The All-New, All-Different Bore Anime & Manga Thread!

[Ichirou]

Stuff like Naruto are pure entertainment, but I'd say Tezuka and Urusawa are fantastic storytellers.

What manga are you reading?

This is why I mostly stick with drama, seinen, and gekiga. I mostly loath shounen, although it can be entertaining. Stuff like One Piece are exceptions.

I'm amazed you'd classify Urusawa in particular as "entertaining". Urusawa? Entertaining? When I think of "entertaining" I think of a any random shounen manga, that strives to tell stories on the most basic of levels. This is..puzzling. I've never really read anyone describe Urusawa as entertaining.

This kinda makes me wonder what your exposure to so-called hier tier manga is. Do you find anime to be more fulfilling than manga? I find it to be the opposite these days. Manga has more depth, more variety, better writing, and often better art.

Different strokes I guess.

You never answered how many kanji you could read.

[magus]

Bebpo, you've outgrown anime and manga.

Which is weird since you love those cheesy JRPGs.   

it's all about leveling up and finding cool stuff

[Himu]

Bebpo, you've outgrown anime and manga.

Which is weird since you love those cheesy JRPGs.   

it's all about leveling up and finding cool stuff

this would be true if bebpo didn't like xenosaga

[MCD]

xenosaga is the only good rpg though.

[Great Rumbler]

I read some more Teppu today. It was pretty awesome.

[Bebpo]

xenosaga is the only good rpg though.

MCD 

[Himu]

With good anime, like a film, they plan out everything before making it and structure is a main part of it.  Because of the way manga runs over years and years, the writing quality doesn't feel very consistent.

Depends. A lot of manga greats are simple graphic novels and not made for magazines as far as I know. That is the one downside to manga, though: the length of the stories. But I think the more accomplished authors can pull it off. Oda certainly has proved that much, same for Tezuka and a bunch of other authors.

Otoh with anime every year there's always something on par with the best films each year.  Baccano, Tatami Galaxy, Sword of the Stranger, Eva 2.22; It's seems like you don't get manga of that quality, at least not anymore.

This...I disagree with. Even if these are good anime, I wouldn't say they're nearly on par with the best films of each year. What are you comparing them to anyways, stuff like The Dark Knight? I wouldn't even compare them to the best live action tv series on an annual basis either, in terms of storytelling and writing. I find the crap:quality ratio is higher in anime compared to film, tv, music and comics, but in general I think just about any form of entertainment or art has a high crap:quality ratio. But I still wouldn't compare let's say, the best anime of 2009 (whatever the fuck that was) to Moon or A Serious Man or Inglorious Basterds.

Himuro, what are some manga you'd recommend with great stories and writing?

Some good ones off the top of my head.

Licensed (you should be able to find some of these at a local comic shop or a Barnes and Noble):

Adolf - Osamu Tezuka (drama, historical)
Lone Wolf and Cub - Kazuo Koike (drama, historical)
The Push Man and Other Stories - Yoshihiro Tatsumi (short stories)
Abandon the Old in Tokyo - Yoshihiro Tatsumi (short stories)
Good-Bye - Yoshihiro Tatsumi (short stories)
Real - Takehiko Inoue (sports, drama)
MW - Osamu Tezuka (drama, psychological)
Solanin - Inio Asano (drama, slice of life)
Uzumaki - Junji Itou (horror, psychological)
What a Wonderful World - Inio Asano (drama, slice of life)
Buddha - Osamu Tezuka (shounen, adventure)
A Drifting Life - Yoshihiro Tatsami (autobiography)

And you have read Vagabond and Blade the Immortal, correct?

And if you're interested in non-licensed manga, I think I could certainly suggest Vinland Saga and Sanctuary. All of which are highly suggested.

[Vizzys]

inio asano

[Himu]

tatsumi and tezuka

Everyone in this thread should read Adolf, Lone Wolf and Cub, Abandon the Old in Tokyo, MW, Real, Sanctuary, and What a Wonderful World.

[MCD]

only thing i read:

[Himu]

You can preview Tatsumi's licensed work here for free.

http://www.drawnandquarterly.com/shopCatalogLong.php?st=art&art=a41e32e169aff2

[bork]

Yeah I do think in general anime tends to be a better storytelling medium than manga.

With good anime, like a film, they plan out everything before making it and structure is a main part of it.  Because of the way manga runs over years and years, the writing quality doesn't feel very consistent.

I do not agree with this at all.  Perhaps it applies to the endless Jump comics, but there are plenty of great stories in published form.  Himuro named some good ones.

