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Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9300 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:43:08 PM »

Eurojankapalooza!

Bebpo · « **Reply #9301 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:48:02 PM »

Resonance also came out today.

Himu · « **Reply #9302 on:** June 19, 2012, 02:54:28 PM »

Quote from: Timber on June 19, 2012, 02:39:09 PM

This came out today. I don't know.

someone with taste bite the bullet and try this out for us

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9303 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:10:25 PM »

Traded in my Wii and all my Wii games today for Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Dragon's Dogma.

Himu · « **Reply #9304 on:** June 19, 2012, 03:13:17 PM »

i traded in my wii for diablo 3

tiesto · « **Reply #9305 on:** June 19, 2012, 04:54:02 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2012, 03:10:25 PM

Traded in my Wii and all my Wii games today for Final Fantasy XIII-2 and Dragon's Dogma.

Great game, much better than the original.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9306 on:** June 19, 2012, 05:38:33 PM »

I really didn't like FFXIII, so I certainly hope it's better!

Timber · « **Reply #9307 on:** June 19, 2012, 08:15:41 PM »

Johnny Blow put up a rather enlightening new blog post.

http://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/the-depth-jam/

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Many cities around the world have regular meet-ups; once a month or so, game developers get together at a bar or something, and just chat and be social. I generally don’t go to these because bars are antagonistic to interesting conversations and because attendees tend toward the neophyte side, which means we have the same problem as at conferences: there’s little benefit to be had for an experienced developer. But these events also have the Horseshoe problem, in that the conversation is not focused and doesn’t really matter, so people just say a bunch of nonsense. If all you want is to get drunk and be social, these events are fine, but they don’t do much for professional development.

What a guy.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9308 on:** June 19, 2012, 08:53:51 PM »

Sleep doesn't do much for professional development either, but yet you do that every night regardless, don't you, Jonathan Blow?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #9309 on:** June 20, 2012, 12:52:56 AM »

That said I tend to agree with him.

archie4208 · « **Reply #9310 on:** June 20, 2012, 06:45:05 AM »

Hey PhoenixDark, what do you think about what Valve is doing for competitive Dota 2? tl;dr: they are going to sell in game tournament passes that let players use the game client to watch live games and replays of tournaments and it gives money directly back to the organizers.

Third · « **Reply #9311 on:** June 20, 2012, 06:59:32 AM »

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B004ZKI7EM

DOA if true.

But it's Jewtendo. Price wouldn't surprise me.

magus · « **Reply #9312 on:** June 20, 2012, 07:51:30 AM »

THREE HUNDRED NINTY NINE US DOLLARS

Momo · « **Reply #9313 on:** June 20, 2012, 07:59:18 AM »

EUR 399,99

Holy fuck no lmao

archnemesis · « **Reply #9314 on:** June 20, 2012, 08:13:59 AM »

It's only a placeholder. There is even a warning on the same page saying it's not the final price. My local store has it up for pre-order for the equivalent of $720.

Momo · « **Reply #9315 on:** June 20, 2012, 11:52:32 AM »

399 is like 500 dollars

chronovore · « **Reply #9316 on:** June 20, 2012, 12:15:11 PM »

Quote from: Timber on June 19, 2012, 08:15:41 PM

Johnny Blow put up a rather enlightening new blog post.

http://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/the-depth-jam/

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Many cities around the world have regular meet-ups; once a month or so, game developers get together at a bar or something, and just chat and be social. I generally don’t go to these because bars are antagonistic to interesting conversations and because attendees tend toward the neophyte side, which means we have the same problem as at conferences: there’s little benefit to be had for an experienced developer. But these events also have the Horseshoe problem, in that the conversation is not focused and doesn’t really matter, so people just say a bunch of nonsense. If all you want is to get drunk and be social, these events are fine, but they don’t do much for professional development.

What a guy.

It must be so difficult on him; it's got to be hard to know everything.

