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« on: March 02, 2010, 12:03:40 AM »
1: They have me teaching 3rd grade. This is fine. The kids don't really know the alphabet, but whatever. The big deal is that they switched to a new curriculum. And threw out the old books. But the new books didn't arrive yet. And there's no English Teacher's Edition available.

2: They expanded our office because we were 3 people in a broom closet, but then they added 3 more people, so it's even more cramped than it was before. Also, Koreans NEVER introduce themselves. Everyone sat in silence until I was like, "Oh, hi, I guess we're sharing an office!"
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 12:06:10 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 12:16:20 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 12:41:43 AM »
They don't really know what to do with me here. Apparently I'm teaching three classes tomorrow, but they're "special classes," so I don't get a co-teacher. However, the kids speak a very low level of English, so I don't think it's going to work out too well. My plan is to use the same lesson plan with every one of the classes, which means that tomorrow will be strictly introduction. The classes are only 45 minutes, but they seem to drag on forever. Teaching the same 45 minute lesson to eight different classes in a week is like watching a really crappy episode of Lost eight times in a row.

My regular classes with regular co-teachers don't start until next week. Not sure what we'll actually do, since no one has discussed lesson plans with me.

I just got told that I'm teaching an afterschool for 1st and 2nd graders 5 days a week. It's 25 buck an hour and it's during school hours, so whatever, but it's a pain. 1st and 2nd Graders REALLLLYYYY don't know the alphabet, I can't talk to them, I can't yell at them, I can't discipline them and I have no co-teacher for afterschool classes. It's also a major pain because that's +5 lesson plans every week.

We're gonna do a fuckload of coloring. I like to make activity booklets on B4 sized paper. Make one a week, I guess?

I know what you mean about the same lesson plan. I teach 3,5,6- 8 classes of each. Some days it's like "2 6 classes, 1 5 class and 2 3 classes" which isn't too bad, but 2 days a week I have 4 of the SAME CLASS in a row. It's like Groundhog Day.

My 5th grade co-teacher is usually a no-show so I don't have to plan in tandem. My 6th grade teacher usually just hands me an 80% complete lesson, I throw in a game or activity and we call it even. I have no idea what to do with 3rd graders, haha.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 12:47:00 AM »
Hahaha. They just said: "Tommorrow, make sure to bring all lesson plans for the next month so they can review". Oh man. I half missed the sheer batshit insanity of this place.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 02:09:40 PM »
C is for cat (but also for celery, omg at that curveball!)"

Korean is phonetic like Japanese, right? That must blow their little minds. :lol
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 10:08:10 PM »
Is that weird girl still there?

No, she left. They also replaced my crazy 5th grade teacher with a lady who speaks no English. I gave a big lesson on the rules and the kids looked at me like I was speaking in tongues. Which I was. This job, man.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 11:16:33 PM »
So would you guys concur with the sentiments expressed here?
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 01:00:48 AM »
No, Korea as a country has its ups and downs, but it's largely pretty awesome. It's not quite as wealthy or advanced as Japan, but you don't have to deal with that perverted uguu shit.

The state of English education as a whole is kind of a joke. But it pays well when you factor in everything you get, and as long as you do your best to help the kids actually learn something, it's not bad at all.

Yeah but Korea is fugly and it has pushy ajummas and some of the most aggressive drivers in the world. So actually it's not that awesome.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 01:05:53 AM »
No, Korea as a country has its ups and downs, but it's largely pretty awesome. It's not quite as wealthy or advanced as Japan, but you don't have to deal with that perverted uguu shit.

The state of English education as a whole is kind of a joke. But it pays well when you factor in everything you get, and as long as you do your best to help the kids actually learn something, it's not bad at all.

I'd agree. That said, Korea is a really unique country. It's not the neon, year 3000 place that Japan is, nor does it have the militarism and economy of China. Korea "grew up" really fast. 50 years ago these people were living in poverty. 30 years ago they were still a broke, fledgling democracy that was led by a zany dictatorial president. Then they struck a devil's bargin with industry and got really fucking rich really fast. You still see it here- Entire cities literally spring up out of the ground. You think particle board sub divisions are bad in the US? Imagine an entire city popping up over the course of a year. I had a friend who lived in one of these new cities and they're built and finished before anyone moves in. It was creepy- Empty parks, empty streets, shops that were open but had no customers. Buses that rode to and fro with no passengers. Weird stuff and it keeps happening. The "miracle" of the South Korean economy is supported by pointless public works projects- They keep extending the subway to pointless locations, they build huge parks in places no one goes. Unemployment is ridiculous, but the government hides it by hiring enormous numbers of workers part time. But I'm getting off point.