This...I disagree with. Even if these are good anime, I wouldn't say they're nearly on par with the best films of each year. What are you comparing them to anyways, stuff like The Dark Knight? I wouldn't even compare them to the best live action tv series on an annual basis either, in terms of storytelling and writing. I find the crap:quality ratio is higher in anime compared to film, tv, music and comics, but in general I think just about any form of entertainment or art has a high crap:quality ratio. But I still wouldn't compare let's say, the best anime of 2009 (whatever the fuck that was) to Moon or A Serious Man or Inglorious Basterds.

Real talk: Who gives a shit how something compares to the other unless you are making some kind of review?  You like what you like, and not everything has to be top-notch Oscar-quality to be good/great/awesome/amazing/whatever.  There's plenty of great comics n' toons out there that I have enjoyed, but I never looked at any of that stuff as the defining works of our generation, just as some good ol' entertainment.  And that's all I really care about. 

No doubt that anime has gone downhill in recent years, though.  Manga certainly has not.  Blame the anime industry for it.  They release shit that is priced way too high, and only the otaku will buy it, so they just cater to them.  It's really sad.  They aren't doing enough to adapt to the internet age, either.  Release stuff online for iTunes-like prices.  (Yes, I know about places like Crunchyroll but that's not enough, plus that's for the English-speaking audience)

You never answered how many kanji you could read.

Himu

[Himu]

Stuff like Naruto are pure entertainment, but I'd say Tezuka and Urusawa are fantastic storytellers.

What manga are you reading?

This is why I mostly stick with drama, seinen, and gekiga. I mostly loath shounen, although it can be entertaining. Stuff like One Piece are exceptions.

I'm amazed you'd classify Urusawa in particular as "entertaining". Urusawa? Entertaining? When I think of "entertaining" I think of a any random shounen manga, that strives to tell stories on the most basic of levels. This is..puzzling. I've never really read anyone describe Urusawa as entertaining.

This kinda makes me wonder what your exposure to so-called hier tier manga is. Do you find anime to be more fulfilling than manga? I find it to be the opposite these days. Manga has more depth, more variety, better writing, and often better art.

Different strokes I guess.

You never answered how many kanji you could read.

Barely any at all. It's the reason I don't import games.

[Himu]

Real talk: Who gives a shit how something compares to the other unless you are making some kind of review?  You like what you like, and not everything has to be top-notch Oscar-quality to be good/great/awesome/amazing/whatever.  There's plenty of great comics n' toons out there that I have enjoyed, but I never looked at any of that stuff as the defining works of our generation, just as some good ol' entertainment.  And that's all I really care about. 

No doubt that anime has gone downhill in recent years, though.  Manga certainly has not.  Blame the anime industry for it.  They release shit that is priced way too high, and only the otaku will buy it, so they just cater to them.  It's really sad.  They aren't doing enough to adapt to the internet age, either.  Release stuff online for iTunes-like prices.  (Yes, I know about places like Crunchyroll but that's not enough, plus that's for the English-speaking audience)

Exactly. Looney Tunes doesn't have oscar quality writing (whatever that is considering the oscars these days) but they're still classics. There's nothing wrong with liking a good ol fun story. It's when people say "STARS WARS IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER" that it become  hard to take seriously. This doesn't mean Empire Strikes Back ISN'T  a great movie though.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=42953

Bebpo have you read this? It has like 99 reviews on Amazon and has 4 and 1/2 star average. It also won a Tezuka Award.

[Bebpo]

DTB OAV lol

Great Bones art/animation.  Hei is good.  But it didn't add anything to the DTB story.  We pretty much knew all the details from DTB2.  Was hoping for some actual explanations.

Oh well, will keep waiting for DTB3.

[Himu]

http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=42953

Bebpo have you read this? It has like 99 reviews on Amazon and has 4 and 1/2 star average. It also won a Tezuka Award.

the fuck?

Never heard of that.

[Ichirou]

Stuff like Naruto are pure entertainment, but I'd say Tezuka and Urusawa are fantastic storytellers.

What manga are you reading?

This is why I mostly stick with drama, seinen, and gekiga. I mostly loath shounen, although it can be entertaining. Stuff like One Piece are exceptions.

I'm amazed you'd classify Urusawa in particular as "entertaining". Urusawa? Entertaining? When I think of "entertaining" I think of a any random shounen manga, that strives to tell stories on the most basic of levels. This is..puzzling. I've never really read anyone describe Urusawa as entertaining.

