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Re: The Official Thread of the NBA Playoffs
« Reply #361 on: May 14, 2010, 07:19:29 PM »
That rumor doesn't spread if Delonte doesn't have the face he has.

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« Reply #362 on: May 14, 2010, 07:41:02 PM »
Deng  :lol

But yeah, Noah and Rose and Lebron together could prove to be pretty unstoppable.

If by chance Lebron leaves Cleveland, I just hope they can secure a top free agent to try and replace him.  Maybe Wade.  I would hate to have to root for my Cavs with Mo Williams as their leader  :-\

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If LeBron leaves, the Cavs are done for. At least until they draft a #1 stud from Kentucky or something.
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« Reply #363 on: May 14, 2010, 07:49:29 PM »
Oh, I know that.  But at least give the city some form of a fighting chance by securing a decent player.  :-\
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« Reply #364 on: May 14, 2010, 08:07:45 PM »
Wade is a competitor with killer instinct and a leader. LeBron has neither characteristic. I'm not a LeBron hater, but he has never given me the impression that he has the same drive that Jordan had and Kobe has*.


*Kobe gave up in that game 7 against the Suns, and the finals game against the Celtics. No denying that. But overall no one is more of a competitor than him.
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« Reply #365 on: May 14, 2010, 09:07:37 PM »
That entire post reads like a joke post, but I know you're serious.  smh
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« Reply #366 on: May 15, 2010, 09:14:42 AM »
So when LeBron scored the last 25 of his team's points against the Pistons to get his team to the finals at the age of 23, you didn't see that as killer instinct or competitiveness? Come on now. Not every great player has to fit the Jordan mold completely in order to be a champion - see Shaq, Tim Duncan, Dr J etc. LeBron gave up at the end of game 6, but I don't think I've ever seen anything like that from him before. I'm kind of inclined to believe that something happened behind the scenes to make him decide that he wasn't coming back, and he just checked out mentally to a fatal extent. And that infected the rest of the team.

Wade hasn't exactly covered himself in glory since 2006, lest we forget. Sure, he's had less help than LeBron but he went down to the Celtics too, and first round exits have been the norm. His finest moment since then was the Olympics but in the playoffs, he's had very little success post-Shaq. See also - Kobe before Gasol. Winning a ring as a star perimeter player (i.e. the best player on the team) is just incredibly tough to do. How many have done it without a dominant big man? Jerry West needed Wilt, Magic needed Kareem, Bird needed McHale and Parrish, Kobe needed Shaq or Gasol. Isiah and MJ may be the only ones to have pulled it off in recent memory. Most championship teams have featured a dominant big man who was the top player on the team. There is a distinct lack of nuance in how America views its star athletes - everyone is either a hopeless loser or a glorious winner. The reality is they all just help their TEAMS to a greater-or-lesser extent, and some teams need less help from their stars than others.
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Re: The Official Thread of the NBA Playoffs
« Reply #367 on: May 15, 2010, 11:38:33 AM »
Yeah, I really have no idea what PD is talking about. Winning championships is pretty simple. You either need good defense, A balanced team, A dominant big man, or a Batman and Robin 2 superstar approach. Cleveland is none of those things. Most superstars who win fall into one of those groupings. You can fake your way through some of that but eventually it will catch up to you.

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« Reply #368 on: May 15, 2010, 12:18:02 PM »
Eh, I wouldn't say Cleveland wasn't any of those things.  During the regular season they were the best defensive team in the league, and they had Lebron having great games nearly every game he played.  But whenever a Cleveland team in ANY sport gets into the playoffs, it's like everyone just stops playing.  I really don't understand Cleveland sometimes.
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« Reply #369 on: May 15, 2010, 12:21:21 PM »
It's easy to play the hindsight game especially after a team loses but I think it's pretty clear in this case that you have a very average team being lifted solely by one player. If a team is expecting Antawn Jamison to be their Scottie Pippen then they are in trouble.

At least Kobe has Pau Gasol. And an inside game. And a good coach.