Someone said to me that a lot of Koreans are still figuring out where they are. They went from being the "Hermit Nation" to being a fully globalized, modernized, industrialized nation in about 20 or 25 years. Older Koreans don't really know where they fit in and younger Koreans aren't quite old enough to take the cultural reins. It's just a weird place that has a very uneasy relationship with all the trappings of being a "global" nation. It's still incredibly cloistered- They have their own very productive movie, music and games industries. They have their own TV shows and dramas. They don't "need" the rest of the world. They are the most prideful people you'll ever meet. It's all kind of hard to explain unless you're here and you watch it play out.

That said- The job is still pretty good. I make 3,000 won a month (2.1 in pay, 400 housing stipend, 500 in overtime) which is around 2.6/2.7k depending on the exchange. It's a hell of a lot more than I ever made in New York. I don't pay any rent. Taxes are way lower AND I get healthcare. Plus, 21 days of vaycay. And if I re-up my contract I get 2.1k bonus, round-trip tickets anywhere in the world and an extra 2 weeks of vaycay. Also, school isn't in session for about 4 months of the year, plus holidays etc.

Is it stressful? Fuck yeah. Things happen here that would be like front page news anywhere else (i.e. NOT HAVING TEXTBOOKS FOR YOUR 3RD GRADERS or HIRING ENGLISH TEACHERS WHO DONT SPEAK ANY ENGLISH), but you just roll with it. A lot of frusturation comes from wanting to do a good job and just not being able to. It's also a lot of after-hours work: Making Powerpoints, making worksheets, cutting things out, designing signage etc etc. But for the pay and the experience, I think it's worth it. There are ten million things to bitch about here because so many of them come from way-out-left field, but anyone who tells you it isn't a sweet deal is a liar. It's your ability to roll with it, to grapple with the strangeness and take a deep breath that will determine how happy you are.

Besides, what else are you gonna do? Keep working at Gamestop? Plug away at your 9-5? I got to sleep in a 500 year old Buddhist Temple and meditate at dawn with monks last week. I eat weird, new food everyday. I get to live in a city some people only ever see on a map. No matter how much I complain, it's always worth it. Always.

(But yeah, Korea can be a little gay.)
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2010, 01:07:18 AM »
No, Korea as a country has its ups and downs, but it's largely pretty awesome. It's not quite as wealthy or advanced as Japan, but you don't have to deal with that perverted uguu shit.

The state of English education as a whole is kind of a joke. But it pays well when you factor in everything you get, and as long as you do your best to help the kids actually learn something, it's not bad at all.

Yeah but Korea is fugly and it has pushy ajummas and some of the most aggressive drivers in the world. So actually it's not that awesome.

The drivers are INSANE. I watched a CITY BUS blow a red light today. No one pays the slightest attention to traffic lights. People stop dead in the road to wave to friends in a busy city. Also, stop lights fucking suck. They're all like 4-7 minutes long. I can listen to an entire Joanna Newsom song waiting for a light to change :(
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2010, 03:57:28 AM »
They don't really know what to do with me here. Apparently I'm teaching three classes tomorrow, but they're "special classes," so I don't get a co-teacher. However, the kids speak a very low level of English, so I don't think it's going to work out too well. My plan is to use the same lesson plan with every one of the classes, which means that tomorrow will be strictly introduction. The classes are only 45 minutes, but they seem to drag on forever. Teaching the same 45 minute lesson to eight different classes in a week is like watching a really crappy episode of Lost eight times in a row.

My regular classes with regular co-teachers don't start until next week. Not sure what we'll actually do, since no one has discussed lesson plans with me.

Why don't you just make the lesson plans yourself?  That's what I do. :smug
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 04:05:41 AM »
You guys are lucky you have co-teachers at all. I prepare for and teach all my classes alone.

