Nintendo: Victory over Sony complete. Apple is "enemy of the furture"

[Skidmark]

I really don't see how the iphone games are a threat to nintendo. Are they really?

[Eel O'Brian]

make a complex $30 game for the DS, sell 3000 copies

make a tilt n' flick $1.99 game for Apple, sell 150,000 copies

[TripleA]

I really don't see how the iphone games are a threat to nintendo. Are they really?

No.

The iPhone is a threat as a portable multimedia device, so realistically, it's Sony who have to up the ante with the PSP 2.

As a portable gaming platform, the iPhone is a joke compared to the DS.

[Great Rumbler]

But anyone who has played games for years should know that right now it's stale as all hell. It would be much better to just quit and do something useful in the meantime. When things get better, we can start playing again.

I can't agree with this. A lot of the huge massive budget titles have sort of congealed into fast-paced dude-bro first-person shootering, but there's so much variety coming in through smaller developers and two-man groups and from Europe that have been plugging some of the holes left by the big-time American developers.

So the Wii has tanked from a games perspective. Okay, I think most people here agree with that. I also think most people agree with what I've said about the major Western devs as well. But it's hardly the case that they aren't making anything worth playing. I've got a whole huge list of games I'd like to be playing, I just don't have the money at the moment to get them, so I'm playing some of the smaller, cheaper titles [along with catching up on my backlog] and I don't really regret it at all.

[TripleA]

As a portable gaming platform, the iPhone is a joke compared to the DS.

except it's not. Shame. At least your Blingyendough overlords aren't as dumb as their fanbase and can see that the iphone/pad are something to be concerned about.

Yeah, the iPhone is definitely on par with the DS in terms of portable gaming.

Brb, g2g lmao.

[ManaByte]

As a portable gaming platform, the iPhone is a joke compared to the DS.

except it's not. Shame. At least your Blingyendough overlords aren't as dumb as their fanbase and can see that the iphone/pad are something to be concerned about.

Yeah, the iPhone is definitely on par with the DS in terms of portable gaming.

Brb, g2g lmao.

You're right. It's superior to the DS both in hardware power and publisher support.

[pilonv1]

make a complex $30 game for the DS, sell 3000 copies

make a tilt n' flick $1.99 game for Apple, sell 150,000 copies

Make a $6 iPhone port of a $30 DS game, sell 50,0000 copies.

Everyone ignoring or negatively spinning the iPhone/iPad as gaming devices have their head in the sand. You can claim it's not a similar gaming experience, and not appealing to gamers. Which is correct, it's appealing to everyone, which is a much larger market.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Wait.  Critter Crunch and Fruit Ninja were made by GAF members?

Ewww.  Now I feel dirty.

[chronovore]

Nintendo fans are proof that two nukes just weren't enough.

Dude. Exceedingly lame.

[AdmiralViscen]

I really don't see how the iphone games are a threat to nintendo. Are they really?

No.

The iPhone is a threat as a portable multimedia device, so realistically, it's Sony who have to up the ante with the PSP 2.

As a portable gaming platform, the iPhone is a joke compared to the DS.

Nintendo pushed DS into the multimedia space with the introduction of DSi, and PSP games are a few degrees of separation further from the iPhone than DS games are.

[pilonv1]

Wait.  Critter Crunch and Fruit Ninja were made by GAF members?

Ewww.  Now I feel dirty.

Fruit Ninja is by Australiand dev Halfbrick Studios which is where Rlan from Gamerbytes works.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/10/halfbrick-shares-fruit-ninja-sales-numbers-how-to-succeed-on-th/

Joystiq: You sent out a press release before the weekend claiming 140,000 copies sold of your iPhone/iPod Touch game, Fruit Ninja. What's the current total at?

Luke Muscat: Over 200,000 now. That's a pretty big milestone for us, we are very happy to have achieved such great success in a market that can be pretty unpredictable. If you're reading this and have purchased the game – you rule the App store!

[Don Flamenco]

make a complex $30 game for the DS, sell 3000 copies

make a tilt n' flick $1.99 game for Apple, sell 150,000 copies

eat it ninthings!

52,000 $1.99 tilt and flick games at 150,000 copies each = 7 BILLION 800 MILLION PIECES OF SOFTWARE SOLD.  Thus, iPhone quality is better than HD consoles.

[chronovore]

Dude. Exceedingly lame.

http://digg.com/politics/NH_State_Rep_Anime_Example_of_Why_2_Nukes_Weren_t_Enough

Yeah, actually, I caught the reference. I just don't think it's appropriate to trot out for a laugh.

[Ichirou]

Plenty of people here have joked about bombing Japan, chronovore.

[TripleA]

Yeah, the iPhone is definitely on par with the DS in terms of portable gaming.

hey, well, i LIKE the DS a lot. Think it's got a ton of great games. But guess what? So does the iphone! Yeah i know, crazy huh?

What stuff have you played on the Iphone?

Examples.

I don't have an iPhone, but I've used my brothers Touch to play the definitive iPod game:

Scrabble.

[TripleA]

Oh, a port.

[Beezy]

Oh, a port.

Sounds on par with the DS to me.

