PSN DRM?

[originalz]

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/21/ps3-final-fight-double-impact-requires-psn-connection

Why is no one talking about this?  It's pretty big shit I think!

[demi]

Because it's a PS3, it's only shit when it happens on Xbox

[brob]

I loved Magic Sword on SNES and the nostalgia is enough for me to buy it, but fuck if I'm going to support some draconian bullshit on a platform without piracy! Fuck that noise capcom, like there is some boogieman league of people out there sharing their shit through networks (like sony wanted).

I'd pirate this on principle if I could.  

[originalz]

I'm just amazed that like no one is picking up on this.  The news is a few days old yet it's not all over the place, it seems like it would be pretty damn big news and there would be a huge outcry (since you know they'll use this in future titles), but no one seems to know or care.

Sure, it may not be Assassin's Creed 2 PC or whatever, but this isn't exactly a good sign of things to come and I think it's the first console game that requires an Internet connection.  Apparently if you sign onto another PS3 to play it, you can't switch back and play it for 24 hours.

[maxy]

Because people don't care much about PSN(PS3) and SDF is   protect the hive.

I read little about it and it seems to be game sharing related.Stupid move...
In last few weeks Sony has

-removed other os
-some form of online drm

All that on a platform that has zero piracy...makes no sense
And users(buyers) where not notified about this prior to the purchase.

I am sure that some people will try to blame Capcom,but nothing comes to PS3 without Sony blessing.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'm just amazed that like no one is picking up on this.  The news is a few days old yet it's not all over the place, it seems like it would be pretty damn big news and there would be a huge outcry (since you know they'll use this in future titles), but no one seems to know or care.

Sure, it may not be Assassin's Creed 2 PC or whatever, but this isn't exactly a good sign of things to come and I think it's the first console game that requires an Internet connection.  Apparently if you sign onto another PS3 to play it, you can't switch back and play it for 24 hours.

It's like demi said.

And it's worse than that - even another profile on the same console can't play the game within 24 hours.

[naff]

I think there's a reasonable amount of game sharing with PSN games, just get a friend to have an account on your PS (no gamertag recovery needed with PS3) then you can download whatever they've downloaded off their account. Log them out log in with your profile (or play offline) and you can play their games. I haven't done this for ages so it might not be as easy as it used to be. Obviously this DRM takes shit to another extreme 

I hope it doesn't catch on. I'll def be buying more stuff on 360 if it does.


I wonder why they didn't do the same thing for 360? A console with a far more prevalent piracy scene.

[cool breeze]

yeah, it because of how broken game sharing is, they came up with this broken solution.  maybe if they had demos for psn games there would be less reasons to game share, but not even games with demos on the 360 have demos when they come to PSN.  Even the community games give you a certain amount of time to demo the game.

[Third]

Is this a PSN game? So everyone who buys this has an internet connection. Who cares that you'll have to be signed-in for this to work??

Now if this were a retail release it would've been distinguished mentally-challenged. But I don't see any distinguished mentally-challenged in this solution.

[Ichirou]

Except if your internet connection is interrupted for whatever reason, you get kicked out of the game?  It's stupid, and I really hope this isn't the future.  I would not buy a game that had this and I hope this shit won't happen to XBLA games.

[muckhole]

Is this a PSN game? So everyone who buys this has an internet connection. Who cares that you'll have to be signed-in for this to work??

Now if this were a retail release it would've been distinguished mentally-challenged. But I don't see any distinguished mentally-challenged in this solution.

The game store I help out at during the winter offers high speed internet access for people in the surrounding rural areas so they can update their machines/buy online content. We get a fair amount of folks in who simply cannot get high speed where they are coming in to buy Live/PSN titles. Once you get outside of major cities, availability of any kind of high speed internet can drop off severely. Even the new wireless broadband I'm using right now up at the lake (which is plenty fast) gives me issues if I try to connect to Live or PSN.

In the grand scheme, I'm sure this is a small percentage of people, but it's still annoying as hell when markets outside of highspeed internet penetration find these restrictions in place.

[Bebpo]

I'm just amazed that like no one is picking up on this.  The news is a few days old yet it's not all over the place, it seems like it would be pretty damn big news and there would be a huge outcry (since you know they'll use this in future titles), but no one seems to know or care.

Sure, it may not be Assassin's Creed 2 PC or whatever, but this isn't exactly a good sign of things to come and I think it's the first console game that requires an Internet connection.  Apparently if you sign onto another PS3 to play it, you can't switch back and play it for 24 hours.