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 04:10:13 AM »
That's what I did last year in the academy. One of the draws of public schools, for me, was that the classes are supposed to be taught with co-teachers. But three months in, I've taught the majority of my classes alone.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2010, 08:37:17 PM »
Here's another mindfuck: Yesterday I walk in any my co-teacher is like "The VP wants you teach more afterschool classes". I'm down with this- They're kind of a fucking pain, but they take place from 2:30-4:30, while I'ms itting on my ass, and I get $25/hr for them. Then she drops the bomb, "It's a 1st grade class and there is no co-teacher".

Let me explain: 1st Graders have not seen the English alphabet yet. So it's my and 35 1st graders for 60 minutes everyday. We do not speak so much as 10 common words between us. I spent all weekend creating, collating, stapling and folding workbooks for letters A-L. I created this huge presentation and edited all this videos for the first day.

The class was a disaster. They just kept shouting HANGOUL HANGOUL HANGOUL TEACHER SPEAKUHH HANGUL (They're asking me to speak Korean. WHICH I DONT DO). So I put on some Yo Gabba Gabba which they roundly HATED, so I moved over to Sesame Street which elicted more cries of HANGOUL HANGOUL SOSANGNIM HANGOUL and then they started crying because I could not make Elmo magically start spitting out Korean.

99 more classes of this. 99 more hours.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2010, 08:49:24 PM »
oh my lulz


HANGOUL MUTHAFUCKA...DO YOU SPEAK IT?!
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 08:08:17 AM »
It's worse in China, at least in  my experience. I almost got punted fifty yards by a city bus that was running a red light in Xi'an. I had the right of way, and I started crossing the street, thinking the bus would come to a stop. I distinctly remember the moment when I realized that I was going to die if I did not jump the fuck out of the way in the next two seconds.  :lol

In Korea it seems like the drivers will stop if you assert yourself and cross the street, but in China it seems like, no, they'll fucking kill you.

This says volumes about you. But it's good that, in some contexts, you can realize when you're outmatched.

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 08:24:26 AM »
Tell them "한굴 못해요. 영어 전용." Hopefully they'll get the idea.

I taught a 1st grade phonics class alone last year. It was tough, but after a few months, some of the kids were able to communicate with me in a rudimentary way. PM me if you want some tips.

How many kids did you have?

My class was a fucking DISASTER. The kids RIPPED THEIR WORKBOOKS that I spent like 15 hours on TO PIECES. They threw all the markers out the window, two FIVE YEAR OLD BOYS got into a bloody nose fist fight. They broke one of my monitors.

I generally don't yell. Especially in class, it's really unhelpful, I find, to create a ME vs. YOU atmosphere in the class. My classes are pretty well behaved because they know I let a lot of little shit slide as long as they don't fuck up my lesson.

But dude, I yelled. I screamed at those kids. I really lost it. 25 of them. 5 ripping shit off the wall, 5 breaking the computers, 5 fighting, 5 running around. Maybe 5 actually coloring in their working. I just can;t handle that many kids- They don't listen to me when I'm nice, they don't listen to me when I yell because they have no idea what I;m saying. Literally the moment a Korean teacher leaves the room they get up and start wreaking havoc. My school doesn't wanna pay for another teacher. I'm thinking I'm going to tell them that it's literally impossible for me to teach these 25 kids on my own. It's literally the same as trying to train an entire litter of puppies- I have no way to rationally communicate with them. I have no leverage in any negotiation.

It really freaked me out. It depressed me. I feel stupid getting all skitzed over a bunch of 5 year olds, but I just can't do it and they run right over me for a solid 60 minutes. Nothing works because I can't explain shit to them.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 08:25:40 AM »
Although, it helped that they didn't understand any English when one of them punched me in the face and I yelled "Get the fuck in your seat!", haha.