Momo · « **Reply #9317 on:** June 20, 2012, 12:57:13 PM »

I generally rate toilet paper by softness, you get some 2-ply brands that have the texture of sandy newpaper on my bottom. Baby softs for me pls.

Bebpo · « **Reply #9318 on:** June 20, 2012, 05:11:44 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on June 20, 2012, 12:15:11 PM

Quote from: Timber on June 19, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
Johnny Blow put up a rather enlightening new blog post.

http://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/the-depth-jam/

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Many cities around the world have regular meet-ups; once a month or so, game developers get together at a bar or something, and just chat and be social. I generally don’t go to these because bars are antagonistic to interesting conversations and because attendees tend toward the neophyte side, which means we have the same problem as at conferences: there’s little benefit to be had for an experienced developer. But these events also have the Horseshoe problem, in that the conversation is not focused and doesn’t really matter, so people just say a bunch of nonsense. If all you want is to get drunk and be social, these events are fine, but they don’t do much for professional development.

What a guy.

It must be so difficult on him; it's got to be hard to know everything.

You know, I don't think he's coming off too harshly or pretentious and he has a lot of valid points on how much you can really learn from these types of get togethers.

Otoh, he seems to be missing the concept that it's not just about learning things to use in your game. It's also about socializing, making friends, enjoying life itself, and maybe getting some new outlooks or just refresh yourself on life in general which will ultimately affect your game design and hopefully make it into a better game.

So basically, I think he makes good points but he's not looking at the big picture.

Himu · « **Reply #9319 on:** June 20, 2012, 05:22:54 PM »

how the fuck did this person make sims 2 graphics this good

sims 2 is GOAT pc game I may put Sims 3 aside for it again

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #9320 on:** June 20, 2012, 05:49:43 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on June 20, 2012, 05:11:44 PM

Quote from: chronovore on June 20, 2012, 12:15:11 PM
Quote from: Timber on June 19, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
Johnny Blow put up a rather enlightening new blog post.

http://the-witness.net/news/2012/05/the-depth-jam/

Quote
Many cities around the world have regular meet-ups; once a month or so, game developers get together at a bar or something, and just chat and be social. I generally don’t go to these because bars are antagonistic to interesting conversations and because attendees tend toward the neophyte side, which means we have the same problem as at conferences: there’s little benefit to be had for an experienced developer. But these events also have the Horseshoe problem, in that the conversation is not focused and doesn’t really matter, so people just say a bunch of nonsense. If all you want is to get drunk and be social, these events are fine, but they don’t do much for professional development.

What a guy.

It must be so difficult on him; it's got to be hard to know everything.

You know, I don't think he's coming off too harshly or pretentious and he has a lot of valid points on how much you can really learn from these types of get togethers.

Otoh, he seems to be missing the concept that it's not just about learning things to use in your game. It's also about socializing, making friends, enjoying life itself, and maybe getting some new outlooks or just refresh yourself on life in general which will ultimately affect your game design and hopefully make it into a better game.

He sounds like a robot.

etiolate · « **Reply #9321 on:** June 20, 2012, 06:34:07 PM »

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In an interview with Kotaku, Moore laid it out: "I think there's an inevitability that happens five years from now, 10 years from now, that, let's call it the client, to use the term, [is free.] It is no different than... it's free to me to walk into The Gap in my local shopping mall. They don't charge me to walk in there. I can walk into The Gap, enjoy the music, look at the jeans and what have you, but if I want to buy something I have to pay for it."

http://kotaku.com/5919847/the-strange-scary-fascinating-exciting-future-of-video-games-according-to-a-giant

So Gamestop is F2P?

chronovore · « **Reply #9322 on:** June 20, 2012, 07:08:23 PM »

Quote from: Bebpo on June 20, 2012, 05:11:44 PM

You know, I don't think he's coming off too harshly or pretentious and he has a lot of valid points on how much you can really learn from these types of get togethers.

Otoh, he seems to be missing the concept that it's not just about learning things to use in your game. It's also about socializing, making friends, enjoying life itself, and maybe getting some new outlooks or just refresh yourself on life in general which will ultimately affect your game design and hopefully make it into a better game.