This kinda makes me wonder what your exposure to so-called hier tier manga is. Do you find anime to be more fulfilling than manga? I find it to be the opposite these days. Manga has more depth, more variety, better writing, and often better art.

Different strokes I guess.

You never answered how many kanji you could read.

Barely any at all. It's the reason I don't import games.

Then why did you bullshit that you could read manga but you didn't because you preferred to read in your native language?

By barely any, I'm assuming you mean you mean one or two.

[Himu]

Hey, some manga could be in kana for all I know. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Great Rumbler]

No movie or novel has better writing than Yostuba. FACT.

[Ichirou]

Hey, some manga could be in kana for all I know. Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Yeah, you're right, whether they're in Japanese or translated, you'd still be pirating either way.

[Himu]

Depends. Most of the licensed manga I suggest I read at Barnes and Noble. Sometimes I don't buy them though. Makes me feel real guilty when I stumble upon a good manga (or great even) at BN, and can't afford it.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

Bebpo hasn't answered my question He's the only in this thread(to my knowledge) who's fluent.

[Bebpo]

no, never heard of that manga junpei. 

[bork]

Bebpo hasn't answered my question He's the only in this thread(to my knowledge) who's fluent.

ジュンペイちゃんは、いつも超ばかの事するんだねえ～

^___________________^

 :usavich

[Junpei the Tracer!]

Well one of you better buy the book and tell us about since no one has scanned it yet(to my knowledge).

[Bebpo]

Well one of you better buy the book and tell us about since no one has scanned it yet(to my knowledge).

Bebpo hasn't answered my question He's the only in this thread(to my knowledge) who's fluent.

ジュンペイちゃんは、いつも超ばかの事するんだねえ～

^___________________^

 :usavich

Yeah, seems more like Lyte Edge's kind of thing. 

[Himu]

fuck kanji

[Ichirou]

fuck kanji

You will always be a japafag, kanji knowledge or no.

[Himu]

someday i will master kanji

[Ichirou]

someday i will master kanji

Never.

[Himu]

I have a dream...

that one day I will be able to speak  French and Japanese fluently!

[Himu]

Any good manga news at comic-con?

[Ichirou]

I have a dream...

that one day I will be able to speak  French and Japanese fluently!

Je m'apelle Himuro.

[Himu]

French, Japanese, Spanish and English are THE best languages. FACT. The way they all sound is great.

[Ichirou]

Italian rules all.

[magus]

No movie or novel has better writing than Yostuba. FACT.

even if i die...
i'll come back alive

[MCD]

[Junpei the Tracer!]

This thread got ruined. Start talking about manga and anime again.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

http://www.onemanga.com/Darker_Than_Black_-_Shikkoku_no_Hana/20.5/01/

I thought this was old because I KNOW I saw it before.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

I'm reading Yuuhi Romance. It's about a sister who's in love with her brother.

[MCD]

http://www.onemanga.com/Darker_Than_Black_-_Shikkoku_no_Hana/20.5/01/

I thought this was old because I KNOW I saw it before.

yeah it's old but this version is scanned by simple-scans.

[bork]

Well one of you better buy the book and tell us about since no one has scanned it yet(to my knowledge).

Bebpo hasn't answered my question He's the only in this thread(to my knowledge) who's fluent.

ジュンペイちゃんは、いつも超ばかの事するんだねえ～

^___________________^

 :usavich

Yeah, seems more like Lyte Edge's kind of thing. 

Nah, my kanji reading ability is pathetic.

But Himu, a lot of manga do have furigana to make them easier to read.

[Ichirou]

Pretty sure himu doesn't know any katakana or hiragana either, lyte.

[Bebpo]

why is this thread about himuro


btw, anime/manga gaf has been taken over by hardcore otaku in the last month or two.  The threads have gotten...interesting ^^;


Going to watch the Ayakashi Ayashi OAVs soon.  Show was so unpopular when it aired only the first 2 OAVs were ever subbed, no raws existed either.  Bought the US complete collection for $36 just so I can finally see those 5 OAV eps.  Was one of the most bomba shows made.  Definitely Bones' biggest financial bomb.  Poor Bones.  Show wasn't bad.

[Junpei the Tracer!]

I feel those threads have anime/manga snobs who think their taste is better everybody else's paltry taste.

[Purple Filth]

btw, anime/manga gaf has been taken over by hardcore otaku in the last month or two.  The threads have gotten...interesting ^^;

Really?

