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McCain LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!
« on: December 19, 2006, 12:23:23 PM »
McCain over the last month has been hardcore  pushing for more troops. A position only 11% of America want to happen. McCain has been leading Hillary in every poll. Let's see how he has done since!

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The latest Newsweek poll shows Hillary Clinton leading John McCain (50-43)

And that is larger than them margin of error. Also apparently his approval among independents has dropped nearly 20% since May.

This man is murdering his chances at winning the general election while he tries to get nominated.  "Republican Insider" is probably the worst thing to be perceived as in a general election these days.

:lol Something is wrong when Hillary Clinton is 7 points higher than you.
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Re: McCain LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2006, 12:27:34 PM »
I was talking about something related this morning:

How is it people can take the very serious issue of impeachment into consideration cause clinton lied about getting a blowjob AND NO ONE DIED.

But no one will really bring up the issue with Bush and Co, who LIED and GOT PEOPLE KILLED.
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2006, 12:28:17 PM »
With that stance, McCain isn't likely to win the primary.  Hillary doesn't have much of a chance either, despite what the mainstream media wants you to think.  Actual people pretty much dislike her.
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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2006, 12:28:52 PM »
Hillary would never be elected president.

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2006, 12:29:04 PM »
With that stance, McCain isn't likely to win the primary.  Hillary doesn't have much of a chance either, despite what the mainstream media wants you to think.  Actual people pretty much dislike her.

I'm ashamed to live in the state where she's a fucking senator. But I didn't vote, so I can't say shit.
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2006, 12:30:30 PM »
With that stance, McCain isn't likely to win the primary.
It's Bush's stance as well. And the Republican primary base still loves Bush.


All of you Hillary bashers you honestly say you'd rather vote for Bush 2.0 than her?

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2006, 12:31:11 PM »
I can trust my state will always vote the way I want, so it really doesnt matter as long as other states continue to 'count more' :p
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2006, 12:32:49 PM »
I can trust my state will always vote the way I want, so it really doesnt matter as long as other states continue to 'count more' :p
I live in a state thats become more and more of a blue state over the years (Dem gov, both dem senators and voted dem for president the last 4 elections) so I understand.  :lol Michigan used to be a swing state but its rather reliably Democratic now.

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2006, 12:36:47 PM »
With that stance, McCain isn't likely to win the primary.
It's Bush's stance as well. And the Republican primary base still loves Bush.



You would be suprsised these days.

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 12:39:22 PM »
With that stance, McCain isn't likely to win the primary.
It's Bush's stance as well. And the Republican primary base still loves Bush.



You would be suprsised these days.
Eh? The base still supports Bush and his policies. He lost basically all independents. But the Republican base still stands by him.

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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2006, 12:40:15 PM »
Doesn't matter. McCain would beat Hillary in any election by default, and you'd be crazy to think otherwise.

He should worry more about John Edwards, assuming he can get a very very good VP (and I don't Barak)
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2006, 12:43:33 PM »
Doesn't matter. McCain would beat Hillary in any election by default, and you'd be crazy to think otherwise.

He should worry more about John Edwards, assuming he can get a very very good VP (and I don't Barak)
McCain could get beaten by Edwards. The "new" Edwards seems a lot better than he did in '04. McCain's positions are VERY VERY unpopular and the word Republican is negative a candidate would have to get over these days.

Recent polling has shown Edwards ahead of McCain as well.

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2006, 12:45:38 PM »
Doesn't matter. McCain would beat Hillary in any election by default, and you'd be crazy to think otherwise.

He should worry more about John Edwards, assuming he can get a very very good VP (and I don't Barak)
McCain could get beaten by Edwards. The "new" Edwards seems a lot better than he did in '04. McCain's positions are VERY VERY unpopular and the word Republican is negative a candidate would have to get over these days.

Recent polling has shown Edwards ahead of McCain as well.

Edwards is going to have a problem competing with Hillary in the primaries, assuming she runs, due to the money issues. Basically anyone who's already in office has an advantage over Edwards in that regard. He's still hundres of thousands of dollars in debt from 2004.

