SquareEnix should just fold

[SantaC]

It is remarkable how they have gone from a superpower dev to irrelevancy

-whaaaa it is too hard to make HD towns
-whaaa we need more manpower to remake FFVII(do not want)
-whaaaaaa a rpg must be linear in order to tell a good story 
-whaaaaaaaaa FFXIII was just a test game, wait for FFXV, 

I am playing the 360 version of FFXIII, and it is amazing how shitty this port is. You can see the compression in the videos, the textures are ass and the setting often muddy. Jesus what went wrong, was it the Squaresoft part or just Enix?

[Positive Touch]

thanks for starting this discussion; it was really starting to get on my nerves that no one was talking about it

[SantaC]

Matsuno's FFXII is like 10x better than this shit (FFXII post-Matsuno wasn't as good though)

[Beezy]

Tri-Ace first

[Mupepe]

FF XIII is enjoyable as fuck.  Why the hell do you care so much about graphics?  It's pretty entertaining to me and a lot of others.

But for my personal taste?  They should bring back the win the song.  That's classic.  Bring back world maps.  So much fun.  And don't factor in an Auto Battle next time.  Please

Other than that, they're not bad.

[demi]

Tri-Ace first

co-sign

[Don Flamenco]

FF12 was the pinnacle of FF series. It was on BG level of awesome. As I did not play FF13 yet SquareEnix still rules

think of a game that's the opposite of XII...that's XIII.

[demi]

Yeah

XII - awful

XIII - awesome

[Himu]

FF13 is a decent game that's enjoyable.

Anyways, I've been on the SMT and DQ train for years now so FF doesn't really mean much to me anymore anyways, especially since we have to wait 4 years for a new entry now.

[cool breeze]

SE is publishing Just Cause 2 next week.  They're at the top of their game.

[Bebpo]

Square Enix is awesome

this thread sucks

[Powerslave]

whaaaaaaa nobody could possibly want world maps after 9 games with world maps

[Powerslave]

whaaaaaaaaaa we love using the same visual style ever since FFX over and over again

[Mupepe]

whaaaaaaa nobody could possibly want world maps after 9 games with world maps

fuck you.

whaaaaaaaaaa we love using the same visual style ever since FFX over and over again

fuck you.  VIII and IX were the pinnacle of visual sex for the FF series

[Powerslave]

eh read it again?

[Himu]

Yes, FF10, 11, 12, 13, and now 14 all have the same visual style.

What?

[Bebpo]

again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

[SantaC]

FF XIII is enjoyable as fuck.

how is walking on a straight line fighting color-swapped enemies enjoyable? There is like 2-3 different enemies in every area. Great variation...

again,

this thread sucks

what's so good about FFXIII?

[EmCeeGrammar]

Ok many of you need to know what 'should' means. 
After selling millions of units of dragon quest and final fantasy, worldwide, they 'should' still be in business.  That's what 'should' means.  As long as they can sell interactive fmvs at a profit, they will.  End.

[Himu]

again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.

[TakingBackSunday]

Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think, and at least with XIII the story is actually pretty engaging (relatively speaking, of course).  Now if only we can get some decent character design.  Only ones I'm fond of in this game is Lightning and Fang.  Music is great, too.

tl;dr--SantaC is still dumb and makes stupid comments to get attention.

[Powerslave]

Yes, FF10, 11, 12, 13, and now 14 all have the same visual style.

What?

they all resemble each other a fucking goddamn lot. End of discussion.

[TakingBackSunday]

Not really.  XII had a great distinct style.  Too bad the game blew

[SantaC]

Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think, and at least with XIII the story is actually pretty engaging (relatively speaking, of course).  Now if only we can get some decent character design.  Only ones I'm fond of in this game is Lightning and Fang.  Music is great, too.

tl;dr--SantaC is still dumb and makes stupid comments to get attention.

1) The game is more linear than FFX. In FFX, you had real dungeons atleast
2) The story is good? What what, I take FFX's story of Sin over this l'cie crap.
3) The music is very forgettable, bunch of Jpop and ambient tunes you soon grow tired of. It cant touch FFX's OST.

Who is dumb now? How about admitting you're wrong.

[Himu]

Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think

Replay FF10. Also, it's not only the linearity that hurts FF13, it's the lack of variety. In FF10, you had towns, you had mini-dungeons with puzzles. It wasn't just battle, cutscene, battle cutscene.

Linearity is fine so long as you make the game varied enough to make this set up interesting from beginning to end.

[Himu]

Yes, FF10, 11, 12, 13, and now 14 all have the same visual style.

What?

they all resemble each other a fucking goddamn lot. End of discussion.

No they don't.

[Himu]

When did you get so damn arrogant and cocky, Santa? You were so nice on gaf. What happened? 

[Kestastrophe]

FF12 was the pinnacle of FF series.

Borys

[SantaC]

When did you get so damn arrogant and cocky, Santa? You were so nice on gaf. What happened? 