So basically, I think he makes good points but he's not looking at the big picture.

So apparently all the other attendees at GDC just haven't noticed that we're not actually learning stuff, we just think we are. I've been developing games for 17 years, but apparently all the stuff I heard about at GDC this year was just fluff I should have already known about, or would have known about if I was as awesome as Blowhard.

Too I'm not smart enough to realize it's WRONG to feel good about the $900+ I spent out of my own pocket (I was unemployed during the show, am employed again now -- next year someone else can pay).

Bebpo · « **Reply #9323 on:** June 20, 2012, 07:25:02 PM »

Quote from: chronovore on June 20, 2012, 07:08:23 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on June 20, 2012, 05:11:44 PM

You know, I don't think he's coming off too harshly or pretentious and he has a lot of valid points on how much you can really learn from these types of get togethers.

Otoh, he seems to be missing the concept that it's not just about learning things to use in your game. It's also about socializing, making friends, enjoying life itself, and maybe getting some new outlooks or just refresh yourself on life in general which will ultimately affect your game design and hopefully make it into a better game.

So basically, I think he makes good points but he's not looking at the big picture.

So apparently all the other attendees at GDC just haven't noticed that we're not actually learning stuff, we just think we are. I've been developing games for 17 years, but apparently all the stuff I heard about at GDC this year was just fluff I should have already known about, or would have known about if I was as awesome as Blowhard.

Too I'm not smart enough to realize it's WRONG to feel good about the $900+ I spent out of my own pocket (I was unemployed during the show, am employed again now -- next year someone else can pay).

Sorry, didn't mean to offend you. When it comes to making games talk I'll defer to you here since you have 17 years of experience and I have 5 days. I was just trying to understand where he was coming from and make sense of it.

chronovore · « **Reply #9324 on:** June 20, 2012, 08:09:36 PM »

Dude, no! I'm not offended at you or your take on this, I'm still going off on Blow! The portion of text excerpted from the article (which I not-so-cleverly snipped in the interest of concise response) was bemoaning how conferences and gatherings are mainly feeding pools for guppie devs... it was still pissing me off.

And I might not even be pissed if I bothered to read the whole WALL OF TEXT at that Game Jam article and get additional context; I'm just responding to the portion which was pasted here.

Sorry for the confusion, didn't mean to dismiss you, just The Blow.

Himu · « **Reply #9325 on:** June 20, 2012, 10:09:55 PM »

OMG. Found the lighting mod for Sims 2.

OMG it looks like Sims 3.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #9326 on:** June 20, 2012, 10:25:14 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #9327 on:** June 20, 2012, 10:27:33 PM »

i'm pretty comfortable with my sexuality!!

Trent Dole · « **Reply #9328 on:** June 20, 2012, 10:33:04 PM »

You'd have to be with that much Sims talk.

Himu · « **Reply #9329 on:** June 21, 2012, 01:27:44 AM »

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 20, 2012, 10:33:04 PM

You'd have to be with that much Sims talk.

fyi sims is a goat franchise

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9330 on:** June 21, 2012, 10:41:16 AM »

http://www.desura.com/games/oniken

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #9331 on:** June 21, 2012, 11:16:27 AM »

Kenshiro!

brob · « **Reply #9332 on:** June 21, 2012, 03:57:26 PM »

http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win

I'm a little bit late on this, but I just saw this GDC powerpoint from dude who worked on Battlefield Heroes where he talks about how awesome pay to win is and how players respond positively to it. I found it very entertaining and reinforced my beliefs on how the predominant user base don't really mind surcharges or DLC. Personally I would hope this sort of business model grows stronger and we get more shit like this. How big of an advantage can paying players be given before there is negative feed-back? are temporary advantages perceived as a good value outside of user sign-up spikes? etc.

