Author Topic: Nolan "mentoring" THE MAN OF STEEL; Goyer writing it. (Read 10250 times)

Powerslave · « **Reply #60 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:17:43 AM »

see I tried to prevent this shit from happening and now look what you guys done did gg

Mandark · « **Reply #61 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:53:39 AM »

You know what scene in BB was good? The one at the docks. It's filmed like a slasher movie, where Batman's the psychopath lurking off camera, and the thugs are a bunch of coeds who just smoked a joint.

It does a nifty job of showing what his approach is all about, and is way more effective than any of the fighting scenes.

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2010, 01:09:57 AM

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on February 10, 2010, 01:05:44 AM
I am not a Batman Begins hater really, but ... realistic?

Realistic in comparison to other superhero films. You only have to suspend your disbelief on a few relatively minor plot points to be able to accept the entire film.

Like the part where a billionaire dresses up like a bat to fight against a centuries-old secret society that has brought down some of the world's greatest cities, with the help of ninja training he received from that cult itself? Dude. You maybe want to reconsider that.

Green Shinobi · « **Reply #62 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:55:28 AM »

Like I said, a few relatively minor plot points. It all makes sense in context.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #63 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:58:22 AM »

1. We only had two good batman movies. wtf are you talking about?

2. The backstory didn't help you understand the main storyline any better at all. It was a masturbatory fluff piece on somebody already well-recognized. All the details in it were all general knowledge too.

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2010, 01:09:57 AM

What makes Batman good, in your opinion, and what Batman stories have done a good job emphasizing this?

A detective noir like setting where we get to see psychopaths with style. I don't really care why batman is the way he is. He is meant to be the stereotype every little boy wants to grows up to be and has paper thin explanations for why he does anything. Batman is a good franchise because it is completely psychologically unrealistic.

Ichirou · « **Reply #64 on:** February 10, 2010, 01:58:43 AM »

Quote from: Diunx on February 10, 2010, 01:03:19 AM

I think am nintenho has the worse taste in movies on this board.

Trying to have a discussion about anything with nintenho is bizarre because he uses some weird form of logic no other human does.

Green Shinobi · « **Reply #65 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:04:30 AM »

You want paper-thin characterization? I remember you bashing the fuck out of a recent film for that very reason.

cool breeze · « **Reply #66 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:05:18 AM »

Quote from: Synthesizer Patel on February 10, 2010, 01:05:44 AM

I am not a Batman Begins hater really, but ... realistic?

it's relative

Past Batman films had a car making a 90 degree turn using grapple hook.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #67 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:09:11 AM »

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2010, 02:04:30 AM

You want paper-thin characterization? I remember you bashing the fuck out of a recent film for that very reason.

batman begins had all of the same explanations for why bruce wayne adopted a vigilante cosplay lifestyle. I mean I've never seen a form of media that made that decision seem like a logical way to grieve over your dead parents. personally I see bruce wayne as a kid in an adult's body that is really only there so that you can see the even more insane and sick psychopaths that he fights.

Green Shinobi · « **Reply #68 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:12:21 AM »

Quote from: am nintenho on February 10, 2010, 02:09:11 AM

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 10, 2010, 02:04:30 AM
You want paper-thin characterization? I remember you bashing the fuck out of a recent film for that very reason.
batman begins had all of the same explanations for why bruce wayne adopted a vigilante cosplay lifestyle. I mean I've never seen a form of media that made that decision seem like a logical way to grieve over your dead parents. personally I see bruce wayne as a kid in an adult's body that is really only there so that you can see the even more insane and sick psychopaths that he fights.

Dude.

His city is overrun by mobsters and psychopaths. His parents were killed by one of these criminals. He wants to make a stand against them, but he can't do that as Bruce Wayne. As a man, he can be corrupted or destroyed, but as a symbol he can be something more. As a symbol, he can make a difference. He chooses something elemental, something terrifying, something that once terrified him. And it just so happens that he's a billionaire with ninja training.

