Author Topic: Conan's new show announced... (Read 9491 times)

Cheebs · « **Reply #60 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:10:59 PM »

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 12, 2010, 03:10:06 PM

Quote from: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 12, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
There's someone who doesn't think this is a downgrade? He should have just taken the NBC 12am slot.

Exactly

Fuck, you can't even laugh at the absurdity of it without a legion of fake Conan fanboys jumping down your neck anymore.
Since when is a higher budget and more creative control a downgrade?

Fox offered him less money than NBC gave him and no ownership over the program much like at NBC. Should he have taken it just because Fox is a more "prestigious" network? He took the deal that results in ~~a higher quality show.~~ more money. Period.

Full ownership = better show. Conan has proved time and time again he is at his best when he is unrestrained.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #61 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:11:38 PM »

Cheebs straight talk, yo

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #62 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:13:44 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 03:08:37 PM

I'm bowing out of this thread, some of you are being fucking ridiculous. Again, no one is saying the show will suck. They are saying this is a downgrade, which it is, and that TBS sucks. How you can even debate that is beyond me. I didn't know I lived in a world where people gave a fuck about TBS; oh wait, no they don't. They only pretend to because Conan is moving there.

No one is overly debating either of those positions.

1.) TBS isn't hip
2.) TBS isn't a prestigious network.
3.) Those two things could certainly mean "downgrade" in many context to some people.

The first joke Conan made is essentialy this very joke.

Some people care about it on that level. Some people don't because all they care about is the actual show. No one is saying you can't crack wise in either direction.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #63 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:16:12 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 03:10:59 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 12, 2010, 03:10:06 PM
Quote from: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 12, 2010, 03:02:58 PM
There's someone who doesn't think this is a downgrade? He should have just taken the NBC 12am slot.

Exactly

Fuck, you can't even laugh at the absurdity of it without a legion of fake Conan fanboys jumping down your neck anymore.
Since when is a higher budget and more creative control a downgrade?

Fox offered him less money than NBC gave him and no ownership over the program much like at NBC. Should he have taken it just because Fox is a more "prestigious" network? He took the deal that results in ~~a higher quality show.~~ more money. Period.

Full ownership = better show. Conan has proved time and time again he is at his best when he is unrestrained.

Yea but that's not why he took the deal.

Cheebs · « **Reply #64 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:19:52 PM »

Yeah he took it for more money than Fox was offering no one is denying that was his motivating factor but what I care about is the element that results in a better show.

We aren't in the business why the hell should we care about ratings or the prestige of one channel over the other? People stop acting like tv critics, we aren't working for Variety here.

TBS is far from cool. It's a basic cable channel. Obviously. But my point (and others) is Conan is being given full ownership over the program resulted in Conan doing whatever show he wants to do without the weight of trying to tone it down to fit the Tonight Show legacy or NBC exec wishes. Conan gets to do whatever he wants on a nighlty basis. He can be as weird as he wants because of the less pressure to appeal to a wider audience beyond his niche. His niche audience is good enough for TBS. All of this adds up to Conan being funnier for Conan has shown many many times in the past is funniest when he doesn't give a shit. As during the last week of tonight or the writers strike...etc.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #65 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:21:26 PM »

It's funny to see both you and Shake shadowboxing opposite views in the same thread. You guys should just respond to each other instead of the more reasonable bystanders.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #66 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:31:06 PM »

In terms of his career, it's a downgrade. End of story.

As a fan, you can argue that it might result in better material - but the bottom line is that he is moving from the The Tonight Show to basic cable.

Cheebs · « **Reply #67 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:32:09 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 03:31:06 PM

In terms of his career, it's a downgrade. End of story.

As a fan, you can argue that it might result in better material - but the bottom line is that he is moving from the The Tonight Show to basic cable.

I don't disagree with any of those points, its just all that matters to me as a fan is better material and full control is more likely to result in that than the deal Fox was putting forth.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #68 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:33:07 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 03:31:06 PM

In terms of his career, it's a downgrade. End of story.

As a fan, you can argue that it might result in better material - but the bottom line is that he is moving from the The Tonight Show to basic cable.

Willco, telling it like it is

Cheebs · « **Reply #69 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:34:39 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 03:33:07 PM

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 03:31:06 PM
In terms of his career, it's a downgrade. End of story.

As a fan, you can argue that it might result in better material - but the bottom line is that he is moving from the The Tonight Show to basic cable.

Willco, telling it like it is

Yep. Downgrade in prestigious of the show and channel but arguably it will be a far funnier show.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #70 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:35:07 PM »

No one cares if it will be funnier, because no one will be watching. :tbslol

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #71 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:37:04 PM »

Quote from: Nikki Finke

Team Conan also liked the strong lead-in of Family Guy and The Office, as well as the prospect that on cable he could have "more freedom to be creatively more exciting," a source tells us. "And then George [Lopez] called Conan and convinced him to do it."

Conan passes on both networks that produce those shows to go to the network that airs the reruns - what a great lead-in!