Haven't seen much difference in the manga thread (though i don't lurk as much as i used to) who are these "hardcore"?

[Bebpo]

btw, anime/manga gaf has been taken over by hardcore otaku in the last month or two.  The threads have gotten...interesting ^^;

Really?

Haven't seen much difference in the manga thread (though i don't lurk as much as i used to) who are these "hardcore"?

I'm guessing you didn't 3 page discussion of hardcore guro yesterday   

[Ichirou]

Himu and Junpei rejected by the culture which they love:

2ch’s usual scathing response lends some insight as to how the closure of the world’s biggest manga piracy site sits with Japanese manga fans.

As ever, not all of their opinions are based on sound information or reason:

“Won’t they just start another site under a new name?”

“The biggest illegal distributor online, eh? Hurry up and destroy the rest.”

“Teach them the consequences of serious crime!”

“Just deleting them won’t stop it – the data will live on forever. You have to put in place fines and make it a serious crime or you’ll never stamp it out. It’s the same with music and movies.”

“With the major source gone I expect the small ones will die off too.”

“Scanlation won’t disappear, but a billion monthly page views is obviously going too far.”

“The industry has brought this strange situation upon itself by not seeking damages. Being forced to pay damages would have set a precedent and discouraged them from being so brazen.”

“Now get rid of Megauploader – they are busy making money off fansubs!”

“Manga is wasted on foreigners. Those outside Japan should stick to reading manhwa!”

“With a billion page views they must have been rolling in it. Best to sue them.”

“The reason it came to this is probably because this content is only that of the yellow races. They should have sued first like Nintendo. They’ve probably got used to scanlation so it’s no good now.”

“Good move. Now do it more with music and movies too.”

“It’s the fault of those idiot publishers for doing nothing. Whilst Hollywood was busy protecting its copyrights they just let it slide. You reap what you sow.”

“With the strong yen they are probably aiming to curb Japanese copying.”

“The disease has spread too far – the market seems to be collapsing like that of anime. It’ll be layoffs and bankruptcies from here on.”

“They enjoy making scanlations – it’s like a club activity to them.”

“It’s like that for fansubs too, but they’re all saying they are helping propagate them. Even the guys writing ero-doujinshi don’t think like that.”

“If you don’t release simultaneously with the Japanese release they will pirate them. They are that committed.”

“They get them even faster than the Japanese regions do. It’s too much…”

“What a bunch of crooks. They make a fortune off donations and advertising revenue. They pretend they are creators and heroes. I want to watch Hollywood movies and American dramas at the same time as their US release. Of course, for free.”

“Overseas manga is ridiculously expensive, so that’s probably behind One Manga’s popularity. However you look at it, ¥2,000 for a single volume is way too much.”

“If the prices drop they’ll just start using censorship as an excuse instead.”

“They wouldn’t buy even if it were cheap. Their anime is far cheaper than in Japan and they still won’t buy.”

The indignation of Japanese anime and manga fans who see themselves having to support an audience of freeloading international fans unwilling to support creators, whilst themselves paying top dollar to ensure even niche audiences can have their needs met, is perhaps not unreasonable, however unsightly its manifestation may be at times.

2ch is so fucking racist.  I don't disagree with them at all on this, though.  Anime in America is SO FUCKING CHEAP and yet people still pirate instead.

[Great Rumbler]

btw, anime/manga gaf has been taken over by hardcore otaku in the last month or two.  The threads have gotten...interesting ^^;

Really?

Haven't seen much difference in the manga thread (though i don't lurk as much as i used to) who are these "hardcore"?

I'm guessing you didn't 3 page discussion of hardcore guro yesterday   

[Bebpo]

Himu and Junpei rejected by the culture which they love:

2ch’s usual scathing response lends some insight as to how the closure of the world’s biggest manga piracy site sits with Japanese manga fans.

As ever, not all of their opinions are based on sound information or reason:

“Won’t they just start another site under a new name?”

“The biggest illegal distributor online, eh? Hurry up and destroy the rest.”

“Teach them the consequences of serious crime!”

“Just deleting them won’t stop it – the data will live on forever. You have to put in place fines and make it a serious crime or you’ll never stamp it out. It’s the same with music and movies.”

“With the major source gone I expect the small ones will die off too.”

“Scanlation won’t disappear, but a billion monthly page views is obviously going too far.”

“The industry has brought this strange situation upon itself by not seeking damages. Being forced to pay damages would have set a precedent and discouraged them from being so brazen.”