Thinking about the sort of games that I like playing (japanese arcade games), I can't really think of a way this could be implemented, but surely there are business minded people in japan that at some point will catch on and try some stuff. brave new world y'all.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9333 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:11:12 PM »

Free to play with added on premiums is definitely the future. Where it becomes tricky is how dickish a company will be in products that target the hardcore. There are plenty of games that target the "casual" market now that are fucked in this regard but much fewer that target the true hardcore portion of the market. I don't mind customization. I don't mind DLC. But when you have to pay an unreasonable price to be competitive or engage in a constant war of upgrading to stay competitive is when it gets dickish. And EA definitely will be dickish if they can especially towards less educated consumers. The problem comes in the name itself. Free to play really just means free to play the very minimum of content and still call it a game. Free to play is really free to play in pricing tiers. As long as the tiers are reasonable once again I don't have a problem. But the temptation is great for these companies to design in such a way as to potentially make them unreasonable.

brob · « **Reply #9334 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:27:35 PM »

Certainly. but as the market grows and more games become available free to play, and consumers become more savvy about it, I think it will steady out in some fashion. I don't think it's good business to fuck people over unless they are sufficiently invested, which takes a lot of time. Diablo 3 being the outlier, since people are already invested from Diablo 2, so Blizzard can prolly get away with hella shit at the moment.

Also I wonder how long Wargaming.net (World of tanks/battleships/warplanes) are going to run uncontested in their particular area. Ubisoft could do a mean Silent Hunter game if they wanted to, I think. And Ubisoft always tries to go hard in the paint when it comes to getting paper.

And ultimately I don't really think this business model will eat into conventional $60 discs or $15/20 download games. This seems far more likely to supplant MMOs, what with the various MOBA games (which are very social games though in a much more intense way than conventional MMOs) having absurd user bases that are incredibly invested.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9335 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:38:02 PM »

Like any good drug dealer I think the key to expanding your business is lowering the barrier of entry for people to try your product. And I think free to play or faux free to play is something that will impact even the console or traditionally fixed price guys. It's a great way to hook your customers and have them craving that next fix.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9336 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:44:36 PM »

I don't mind the F2P model in the MMO market, but the moment it starts to invade single-players games is where I draw the line.

brob · « **Reply #9337 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:47:07 PM »

yeah, maybe. the next generation of console hardware will most likely be set up with more social feed-back loops n shit from the get-go, and doing free to play on consoles should be easier. Wonder how many "AAA" game developers who will be able to survive making $60 boxes with a story-/set-piece driven, single player campaign as the main selling point. Wonder if those will just dry up.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #9338 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:48:45 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2012, 04:44:36 PM

I don't mind the F2P model in the MMO market, but the moment it starts to invade single-players games is where I draw the line.

Don't worry. Pure Single player games are the past anyway. The real money is in social in the many forms that can take.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9339 on:** June 21, 2012, 04:53:25 PM »

Quote from: Stoney Mason on June 21, 2012, 04:48:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2012, 04:44:36 PM
I don't mind the F2P model in the MMO market, but the moment it starts to invade single-players games is where I draw the line.

Don't worry. Pure Single player games are the past anyway. The real money is in social in the many forms that can take.

And that's why I'm not particularly looking forward to the next generation of games/consoles.

brob · « **Reply #9340 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:03:06 PM »

eastern europe got your back bro

fuck ~~the system~~ hollywood gaming

Himu · « **Reply #9341 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:30:40 PM »

To be fair, that's just not games doing that. The other day on Spotify I heard some shitty advert for Bing that said that when you search, you can see what your friends are searching too! Cruncheon should be ashamed, I don't want my friends to know my love for shemale porn.

archie4208 · « **Reply #9342 on:** June 21, 2012, 05:51:37 PM »

F2P, when done correctly, is the best model for multiplayer games. Single player titles that are $10-40 are fine. The only losers are the $60 "AAA" titles.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on June 21, 2012, 05:30:40 PM

To be fair, that's just not games doing that. The other day on Spotify I heard some shitty advert for Bing that said that when you search, you can see what your friends are searching too! Cruncheon should be ashamed, I don't want my friends to know my love for shemale porn.