Which makes me wonder...if he loses again this year, what will he do?
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2006, 12:45:54 PM »
Well most people would rather stand by their bad idea for the sake of their pride than admit to their bad ideas and lose some pride.

I've long since given up on politics on a national level. Its become a twisted sport game with an irrational fanbase for each 'team'. Im not bothered that Bush made it into office in the first place, im bothered that accountability isnt a mandate for the highest office in the country.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2006, 12:47:59 PM »
That's one thing that's impressing me about Edwards. Unlike many democrats who voted for the war Edwards is coming out and openly admitting he made a mistake, and that many troops wouldn't have lost their lives if he (and democrats) hadn't voted the way they did.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2006, 12:48:48 PM »
I don't understand liberals who overenthusiastically defend Bubba Clinton but are against his wife's candidacy. They are cut from the same political cloth.


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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2006, 12:49:43 PM »
That's one thing that's impressing me about Edwards. Unlike many democrats who voted for the war Edwards is coming out and openly admitting he made a mistake, and that many troops wouldn't have lost their lives if he (and democrats) hadn't voted the way they did.
Most candidates other than Hillary have admitted it was a mistake to vote for it. Well other than Obama who was against the war since 2002.

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2006, 12:49:57 PM »
Im not defending clinton, im providing contrast the extent of the damage DONE by LIES OF THE PRESIDENT and the reactions received as a result.

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2006, 12:50:11 PM »
Like a good politician, Bush never got his hands dirty.  You'd never be able to proved that he lied, MAF.  If the Democrats thought they'd have something that'd stick - they'd fight him head on.  Instead, we'd just have hearings that drag on and on and on, and would blame whatever administration official will fall on the sword.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2006, 12:51:03 PM »


I don't understand liberals who overenthusiastically defend Bubba Clinton but are against his wife's candidacy. They are cut from the same political cloth.


Bill is charismatic and likable. It's impossible to just not plain like bill. Hillary is the polar opposite of this.

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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2006, 12:52:39 PM »
This is about having any sort of faith or respect in the national govt, I have almost lost all of it. I used to be all HAY LETS VOTE MAKE A DIFFERENCE, but in 8 years I have been shown that my vote does not in fact count, and the President will do what he wants when he wants.

I'd be fine with WA state splitting off on its own, fuck this bullshit.
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2006, 12:54:34 PM »


Bill is charismatic and likable. It's impossible to just not plain like bill. Hillary is the polar opposite of this.


I'm not going to tell you how to vote, but it should be more for what they believe in than how "likeable" they are.

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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2006, 12:55:22 PM »
That's one thing that's impressing me about Edwards. Unlike many democrats who voted for the war Edwards is coming out and openly admitting he made a mistake, and that many troops wouldn't have lost their lives if he (and democrats) hadn't voted the way they did.
Most candidates other than Hillary have admitted it was a mistake to vote for it. Well other than Obama who was against the war since 2002.

To me, Edwards finds a way to make it more personal and beliveable than the Hillarys/Kerrys of the party.
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2006, 12:55:36 PM »
This is about having any sort of faith or respect in the national govt, I have almost lost all of it. I used to be all HAY LETS VOTE MAKE A DIFFERENCE, but in 8 years I have been shown that my vote does not in fact count, and the President will do what he wants when he wants.

I'd be fine with WA state splitting off on its own, fuck this bullshit.

States Rights FTW. It's a shame we don't have a party that actually believes in it. (Even though the Republicans pay it lip service).


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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2006, 12:56:27 PM »
Right on!
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2006, 12:56:36 PM »
This is about having any sort of faith or respect in the national govt, I have almost lost all of it. I used to be all HAY LETS VOTE MAKE A DIFFERENCE, but in 8 years I have been shown that my vote does not in fact count, and the President will do what he wants when he wants.

I'd be fine with WA state splitting off on its own, fuck this bullshit.

States Rights FTW. It's a shame we don't have a party that actually believes in it. (Even though the Republicans pay it lip service).