[TripleA]

Oh, a port.

Sounds on par with the DS to me.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

[tiesto]

Sooo... Nintendo is increasingly going after the casual market, which means shallow flash games and Farmville type shits galore.

And on the consoles, all you have is your extremely high-budget market-tested games, afraid to take risks.

What happens to the mid budget, niche, outside of the mainstream games (usually the games I like fall into this category) after all this?

[Raban]

What happens to the mid budget, niche, outside of the mainstream games (usually the games I like fall into this category) after all this?

They go to the PC and iPhone OS.

[Beezy]

Oh, a port.

Sounds on par with the DS to me.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

no

[Raban]

Hey it's TripleA shitting up another Nintendo thread. Rad.

[chronovore]

Plenty of people here have joked about bombing Japan, chronovore.

Yeah, and I shake my head every time.

[AdmiralViscen]

TripleA paid a premium for portable GTA - and was damn proud of it!

Hey, it's weird that iPhone got Chinatown Wars and not Liberty City Stories, considering that it's Sony who should be worried about Apple.

[TripleA]

Oh, a port.

Sounds on par with the DS to me.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

no

Yes.

[TripleA]

don't have an iPhone, but I've used my brothers Touch to play the definitive iPod game:

Scrabble.

Ah, so arguing with authority but from a position of ignorance of the subject matter?

Smells of generic nintendo fan ITT.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

lol, and why did it get ported? oh that's right - shitty third party sales on a nintendo platform! What a massive surprise that was!!!

You must have missed the part where I said I played the iPods premium game offering.

Oh. But I thought only Ninfags and Wiitards brought up sales   :'(

[TripleA]

TripleA paid a premium for portable GTA - and was damn proud of it!

Hey, it's weird that iPhone got Chinatown Wars and not Liberty City Stories, considering that it's Sony who should be worried about Apple.

I paid for a great DS game that was later ported to other platforms 

[ManaByte]

don't have an iPhone, but I've used my brothers Touch to play the definitive iPod game:

Scrabble.

Ah, so arguing with authority but from a position of ignorance of the subject matter?

Smells of generic nintendo fan ITT.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

lol, and why did it get ported? oh that's right - shitty third party sales on a nintendo platform! What a massive surprise that was!!!

You must have missed the part where I said I played the iPods premium game offering.

Oh. But I thought only Ninfags and Wiitards brought up sales   :'(

You played Chaos Rings?

[Beezy]

Oh, a port.

Sounds on par with the DS to me.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

no

Yes.

iPhone getting a port of a game sounds on par with an original DS game being ported to other handhelds? Am I missing something?

[pilonv1]

Football Manager 2010 . Handheld one looks a bit too limited for my liking but I'm sure it's awesome.

Some others from my phone

I Dig It
Draw Race
Defender Chronicles
Star Defense
Transformers G1 Awakening
GeoDefense
GeoDefense Swarm
HomeRun Battle
Word Ace
Plants V Zombies
Zenonia

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Some of the better ones from my iphone....

Space Miner: Space Ore Bust
Bookworm
Virtual Villagers 2 & 3
Peggle
Yard Sale: Hidden Treasures.....seriously, I love this series
Zenonia
Chaos Rings
Edge
Return To Mysterious Island
1112....episode 2 is FINALLY out
[youtube=560,345]IXzDjdKopa4[/youtube]

[tiesto]

Can't even begin to imagine playing ESPGaluda 2 on a touch screen...

[TripleA]

Oh, a port.

Sounds on par with the DS to me.

Actually, it sounds on par with DS games such as ChinaTown Wars being ported to other platforms.

no

Yes.

iPhone getting a port of a game sounds on par with an original DS game being ported to other handhelds? Am I missing something?

You're missing the part where game A (ESPGaluda) was ported to the iPod, and game B (ChinaTown Wars) was also ported to the iPod.

iPort sounds about right atm.

[Beezy]

And you're missing the part where half of the games on the DS are ports.

[TripleA]

You must have missed the part where I said I played the iPods premium game offering.

you played Scrabble - which, online, is still a great game - but hey - if you want to claim you know how the entire iphone games catalogue is off -one- title then be my guest to run around with your 'tard flag flying.

Oh. But I thought only Ninfags and Wiitards brought up sales

you aren't - third party developers do it all the time, looks like more and more are voting with their feet too.

Case here is a little different - you're trying to make some point about a DS game being ported, when the reason it was ported was it's failure on the host platform, whilst on the iphone it's been full of win.

Weird you wouldn't mention this game-so-great-it-got-ported as one of the host of premium titles on the iphone. But hey, doesn't matter. You don't think the iphone is a threat, nintendo do, and day on day more iphone games get made, downloaded and played. Sucks for you to miss out.


Anyways, list of great portable games content on iphone , off the top of my head - there's a fuckton more:

Esp.Ga.Luda 2
Canabalt
Chaos Rings
Angry Birds
Space Invaders: Infinity Gene
Dungeon Hunter
Football Manager 2010
Field Runners
Fargoal
Bejeweled 2
Retro Defense
WordJong
Drop7

No, the case isn't different at all. But I absolutely commend you for trying to convince me otherwise.