Incognito mode, bro.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #9343 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:30:32 PM »

Quote from: Brobzoid on June 21, 2012, 04:47:07 PM

yeah, maybe. the next generation of console hardware will most likely be set up with more social feed-back loops n shit from the get-go, and doing free to play on consoles should be easier. Wonder how many "AAA" game developers who will be able to survive making $60 boxes with a story-/set-piece driven, single player campaign as the main selling point. Wonder if those will just dry up.

I think there will always be a market for this, but these games will become sparse, which will in turn also lead to them selling more.

tiesto · « **Reply #9344 on:** June 21, 2012, 08:10:38 PM »

Right now there's nothing that interests me in the F2P model so I just ignore it... but I just know it's gonna creep into the Japanese games I do enjoy. I'm not a fan of the model, I've always been someone who likes to spend a flat rate on a game and get everything with it, even DLC pisses me off a bit.

archie4208 · « **Reply #9345 on:** June 23, 2012, 08:57:17 AM »

Magoose's hero Spoony is having the mother of all meltdowns. "Internet celebrities"

magus · « **Reply #9346 on:** June 23, 2012, 09:53:36 AM »

i hope he at least finish his ultima retrospective,i personaly found it very interessing

otherwise *shrugs*

http://andriasang.com/con1mk/ffxi_adoulin_screens/

final fantasy 14 must be bombing pretty hard

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9347 on:** June 23, 2012, 10:34:43 AM »

Quote from: magus on June 23, 2012, 09:53:36 AM

final fantasy 14 must be bombing pretty hard

It's not "bombing," it already "bombed."

magus · « **Reply #9348 on:** June 23, 2012, 10:41:18 AM »

didn't they do a relaunch or something?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9349 on:** June 23, 2012, 10:50:45 AM »

They're trying to relaunch it, but that's still months away [maybe even a year] if they manage to relaunch it when they say they will.

tiesto · « **Reply #9350 on:** June 23, 2012, 11:07:25 AM »

What's the best class for a newbie to use in Dark Souls?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9351 on:** June 23, 2012, 11:13:36 AM »

You probably want to start with the Warrior, maybe one of the other classes like Knight [if you want to tank] or Wanderer [if you want speed and evasion].

magus · « **Reply #9352 on:** June 23, 2012, 11:40:02 AM »

i started with a warrior but a lot of people seems to like the pyromancer

Momo · « **Reply #9353 on:** June 23, 2012, 02:22:04 PM »

[insert whimsy here]

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #9354 on:** June 23, 2012, 02:31:44 PM »

That game's in 1080p, not interested.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #9355 on:** June 23, 2012, 02:51:27 PM »

Oh look a cutesy artsy puzzle platformer, never seen one of those before! Why is indie gaming so cliched?

Himu · « **Reply #9356 on:** June 23, 2012, 03:10:17 PM »

Because you don't follow indie gaming or have an iota of what you're talking about.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #9357 on:** June 23, 2012, 03:28:28 PM »

That's what gets hyped to oblivion anyway

magus · « **Reply #9358 on:** June 23, 2012, 03:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 23, 2012, 03:28:28 PM

That's what gets hyped to oblivion anyway

me and himuro had the same discussion in the bitching thread like a week ago

Himu · « **Reply #9359 on:** June 23, 2012, 03:35:16 PM »

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 23, 2012, 03:28:28 PM

That's what gets hyped to oblivion anyway

Amnesia: The Dark Descent is an indie game. It is one of the more popular indie games and is a first person horror game.

Don't be a Magus.

Legend of Grimrock came out just A FEW MONTHS AGO. It is an indie first person rpg dungeon crawler. It has been hyped to oblivion.*

Don't be a Magus.

Minecraft IS CURRENTLY THE BIGGEST PC GAME OUT RIGHT NOW. It is indie. It is LEGO IN VIDYA.

Don't be a Magus.

* - by people with taste and who actually follow indie games

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