Nintendo 3DS

[Smooth Groove]

I completely disagree with Himu's assessment that the PSP is better suited for portable gaming.  Not only does the PSP have longer load times and lower battery life, its library has mostly been filled with games that people are still playing on current consoles.  The PSP is basically the PS2 lite.  The NDS has terribly outdated hardware but it does a much better job of providing gaming experiences that aren't usually found in home consoles.  

Having said that, if I had to pick one system, I'd still go with the PSP.  I just can't stand the DS's butt-ugly 3d graphics.  But that ain't saying much.  Portable gaming is severely overrated by gaming geeks.  Unless you're someone that just aren't at home enough to game on a PC or console, portable gaming is just pointless.  

[TakingBackSunday]

I don't think any internetfag on this board or most of gaf actually views these things as an opportunity to game on the go anymore.  That shit ended with the GBA.  I play most of these game at night before I go to bed.  I think that's generally what these things have become.  I base that off of no particular anecdote and really nothing at all.

[Ichirou]

DS has more variety of games.  PSP games look better.  Own both, like me, and be a winnar.

[Himu]

I completely disagree with Himu's assessment that the PSP is better suited for portable gaming.  Not only does the PSP have longer load times and lower battery life, its library has mostly been filled with games that people are still playing on current consoles.  The PSP is basically the PS2 lite.  The NDS has terribly outdated hardware but it does a much be

Longer load times isn't much of a problem these days. psp is full of games that are great for casual play, especially with its myriad of puzzle games. psp has the better variety of the two as well: better platformers, better strategy games, better puzzle games, better compilations.

That said, ds is no slouch either.

Both systems are rreally good and I can't think of a system war nearly as involving since snes vs genesis. Like with those two systems it's all about player  taste. Genesis had what SNES didn't have (fast paced action games) and snes had genesis lacked for the most part (a better variety of rpgs). Both systems are great and compliment each other.

[TakingBackSunday]

sega had sonic

thus, sega lost

[Himu]

Sega also had Shinobi. Thus, Nintendo lost hard

[MCD]

snes = mega man x

bitch please.

[demi]

LOST HARD

[Oblivion]

Were any specs revealed (cpu, gpu, etc?)?

[Himu]

snes = mega man x

bitch please.

mmx1+2 are snes saving grace when it comes to quick action

[Beezy]

What's wrong with X3?

[Himu]

not big on that one.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I always thought Contact was one of those games that I "never got." Please enlighten us Scenester as to why contact "owns."

I don't think Contact was a good game.  I think it was a game with many interesting concepts that never got an endgame to flesh them out.  But man, it was so surreal.  I would definitely hit up a sequel.

That seems to be Grasshopper Manufacture's pattern.  Make a game with good music, unique art style, fun concepts- release it 6 months early.
 :'(

[EmCeeGrammar]

This whole thread reeks of nerd counterculture bullshit.  The DS is pointless for the same reason the psp is pointless.  Its a portable. If you're an adult I don't understand when you are playing these games that you can't play on a console.  If you have to own one, the ds has concepts that can only be accomplished on its platform (trauma center, elite beat agents) as well a more diverse library.  PSP support has been shit forever now and even when it came out it had like uhh... lumines, c+ games, and capcom remakes that controlled like shit or had performance issues.  I think I liked my psp for about a week and the only game that I could recommend was hot shots golf.

In the interests of integrity I shouldn't be commenting on the psp cus I traded it in when I realised loco roco was shit.  DS is great, stop trying to look cool.

[Ichirou]

EmCee, you have to remember the home audience for these machines is Japan, where public transportation is used by pretty much everyone.  Step into any train or subway in Japan and I will guarantee you will see at least a couple of people playing on DS or PSP - in each train car.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The DS is a stagnant platform that has been that way for about two years now.  It's like what Hotel Dusk was when it came out: everyone likes to talk about how awesome it is but that is only because other people keep saying how awesome it is.  The DS was great for a while.  Then Nintendo decided they weren't going to make games for it anymore.  Developers kept dumping ports onto the thing.  Hardly a good thing, let alone great.  I don't feel like pretending that half assed efforts are somehow a good thing which is why I can't get excited over the state of the DS.