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« Reply #370 on: May 15, 2010, 12:29:16 PM »
Again, I wouldn't say all of their defense was just Lebron doing his chase down blocks: Sideshow Bob, JJ Hickson, Mo, and Parker are all decent to great defensive players.  Yet again, though, they all shit the bed in the playoffs, other than Varejão.

But yeah, Lakers have a bitching team around their star, and one of the best coaches of all time.  If Cleveland had Jackson...*sigh*
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« Reply #371 on: May 15, 2010, 01:00:53 PM »
An exeption doesn't disprove the rule, and even that one isn't great because the Pistons completely gave up in that game.

Wade has basically been injured off and on since 06. My only point is that when I watch LeBron, I see a guy who plays hard as long as he's getting his way. Once things get tough it's a wrap. Wade doesn't do that, Kobe (usually) doesn't do that.

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« Reply #372 on: May 15, 2010, 01:02:24 PM »
That sounds like every other Laker fan post on GAF.
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« Reply #373 on: May 15, 2010, 01:25:40 PM »
Except for the Wade love of course. I have no problems with LeBron. I just haven't really been a fan of his. I watched Melo in high school and college, and watched Wade in college; on the other hand I didn't really pay much attention to LeBron.

What I saw in the last two games was far from a winner or competitor. He checked out mentally, and if I was a Cavs fan I'd be furious
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« Reply #374 on: May 15, 2010, 01:31:30 PM »
If they want to be furious be furious at assembling a squad of pretenders. If they want to be furious at Lebron. Well that is their personal right. Just enjoy the next 20 years of sucking when he leaves.

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« Reply #375 on: May 15, 2010, 01:48:14 PM »
I've had the luxury of being a Lebron fan ever since his freshman year of high school – I lived only about ten minutes away from St. Vincent-St. Mary and my high school would play them in exhibition games pretty frequently.  I went and saw him play both football and basketball games.  Dude's always been fierce.

Actually met him once at a high school party too, but that doesn't really have any impact on the discussion other than he's a really cool dude.
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« Reply #376 on: May 15, 2010, 09:55:17 PM »
Oh come now PD, what was the Heat's win total from a few years back? 19? What was the Cavs' that same year? Please don't talk nonsense.
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« Reply #377 on: May 15, 2010, 09:57:35 PM »
Stoney is right.  LeBron needs a team that is committed to winning a championship, which means getting better players around him, pure and simple.  Hate the Lakers all you want, but Jerry Buss knows how to build championship teams.

The really SCARY prospect, which I outlined already is that the Lakers do a sign-and-trade for Bynum and LeBron. Cleveland would take that deal for sure - otherwise they lose LeBron outright. Other players would need to be involved but it could definitely work. (Artest? Odom? one of them would need to go to free up minutes anyway) Just imagine Kobe, LeBron and Gasol together. In LA. It would be something.
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Re: The Official Thread of the NBA Playoffs
« Reply #378 on: May 15, 2010, 11:33:40 PM »
Heat were far worse though come on
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« Reply #379 on: May 16, 2010, 12:35:42 AM »
They were worse cause Dwyane Wade makes a big deal of getting hurt like Vince Carter and JD Drew, while LeBron plays through injuries like Brett Favre and John McClane.

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« Reply #380 on: May 16, 2010, 01:19:09 AM »
Disgusting lies. Wade is a warrior  :'(

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« Reply #381 on: May 16, 2010, 02:15:07 AM »
kobe an lebron would be hi la ri ous.

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Re: The Official Thread of the NBA Playoffs
« Reply #382 on: May 16, 2010, 05:23:48 PM »
Lakers Celtics finals. Book it.

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« Reply #383 on: May 16, 2010, 05:26:45 PM »
/wrists
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« Reply #384 on: May 16, 2010, 05:47:59 PM »
Lakers Celtics finals. Book it.

Then the Celtics getting obliterated :'(
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« Reply #385 on: May 16, 2010, 05:49:42 PM »
Lakers Celtics finals. Book it.
I really don't wanna see that.