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:37:51 PM »

Cheebs · « **Reply #73 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:39:22 PM »

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 03:35:07 PM

No one cares if it will be funnier, because no one will be watching. :tbslol

I should care what other people watch?

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #74 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:39:45 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on April 12, 2010, 03:39:22 PM

Quote from: The Dark Shake 3000 on April 12, 2010, 03:35:07 PM
No one cares if it will be funnier, because no one will be watching. :tbslol
I should care what other people watch?

Other people not watching is why Conan got the boot in the first place

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #75 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:41:10 PM »

Does Conan's target demographic even know TBS exists? They couldn't even find NBC!

... He should just move his show to FunnyOrDie.com at this rate, more people would actually watch it.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #76 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:43:25 PM »

This may be the first time in history that I actually watch something on TBS. Do I even get TBS? I'm not sure.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #77 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:43:37 PM »

I remember telling Cheebs I wouldn't be surprised to see Conan doing a web show like Tom Green in lieu of being on an actual network. I still think that would probably be better (and more creatively freeing

) than this TBS stuff.

But I guess at least with the TBS show he can use his regular crew and ensure they continue to get paying gigs. Lord knows Conan doesn't need the money.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #78 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:47:16 PM »

After Conan gets dumped by TBS once they realize that his target demographic of baked high school/college students and slacker twenty-somethings don't actually watch television, he'll be able to pick from YouTube or Hulu.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #79 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:52:20 PM »

Wait, are you serious? I'd argue those same stoned teen/tweens that you're referring are the ones that watch the Family Guy and Office reruns. It has one of the highest 18-49 demographic ratings of any cable network!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #80 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:53:11 PM »

Wow, of any cable network?

You guys.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #81 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:54:24 PM »

I can't wait for BrandNew to go nuts on Twitter after Conan's show beats out reruns of Man vs. Food in the ratings.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #82 on:** April 12, 2010, 03:58:03 PM »

Why would I care? He'll get his usual demographic and then some with this move. Regardless of whether or not he's on a main network, this was a good move for him for content and financial reasons. As much as I'd like to see him facing off against Leno, I don't care where he is. You shouldn't either.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #83 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:00:07 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 12, 2010, 03:58:03 PM

He'll get his usual demographic and then some with this move.

Yes, he'll definitely get a bump in the ratings by moving from network television to basic cable.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #84 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:02:07 PM »

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying he'll get even more viewership within his core demographic. You're putting words in my mouth because you love to rag on me. It's cool, I know ya'll like when I bitch.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #85 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:03:04 PM »

Moving from NBC to TBS doesn't mean Conan will get MORE viewers. Maybe the first week or so, but after that? Stop kidding yourselves.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #86 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:06:18 PM »

So much for bowing out, Shake.

And also, lulz at people still thinking Conan's going to take Letterman's place.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #87 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:07:57 PM »

Eh, there's no other threads here with anything going on. Plus it's fun to see Conan "fans" jumping through hoops to paint this as some fantastic news.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #88 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:09:20 PM »

It's good news for me because I get to watch him, it's good news for him because he's getting fucking paid. That seems like all around decent news that came out of a really shitty situation.

I'ma pull a Shake and "bow out" before I endure the wrath of the Jew, though.

Himu · « **Reply #89 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:09:21 PM »

I'm a Conan fan and I don't think it's great news outside of the fact he can now do whatever he wants, except now with a much, much smaller budget. I was rooting for Fox.

But like Brand New I'm just glad to see he has a new show.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #90 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:15:24 PM »

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #91 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:27:30 PM »

Himumu:

http://www.thewrap.com/ind-column/how-tbs-out-foxed-fox-why-cocos-going-cable-16206

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Overall, the budget for O'Brien's TBS show will likely be the same as it would've been at Fox. But since the show will be four days vs. five, it will go further.

Himu · « **Reply #92 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:28:41 PM »

Oh nice.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #93 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:29:33 PM »

But is it the same as he had at NBC? And is he likely to get the same guests? Again, the TBS thing is tricky.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #94 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:33:21 PM »

Well obviously it won't have the same budget as TTS, but I can't imagine it being significantly lower.

TEEEPO · « **Reply #95 on:** April 12, 2010, 04:37:52 PM »

DO YOU REALLY WANT TO LIVE FOREVER?

Barry Egan · « **Reply #96 on:** April 12, 2010, 06:06:20 PM »

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So this means on Mondays and Tuesday nights it'll be (Starting at 5:30, if the schedule stays the same) an hour of Friends, half hour of The Office, an hour of Seinfeld, 3 hours of either The Office or Family Guy, then Conan.

