understand this, the better.


If I was a celebrity, I would have paparazzi found brutally murdered until they got the message.

[Fragamemnon]

USEnet isn't all that great.

by 'not all that great', you mean 'free of bullshit, connection saturating god of copywritten content' right?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I mean, its full of german and french content, its not easy to find stuff and half of the time, it can't find the right files on the server.

Most DE/FR rips have alternate English audio tracks. Usenet is God for new releases and 0-day television rips. Sure, it doesn't have the deep cuts of a dedicated music tracker or genre-specific website, but for fresh, hot conent - it's the only game in town.

"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?"

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