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Re: The Official Thread of the NBA Playoffs
« Reply #386 on: May 16, 2010, 06:16:59 PM »
LEWIS IS SO FUCKING USELESS

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« Reply #387 on: May 16, 2010, 06:41:38 PM »
Lakers Celtics finals. Book it.

Then the Celtics getting obliterated :'(

I would favor the Lakers like most sane people but I also won't count out the Celtics. I think they have shown that the regular season was not the real measure of that team.

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« Reply #388 on: May 16, 2010, 06:44:58 PM »
I would rather see the Magic and Suns, but I doubt that happens.

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« Reply #389 on: May 16, 2010, 06:51:05 PM »
Lewis played for 43 mins, made 2 close up shots, 2 free throws and missed seven 3s.

What the fuck is he getting paid for? ???

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« Reply #390 on: May 16, 2010, 06:57:03 PM »
He needs to be set up.

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« Reply #391 on: May 16, 2010, 08:43:14 PM »
Lakers Celtics finals. Book it.

Then the Celtics getting obliterated :'(

I would favor the Lakers like most sane people but I also won't count out the Celtics. I think they have shown that the regular season was not the real measure of that team.



We'll see what state Bynum is in against the Suns, and then we'll have a much cleared picture. I'm not convinced that the Lakers are any better than they were in 2008 with Bynum hurt. The Celtics have proven they can handle Kobe and Gasol. Gasol folded under constant bruising from Perkins and Garnett, and they bottled up Kobe and countered his scoring very effectively. Rondo of course could well eat them alive, as Fisher can only defend by funneling to the bigs at this point.

Basically, if the Celtics can get past the Magic (who have been paying better than anyone), I see no reason why they couldn't also beat the Lakers. I don't count out the Suns either! Their offense is running even better than ever - 112pts per 100 possessions, ridiculous.
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« Reply #392 on: May 16, 2010, 09:22:32 PM »
The Suns attempt some D these days, even if they don't have a real stopper. Beating a Phil Jackson team depends on hitting your threes. He will always pack the middle. The Suns can pull Bynum/Gasol out on pick n rolls with their shooting bigs. If Frye doesn't hit his threes they are pretty fucked.

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« Reply #393 on: May 16, 2010, 10:32:56 PM »
god dammit celtics
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« Reply #394 on: May 17, 2010, 12:22:56 AM »
He needs to be set up.
Fuck that, he was open for a couple of those shots.

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« Reply #395 on: May 17, 2010, 12:26:48 AM »
Lakers Celtics finals. Book it.

oh goodness
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« Reply #396 on: May 17, 2010, 02:49:59 AM »
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The Phoenix Suns have reacted with a collective smirk to Phil Jackson's suggestion that Steve Nash travels with the basketball.

"It's news to me. I'm fortunate. I don't know if I've been called for a carry yet," he said after the Suns practiced Saturday, then he added straight-faced: "I've never heard anyone accuse me of carrying it. I mean, the best coach in the league Gregg Popovich [of San Antonio] didn't have a problem with it last week."

:lol Phil ethered

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« Reply #397 on: May 17, 2010, 03:38:02 AM »
Van Gundy draws up some crazy good plays (just saw that purposely missed Carter ft); granted the luck of the bounce sealed the deal but it was still nice. Reminds me of Izzo in that sense, especially out of bounds plays

When will Howard learn some post moves?
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« Reply #398 on: May 17, 2010, 03:53:57 AM »
Last year, his lob play to Courtney Lee was almost perfect except for the Courtney Lee part.

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« Reply #399 on: May 17, 2010, 04:07:28 AM »
Last year, his lob play to Courtney Lee was almost perfect except for the Courtney Lee part.
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Re: The Official Thread of the NBA Playoffs
« Reply #400 on: May 17, 2010, 04:50:33 AM »
 :lol

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« Reply #401 on: May 18, 2010, 08:23:20 PM »
FUCK YOU NBA

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« Reply #402 on: May 18, 2010, 10:14:23 PM »
I don't know what the number one pick means for the Wiz. I'm not sure I care anymore. The thrill is gone.
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« Reply #403 on: May 18, 2010, 11:39:38 PM »
Celtics are just kicking ass. I actually think the finals could be pretty darn good.

