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Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« on: February 09, 2010, 09:20:00 PM »
With Dr. Conrad Murray officially charged in Michael Jackson's death, the Los Angeles coroner has released the autopsy report that said it was a homicide.

The 51-page report gives vivid detail supporting last August's conclusion that Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication."

Murray told investigators he gave Jackson propofol, a powerful anesthetic, to help him sleep.

An anesthesiology consultant hired by the coroner to review the findings of the investigation said that "there are NO reports of its use for insomnia relief, to my knowledge," according to the report.

"The only reports of its use in homes are cases of fatal abuse (first reported in 1992), suicide, murder and accident," Dr. Selma Calmes wrote.

"The standard of care for administering propofol was not met," she wrote.

Murray, who was with Jackson when he died, is charged with involuntary manslaughter by acting "without malice" but also "without due caution and circumspection."

Jackson, who hired Murray as his physician while he prepared for what was to have been a series of comeback concerts, called the doctor to his rented Holmby Hills mansion last June 25 at about 1 a.m., the report said.

"The decedent complained of being dehydrated and not being able to sleep," it said.

A police affidavit previously made public said that the doctor told investigators he gave Jackson three anti-anxiety drugs to help him sleep that morning.

Murray told them he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for six weeks at the time of the singer's death. He had given Jackson 50 milligrams of the sedative propofol diluted with the local anesthetic lidocaine every night via an intravenous drip.

The doctor told police he was worried that Jackson was becoming addicted to the drug and was trying to wean him off it.

During the two nights before Jackson's death, Murray said, he put together combinations of other drugs that succeeded in helping Jackson sleep.

Coroner investigators first examined Jackson's body at UCLA Medical Center less than three hours after he was pronounced dead. They used the picture on his California driver's license to confirm it was the singer.

"The decedent's head hair is sparse and is connected to a wig. The decedent's overall skin has patches of light and dark pigmented areas," an investigator wrote.

Jackson suffered permanent hair loss when his scalp caught fire while he was taping a Pepsi commercial in 1984. He was known to wear wigs in public after the mishap.

Jackson's dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, told CNN last year that he had treated Jackson for vitiligo, a skin condition that causes irregular patches of white skin.

Jackson weighed 136 pounds and was 69 inches tall, according to measurements taken during the autopsy the morning after his death.

The front of Jackson's scalp, from his hairline, was tattooed with dark ink over "frontal balding." His eyebrows and the border of his eyelids were also tattooed.

"There is a pink tattoo in the region of the lips," the report said.


The autopsy report noted several broken ribs, apparently suffered during the efforts to revive him.

The autopsy also said that Jackson's left lung was affected by "widespread respiratory bronchiolitis and chronic lung inflammation" that could have had an "adverse health effect." But it was not "considered to be a direct or contributing cause of death," a pathologist hired as a consultant concluded.

Calmes, the consultant, concluded that propofol was administered without the recommended equipment being present, including a "continuous pulse oxymeter, EKG and blood pressure cuff."

Use of the anesthesia requires "full patient monitoring by a person trained in anesthesia," she wrote. Murray is a cardiologist.

"There was no evidence of an infusion pump for control of an IV infusion. No monitors were found at the scene; a blood pressure cuff and portable pulse oxymeter were recovered from a closet in the next room," Calmes wrote.

The consultant said supplemental oxygen "should always be delivered" when propofol is being administered.

An oxygen tank was found near where Jackson slept, but it was empty when the coroner investigator checked it two weeks after Jackson died, Calmes said.

"Multiple opened bottles of propofol were found with small amounts of remaining drug," Calmes said. "A used bottle should be discarded six hours after opening, to avoid possible bacterial growth."

"The levels of propofol found on toxicology exam are similar to those found during general anesthesia for major surgery," Calmes said.

During such surgery, any patient would be "intubated and ventilated by an anesthesiologist," she said.

The consultant's report said the level of lorazepam, a powerful anti-anxiety agent found in Jackson's body, "would have accentuated the respiratory and cardiovascular depression from propofol."

An involuntary manslaughter charge against a physician is a "very unusual thing to see," according to Dr. Bruce Cranner, a New Orleans defense lawyer in medical cases.

Cranner said prosecutors may have a "pretty good case" against Murray if they can show he did not take proper precautions when giving Jackson the propofol.