It makes perfect sense.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #69 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:40:55 AM »

Except that bruce wayne is very logical and deceptive and shouldn't really believe that a psychopath would be scared by that. And yes, the villains and reporters regularly make fun of his costume and ideals every chance they get. Maybe some people are scared of what makes him so unorthodox as a human but there was never a real explanation for why he is the way he is. They basically never cared before and I'm all right with that since we're talking about a fucking comic book hero.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #70 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:47:50 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on February 10, 2010, 01:58:43 AM

Quote from: Diunx on February 10, 2010, 01:03:19 AM
I think am nintenho has the worse taste in movies on this board.

Trying to have a discussion about anything with nintenho is bizarre because he uses some weird form of logic no other human does.

dude: godfather is such an amazing film
am nintenho: actually it has no creative value considering the novel was so shitty
dude: wtf, you're distinguished mentally-challenged
am nintenho:

brawndolicious · « **Reply #71 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:51:20 AM »

I already said way too many times before that I think godfather is enjoyable and has great acting, directing, etc but shit writing. It's trashy, exploitative, and just not worth praising. A lot of good was done around it though.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #72 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:55:32 AM »

ManaByte · « **Reply #73 on:** February 10, 2010, 02:59:00 AM »

Donner's Superman is still the model to follow for superhero origin movies.

Batman Begins at least had Joe Chill kill his parents but the rest was a snooze.

Green Lantern has it right in the script.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #74 on:** February 10, 2010, 03:00:52 AM »

EB must be pretty f'in' bored if we're arguing about Batman Begins. Someone start a new thread, i got nothin'

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #75 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:36:05 AM »

I liked Batman Begins.

People dogged on Katie Holmes but Maggie Gyllenhaal was fucking terrible in TDK. At least they had the good sense to kill her.

Mandark · « **Reply #76 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:47:38 AM »

Quote from: T EXP on February 10, 2010, 07:36:05 AM

Maggie Gyllenhaal was fucking terrible in TDK.

No, you are terrible, in forums!

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #77 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:01:25 AM »

Katie Holmes was perfectly fine in BB, just the Tomkat nonsense reached peak insufferableness around the time BB was released and she got dinged for it.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #78 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:07:23 AM »

Quote from: Mamacint on February 10, 2010, 11:01:25 AM

Katie Holmes was perfectly fine in BB, just the Tomkat nonsense reached peak insufferableness around the time BB was released and she got dinged for it.

I didn't really like her that much because she always seemed to have this lopsided smirk on her face, even when she was talking about something really serious.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #79 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:07:58 AM »

that fucking smirk, all movie

Mupepe · « **Reply #80 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:09:56 AM »

Hey guys, Batman Begins is a terrible fucking movie.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #81 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:11:15 AM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 10, 2010, 11:09:56 AM

Hey guys, Batman Begins is a terrible fucking movie.

Nah.

Mupepe · « **Reply #82 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:14:52 AM »

yuh huh!

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #83 on:** February 10, 2010, 11:50:08 AM »

Nuh-uh!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #84 on:** February 10, 2010, 12:17:44 PM »

Holmes and Gylenhall were bad in both movies

Bale was bad in both movies

Himu · « **Reply #85 on:** February 10, 2010, 12:22:48 PM »

In one of my film classes, we were studying camera work and different accessories to help keep a stable camera, most notably a steadicam.

I said,"Haha, Christopher Nolan could use one of those."

"Who's that?"

Bildi · « **Reply #86 on:** February 10, 2010, 04:38:19 PM »

Speaking of which, whoever directed Bourne Supremacy 2 & 3 is in serious need of a fucking tripod.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #87 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:19:15 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on February 10, 2010, 11:09:56 AM

Hey guys, Batman Begins is a terrible fucking movie.

I don't agree. I think it was a good reboot and Liam Neeson

I also watch it from time and time and it still holds up for me.

The Dark Knight sucks more and more upon repeat viewings though. I blame it on Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Bildi · « **Reply #88 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:26:39 PM »

Quote from: The Business on February 10, 2010, 06:14:00 PM

Greengrass would piss on your face if he read that.

If he's the director, then I imagine he would.

Bildi · « **Reply #89 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:37:55 PM »

No, I just mean to say I found the shaky camera way over the top and totally distracting. They're the only two films where I've ever been distracted by camera movement.

chronovore · « **Reply #90 on:** February 10, 2010, 06:38:44 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2010, 12:25:13 PM

Superman Returns>Batman Begins

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So wrong. Like "wrong times two."