As for the 3DS, boy I can't wait for SE to start rehashing old FF and DQ games again on the thing.  Since it is 3D, they can just go back and start all over again with FFI.  Can't wait to see what Pokemon game Nintendo wants to remake on the thing.  I'll give it a shot but if the DS is any indicator, it is just going to be another port wasteland but this time in 3D.  Maybe we'll get another shit Mario & Luigi game.

[demi]

Maybe we'll get another Etrian Odyssey, or TWEWY

[Ichirou]

The World Continues Without You

[TakingBackSunday]

t exp has such a crusty vagina

[EmCeeGrammar]

EmCee, you have to remember the home audience for these machines is Japan, where public transportation is used by pretty much everyone.  Step into any train or subway in Japan and I will guarantee you will see at least a couple of people playing on DS or PSP - in each train car.

I acknowledge this.  But most of the people here are americans/europeans who don't use public transportation enough to have a practical reason to play portables.

[archie4208]

Maybe we'll get another Etrian Odyssey, or TWEWY

EO3 is coming out soon in Japan which means the English version will probably be out this fall.

[EmCeeGrammar]

The DS is a stagnant platform that has been that way for about two years now.  It's like what Hotel Dusk was when it came out: everyone likes to talk about how awesome it is but that is only because other people keep saying how awesome it is.  The DS was great for a while.  Then Nintendo decided they weren't going to make games for it anymore.  Developers kept dumping ports onto the thing.  Hardly a good thing, let alone great.  I don't feel like pretending that half assed efforts are somehow a good thing which is why I can't get excited over the state of the DS.

As for the 3DS, boy I can't wait for SE to start rehashing old FF and DQ games again on the thing.  Since it is 3D, they can just go back and start all over again with FFI.  Can't wait to see what Pokemon game Nintendo wants to remake on the thing.  I'll give it a shot but if the DS is any indicator, it is just going to be another port wasteland but this time in 3D.  Maybe we'll get another shit Mario & Luigi game.

Buy rhythm heaven you boob.

[Ichirou]

EmCee, you have to remember the home audience for these machines is Japan, where public transportation is used by pretty much everyone.  Step into any train or subway in Japan and I will guarantee you will see at least a couple of people playing on DS or PSP - in each train car.

I acknowledge this.  But most of the people here are americans/europeans who don't use public transportation enough to have a practical reason to play portables.

Yeah, most people in the US play them in spite of the fact that they're portable, imo, or they're little kids who play them at school.

[originalz]

Oh man, imagine a game like Etrian Odyssey using 3D technology.

The DSi is actually really good for a portable machine.  Most of the DSi downloadable games are good for quick gaming, and you can have a few good games on your menu, easily accessible.  It's great when I just need to kill a few minutes waiting for something, pull out a quick game of solitaire or an art style game.

[Oblivion]

Were any specs revealed (cpu, gpu, etc?)?

[EmCeeGrammar]

Were any specs revealed (cpu, gpu, etc?)?

No, all that came out was a dry short press release in pdf format.

[naff]

I'm just hoping for OLED!  Wireless N would also be boss.

Sony has an 11" OLED screen selling for 2k, pretty crazy but then the IPad also has OLED and that's a reasonable price. But yeah, OLED and Wireless N would be really fucking good  Emphasis on the OLED 

The only handheld I've ever owned was a GB colour when I was a kid. And that was only for Pokemon, and even then I didn't really give a fuck. Maybe, but most likely not, I'll try a DS someday. There's occasionally some good shit but it needs to be more integrated with my home console experience for me to bother with one, PSPs getting there in this regard but still not quite.

