Green Shinobi vindicated part 2

[Himu]

Let's see the Boogs defend this

DETROIT — Seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was asleep on the living room sofa in her family's apartment when Detroit police searching for a homicide suspect burst in and an officer's gun went off, fatally striking the girl in the neck, family members say.

Her father, 25-year-old Charles Jones, told The Detroit News he had just gone to bed early Sunday after covering his daughter with her favorite Disney princess blanket when he heard a flash grenade followed by a gunshot. When he rushed into the living room, he said, police forced him to lie on the ground, with his face in his daughter's blood.

"I'll never be the same. That's my only daughter,"

"I saw them (police) running with my daughter out of the house. They had my mother on the floor, and they just kept me there for like two hours," Jones, 25, told The Detroit News. "I knew it was bad, and they probably had my baby at the hospital, because someone asked me if she had any allergies.

"Her blood was everywhere and I was trying to stay calm, but nobody would talk to me. None of them even tried to console me."

The officers had a search warrant and were looking for a 34-year-old man suspected in the shooting death of 17-year-old Jarean Blake. Officers arrested the suspect during the search, Godbee said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/17/aiyana-jones-7-year-old-s_n_578246.html

Scum of the Earth.

[Ichirou]

Fucking cops.

[Positive Touch]

but at least a brutal murderer is off the streets, right guys?

[Himu]

You mean to say that investigations AREN'T like fucking third person shooters?

[Himu]

Apparently the flash bang resulted in a confrontation with the grandmother and the gun went off unintentionally. GJ GUYS, YOU'RE PROS

[Beezy]

Cops get away with way too much shit.

[Himu]

but at least a brutal murderer is off the streets, right guys?

The actual suspect was in the apartment BELOW theirs

[Himu]

All killers are psychopaths so the only way to resolve taking these guys in when you know where they supposedly are is by throwing a flash grenade and storming into any apartment you think may contain the suspect. If Intel supposedly knew where this guy was and was keeping tabs, why was this necessary?

Probably a distinguished black fellow.

[The Fake Shemp]

Cops get away with way too much shit.

I don't understand this. What happened here is a tragedy and nobody will defend it, but we now hate ALL cops because of a few distinguished mentally-challenged fellows?

[Ichirou]

Cops get away with way too much shit.

I don't understand this. What happened here is a tragedy and nobody will defend it, but we now hate ALL cops because of a few distinguished mentally-challenged fellows?

Most cops are authoritarian assholes with tiny dicks.

[The Fake Shemp]

Most cops are authoritarian assholes with tiny dicks.

 

[Ichirou]

Most cops are authoritarian assholes with tiny dicks.

 

That's why they become cops, so they can get a gun to compensate for their tiny manhood.

[The Fake Shemp]

 

[Beezy]

Cops get away with way too much shit.

I don't understand this. What happened here is a tragedy and nobody will defend it, but we now hate ALL cops because of a few distinguished mentally-challenged fellows?

Where did I say I hate all cops? I do assume that the majority of them are dicks, but I've met a couple myself that aren't.

I just hate the fact that usually when you hear about situations like this, they don't face any real punishment.

[Ichirou]

See: Amadou Diallou.

Cops are fucking thugs, by and large.

[Eric P]

Cops get away with way too much shit.

I don't understand this. What happened here is a tragedy and nobody will defend it, but we now hate ALL cops because of a few distinguished mentally-challenged fellows?

yes.

but then i have troubles with authority anyway

which is hard to defend when i'm a statist.

[Diunx]

cops

[brob]

What are the odds that these officers are fired as a direct result of this? I mean, how can people read news stories like this and not dislike police if these officers stay employed? Try that dude for 1st degree murder or summat.

That's why people "hate" police. They read these stories about officers stepping over the line and there is never a follow up story about the officers being reprimanded or fired or held accountable in any real sense. Or if there is a follow up story it never reaches even a quarter of the audience the initial story did.