I've done 5-10 before. You can handle 5 or 10 of them. But 25 is pure mania.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2010, 08:28:41 AM »
It really wiged me because I don't yell. Like ever. I can think of maybe 3 other occasions in my life where I yelled at someone like I did yesterday. Once was when my landlord dug up all our utilities with a rented backhoe and then had no idea how to put them back together and it was like 110 Illinois summer and I had a stomach virus and this pothead bitch from down the hall was like "Duuuuuuuuuuude dont be mad dont be d you just have to relax" and I LOST MY MIND and I was like "SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. AND GET OUT OF MY HOUSE. YOU DO NOT GET TO TELL ME WHAT TO CHILL OUT ABOUT"


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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 10:31:50 AM »
Yelling is good, they won't remember.

Hang in there, it's not your fault you're stuck in there by yourself. I think it's a good idea to try to explain the insanity of this situation to one of the higher ups. See what happens if you refuse.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 10:44:58 AM »
When communications break down kancho works.  :-*
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 11:31:03 AM »
Tell them "한굴 못해요. 영어 전용." Hopefully they'll get the idea.

I taught a 1st grade phonics class alone last year. It was tough, but after a few months, some of the kids were able to communicate with me in a rudimentary way. PM me if you want some tips.

How many kids did you have?

My class was a fucking DISASTER. The kids RIPPED THEIR WORKBOOKS that I spent like 15 hours on TO PIECES. They threw all the markers out the window, two FIVE YEAR OLD BOYS got into a bloody nose fist fight. They broke one of my monitors.

I generally don't yell. Especially in class, it's really unhelpful, I find, to create a ME vs. YOU atmosphere in the class. My classes are pretty well behaved because they know I let a lot of little shit slide as long as they don't fuck up my lesson.

But dude, I yelled. I screamed at those kids. I really lost it. 25 of them. 5 ripping shit off the wall, 5 breaking the computers, 5 fighting, 5 running around. Maybe 5 actually coloring in their working. I just can;t handle that many kids- They don't listen to me when I'm nice, they don't listen to me when I yell because they have no idea what I;m saying. Literally the moment a Korean teacher leaves the room they get up and start wreaking havoc. My school doesn't wanna pay for another teacher. I'm thinking I'm going to tell them that it's literally impossible for me to teach these 25 kids on my own. It's literally the same as trying to train an entire litter of puppies- I have no way to rationally communicate with them. I have no leverage in any negotiation.

It really freaked me out. It depressed me. I feel stupid getting all skitzed over a bunch of 5 year olds, but I just can't do it and they run right over me for a solid 60 minutes. Nothing works because I can't explain shit to them.

 :lol :lol

Oh man, I really feel bad for you, GilloD. I can't say I've ever taught that many kids--I've got small classes, and the most I've taught is 15. I know what little shits they can be, though, and I know how difficult it is to control them.

And your Korean co-workers probably won't understand why you can't control them because they have zero empathy or perspective. You can invite them to try teaching Korean to a class full of 5-year-old Mexican kids and they still won't get it.

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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 06:46:46 PM »
Don't mean to sound like I'm slamming you, GilloD, but it just shows to me how odd it is that these schools hire people without a background in education or at least conversational knowledge in the language (be it Japanese or Korean).  I was in kind of the same boat you are now, except for the fact that when I started off, I had really good team-teachers with me every class to show me the ropes.  That, and I've only taught high school so the kids already have a basic knowledge of English.

IMO, when these places hire you, they should give you some type of workshops in teaching before you start and even during the semester.  The JET Programme does this twice a year, really helps out especially when you're a newbie.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2010, 07:04:09 PM »
You have my sympathies, GilloD. I've been in a few situations like that, many years ago, and I swear to God it soured me on having kids for years. I just thought I wasn't good with kids at all. It turns out I'm fine with them, just not 15 of them at once in a situation where they know you can't do shit.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2010, 07:11:08 PM »
I'm trying to remember how I learned English when I was in kindergarten.  The thing is, I already knew the alphabet in Spanish so I guess the first thing I did was practice pronunciation, then syllables and stuff like that.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2010, 08:48:26 PM »
Wow, that sucks, GilloD.  When I had classes as bad as that, I was always with a teacher, so I could just sit down and stop the lesson, embarrassing the shittier teachers into doing something to make the kids stop, or let the good teachers take control and shut the kids up or have them tell the class that I was leaving, the fun lesson was now over, etc. etc. 