[originalz]

The Wiz has an OLED touch screen and retails for $150, and Gamepark doesn't have the power that Nintendo does so I'm sure price shouldn't be that much of a problem for them.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

t exp has such a crusty vagina

Better a crusty vagina than a hyperbolic twee hipster.

[TakingBackSunday]

t exp has such a crusty vagina

Better a crusty vagina than a hyperbolic twee hipster.

I'm to most normal vanilla person you'll ever meet.  Nothing hipster about me, turd.

[originalz]

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Raban]

that's fake right? that's like a fucking hologram

LIES

[maxy]

Here's a thought

What if 3DS is a decoy and spotlight is reserved for "Wii HD"...nobody is now talking about it,everybody expects just 3DS...in Japan Nintendo acts like Wii barely exists,a bit suspicious i think

"Wii HD"-better,super precise motion controls,plays Wii games,HD capable,designed to do 3D...

Wii HD...$249
3DS...$199
Wii...$99-$149


That would be fun :usavich

[Raban]

oh man if they drop the Wii to $150 I'm all over that shit like a black man on white women.

[demi]

that's fake right? that's like a fucking hologram

LIES

No man, that vid is real

[originalz]

in Japan Nintendo acts like Wii barely exists,a bit suspicious i think

What the hell are you talking about?  The Wii is "the" system in Japan.

[MCD]

kinda related:

http://kotaku.com/5503312/nintendos-new-ds-will-still-force-you-to-re+buy-your-digital-games

nintendo still living in the dark ages.

[Ichirou]

in Japan Nintendo acts like Wii barely exists,a bit suspicious i think

What the hell are you talking about?  The Wii is "the" system in Japan.

Don't ruin maxy's theory with your "facts"!

[maxy]

in Japan Nintendo acts like Wii barely exists,a bit suspicious i think

What the hell are you talking about?  The Wii is "the" system in Japan.

I am talking about game releases.Nintendo has been pretty lazy this year and third parties are not interested.
NSMB can't do everything alone.

 

[Sho Nuff]

kinda related:

http://kotaku.com/5503312/nintendos-new-ds-will-still-force-you-to-re+buy-your-digital-games

nintendo still living in the dark ages.

Nintendo stalwart and defiant!!!

Just amazing how clueless they are BUT IT DOES NOT EVEN MATTER.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Their internal Network Development Group is half stuck in the dark ages and half not. It's a frustrating experience dealing with the upper management there.

?
You work in the industry?

[EmCeeGrammar]

in Japan Nintendo acts like Wii barely exists,a bit suspicious i think

What the hell are you talking about?  The Wii is "the" system in Japan.

What the hell are you talking about?   The DS/PSP are "the" only systems in Japan with noteworthy sales and support.

[TakingBackSunday]

Anybody who has to re-buy DSiWare games when the 3DS comes out are the ones with the egg on their face.  DSiWare games

[Raban]

Anybody who has to re-buy DSiWare games when the 3DS comes out are the ones with the egg on their face.  DSiWare games

there are some that I want, but nothing worth buying a system for

[TakingBackSunday]

Yeah.  I think the DSiWare service was a test run for them before unveiling a much deeper and more diverse service for 3DS–methinks Virtual Handheld type stuff.

[cool breeze]

and this is why I don't buy anything on wiiware or dsiware even though I want to.  I only bought pictobits and that warioware face tech demo thing because of the free points I got with my DSi.  Pictobits is really good, actually.

[Raban]

when I hear Nintendo/Apple comparisons they're only making more sense. Nintendo is missing so many common-sense things in the digidistro realm that I really wish were there. Virtual Handheld, for instance, or being able to play SNES-era or earlier VC games on the DS.

None of this shit would even be that cumbersome or costly to integrate but just like Apple, they just keep avoiding it like it'll disappear.