[The Fake Shemp]

I hate all people that work for Microsoft because that one admin on Xbox Live abused his power.

I hate all firefighters because this guy and this guy actually started the fires they were called to fight.

I hate all teachers because this P.E. teacher sexually abused a minor.

I hate pretty much everyone, because there is always a percentage that abuse their profession and/or assholes.

[demi]

What does Boogie think of this?

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100511/NEWS02/5110365

Fucking pigs.

[fistfulofmetal]

sounds like an unfortunate accident. i'd say the blame can be placed mostly on the homicide suspect.

[BlueTsunami]

Absolutely horrible but I always found the use of a childs death like this as some form of ammo against police brutality and excessive force a bit tasteless.

[Eric P]

I hate pretty much everyone, because there is always a percentage that abuse their profession and/or assholes.

i hate all screenwriters because of whitta

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm sure this will be all over the news. Oh wait, she's black and from Detroit? nm

[Beezy]

I can't tell if Willco is being serious or not. SMH if he is.

[Boogie]

What does Boogie think of this?

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100511/NEWS02/5110365

Fucking pigs.

There must be some SERIOUSLY bad reporting here, because by my reading, it sure seems as if that police officer is being put on trial for his actions, and if convicted, will be punished by up to 11 years in prison.  That can't be right, can it?  After all, I learned on the internet that cops get to beat and shoot people with impunity, and never face any consequences or accountability for their actions.

[demi]

Did you see the video boogie?

[Boogie]

Did you see the video boogie?

yes

[demi]

Fucking pigs. Scum of the earth.

[Boogie]

Fucking pigs. Scum of the earth.

'kay

[Beezy]

and if convicted, will be punished by up to 11 years in prison.

that's funny

[tehjaybo]

Oh look, another one of these threads where we all try to bait the only one with the balls to defend his profession.  And we do a fucking terrible job of it by taking isolated cases and making it seem the norm.






Awesome.

[Himu]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/17/aiyana-jones-7-year-old-s_n_578246.html

All killers are psychopaths so the only way to resolve taking these guys in when you know where they supposedly are is by throwing a flash grenade and storming into any apartment you think may contain the suspect. If Intel supposedly knew where this guy was and was keeping tabs, why was this necessary?

Probably a distinguished black fellow.

Himuro, girl was black:

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Detroit cops

I was talking about the suspect: murder suspect + black person + excessive trigger happy cops = let's kill everyone in the building, they're all suspects. And because he's black he definitely killed that 17 year old kid, so we're going to use force anyways and storm apartments with flash bangs!

[Skidmark]

I stand with the fake shimp on this one. What happened was a tragedy whether it was by accident or not and such tragedies can happen in most professions.
I might criticize the way they force themselves into peoples homes but what I not going to do is hate policemen because of what happened.
I know that some are obviously trying to 'troll' because of what happened in the previous post but I am going to leave this comment here anyway.

[brawndolicious]

Can somebody tell me why you would punish the cop for an accident?

It's like you guys have no idea how to actually run a police force.

If a SWAT guy goes into a dark house that he believes a murderer is in and shoots when he sees suspicious movement than who can really blame him?  This isn't like Rainbow 6 where you can turn on heat vision and stick a spycam under the door to mark targets.

If you need to feel morally certain that everything is right or wrong than get the fuck out of the real world.

[Skidmark]

It is the policeman that puts his life on the line for us to live safely and not we who do so for him to do his job.

[Beezy]

Can somebody tell me why you would punish the cop for an accident?

Because any other person would be punished for the same accident.

[Flannel Boy]

It is the policeman that puts his life on the line for us to live safely and not we who do so for him to do his job.

n/m read that incorrectly.

Can somebody tell me why you would punish the cop for an accident?

Because any other person would be punished for the same accident.

The rest of us aren't agents of the state exercising its monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force.

[Flannel Boy]

I assumed he was saying that since the police protect us, they should be given the benefit of the doubt. In which case, I was obviously disagreeing.

[Flannel Boy]

My mistake. I re-read his post.