But when it was bad, it was BAD.  I dreaded going to certain classes.  If I were on my own, I probably would have killed one or two of those kids.   >:(  Is there no way you can just refuse to go to these classes on the grounds that you are not qualified to teach them, at least not without supervision from a Korean teacher?

GS: You can make the kids go outside?  Where I taught, this was frowned upon.  "They all have a right to be in the classroom," I was told.  You know, even the kid who never does his work, doesn't even wear his uniform, and just gets up and walks around, making trouble.  He should totally be allowed to stay in class.   ::)  One time during a parents observation class, this kid got up and ran all over the school, jumping in and out of windows and running around on the balcony outside the school.  Nobody kicked him out or punished him...they just had one teacher chasing after him. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2010, 08:50:46 PM »
When I had bad classes I'd just tell the homeroom teacher, who would usually then give them a serious reprimand and move their seats around.  Dunno if that would even work when they're so young, though.
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2010, 08:54:35 PM »
When I had bad classes I'd just tell the homeroom teacher, who would usually then give them a serious reprimand and move their seats around.  Dunno if that would even work when they're so young, though.

The worst classes I had were always with the same teacher.  He just didn't give a shit about discipline or controlling the class.  The guy was close to retirement (and is retired now) and just wanted to ride out his last few years on the job as easy as possible.  I didn't really have these problems with other teachers.  So basically I found that just stopping what I was doing and standing by a window or sitting down at a desk would get him to at least try to shut the noisier kids up.  Another (Japanese) teacher that worked with him for one school year *hated* his classes more than I did.  She couldn't believe the shit that she saw, with kids misbehaving right in front of him, and him doing absolutely nothing to stop them.

But yeah, those kids lived in fear of their homeroom teachers.  The few times I would tell a HR teacher about a kid misbehaving, they really let them have it.  One time a couple of kids ran up to me, dropped to their knees, and bowed to my feet, begging me not to tell their teacher how they had been acting for the day.   :lol  I did teach at the worst and third-worst junior high schools in the city though.
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2010, 08:58:10 PM »
You never tried to verbally discipline them yourself?  I'd just tell them to be quiet.  Shouted a few times (you have to do this very rarely or it loses its effectiveness) without losing my cool.  Students were shocked that the normally friendly ALT was being all strict and shit so they'd be very quiet for the next few minutes.
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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2010, 10:01:48 PM »
Wow, that sucks, GilloD.  When I had classes as bad as that, I was always with a teacher, so I could just sit down and stop the lesson, embarrassing the shittier teachers into doing something to make the kids stop, or let the good teachers take control and shut the kids up or have them tell the class that I was leaving, the fun lesson was now over, etc. etc. 

But when it was bad, it was BAD.  I dreaded going to certain classes.  If I were on my own, I probably would have killed one or two of those kids.   >:(  Is there no way you can just refuse to go to these classes on the grounds that you are not qualified to teach them, at least not without supervision from a Korean teacher?

GS: You can make the kids go outside?  Where I taught, this was frowned upon.  "They all have a right to be in the classroom," I was told.  You know, even the kid who never does his work, doesn't even wear his uniform, and just gets up and walks around, making trouble.  He should totally be allowed to stay in class.   ::)  One time during a parents observation class, this kid got up and ran all over the school, jumping in and out of windows and running around on the balcony outside the school.  Nobody kicked him out or punished him...they just had one teacher chasing after him. 

I cant send the kids outside- My class is right next to the playground and they just run out the door. At which point it's like. I can't leave the room and leave the 24 other kids unatteneded. What a mess.

I'm going to try one or two new things today and if it goes badly, I just need to say: I cant do this.

I like kids. I'm good with them. But 25 of anything I'd be bad with, let alone 25 foreign kids in a class full of breakable shit.

Ichi- I 100% agree with you. A string part of teh Korean culture is just to LOOK like you're doing something and the English program is no different. They sink millions of bucks into this program just to say they did it. They dont think about training or usable materials or paying for more teachers. They just like to say HEY LOOK WE DID IT!