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Quote from: The Fake Shemp on February 09, 2010, 03:59:43 PM

What action scenes? He rescues a plane and then spends the entire film stalking Lois Lane and listening to Owl City.

Yeah, that's how I felt. Supes stalking... stalking Lois in her happy new life with a family, it was insanely creepy. And then for the villain, they can't come up with anything better than the same plot of Superman The Movie? Seriously?

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on February 09, 2010, 04:24:38 PM

It's like comparing aids to space aids. You don't want either, but you really don't want space aids.

cool breeze · « **Reply #91 on:** February 17, 2010, 11:33:05 AM »

even better news:

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/james-cameron-mentors-spider-man?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+totalfilm/imdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29

Cameron is mentoring the new spider-man movie.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #92 on:** February 17, 2010, 11:36:03 AM »

How is that good news? His screenplay for Spider-Man was horrible.

Mandark · « **Reply #93 on:** February 17, 2010, 11:37:12 AM »

I happen to think Purse Snatcher was a lively, multidimensional character.

Green Shinobi · « **Reply #94 on:** February 17, 2010, 11:43:36 AM »

Great news. Cameron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Raimi.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #95 on:** February 17, 2010, 11:57:30 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on February 17, 2010, 11:37:12 AM

I happen to think Purse Snatcher was a lively, multidimensional character.

Diunx · « **Reply #96 on:** February 17, 2010, 01:06:54 PM »

I'm getting really excited about the spidey reboot!

Cameron

ManaByte · « **Reply #97 on:** February 24, 2010, 04:44:27 PM »

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-david-goyer-hired-to-write-superman-the-man-of-steel-9286

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Today is huge comic book movie news Wednesday. With the Captain America finalists breaking over at Marvel, we got something from the world of DC.

Our notorious trusted source 'Pinche Taco' came up big for us...

I know a lot of you folks are going to ask "Isn't Goyer writing the third Batman film?" Goyer is only helping in the story, he ain't writing it. Just like The Dark Knight where he only helped with the story.

Without any further adieu..

Hola Chicos, Pinche Taco here with the latest blatherings de nada de los Ninos de Hollywood!

So you will believe un hombre can fly! Te Juro. The talented David Stephen Goyer, the man who made sure Nolan stuck to the legend of El Dark Knight, has been hired to write the next chapter. Here is what El Taco can tell all you ninos....

1. Thomas Tull, the head of Legendary, got tired of all the discussion and decided chingate, let's do it. So he went to Goyer and Goyer had an idea that actually takes the movies back to the John Byrne incarnation. Modern. Believable. FUN! So Tull got Goyer hired.
2. The film will not be called Superman and will be called THE MAN OF STEEL.
3. Brandon Routh will not star in the film.
4. Nic Cage will NOT star in the fllm (lol)
5. Bryan Singer is not expected to direct.

Conoces como Mark Millar walks around acting like he was going to write it? El Taco discovered that this was always BULLSHIT. Paul Levitz hated the guy and he was never even discussed to write it. He made all that "almost" stuff up.

I can tell you that Goyer's story involves Luthor and Brainiac. It is NOT an origin and assumes audiences already know about Lois, Clark, Jimmy and Perry. I know the Daily Planet is struggling due to the internet. And I know it sets up a huge Kryptonian mythology.

El Taco is muy excited about this. This could be the Superman movie we deserve!

Yo soy El Taco y yo digo adios!

Stay tuned as the story develops.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #98 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:10:03 PM »

Not being an origin story gives me some hope, but not too much.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #99 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:13:26 PM »

I will laugh if Goyer's script almost identical to the idea I came up with and told CajoleJuice about a few months ago.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #100 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:15:59 PM »

David Goyer? :hippolaugh

brawndolicious · « **Reply #101 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:21:07 PM »

Goyer's sort of a control freak too (see how much worse every Blade sequel got) so it has a lot of potential to suck balls starting from the script.

ManaByte · « **Reply #102 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:21:15 PM »

Take Kevin Smith's Superman Lives script, remove all the John Peters shit, and release that.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #103 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:23:27 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on February 24, 2010, 07:13:26 PM

I will laugh if Goyer's script almost identical to the idea I came up with and told CajoleJuice about a few months ago.