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« Reply #404 on: May 18, 2010, 11:44:10 PM »
Magic :teehee
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« Reply #405 on: May 19, 2010, 12:13:05 AM »
Apparently the no-contact defensive rules don't apply to the Celtics.

Fucking NBA!   >:(

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« Reply #406 on: May 19, 2010, 12:53:45 AM »
LOL @ Nets

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« Reply #407 on: May 19, 2010, 08:01:30 AM »
I don't know what the number one pick means for the Wiz. I'm not sure I care anymore. The thrill is gone.

It means John Wall. ....and maybe you get Calipari as a bonus.
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« Reply #408 on: May 19, 2010, 08:49:28 AM »
Wow, that sounds boring. Maybe the Wiz can trade the pick for some Redskins tickets and let the fans buy those instead.
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« Reply #409 on: May 19, 2010, 02:37:36 PM »

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« Reply #410 on: May 19, 2010, 04:51:20 PM »
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« Reply #411 on: May 19, 2010, 04:57:57 PM »
omfg the furniture dude :rofl

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« Reply #412 on: May 19, 2010, 09:34:23 PM »
Lakers kicking ass. Suns have no answer for this. Finesse basketball of the type they play isn't going to cut it versus the Lakers.

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« Reply #413 on: May 20, 2010, 11:03:05 AM »
This is the Lakers I remember from the start of the season. I love to watch the Suns, and I love to hate the Lakers, but I have to admit, the Lakers are playing beautifully right now. I bet the Celtics can uglify their shit pretty fast though.

Man, I hope the Conference Finals don't end up being completely one-sided as well. We haven't had a meaningful game 7 yet :(
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« Reply #414 on: May 20, 2010, 11:09:37 AM »
I'm looking forward to the finals. I favor the Lakers but I certainly give the Celtics a fighting chance. The Suns are a fun entertaining basketball team. But when you see them play the Lakers, you see all the flaws that stop them from getting by a team like that. It's like a worst case match-up for them. They may pull one out in Phoenix but its hard to not see this series ending in a sweep or 4-1.

At least the magic have in theory a chance in their series.

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« Reply #415 on: May 20, 2010, 12:50:34 PM »
Suns have been making the same mistake for years. That type of fast offense/no defense isn't going to get them anywhere meaningful, and Nash's career is almost over.

Lakers look unstoppable but doubting the Celtics never seems to work. It should be an interesting series, at least on paper. Lots of series should have been interesting this playoff run, which has been bad overall
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« Reply #416 on: May 20, 2010, 12:53:34 PM »
Sun's style of play got them to the Conference Finals.  It just stopped working because refs stop calling fouls.  What's the point of enforcing less contact during the regular season if Ron Artest is still allowed to play physical defense from 10 yrs ago in the Playoffs?  This is why so many refs think that NBA officiating and the league itself is bullshit. 

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« Reply #417 on: May 20, 2010, 12:56:03 PM »
meh. I disagree. I watched that game and the suns play no defense. They can't stop the lakers from shooting high percentage shots especially because they have no inside defense. And the Lakers are killing them from beyond the 3 point line.

Has nothing to do with the refs imo. The Lakers are simply a much a better team. And worse they are exactly the sort of team that the suns match up poorly against. The Celtics would also roast them.

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« Reply #418 on: May 20, 2010, 12:59:05 PM »
The refs suck but they haven't doomed the Suns. Poor defense and a reliance on jump shots has.

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« Reply #419 on: May 20, 2010, 01:05:53 PM »
Lakers game 1
FG%: 58%
3 PT FG%:47% (8-17)



Lakers game 2

FG%: 57%
3 PT FG%:56% (9-16)   

That's the game and series right there. As competent as the suns are on offense they are equally woeful on defense against a team of the Lakers calibur that can score in multiple ways.