My othert classes -3rd, 5th and 6th- are all great this year. I have good co-teachers, the kids are mostly respectful (or, at least, they can kind of understand me) and things rae going really well. I just have the hellish last hour of the day whereanything goes.
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2010, 10:05:23 PM »
Have you tried planning a schedule of the activities you're going to do each term?  I find that it really helps me when I can find a goal I'm working towards.
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2010, 10:26:43 PM »
You never tried to verbally discipline them yourself?  I'd just tell them to be quiet.  Shouted a few times (you have to do this very rarely or it loses its effectiveness) without losing my cool.  Students were shocked that the normally friendly ALT was being all strict and shit so they'd be very quiet for the next few minutes.

Sure I did.  In English and Japanese...didn't matter.  These were some of the worst kids out there.  Thankfully this was just a few classes out of many, much better-run ones with kids who did enjoy the classes.  I'm sure I posted this before, about one class where a kid would not stop SINGING (about me) the entire time.  So I calmly picked up an eraser, wiped it on the chalkboard, pointed it at him, and when he didn't stop, I walked up to him and started patting him on the head.  He had chalkdust all over his hair and uniform.  Then I went back to the lesson.  The whole class went silent -except for the kid, who kept on going-   :lol  His girlfriend was also PISSED and started screaming at me.  The kid did stop fucking around with me from the next day on though.  The (soon-to-be-retiring) teacher's response? "Eh...you probably shouldn't do that" in a low voice.  GOOD JON.

BTW, that eraser stuff was suggested to me in a discipline workshop at our yearly ALT conference.   :lol

I cant send the kids outside- My class is right next to the playground and they just run out the door. At which point it's like. I can't leave the room and leave the 24 other kids unatteneded. What a mess.

I'm going to try one or two new things today and if it goes badly, I just need to say: I cant do this.

I like kids. I'm good with them. But 25 of anything I'd be bad with, let alone 25 foreign kids in a class full of breakable shit.


Are you an ALT like those of us are/were in teh Nippon?  I was told that the teacher was always supposed to be with us in class, and that it was a big no-no to be alone with the kids.  That didn't stop it from happening though.
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2010, 10:33:13 PM »
He told YOU you shouldn't do that, or he told the student?  Did you ever tell the soon-to-be-retiring teacher that you needed him to discipline the kids more?
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2010, 10:36:11 PM »
He told YOU you shouldn't do that, or he told the student?  Did you ever tell the soon-to-be-retiring teacher that you needed him to discipline the kids more?

He told me that.  I just shrugged it off.  IIRC that kid's homeroom teacher blasted him and he ended up apologizing to me, chalk-dust and all.   :lol  I helped him get the chalk off after that.

I never did say anything to the teacher.  Just felt that it wasn't my place to do so, and like I said, by this point had found that simply stopping my part of the lesson would force him to have to react.  I had some of the same kids with another teacher for a weekly "advanced" class, and they acted completely different.  Much more willing to participate in the class and answer questions.  Retiree's classes were pretty damn boring.
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2010, 10:37:31 PM »
You should've flat out told him, IMO.
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2010, 10:45:37 PM »
You should've flat out told him, IMO.

It wouldn't have done anything other than cause tension between us.  The guy just couldn't be bothered to do anything.  When I first got there, he was supposed to take me out to lunch and help me buy some home goods.  He takes me to get ramen, then drives me out to a big shopping plaza.  I needed some stuff like towels and linens.  "Yes, they sell those things in here," he says, pointing to this large complex.  Then he turns the car around and dumps me off at my apartment, and goes home.  I stood there, stunned.  I should have brought this up to somebody but I never did.  Pretty much got that kind of treatment by two of the three English teachers (the other guy was really awesome) at my base school, which is why when I had the chance, I switched base schools.  In the end I wish I hadn't just because the new VP they got there later on was a complete bitch.   :lol

Retiree did help out a bit when I broke my leg, taking me to the hospital after school.  It was like two minutes from the school, but hey.  One time I wrote a note asking the doctor various questions, and had a CIR translate it for me.  It started out with "I am not sure that [Retiree] Sensei understands my English, so I would to ask about..." Retiree happened to be there with me that day and saw the note.  That was awkward. 
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2010, 10:47:28 PM »
oh my lulz

See, I would've just asked nicely.  "I can't manage the class on my own so when the students start singing/shouting, I'll stop teaching so you can reprimand them.  Thanks in advance."
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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2010, 11:20:14 PM »
oh my lulz

See, I would've just asked nicely.  "I can't manage the class on my own so when the students start singing/shouting, I'll stop teaching so you can reprimand them.  Thanks in advance."