Now, as for those great iPhone games...I really think you're joking, 'cause if you're seriously trying to tell me that the iPhone is on the same level as the DS due to WordJong and Bejeweled, then well, maybe you should get back to talking about 3rd party sales on Nintendo platforms.

As for Apple being a future threat to Nintendo, you know, maybe you're right. Maybe after a dozen more ports, the iPhone will be a viable gaming platform like/as the DS.

[TripleA]

And you're missing the part where half of the games on the DS are ports.

Half of the DSs great games are ports?

Thanks for the laugh Beezy 

[Himu]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

[TripleA]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Factually speaking, the majority of the DSs great games are not ports.

[TripleA]

Maybe after a dozen more ports, the iPhone will be a viable gaming platform like/as the DS.

Viable in terms of what, Sales? it's already there.

Hmm, I could have sworn we were talking about games.

[Beezy]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Half of the games that matter then. I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

[Himu]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Factually speaking, the majority of the DSs great games are not ports.

I agree, but you have to see where Beezy is coming from. Many of the better rpg games like Shiren or FF4 are flat out remakes or ports.

[TripleA]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Half of the games that matter then. I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

That doesn't play compadre, we're talking about great games - not popular games.

[Himu]

I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

I will never get this either. Most of the people putting it on par with ps2 probably didn't have one anyways.

[Himu]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Half of the games that matter then. I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

That doesn't play compadre, we're talking about great games - not popular games.

Uh, many of the games we're talking about aren't that popular.

[Beezy]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Half of the games that matter then. I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

That doesn't play compadre, we're talking about great games - not popular games.

I didn't say anything about popularity. If I did then shit like Scribblenauts would be included and that's hardly a game.

Real talk: DS has a lot of good games, but few great games. Most are forgotten once you're done with them.

[TripleA]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Factually speaking, the majority of the DSs great games are not ports.

I agree, but you have to see where Beezy is coming from. Many of the better rpg games like Shiren or FF4 are flat out remakes or ports.

True, and many of the great rpg titles like TWEWY, Partners in time, 6 Pokemon games or so, etc are not ports.

[Himu]

Real talk: DS has a lot of good games, but few great games. Most are forgotten once you're done with them.

agreed

[TripleA]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Half of the games that matter then. I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

That doesn't play compadre, we're talking about great games - not popular games.

I didn't say anything about popularity. If I did then shit like Scribblenauts would be included and that's hardly a game.

Real talk: DS has a lot of good games, but few great games.

Scribblenauts is a great Nintendo DS game, I have no doubt that Scribblenauts 2 will address some of the complaints lodged at Scribblenauts 1.

Depends on what you consider good and what you consider great.

[TripleA]

You're using the pokemon games to support your argument? Really?

I'm dying to know what's wrong with Pokemon.

[TripleA]

Half is a tad large a number, but that doesn't change the fact a lot of the better games on the system are ports/remakes.

Half of the games that matter then. I'll never understand why some people try to put it on the same level as the PS2 or SNES.

That doesn't play compadre, we're talking about great games - not popular games.

Uh, many of the games we're talking about aren't that popular.

Hence the reason why I said we're talking about great games.

[Himu]

What are great ds games then?

[Himu]

You're using the pokemon games to support your argument? Really?

I'm dying to know what's wrong with Pokemon.

Every iteration is like a port or a remake of its predecessor.

Heck, two of the games ARE remakes and just came out a month ago!

[TripleA]

What are great ds games then?

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&platform=1026&mode=top&sort=score&page_type=games&dlx_type=all&date_filter=all&sortdir=asc&official=all

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ds/scores/

http://ds.ign.com/index/top-reviewed.html

Start with these 3 ^, if you need more sources let me know.

[Himu]

 

[TripleA]

You're using the pokemon games to support your argument? Really?

I'm dying to know what's wrong with Pokemon.

Every iteration is like a port or a remake of its predecessor.

Opinions, everyone has them.

[TripleA]

Something wrong

[Beezy]

See what I mean?

I've played a lot of games on that metacritic list, but I don't see anything that I would actually call great. Most DS games are forgettable and leave no impression. Or maybe it's just me. Maybe I have a problem with handheld games.

[TripleA]

Oh, so now it's ok to play the opinion card? I've been dying to use it to defend the iPhone game library.

"Every iteration is like a port or a remake of its predecessor."

"Opinions, everyone has them."

The problem is you're not bringing facts to the table when talking about the Pokemon games on the DS.

Hence the line, "opinions, everyone has them".

[Himu]

See what I mean?

I've played a lot of games on that metacritic list, but I don't see anything that I would actually call great. Most DS games are forgettable and leave no impression. Or maybe it's just me. Maybe I have a problem with handheld games.

No, I agree. The problem with ds is the distinct lack of action-based games. It's a big story-based system, and honestly, games like rpgs are best on tvs so you can soak them in, in my opinion. This is why I prefer psp: more emphasis on pick up and play games. Now that's not to say ds doesn't have great pick up and play games.

Yoshi's Island ds and Canvas Curse are the shit.

[TripleA]

I'm still dying to know what's wrong with Pokemon.