There was a GIANT thread on gaf when it was discovered with all the sbots and xbots and wiitards flaming the shit out of Capcom for it.  Like 2 guys defended it and they got destroyed by everyone else.

The response to it was so bad that Capcom is trying to contact the right people to get the DRM removed from the title.  Capcom did it as a test because they wanted to blame game-sharing on shitty PSN sales and the test blew up in their face.

And since the jostiq thread doesn't make it clear, this is entirely CAPCOM doing this and not Sony's new DRM or anything.

[Bebpo]

Here's the GAF thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=393560

and Capcom's original statement on the issue:

I'll try to be short. Yes, there is DRM. This was employed to combat the rampant "PSN Sharing" that has been going on over the last year. We're sorry that your family cannot play the game on their individual accounts (same console). This is a limitation of the Sony network. We are not committed to do this with all titles moving forward but the only way to evaluate impact was to try it with one title first.

To be honest, you could just log in as yourself and allow them to play. I understand there is a principle here, but we would appreciate your understanding of our position while doling out your criticism.

Either way, we appreciate you as a fan and I have mentioned your concern to the team.

Take care and sorry for the trouble,

[ManaByte]

FYI if Sony does catch and prove that you are sharing your PSN account to share games they will ban it. It's just reaaaaaaaaaaly hard for them to prove.

[ManaByte]

http://us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/ps_playstation_network_oct_07.html

Except as stated in this Agreement, all content and software provided through PSN are licensed non-exclusively and revocably to you, your children and children for whom you are a legal guardian (collectively for purposes of this section, "You" or "Your"), solely for Your personal, private, non-transferable, non-commercial, limited use on a limited number of activated PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment systems, PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) systems, and any other hardware devices authorized by SCEA in the country in which your PSN account is registered.

You cannot share games. Sony states it right there. The license extends to YOU and your immediately family, not YOU and four friends you meet on some random message board.

[Purple Filth]

Except if your internet connection is interrupted for whatever reason, you get kicked out of the game?  It's stupid, and I really hope this isn't the future.  I would not buy a game that had this and I hope this shit won't happen to XBLA games.

You dont actually, it just uses it when you start the game. If you lose it during the game it works as normal.

I think that step wasn't needed, use the 24 lockout thing to curb sharing, not also some internet check.

[naff]

Except if your internet connection is interrupted for whatever reason, you get kicked out of the game?  It's stupid, and I really hope this isn't the future.  I would not buy a game that had this and I hope this shit won't happen to XBLA games.

You dont actually, it just uses it when you start the game. If you lose it during the game it works as normal.

I think that step wasn't needed, use the 24 lockout thing to curb sharing, not also some internet check.

Unless you actually are game sharing I don't see how the 24 lockout thing would be a problem. I went online and read the terms and conditions for the new DRM, it is in no way like Ubi's craziness, like purple filth said it just checks at startup that you're logged into a legitimate PSN account, the 24 lockout thing is not entirely necessary but for the method to really work there does need to be some sort of lockout. For instance if it only checked at startup like it does then you could instantly sign out once logging in and then somebody else could log in and start up the game. It was either have persistent checks throughout the games process resulting in logout if your internet goes down or a lockout for a period of time.

Also you can still game share with this drm. Just need to make sure you're done with the game before sharing. This only prevents simultaneous playing with people you've shared with.

While this is Sonys fault for the type of implementation they decided to use with PSN games, the fact that your girlfriend or friends/flatmates can have a different login (on the same PS3) and play the full PSN games you paid for on your PS3 is cool. As you most likely know if you have an xbox and multiple accounts any account which doesn't own a game another account has downloaded will only see a demo for that game hence Xbox doesn't have this problem.

edit: I was wrong  :'(

[The Sceneman]

My sister has a gtag on my Xbox, she can sign in as herself and play Peggle that I downloaded, unlock achievements and everything.

Recovered gamertags and/or Xbox live enabled tags have the trial version DRM thing going on I think.

[naff]

My sister has a gtag on my Xbox, she can sign in as herself and play Peggle that I downloaded, unlock achievements and everything.

Recovered gamertags and/or Xbox live enabled tags have the trial version DRM thing going on I think.

yeah I was basing this off the time I recovered my gtag at your place. Me annihilated I assumed the whole recover gtag thing meant your account would work in the same way as any other account.

MS programmers smarter than Sony programmers confirmed. So I guess Sony fail with having piracy enabled so easily on their console (without modding) .

[AdmiralViscen]

Any gamertag on an XBox can play the full version of any DLC as long as the DLC was purchased on that XBox or the license transfer tool was used for that XBox.