Meh I am only cocky towards those who are bugging me. No hard feelings really. Also gaf left some sort of bitterness I guess.

edit: FFXII was great, but it did falter when Matsuno left halfway. The first 50% of the game is probably the best Final Fantasy I ever played.

[Powerslave]

Not really.  XII had a great distinct style.  Too bad the game blew

I know, it looked awesome. And the game wasn't bad at all. I just never finished it.

[SantaC]

But seriously, is anyone really enjoying FFXIII's OST? Could it be the worst in the series?

[Bebpo]

again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.

SE has released several GREAT games in the last few years [TLR, BBS, TWEWY, DQIV DS, DQV DS], some love/hate games [FFXIII, FFVII: CC, FFXII RW, FFIII DS, FFIV DS, DQIX, DQVI DS], and barely any "bad" games [].

Nomura has been giving GREAT interviews and Wada and others at SE have been informative people who listen to their fans.  Just look at the newest dedication with Twitter feeds.  Kitase and Toriyama are horrible liars and give PR bs everytime they get interviewed just like most devs in the industry.

SE has made more money than any other non-Nintendo company in Japan in the last year or two.  Selling tens of millions of games.  Most of their games are highly rated on Metacritic.  They acquired Eidos with a great lineup of franchises like Hitman, Thief, Tomb Raider, Just Cause, and Batman & have been giving them good deals on steam and going by JC2 and word with Batman AA2 they haven't been screwing over the western devs at all.

They have great upcoming games with a lot of potential like FFXIV, FFXIII Versus, Agito, 3rd Birthday, a real iphone rpg, Unnamed KH 2010 project, Unnamed KH 2011 Sora project.  Plus tons of unannounced stuff.

Does this sound like a company that should fold?  No, it sounds like a good company doing financially and critically well, appeasing both gamers and investors.  
The only thing that SE could do to improve is speed up the process of game development for major titles so that they only take 2-3 years, instead of 4-5.

[Himu]

again,

this thread sucks


It also sucked last month when we had it



And it sucks when GAF has it once a week.

Get off of S-E's nuts and acting like they don't deserve any of this especially after the extremely stupid comments from them in the past few months.

Anyways, DQ rocks.

SE has released several GREAT games in the last few years [TLR, BBS, TWEWY, DQIV DS, DQV DS], some love/hate games [FFXIII, FFVII: CC, FFXII RW, FFIII DS, FFIV DS, DQIX, DQVI DS], and barely any "bad" games [].

I agree.

But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

[TakingBackSunday]

Final Fantasy 13 is fucking awesome.  It's everything I liked about X's battle and leveling systems (fast-paced, job-specific roles, sphere grid) mixed in with what I wanted fixed with XII's system (management of your team, smart AI, non-confusing class breakdown).

It's no more linear than X was, I think

Replay FF10. Also, it's not only the linearity that hurts FF13, it's the lack of variety. In FF10, you had towns, you had mini-dungeons with puzzles. It wasn't just battle, cutscene, battle cutscene.

Linearity is fine so long as you make the game varied enough to make this set up interesting from beginning to end.

Yeah, true I guess.  I just meant more in terms of game progression.  It would be nice for some more diverse situations.

What the game lacks in progression diversity, it makes up in mechanic diversity.  I just really really love the battle system.  It's probably my favorite system SE has made for a Final Fantasy.  That's why I'm not really bothered by the lack of other aspects...mostly because they aren't really important for my enjoyment.

And yes, I think the l'Cie stuff is far more interesting than the Sin storyline.  Or, rather, I like how this story is told in comparison to X's story.  The emphasis on each character's motivations, where seemingly no one character really stands out as the main protagonist or side "who the fuck cares" character, is very effective to me.  Makes me actually want to use each character (obviously you don't have a choice, heh).

Also, the datalog is great too.  The story summaries are a welcome addition.

edit: and yes, XIII's OST is pretty great.  Just wish it had a bit more fan service.

[SantaC]

I think most rpgs has "datalogs" or just logs that summarize what you have been doing and stuff. It's nice but hardly anything special.

[Bebpo]

But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

Because saying an entire company sucks and should go out of business because you don't like 1 game of theirs is stupid.


People are acting like FFXIII is the only SE game in the last five years and stands for everything the company believes in with game design.  Despite that it's just a single game and almost every game they release has different game design.

[Himu]

When you fight an enemy that isn't fucking around FF13 really shines brighter than a dude pissing on Christmas lights.

[TakingBackSunday]

I think most rpgs has "datalogs" or just logs that summarize what you have been doing and stuff. It's nice but hardly anything special.

Not Final Fantasy

When you fight an enemy that isn't fucking around FF13 really shines brighter than a dude pissing on Christmas lights.

Double true.  When there's a fairly powerful field enemy, I switch paradigms on average....maybe 6-8 times?  There was one where I switched after each completed ATB gauge, and I fucking loved it 

[Kestastrophe]

People are acting like FFXIII is the only SE game in the last five years and stands for everything the company believes in with game design.  

 

[demi]

I agree.

But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, ok.