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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2006, 12:56:39 PM »
I've started a new thread about Kirby:

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=3380.new#new

You should have titled it "JOHN MCCAIN HATES KIRBY!!" Would have been a hot topic.


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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2006, 12:56:46 PM »


Bill is charismatic and likable. It's impossible to just not plain like bill. Hillary is the polar opposite of this.
I'm not going to tell you how to vote, but it should be more for what they believe in than how "likeable" they are.

It's not what I vote on but a lot of un-informed voters vote who the like and "trust" and they can impact things. You can have the smartest candidate with the greatest ideas but if he is a bad speaker and has a boring personality he ain't winning.

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2006, 12:57:29 PM »
That's one thing that's impressing me about Edwards. Unlike many democrats who voted for the war Edwards is coming out and openly admitting he made a mistake, and that many troops wouldn't have lost their lives if he (and democrats) hadn't voted the way they did.
Most candidates other than Hillary have admitted it was a mistake to vote for it. Well other than Obama who was against the war since 2002.

To me, Edwards finds a way to make it more personal and beliveable than the Hillarys/Kerrys of the party.

I ageee. Kerry and the like made it seem like a strategic move. Edwards is a very down to earth type of politician.

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« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2006, 12:58:54 PM »
The system, as it exists now, is not constructed in a way that's beneficial to the constiuents since there's so much power sharing inside the political corridors of D.C. and money with corporate sponsors.

You'd need mass reforms to really correct the political infrastucture of America, and unfortunately, that's our generation's fault.  Every generation has had a responsibility at a certain point in time to fight for what they thought was right - whether it be freedoms or civil rights.  But there's no leadership amongst the youth vote nowadays, and certainly nothing rivaling what generations past have been able to accomplish.

A lot of people have used the excuse that the Baby Boomers have outnumbered their kids, but their time is starting to pass.  We're masters of our own destiny, but I think so many people from 18 - 35 are so focused on their own goals or are too apathetic to want to make a difference.
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2006, 01:00:51 PM »
I hate how the primary system works. The people who vote in primaries tend to be the extreme loyalist members. We end up choosing between two extremes most of the time. McCain's transformation shows this.

I say screw primaries. Have like 5 republicans and 5 democrats on the general ballot and let mass chaos unfold.

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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2006, 01:01:40 PM »
I don't understand liberals who overenthusiastically defend Bubba Clinton but are against his wife's candidacy. They are cut from the same political cloth.


Here's the thing, and it's a distinguished mentally-challenged thing but stay with me:

I'm the most liberal person on these forums we post on.  I think we can all pretty much agree on that.  I DON'T like Bill Clinton as a President, for some of the same reasons you don't but mostly different ones having to do with economic issues important to me. 

HOWEVER.  I feel like I have to defend the Clintons from the Limbaughs, Hannitys, etc of the world because if their viewpoints are given too much support, they get to control the tone of the national debate, which I obviously DON'T want.  So a lot of the time you'll see me troll someone for bashing Clinton over Bush and then sometimes turn around and bash Clinton.  It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.
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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2006, 01:06:15 PM »
A blow job is a blow job, WMD fiasco is another thing.
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2006, 01:06:53 PM »
A blow job is a blow job, WMD fiasco is another thing.
Get Bush to lie under oath about Iraq and we'll talk.

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2006, 01:07:42 PM »
A lie is a lie, under oath or not kiddo.
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2006, 01:08:34 PM »
Get Bush to lie under oath about Iraq and we'll talk.

Yeah, this is the situation.

You can't hold someone accountable in our political system if they're indirectly tied to or have put appropiate buffers between themself and whatever shitstorm they may or may not have created.

Bush isn't a moron.
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2006, 01:09:16 PM »
A lie is a lie, under oath or not kiddo.
Bill got impeached because he lied under oath which is a crime. Bush could claim the sky is green and no one could do anything. He isn't under oath.