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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 10:47:07 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 10:47:55 PM »
They also found kid stains on his dingdong.
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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 10:58:59 PM »
Michael never touched kids in that way.  He was a freak but he wasn't pedo.
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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2010, 11:00:48 PM »
Yeah, come on guys.  He just slept with little kids.  He touched monkeys!
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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2010, 11:04:15 PM »
Not joking, bro.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2010, 11:08:13 PM »
Not joking, bro.

hurr durr MJ was pedo hurr durr without religion the world would be a better place

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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2010, 11:08:50 PM »
He was a big "kid" himself.  I can see where Ichi is coming from.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 11:15:00 PM »
He was a big "kid" himself.  I can see where Ichi is coming from.

I've read Stephen King books, I know what kids do to each other.  :yuck
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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2010, 12:42:12 AM »
I'm not denying the dude had serious mental issues, just saying I don't believe they extended to molesting kids.  The people who brought charges against him were fairly sleazy if you just read up on them.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2010, 12:49:09 AM »
jesus christ, what a mess.  The law is going to screw this guy, but really...what's the standard of care for a guy this fucked up?  He hired this doctor to pump him full of screwed up drugs, not to take care of normal medical conditions.  MJ was probably pretty fucked up in the head from all kinds of stress, which screwed with his health too.  Nobody should need that much brain candy to fall asleep.  Of course, if the doctor didn't like it, he could have quit.

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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2010, 12:54:29 AM »
The money was probably waaaay too good.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2010, 01:00:15 AM »
Man, if there's one person that probably couldn't deal with aging it was Michael Jackson. I mean, women will mutilate their face in pursuit of staying young and flaunt it but Jackson, he became some quasimoto.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 01:00:58 AM »
Man, if there's one person that probably couldn't deal with aging it was Michael Jackson.

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2010, 01:04:36 AM »
Man, if there's one person that probably couldn't deal with aging it was Michael Jackson.

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If I had better gif skills I would totally make one of a partly bald Michael Jackson and a black wig slowly descending on his head. Then "Deal with it" as it lands.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2010, 01:15:33 AM »
If I wasn't feeling lazy and tired at the moment I would have photoshopped MJ's This Is It cover picture to "MJ's Deal With It".

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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2010, 01:37:43 AM »
I don't think Jackson was a pedophile. I'll agree with Ichi and say he had some identity problems, and yea he probably did some stuff with kids society would frown on, but I just don't see Jackson hurting a kid. There's nothing in his history or personality to suggest that, and of course he was never found guilty nor was any clear evidence found to hang him.

I can imagine him watching porn with kids, maybe wiping nut on a kid and vise versa but in a playful manner like a kid would do, not like a pedo.
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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2010, 01:42:44 AM »
I don't think Jackson was a pedophile. I'll agree with Ichi and say he had some identity problems, and yea he probably did some stuff with kids society would frown on, but I just don't see Jackson hurting a kid. There's nothing in his history or personality to suggest that, and of course he was never found guilty nor was any clear evidence found to hang him.

I can imagine him watching porn with kids, maybe wiping nut on a kid and vise versa but in a playful manner like a kid would do, not like a pedo.

Well, you just got scrubbed from my babysitter list.
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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2010, 01:54:17 AM »
I don't think Jackson was a pedophile. I'll agree with Ichi and say he had some identity problems, and yea he probably did some stuff with kids society would frown on, but I just don't see Jackson hurting a kid. There's nothing in his history or personality to suggest that, and of course he was never found guilty nor was any clear evidence found to hang him.

I can imagine him watching porn with kids, maybe wiping nut on a kid and vise versa but in a playful manner like a kid would do, not like a pedo.

What's wiping nut on a kid?  'Cuz I'm imagining MJ cumming and then wiping his cum off on a kid's sleeve or something.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2010, 02:14:37 AM »
Michael never touched kids in that way.  He was a freak but he wasn't pedo.

I agree with this, but PD took it to a whole other level. Troll much?

We're talking about a dude who had no childhood growing up, and with all the money and fame in the world, all he wanted to do was spend some time with kids like he never got to. Normal people who make derogatory comments about Michael Jackson and the controversy surrounding him aren't really looking at this with an understanding point of view, but more of the same "Oh, Hollywood scandal = crazy person."

Dave Chappelle said it the best during his interview with Inside The Actors Studio, crazy is a bullshit word because it's dismissive. You're refusing to understand this person, and in the confusion that follows that choice, you feel like you need to dehumanize them.

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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2010, 02:19:04 AM »
If some dude never got to play doctor, and when he was like 30 or 40 or whatever, he decided he really wanted to, so he got some kids together and organized the game, would that be making up for a lost childhood, or pedo?  ???