People need to read less etoilete and more Strunk and White.

[Eric P]

the policeman protects us and it is his duty to place his life on the line to do his job
the citizen  does not owe the policeman the citizen's life to ensure the policeman does his job

is what he's saying

[brawndolicious]

Can somebody tell me why you would punish the cop for an accident?

Because any other person would be punished for the same accident.

If he went in the right apartment,assuming that only the killer was in there, would you be angry if they shot before clearly seeing the killer's face or knowing if he was armed?

The question is what went wrong and how do you fix it for the future?  I mean, this isn't about the drug war.  This is about a murderer.  Any legal system would exercise the same amount of force in apprehending him.

The problem to me would more likely be that there's not enough safeguards to make sure that the wrong address isn't given.  It makes no sense to say that the officer should be strung up for first-degree murder.

[Beezy]

I'm not gonna get into 'if's.

[Oblivion]

It is the policeman that puts his life on the line for us to live safely and not we who do so for him to do his job.

n/m read that incorrectly.

Can somebody tell me why you would punish the cop for an accident?

Because any other person would be punished for the same accident.

The rest of us aren't agents of the state exercising its monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force.

MALEK!!

[Skidmark]

I'm not gonna get into 'if's.

but what if you do?

[Kestastrophe]

Michigan Radio says that the officer's gun was accidentally discharged when the cop got tangled up with the victim's grandmother.

[brawndolicious]

Have you ever gotten in trouble at work for "an accident" Am Nintenho?  Because I sure have, and it didn't involve shooting a child.  Are you suggesting double standards?

Okay but who do you blame?  I think the SWAT guy was handling it exactly how he was trained to do, with the mistake coming from the guy who gave the intel.  Possibly he counted the wrong number of windows/floors or he just copied a number wrong or something but it's hard to understand punishing somebody, with a murder charge, when it's a mistake anybody could make.  If you want a solution that prevents this from happening in the future then change the procedures for confirming a suspects address or something.  Don't just throw people in prison.

Edit: I'm not sure what to say wrt it being a discharge or not so I think we'll have to wait for more facts to come in.  My guess is that officer won't want to handle a gun ever again.

[Mupepe]

I love how some people are trying to make it seem like this cop kicked down a random door and shot down a 7 year old girl and then exclaimed "fuck yeah!" while drinking a beer.

[TakingBackSunday]

I keep thinking this thread is about the Avatar TV show, so I come in here ready to lol

then I see the OP 

[Ichirou]

Have you ever gotten in trouble at work for "an accident" Am Nintenho?  Because I sure have, and it didn't involve shooting a child.  Are you suggesting double standards?

According to a previous post of his, nintenho either is or used to be a police officer, which explains his way of thinking to me perfectly.

I think what he's trying to do is incredibly fucking stupid, trying to absolve some cops because they were sloppy and killed a fucking kid or saying it's okay to kill someone if you THINK he's a killer or you THINK he's armed even though you have no idea whether this is the case or not, but if that's the way a typical cop thinks, it explains a looooot.

[brawndolicious]

No, I've served as an election officer before.  Those are the people who set up polling stations and help you with your ballots during elections.  That is a once-every-6-months 12 hour job where I get paid for basically showing up (I mainly use it as study time).  It's easy money and although it's a government job and has "officer" in the title, it's not in any way comparable to trying to apprehend a fucking murderer.

[Ichirou]

Okay.  I still think it's pretty much full-on distinguished mentally-challenged to say "Oh, he got the wrong apartment building, maybe he counted the windows wrong, it's not his fault, it was an accident."  When you're a cop and you're dealing with life-and-death situations, it's your fucking RESPONSIBILITY to be a little more careful and maybe double or triple-count the windows before you go in with weaponry to apprehend a suspect.  A little girl is dead and most likely nothing is going to happen to the guy; that doesn't make it right, or moral.

If you're not ready to take that responsibility on, find another job or transfer to another division doing clerical work or whatever.