I pretty much did that, in-class, when stuff like that would happen.  The singing kid was not only obnoxious, but the teacher wouldn't do anything about him, even after I stopped the class.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2010, 11:21:39 PM »
At any rate, you're no longer teaching so the point is moot.  But I'd recommend to GilloD that he speak up when he's in this sort of situation.
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2010, 12:18:46 AM »
At any rate, you're no longer teaching so the point is moot.  But I'd recommend to GilloD that he speak up when he's in this sort of situation.

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GilloD's in a worse situation, so yeah, definitely.  It's really fucked up that these schools higher anyone with a college degree and then just expect them to teach a class of kids in a foreign language by themselves.  But I don't have to tell you that!
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2010, 12:30:46 AM »
lul. I think I see the problem- First grade kids keep running up and down the hallway SCREAMING and no one is taking responsibility for them. It's still an hour before they arrive, I guess they just escaped their classroom and are running the halls. No wonder they're fuckign brats.
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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2010, 12:32:43 AM »
HANGOUL TEACHER PLEASE HANGOUL
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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2010, 01:22:25 AM »
OH GOD THEYYYRREEE COMNING I HEEEARRRRRR THEM
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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2010, 06:57:16 AM »
Man I'm jealous of you guys who speak of "co-teachers." At least it shows your school gives at least one shit, maybe even two shits, about whether their kids learn.

The Koreans at my center have their priorities SO FUCKING BACKWARD. They don't spend money on something useful (like more Korean teachers to assist the foreign teachers); instead, they blow it all on fake cherry blossom trees to put in the hallway. Jesus I swear that they all spent about three weeks obsessing over these trees. Day in and day out, we'd be in the office and the Koreans would be jabbering away in excitement and agitation. We--the FTs--would be curious what the fuck was up, so we'd ask one of the Koreans, and the response would be something like, "Oh, Mr. Kim is disappointed because there was supposed to be a sparrow on one of the trees."

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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2010, 06:58:51 AM »
You're at a hagwon, Tristam?

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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2010, 09:36:19 AM »
It's a publicly funded English center, so I don't have to worry about my boss being shady with my paycheck, but the absence of a Korean co-teacher is a perpetual breach of contract.

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« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2010, 06:44:30 PM »
Today I come in and all the teacher sin my office are upset. I'm like, "Whats up?" and they're like, "The Vice Principal said our office is too messy! We have to clean it up now! She canceled our first class so we can clean".

I flipped the fuck out. I never say anything, but I was like "What kind of school is this? It could be a cultural thing, but this is the stupidest school I've ever been in. They hold meetings ABOUT CLASSES DURING CLASSES and then they CANCEL CLASSES SO WE CAN CELAN OUR OFFICE. I don't work for a janitorial service" (I had to explain that word) "I'll be working on lesson plans in the other room".

Maybe I should have been nicer, but maybe that VP monster should worry more about having properly staffed classes than how private offices look. fuuuuuuuck her.
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« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2010, 06:47:43 PM »
:lol

FWIW, the teachers and students in all Japanese public schools are in charge of cleaning.  Probably the same way in Korea. You should help out, it'll help build camarederie with your co-workers.

I remember thinking that having the students and staff in charge of cleaning their own personal area was a great idea.  Especially for the students, if they're in charge of cleaning their own classroom, makes it less likely they'll mess it up and just leave it for "janitorial services" to clean up.
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« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2010, 06:48:04 PM »
It's also worth noting that while our offices weren't spotless, they certainly weren't a pigsty or anything.
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« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2010, 06:48:58 PM »
:lol

FWIW, the teachers and students in all Japanese public schools are in charge of cleaning.  Probably the same way in Korea. You should help out, it'll help build camarederie with your co-workers.