Ichirou · « **Reply #97 on:** April 12, 2010, 07:33:30 PM »

Wow...fucking TBS....wow.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #98 on:** April 12, 2010, 08:03:11 PM »

lololololol

Downgrade total. Will still watch show because I like Conan, and with full creative control it has a chance of being funnier. But don't delude yourselves- this is a downgrade. But whatever, fans shouldn't give a shit.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #99 on:** April 12, 2010, 08:19:50 PM »

He doesn't have anyone to answer to here, either, really.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #100 on:** April 12, 2010, 08:23:58 PM »

Quote from: Green Man on April 12, 2010, 08:10:31 PM

Conan is a rich motherfucker, why he didn't just invest in starting an online show like Tom Green is beyond me. He could have done something really special having nobody to answer to.

Conan isn't nearly as subversive as his fans wish he was. Remember when people really thought Conan had bought that fancy car on NBCs dime? Yea.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #101 on:** April 12, 2010, 09:09:05 PM »

I wonder if this means we can get him on Inside the NBA now!?

Ichirou · « **Reply #102 on:** April 12, 2010, 09:21:31 PM »

Why didn't he move to TNT or Turner Classic Movies? Makes about as much sense as this move.

I can just imagine Leno reading about this and laughing his ass off.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #103 on:** April 12, 2010, 09:43:56 PM »

The only thing worse than TBS is if Conan went to TV Land or Animal Planet.

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #104 on:** April 12, 2010, 09:45:11 PM »

Who said Conan having total control would make a better show? Probably be worse.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #105 on:** April 12, 2010, 10:11:04 PM »

You obviously never watched the writer's strike episodes

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #106 on:** April 12, 2010, 10:17:15 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 09:43:56 PM

The only thing worse than TBS is if Conan went to TV Land or Animal Planet.

Nah, it would be worse if he ended up at TruTV or the Golf Channel.

Fresh Prince · « **Reply #107 on:** April 12, 2010, 10:25:48 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 12, 2010, 10:11:04 PM

You obviously never watched the writer's strike episodes

Yes thanks to people like me, Conan got the shaft!

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #108 on:** April 12, 2010, 10:32:03 PM »

Apparently Conan's first reaction after getting the offer was that he didn't want to fuck over Lopez (and who hasn't wanted to, really?), only until he personally assured Conan that him as a leadin at 12 would be better than whatever he's doing at 11 did Conan sign on.

Conan O'thestandupguy

Conan hater distinguished effete fellows

Himu · « **Reply #109 on:** April 12, 2010, 10:33:27 PM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on April 12, 2010, 09:43:56 PM

The only thing worse than TBS is if Conan went to TV Land or Animal Planet.

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #110 on:** April 13, 2010, 12:37:05 AM »

I would watch a Conan show on Animal Planet, if it involved him interviewing animals and shit.

Ichirou · « **Reply #111 on:** April 13, 2010, 12:38:01 AM »

Like Brian Fellow

Shins · « **Reply #112 on:** April 13, 2010, 12:43:22 AM »

Love Conan, didn't watch him on NBC, won't watch him on TBS. Look forward to new random youtube clips and hope his twitter is maintained because that's the one daily thing I've ever kept up with him on.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #113 on:** April 13, 2010, 01:23:22 AM »

you're terrible :'(

The Dark Shake 3000 · « **Reply #114 on:** April 13, 2010, 01:23:47 AM »

Quote from: BrandNew on April 13, 2010, 01:23:22 AM

you're terrible :'(

No, he's an honest Conan fan.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #115 on:** April 14, 2010, 07:35:06 AM »

Maybe his newfound fans will actually watch this show but who are we kidding? :lenowned

Quote from: Shins on April 13, 2010, 12:43:22 AM

Love Conan, didn't watch him on NBC, won't watch him on TBS. Look forward to new random youtube clips and hope his twitter is maintained because that's the one daily thing I've ever kept up with him on.

You are really his target audience.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #116 on:** April 14, 2010, 09:01:41 AM »

how much of a budget would you even need for this show anyways?

mostly just shat jokes and celebs plugging junk.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #117 on:** April 14, 2010, 09:45:27 AM »

Isn't this exactly what he wants? Having a talk show is a hobby to him now. He doesn't need money anymore after NBC bought him off. This is a venue for him to enjoy a low-pressure opportunity to do what he likes, and he gets long weekends. Can't imagine he's too upset about it.

Cheebs · « **Reply #118 on:** April 14, 2010, 09:49:47 AM »

Also here is a big reason why this is good for him. We may all mock TBS but it is the second highest viewed cable channel in the 18-49 demo:
Net   Adults 18-49 (000)
USA   1,292
TBS   1,017
TNT   966
ESPN   830
AEN   795
FX   730
HIST   713
DISC   650
FAM   649
TRU   602

Same with 18-34 (where it crushes Comedy Central, a channel that didn't even rank in the top 10 for 18-49. The channel most wanted him to go to if he didn't go to Fox):
Net   Adults 18-34 (000)
USA   584
TBS   577
MTV   451
TNT   445
ESPN   411
FX   383
AEN   351
CMDY   349
FAM   349
DISC   312

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #119 on:** April 14, 2010, 09:51:40 AM »

Never doubt the power of Sienfeld and Friends re-runs.

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