“Now get rid of Megauploader – they are busy making money off fansubs!”

“Manga is wasted on foreigners. Those outside Japan should stick to reading manhwa!”

“With a billion page views they must have been rolling in it. Best to sue them.”

“The reason it came to this is probably because this content is only that of the yellow races. They should have sued first like Nintendo. They’ve probably got used to scanlation so it’s no good now.”

“Good move. Now do it more with music and movies too.”

“It’s the fault of those idiot publishers for doing nothing. Whilst Hollywood was busy protecting its copyrights they just let it slide. You reap what you sow.”

“With the strong yen they are probably aiming to curb Japanese copying.”

“The disease has spread too far – the market seems to be collapsing like that of anime. It’ll be layoffs and bankruptcies from here on.”

“They enjoy making scanlations – it’s like a club activity to them.”

“It’s like that for fansubs too, but they’re all saying they are helping propagate them. Even the guys writing ero-doujinshi don’t think like that.”

“If you don’t release simultaneously with the Japanese release they will pirate them. They are that committed.”

“They get them even faster than the Japanese regions do. It’s too much…”

“What a bunch of crooks. They make a fortune off donations and advertising revenue. They pretend they are creators and heroes. I want to watch Hollywood movies and American dramas at the same time as their US release. Of course, for free.”

“Overseas manga is ridiculously expensive, so that’s probably behind One Manga’s popularity. However you look at it, ¥2,000 for a single volume is way too much.”

“If the prices drop they’ll just start using censorship as an excuse instead.”

“They wouldn’t buy even if it were cheap. Their anime is far cheaper than in Japan and they still won’t buy.”

The indignation of Japanese anime and manga fans who see themselves having to support an audience of freeloading international fans unwilling to support creators, whilst themselves paying top dollar to ensure even niche audiences can have their needs met, is perhaps not unreasonable, however unsightly its manifestation may be at times.

2ch is so fucking racist.  I don't disagree with them at all on this, though.  Anime in America is SO FUCKING CHEAP and yet people still pirate instead.

It's perspective.

To a Japanese person who pays $50 for 2eps per disc, $25 for 4eps per disc is "so fucking cheap"
To an American person who pays $25 for like 20+ eps of American TV/American animation, $25 for 4eps of anime is "a fucking ripoff"

[MCD]

Darker than Black Gaiden 1

Chinese Electric Batman kills contractors so fast even Bones studio can't keep up with him.

and oh, nice ending music.

[Ichirou]

Italian rules all.

my bro in law is trilingual - Japanese, English and Italian - plus has a smattering of Portuguese.

:jealous

Italian, Spanish, and English here.  Plus a smattering of Japanese.

[Purple Filth]

btw, anime/manga gaf has been taken over by hardcore otaku in the last month or two.  The threads have gotten...interesting ^^;

Really?

Haven't seen much difference in the manga thread (though i don't lurk as much as i used to) who are these "hardcore"?

I'm guessing you didn't 3 page discussion of hardcore guro yesterday   

oh you mean that.

yea i was checking it out once in a while 

[Mr. Gundam]

Well one of you better buy the book and tell us about since no one has scanned it yet(to my knowledge).

Bebpo hasn't answered my question He's the only in this thread(to my knowledge) who's fluent.

ジュンペイちゃんは、いつも超ばかの事するんだねえ～

^___________________^

 :usavich

Yeah, seems more like Lyte Edge's kind of thing. 

Nah, my kanji reading ability is pathetic.

But Himu, a lot of manga do have furigana to make them easier to read.

My kanji knowledge blows, but I feel comfortable with hiragana and katakana. Doesn't mean I always understand everything, but I can read it just fine.

I also don't read manga, so I'm not sure why I'm even responding.

[Joe Molotov]

Cumbrian here, with a smattering of English and Japanese.

:myhugecock

anyways, time to raid my wifes fecking huge manga cave.

Is that what you call your wife's babymaker?

[Himu]

btw, anime/manga gaf has been taken over by hardcore otaku in the last month or two.  The threads have gotten...interesting ^^;

Really?

Haven't seen much difference in the manga thread (though i don't lurk as much as i used to) who are these "hardcore"?

I'm guessing you didn't 3 page discussion of hardcore guro yesterday   

Pretty much everyone in the thread was mocking that shit and just discussing it for shits and giggles.

[Himu]

Thermae Romae   
テルマエ・ロマエ

[Ichirou]

edit: n/m

[Himu]

I just copy and pasted from the manga updates site.