I clean all the time! I sweep my classroom and scrub my desks. I mop my floors. I'm not against cleaning. I am againt the VP sticking her nose in shit and then CANCELING CLASS so it gets fixed.
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« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2010, 06:50:03 PM »
Maybe they have an inspection coming up or something?  I remember one of my schools going into a tizzy and cancelling classes for the entire day and cleaning up EVERYTHING because some people from the board of education were coming to check things out.
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« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2010, 06:54:08 PM »
I think I see the problem here in all your stories.  You give a shit how the school operates or if kids learn English.  If you took the job for a modest pay raise and a chance to see the world, why not just worry about that?  Who cares about the rest?

I'm actually really glad GilloD doesn't think that way.  If he did, he'd just be propagating the whole "ugly American" stereotype.  Instead, he's doing his best and trying to work hard for the kids.

GilloD rocks. :rock
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« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2010, 07:05:20 PM »
It's really up to him what he makes of his experience.  From my own personal experiences, the school gives you a lot of freedom cause they're not exactly sure what to do with you.  You can either use that freedom to fuck off and not do much, or you can make English-language newsletters, start an English club, etc.
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« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2010, 08:33:30 PM »
I think I see the problem here in all your stories.  You give a shit how the school operates or if kids learn English.  If you took the job for a modest pay raise and a chance to see the world, why not just worry about that?  Who cares about the rest?

I started off this way, but that felt like a lazy cop out to me. I'm literally embarrassed if I feel like I'm not giving 100%. I understand where you come from and part of me really agrees, but I also don't want kids to get caught in the middle. They're still paying me pretty well, I owe them as much as I can. It's not the kids fault they got stuck in a fucked up system.

Anyway, I cooled off a little bit, tidied up and felt better. It just really bothered me that among the ten zillion legitimate things that could have commented on, she chose probably the most irrelevant of the bunch.

Man. Last semester I was cool as a cuke. This semester I'm up the wall. I wonder what changed? I think I'm just stressed this week- I have 4 basic lessons I'm responsible for, plus the 5 after schools. Keeping up onall that right off the line has made me tired, stressed and cranky, I think.
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« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2010, 08:47:36 PM »
Probably has to do with that extra class you're teaching.  It may not seem like much but I remember going from 4 classes a day to 5 and how it left me feeling like crap every day until I got used to it.
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« Reply #56 on: March 10, 2010, 09:08:23 PM »
Uh...you're not a real school teacher.  No offense, and I'm genuinely not trolling you, but no ALT is.
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« Reply #57 on: March 10, 2010, 09:14:05 PM »
It's not even the schools, the ministry of education hires people with the sole requirement that they be native speakers and have bachelor's degrees (doesn't even matter the field you got a degree in) - just 'cause you're a native speaker doesn't mean you can teach the language.

If the governments in Korea and Japan took this shit seriously, it would A) cost a lot more to hire qualified people (which they can't afford because of the state of the economy), and B) put most of us out of a job because we don't have the right qualifications.
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« Reply #58 on: March 10, 2010, 09:20:33 PM »
It's not even the schools, the ministry of education hires people with the sole requirement that they be native speakers and have bachelor's degrees (doesn't even matter the field you got a degree in) - just 'cause you're a native speaker doesn't mean you can teach the language.

If the governments in Korea and Japan took this shit seriously, it would A) cost a lot more to hire qualified people (which they can't afford because of the state of the economy), and B) put most of us out of a job because we don't have the right qualifications.

Part of the problem is that my kids DONT GET A GRADE FOR ENGLISH.

So it's like, "Study math and science or else you'll be a HOBO!" everyday for 10 years and then they're like "Also, you have English. But there's no grade!". So of course the kids are like "What? Fuck this man". There's a ton that could be done on the administrative end beyond hiring better people
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« Reply #59 on: March 10, 2010, 09:27:39 PM »
Students in Japan get graded on their English (a foreign language is a requirement and that means English in 95% of schools), but when the time comes for university entrance exams, all they get tested on is rote memorization of grammar.  So they get graded for memorizing stuff, not for actual fluency or communicative ability.  Which means they have no motivation to study English as a living language, only as a set of rules and specific words they have to memorize for tests.

I actually am responsible for creating the listening portions of final exams and for grading speaking tests, so at least I have more influence than a lot of ALTs do.  In fact, before I came to the schools I work at, they didn't even have speaking tests, which is nuts when you're teaching a class called ORAL Communication.
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