Bush has done nothing legally impeachable. Sorry kids but it ain't happening.
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2006, 01:10:35 PM »
Well, Bush could still be held accountable for lying, but the problem is Bush isn't directly tied to any lies.  It's either information he claims he was given by the intelligence community or another administration official.

He can't take the fall unless he's tied to it.
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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2006, 01:10:53 PM »
A blow job is a blow job, WMD fiasco is another thing.
Get Bush to lie under oath about Iraq and we'll talk.

I don't even think they should be going after him for that- I think he was too careful.  The NSA wiretapping now, that's a whole 'nother box of snakes.  I love how the Administration justifies it.

Admin. Drone:  "Our lawyers have looked over the wiretapping and assured us that it's legal."

(hypothetical) Journalist committed to truth:  "How so?"

Admin. Drone:  "Uh, because they said so?"
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2006, 01:11:42 PM »
This impeachment stuff is nonsense anyway. The next election is coming at us quickly it'd be a waste of time and solve nothing.

Unless Iraq becomes a magical land of freedom in 50 years I think Bush has already screwed his hopes of having a good place in history anyway.

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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2006, 01:12:29 PM »
Its a shame people love the letter of our fucked up law so much they'll IGNORE something that is so wrong right in front of their face.

The legal system am fucked six ways from Sunday the instant a person who breaks into your home and hurts themselves can SUE YOU.
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2006, 01:13:19 PM »
Its a shame people love the letter of our fucked up law so much they'll IGNORE something that is so wrong right in front of their face.

The legal system am fucked six ways from Sunday the instant a person who breaks into your home and hurts themselves can SUE YOU.
I think he deserves to be impeached. Definitely. But it just plain is not worth it when there is no legal stability and by the time anything happens with it he'll be out of office anyway.

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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2006, 01:14:45 PM »
I wish we could impeach him and then get THE PERFECT PRESIDENT from some miracle of jesus. As it stands I suspect once again ill have a choice between shitty shitty shitty presidential candidate and crappy shitty poopy candidate.
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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2006, 01:15:05 PM »
Its a shame people love the letter of our fucked up law so much they'll IGNORE something that is so wrong right in front of their face.

The legal system am fucked six ways from Sunday the instant a person who breaks into your home and hurts themselves can SUE YOU.
I think he deserves to be impeached. Definitely. But it just plain is not worth it when there is no legal stability and by the time anything happens with it he'll be out of office anyway.

That's why we need this guy on the case:

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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2006, 01:17:45 PM »
I wish we could impeach him and then get THE PERFECT PRESIDENT from some miracle of jesus. As it stands I suspect once again ill have a choice between shitty shitty shitty presidential candidate and crappy shitty poopy candidate.
Like I said screw the primary system. Let any democrat and republican who wants on the ballot to be on the ballot and let chaos happen where there is no party structure in control.

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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2006, 01:18:47 PM »
Its gonna hurt a lot before it gets better. I hope I live long enough to see a good president. Its a shame politics doesnt allow upward mobility for honest and good people who arent all jesus crazy.
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2006, 01:22:31 PM »
Its gonna hurt a lot before it gets better. I hope I live long enough to see a good president. Its a shame politics doesnt allow upward mobility for honest and good people who arent all jesus crazy.
But you lived under The Gipper. The greatest president since George Washington himself!


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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2006, 01:24:45 PM »
buhh I dunno...
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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2006, 01:31:50 PM »
Well that one sold me. :)
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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2006, 01:32:43 PM »
Well that one sold me. :)
But I had this one ready. :(

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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2006, 01:37:25 PM »
Now I dont like him again.
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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2006, 01:39:14 PM »
Hmm...


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« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2006, 01:40:07 PM »
Ah man, I cant stay mad at him.

Wait a fuck, is his hand doing 'THE SHOCKER/THE STUNNER' ?!??!
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« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2006, 01:40:36 PM »
even ray charles obviously likes him and his weird weird deformed hand.

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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2006, 04:47:41 PM »
PhoenixDark --  if you're going to spit out paragraph after paragraph about John Edwards, then it would be helpful to have completed some research of him before putting your thoughts to keyboard.