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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2010, 02:20:17 AM »
If some dude never got to play doctor, and when he was like 30 or 40 or whatever, he decided he really wanted to, so he got some kids together and organized the game, would that be making up for a lost childhood, or pedo?  ???

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2010, 02:33:13 AM »
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2010, 02:51:55 AM »
If some dude never got to play doctor, and when he was like 30 or 40 or whatever, he decided he really wanted to, so he got some kids together and organized the game, would that be making up for a lost childhood, or pedo?  ???

making up for a lost childhood AND pedo
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2010, 02:56:26 AM »
making up for a lost childhood AND pedo

Yeah, these two things aren't mutually exclusive. The "he was just trying to re-live his childhood" defense is incredibly naive.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2010, 03:02:13 AM »
making up for a lost childhood AND pedo

Yeah, these two things aren't mutually exclusive. The "he was just trying to re-live his childhood" defense is incredibly naive.

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EDIT: Reading this post again, can you describe why that particular defense is naive? It's optimistic, sure, but I don't live in some flowery world where there aren't any pedophiles and everyone is nice to each other. I know that people can do terrible things and I know they do, all the damn time.

In Michael Jackson's case, the conclusion that he was a pedophile borders on the kind of fact-blending that conspiracy theorists use. There's a lot we will probably never know about what Michael Jackson's fondness of children was really about, but to just connect the dots in a way that makes sense to you and sell it as fact is bullshit.

I'm not saying I KNOW one way or the other, I'm just encouraging both parties to look at this from all angles. I have, and I've come to the personal conclusion that Michael Jackson, while creepy as fuck, wouldn't sexually abuse a child.
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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2010, 09:59:13 AM »
making up for a lost childhood AND pedo

Yeah, these two things aren't mutually exclusive. The "he was just trying to re-live his childhood" defense is incredibly naive.

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EDIT: Reading this post again, can you describe why that particular defense is naive? It's optimistic, sure, but I don't live in some flowery world where there aren't any pedophiles and everyone is nice to each other. I know that people can do terrible things and I know they do, all the damn time.

In Michael Jackson's case, the conclusion that he was a pedophile borders on the kind of fact-blending that conspiracy theorists use. There's a lot we will probably never know about what Michael Jackson's fondness of children was really about, but to just connect the dots in a way that makes sense to you and sell it as fact is bullshit.

I'm not saying I KNOW one way or the other, I'm just encouraging both parties to look at this from all angles. I have, and I've come to the personal conclusion that Michael Jackson, while creepy as fuck, wouldn't sexually abuse a child.

Fine. But lots of people come to this conclusion about people in their own families, and find out later that they actually were abusing children. Smoke, fire etc.
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2010, 10:38:03 AM »
there's a lot of incentives to DENY that your child is being abused, too, which happens in countless molestation cases
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2010, 10:41:51 AM »
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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2010, 10:59:12 AM »
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Damn.  Prole got burned hard!

I'm also in the camp that believes Michael was crazy and creepy but I don't think he put his dick in a kid.  There really wasn't conclusive evidence either.  And all the witnesses that the prosecution had turned out to be pretty sleazy people looking for a dime.

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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2010, 12:07:50 PM »
Let's not forget that the guy who brought all the first accusations also killed himself.  Of course the coverage of this and all the other shady shit that this guy was involved with got 1/1000th of the press coverage of the accusations.

He wanted to ruin MJ's life and on that account he was very successful.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1626509/20091118/jackson_michael.jhtml
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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2010, 09:25:19 PM »
When they raided his home, the only porn they ever found was normal Playboy and Hustler-type stuff, nothing even remotely creepy.

So of course, the prosecution decides that he must have used this normal porn to "entice" kids.  Kind of reaching, IMO...
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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2010, 02:04:42 AM »
Didn't the magazines have the kid's fingerprints on them?

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2010, 03:39:13 AM »
12 year old boys like titties even if they are dying of cancer.
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2010, 04:21:29 AM »
So he tried to seduce a teenage boy with some porn.  Not hard to believe.

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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2010, 05:16:09 AM »
So he tried to seduce a teenage boy with some porn.  Not hard to believe.

"Look at these Playboy and Huster mags.  Now let's have gay sex!"   

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Re: Coroner releases new details about Michael Jackson's death
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2010, 05:36:27 AM »
It's am nintenho, lyte. He's immune to your normal human logic.
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