I don't understand this shit at all. Why spend R&D bucks on some gimmick like 3D when you could use that cash to let me play Super Metroid on my DS? why not make a handheld to compete directly with the PSPgo by having it be download only, but it can play a majority of the VC library including DSiware?

there's a list as long as God's dick for the kinds of toys Nintendo could've made instead of this. whatever, I don't give a shit anymore.

[demi]

Their internal Network Development Group is half stuck in the dark ages and half not. It's a frustrating experience dealing with the upper management there.

?
You work in the industry?

I can answer this one.




He's under NDA, no more questions.

[originalz]

in Japan Nintendo acts like Wii barely exists,a bit suspicious i think

What the hell are you talking about?  The Wii is "the" system in Japan.

What the hell are you talking about?   The DS/PSP are "the" only systems in Japan with noteworthy sales and support.

I don't really care so much about the sales or whatever the Internet says, but I can see with my own eyes that the Wii is far from lacking support.  It's not as huge as the DS is, of course, but on the console side Wii is what everyone thinks of when you think of videogames now.  Everywhere you go, you see Wii.  At the family department stores, they usually only stock Wii and DS titles, maybe some PSP stuff too but not nearly as much and usually only Monster Hunter shit.  When you buy batteries, they have the icon for the Wii remote on the package.  The majority of people I know own or want a Wii.  It's the same as when people had the mindset of the "PS2=gaming system" last gen.  It has a very strong mindshare, and Nintendo constantly advertises the system on TV and other forms.  You'd have to be insane to think that it's being ignored here.

[drew]

This whole thread reeks of nerd counterculture bullshit.  The DS is pointless for the same reason the psp is pointless.  Its a portable. If you're an adult I don't understand when you are playing these games that you can't play on a console.

you obviously never travel

[Reb]

I used to play DS while watching TV.

[maxy]

 

The announcement, in short, sent the message to U.S. buyers of the $190 Nintendo DSi XL that they are buying technology that will quickly be outdated.
Analysts say the timing of the announcement for the 3DS was definitely poor, but Nintendo’s corporate headquarters was likely trying to get ahead of the rumor mill.

“Apparently, the Japanese press was all over it and talked with suppliers there and Nintendo just wanted to get out ahead by breaking the news to prevent a leak,” says Billy Pigeon, senior analyst with M2 Research. “Does it clash with the DSi XL? Yes it does.

The XL is old news, however, in Japan – and Nintendo is a very Japan-centric organization. This is just the corporate parent in Japan maybe not acting in the best interest of Nintendo of America.”

Officials at Nintendo of America declined to comment about the 3DS announcement or its potential effect on DSi XL sales.

http://www.cnbc.com//id/36087758?

Makes sense.
DS price will probably go down after 3DS price announcement.

[Damian79]

Deadmeat posted this at opa ages, claiming that the 3DS will be ps3 level() and that the psp2 will be weaker than the iPhone.  Anyone that can read japanese clarify this?

[demi]

Leave the Deadmeat crap over there please

[Damian79]

Bubububu I love deadmeat.  His delusions are awesome. 

[TripleA]

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Deadmeat posted this at opa ages, claiming that the 3DS will be ps3 level() and that the psp2 will be weaker than the iPhone.  Anyone that can read japanese clarify this?

Never going to happen, Nintendo aren't foolish enough to pursue that much horsepower for the DS2/3DS.

[Damian79]

Yeah i am guessign that the 3DS will have horsepower equivalent or a little better than the GCN as most people say.  As for the PSP2 i dont know what to think.

[TakingBackSunday]

The 3DS will have graphics a little worse than the Wii...so yeah, a little sub-GC level.

PSP2 will be like Xbox, I'd say.  I base that on nothing.

[pilonv1]

DSi got a $50 price cut here. Of course we were paying ridiculous prices anyway

DS Lite - $199
DSi $249
DSi XL - $299

[originalz]

The article does indeed say that the Tegra thing will be as powerful as PS3's graphics chip.  I'm sure there's other limitations that would make the hardware less powerful overall, but it looks like Nintendo ain't skimping out!