[SantaC]

I think most rpgs has "datalogs" or just logs that summarize what you have been doing and stuff. It's nice but hardly anything special.

Not Final Fantasy

Okay, that's weird. Well, about time then.

[MCD]

can't wait for FFXIII-2.

[Himu]

But other people have different opinions. Why be hostile because they have different opinions than you?

Because saying an entire company sucks and should go out of business because you don't like 1 game of theirs is stupid.


People are acting like FFXIII is the only SE game in the last five years and stands for everything the company believes in with game design.  Despite that it's just a single game and almost every game they release has different game design.

I agree that people are overreacting, but you have to remember that not all of these people are like us: they rarely play jrpgs. They probably haven't even heard of The World Ends With You or Dragon Quest, and really don't care So we're talking about people that play one jrpg ever few years, and that's Final Fantasy.

So I'm not going to judge others. I think S-E is doing a great job these days: they're now an excellent publisher after the Eidos buy, they've released multiple risky games in the past few years (TLR, TWEWY, even FF13 to a degree). But on the other hand, I can see people's points when they say that S-E is pretty disappointing these days.

Me, I don't give a fuck; I just want Dragon Quest 9.

[SantaC]

can't wait for FFXIII-2.

isn't that basically the FFXIII versus game?

[MCD]

nope.

versus is a vaporware movie.

[Himu]

Versus is a prequel to 13 and looks to have 9999 x the amount of potential. I think it'll be a much much better game than FF13.

Nomura

[Rman]

But seriously, is anyone really enjoying FFXIII's OST? Could it be the worst in the series?

Let's not get crazy now.  XIII's soundtrack is one of the series best, IMO, especially post VIII.  Even those who aren't fans of the game have commented on the great soundtrack.

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[TakingBackSunday]

I'm convinced Versus doesn't even exist anymore.  It's been shifted to KH3

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[SantaC]

Versus is a prequel to 13 and looks to have 9999 x the amount of potential. I think it'll be a much much better game than FF13.

Nomura

shooting for the heights

FFIV will probably be a great MMORPG game, sadly I dont care about those.

[demi]

Until a dev makes a game within an inch of being good as TLR... they are #1

[Himu]

FF13's soundtrack is good, but I don't find it to be the bee's knees like everyone else seems to.

For instance, I can't stand the main battle theme anymore. Not only do we hear it 9999 x during the course of the million battles we have to plow through, but some locations even make the theme the general song for the current area you're in. I'm on chapter 10 and the battle theme is way way way overplayed and I'm sick of it already.

[Himu]

Versus is a prequel to 13 and looks to have 9999 x the amount of potential. I think it'll be a much much better game than FF13.

Nomura

shooting for the heights

FFIV will probably be a great MMORPG game, sadly I dont care about those.

I signed up for FF14 beta.

[Rman]

FF13's soundtrack is good, but I don't find it to be the bee's knees like everyone else seems to.

For instance, I can't stand the main battle theme anymore. Not only do we hear it 9999 x during the course of the million battles we have to plow through, but some locations even make the theme the general song for the current area you're in. I'm on chapter 10 and the battle theme is way way way overplayed and I'm sick of it already.

I've always like it when RPGs changed their battle themes mid game or after some checkpoint.

[SantaC]

FF13's soundtrack is good, but I don't find it to be the bee's knees like everyone else seems to.

For instance, I can't stand the main battle theme anymore. Not only do we hear it 9999 x during the course of the million battles we have to plow through, but some locations even make the theme the general song for the current area you're in. I'm on chapter 10 and the battle theme is way way way overplayed and I'm sick of it already.

I agree, I think FFXIII's soundtrack lack serious variation. You hear the same song too often.

[Himu]

I prefer the SMT/Earthbound route. Give the game multiple battle themes. In SMT3 you have different battle themes depending on location. There's a world map battle theme, there's a town battle theme, there's a dungeon battle theme and more. You have hundreds of tracks and only one regular battle theme? Really?

[SantaC]

I prefer the SMT/Earthbound route. Give the game multiple battle themes. In SMT3 you have different battle themes depending on location. There's a world map battle theme, there's a town battle theme, there's a dungeon battle theme and more. You have hundreds of tracks and only one regular battle theme? Really?

the boss battle is different right? I dont even remember.

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't see how XIII's music variation (or, lack of said variation) differs from the rest of the series except for XII.  You have a main battle theme, a boss battle theme, and then probably an über boss battle theme.

I quite like the regular battle theme for XIII.

[Himu]

I'm also fond of the FF12 route: no battle them period.

Or better yet...

Kingdom Hearts route: make the battle theme a remix of the location you're currently in and merge the tracks together so that whenever you get into an encounter the transition is seamless. Once again Nomura

[Himu]

I don't see how XIII's music variation (or, lack of said variation) differs from the rest of the series except for XII.  You have a main battle theme, a boss battle theme, and then probably an über boss battle theme.

I quite like the regular battle theme for XIII.

You're right. But it's 2010.

[TakingBackSunday]

Eh, I think that's a pretty lame complaint.  You could throw that at any classic series.