And you'll be crying on the inside.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #104 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:24:54 PM »

Same principals too, with the exception of one character (who knows, maybe he'll be included). I'll be interested to see if Goyer and I are on the same page in terms of where to take the Kryptonian mythology.

Diunx · « **Reply #105 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:32:27 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on February 24, 2010, 07:21:15 PM

Take Kevin Smith's Superman Lives script, remove all the John Peters shit, and release that.

God no, that script sucked cock.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #106 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:35:18 PM »

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 24, 2010, 07:33:33 PM

I'll be happy if the story and writing are at the level of the Nolan Batman films

Yeah, good luck with that.

ManaByte · « **Reply #107 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:35:49 PM »

Quote from: Diunx on February 24, 2010, 07:32:27 PM

Quote from: ManaByte on February 24, 2010, 07:21:15 PM
Take Kevin Smith's Superman Lives script, remove all the John Peters shit, and release that.

God no, that script sucked cock.

It was better than Avatar.

ManaByte · « **Reply #108 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:36:22 PM »

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 24, 2010, 07:33:33 PM

They should really bring in James Cameron specifically to script the action scenes.

Oh fuck no.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #109 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:40:26 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on February 24, 2010, 07:36:03 PM

David Goyer
Though I guess the first two blade films were okay. And that one episode of Freaky Links.

The first one was good, the second one was where he took over directing cause he couldn't communicate his artistic vision which made it pretty over-the-top and ridiculous, and the third one was apparently balls.

chronovore · « **Reply #110 on:** February 24, 2010, 07:56:52 PM »

Quote from: am nintenho on February 24, 2010, 07:40:26 PM

Quote from: Green Man on February 24, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
David Goyer
Though I guess the first two blade films were okay. And that one episode of Freaky Links.
The first one was good, the second one was where he took over directing cause he couldn't communicate his artistic vision which made it pretty over-the-top and ridiculous, and the third one was apparently balls.

The first one was surprisingly good, the second one was GREAT. Del Toro's, right? It felt like a comic book, start to finish.

The third one was utter balls.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #111 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:02:52 PM »

Goyer directed Trinity, Del Toro directed Blade II.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #112 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:04:07 PM »

Yeah, Del Toro directed Blade II and it was awesome.

Diunx · « **Reply #113 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:43:37 PM »

Quote from: ManaByte on February 24, 2010, 07:36:22 PM

Quote from: Green Shinobi on February 24, 2010, 07:33:33 PM
They should really bring in James Cameron specifically to script the action scenes.

Oh fuck no.

Yeah, please don't let the writer of Terminator, Aliens, Terminator 2, True Lies, First Blood Part 2, and Avatar write the action scenes, just make sure that the script is identical to the one the jersey girl guy wrote!!!!!!!!

brawndolicious · « **Reply #114 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:55:29 PM »

well cameron's ego wouldn't let him stop at just directing the acting scenes. he'd write and direct everything, which is usually a bad, bad idea.

Mandark · « **Reply #115 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:05:57 AM »

Mxyzptlk!

How would that not be awesome?

Ichirou · « **Reply #116 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:34:29 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on February 24, 2010, 07:21:15 PM

Take Kevin Smith's Superman Lives script, remove all the John Peters shit, and release that.

You have the worst taste of any human being that's ever lived.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #117 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:43:08 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2010, 12:05:57 AM

Mxyzptlk!

How would that not be awesome?

my god, you may be on to something. The craziness they could get up to visually...that could be REALLY fun. In fact, they should go all Silver Age and use chocolate kryponite and have Lois change into a black woman and Jimmy change into a giant turtle and the whole nine yards.

Mandark · « **Reply #118 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:46:30 AM »

I know, right!?

I say the dark, verisimilar reinvention has run its course. We got Batman, James Bond, and Robin Hood. Time to let camp, color, and imagination get a turn a turn at the wheel.

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #119 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:55:26 AM »

on the other hand, Batman and Robin.

But yes, assuming talented people work on it, I really like that. Superman should be for all ages anyway.

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Author Topic: Nolan "mentoring" THE MAN OF STEEL; Goyer writing it. (Read 10250 times)