[Ichirou]

If he went in the right apartment,assuming that only the killer was in there, would you be angry if they shot before clearly seeing the killer's face or knowing if he was armed?

You're saying it's okay to go into an apartment, assuming (not knowing, assuming) that the only dude in the apt. is the killer  and that it is then totally OK to shoot whoever the dude in the apartment is without verifying that it IS the killer or even if he is armed.  So, not even attempt to arrest him, but just kill him?

The view from the hill is that you are insane.

[brawndolicious]

Okay.  I still think it's pretty much full-on distinguished mentally-challenged to say "Oh, he got the wrong apartment building, maybe he counted the windows wrong, it's not his fault, it was an accident."  When you're a cop and you're dealing with life-and-death situations, it's your fucking RESPONSIBILITY to be a little more careful and maybe double or triple-count the windows before you go in with weaponry to apprehend a suspect.  A little girl is dead and most likely nothing is going to happen to the guy; that doesn't make it right, or moral.
If you're not ready to take that responsibility on, find another job or transfer to another division doing clerical work or whatever.

We're not talking about a one time thing either.  If one in every million turns out to be a mistake than I'd say that's very impressive.  You'd say that's one too many and totally realistic to expect a more serious individual to get it right by being paranoid about every mistake killing a 7 year old girl.

I say redesign the car, not the driver.  It doesn't make sense to put all the responsibility for controlling for mistakes on individual humans.

If he went in the right apartment,assuming that only the killer was in there, would you be angry if they shot before clearly seeing the killer's face or knowing if he was armed?

You're saying it's okay to go into an apartment, assuming (not knowing, assuming) that the only dude in the apt. is the killer  and that it is then totally OK to shoot whoever the dude in the apartment is without verifying that it IS the killer or even if he is armed.  So, not even attempt to arrest him, but just kill him?
The view from the hill is that you are insane.

No, I'm asking YOU to assume that the killer is the only one in there.  As in if they were watching it long enough to make sure nobody else was in there.  In this case if the killer is known to be armed and dangerous, having to clearly see a guy's face and hands in a dark room may not make sense when it only takes him one squeeze of the trigger to kill you.

[Ichirou]

Jesus, why am I bothering with this? This is why I avoid commenting on your ridiculous posts in movie threads.  You are completely insane.  I have never in my life talked to someone so immune to normal logic.

When you have been entrusted by the state with the power of fucking life and death, YES, I fucking expect you to be a bit paranoid and double-check so you don't kill a 7 year old girl.  And most likely you are right, and the powers that be will tell this keystone kop "oh, too bad, be more careful in the future", but a little girl will still be dead and a family will still be shattered.

[brawndolicious]

what I'm saying is that punishing the officer is irrelevant to preventing this from happening in the future.  It's a freak coincidence.  Nobody assumes it'll happen to them.

If you want some sort of constructive solution to preventing this from happening in the future, and you are able to consider this without satisfying a grudge against the individual cop responsible for this shooting, then you look at changing the whole system.

I'm not saying the person responsible shouldn't be punished in any way.  I'm saying it won't have any effect on the future. 

[brawndolicious]

Am Nintenho, what if you were to do both

You could do both but not for the same reasons.  I certainly don't approve of charging any officer with murder.

[Ichirou]

"It's a freak coincidence!" No, it's not.  It was a fucking LAZY MISTAKE which lead to the tragic, wholly unnecessary death of a human being.

I'm not talking about satisfying a grudge - the fucking cop KILLED SOMEONE.  Let's say you're driving on the road and you drop a CD and you turn your head down to look to see where the CD fell and while you're doing that you run a red light and kill someone who's crossing the road.  Would you then say "Hey, it was just a mistake, we should think of constructive solutions like equipping stoplights with sirens so those of us who may have turned away from looking at the road for a second will know we're coming up on a red light!"

[Beezy]

nintenho honestly fucks with my head

[Ichirou]

I think if nintenho ever posted something I agree with, something in my head would explode.