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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2010, 08:42:57 PM »
Oh sure, he'll argue with nintenho.  ::)
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2010, 08:46:06 PM »
nintenho doesn't argue in threads just to get his rocks off, unlike some people.
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2010, 08:47:05 PM »
"It's a freak coincidence!" No, it's not.  It was a fucking LAZY MISTAKE which lead to the tragic, wholly unnecessary death of a human being.

I'm not talking about satisfying a grudge - the fucking cop KILLED SOMEONE.  Let's say you're driving on the road and you drop a CD and you turn your head down to look to see where the CD fell and while you're doing that you run a red light and kill someone who's crossing the road.  Would you then say "Hey, it was just a mistake, we should think of constructive solutions like equipping stoplights with sirens so those of us who may have turned away from looking at the road for a second will know we're coming up on a red light!"
So you're saying the only reason the cop should be punished is because he is not fit to be a police officer?  Not to send a message to other cops that would hopefully decrease the likelihood of this happening in the future?

OKAY.  That has nothing to do with anything that might affect any of our daily lives but whatever.

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« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2010, 08:47:41 PM »
u catchin feelins boogie?  :teehee

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« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2010, 08:49:47 PM »
"It's a freak coincidence!" No, it's not.  It was a fucking LAZY MISTAKE which lead to the tragic, wholly unnecessary death of a human being.

I'm not talking about satisfying a grudge - the fucking cop KILLED SOMEONE.  Let's say you're driving on the road and you drop a CD and you turn your head down to look to see where the CD fell and while you're doing that you run a red light and kill someone who's crossing the road.  Would you then say "Hey, it was just a mistake, we should think of constructive solutions like equipping stoplights with sirens so those of us who may have turned away from looking at the road for a second will know we're coming up on a red light!"
So you're saying the only reason the cop should be punished is because he is not fit to be a police officer?  Not to send a message to other cops that would hopefully decrease the likelihood of this happening in the future?

OKAY.  That has nothing to do with anything that might affect any of our daily lives but whatever.

I'm saying the cop killed a child, and should be punished accordingly for his negligence and stupidity.  And if that scares a few other cops into checking twice before bursting in on a home they THINK a suspect is in, BONUS!
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« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2010, 08:54:03 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2010, 08:56:49 PM »
That Ichi argues with this dude but chooses to troll you when you scream for serus debate.   :(

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2010, 09:00:20 PM »
Oh sure, he'll argue with nintenho.  ::)
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You haven't commented on the OP though.

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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2010, 09:10:04 PM »
Why was his finger on the trigger in the first place?
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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2010, 09:14:03 PM »
Oh sure, he'll argue with nintenho.  ::)
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You haven't commented on the OP though.

And why would I want to do that?
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« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2010, 09:15:25 PM »
Well, you're already in here...

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« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2010, 09:19:22 PM »
So what's the view from the hill on this topic?

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« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2010, 09:22:41 PM »
Well, you're already in here...

well, considering that the first third of the thread opened with what I presume is people being assholes in order to try to get a rise out of me, and the last thread, where earnest attempts at discussion were ignored and mocked, I don't think I'll bother anymore.  I'll just hang around to make pithy side comments
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« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2010, 09:24:33 PM »
Yes, every negative comment about cops is directed at you specifically.  Not that anybody would even know you are a cop if you didn't mention it in your tag.  And your profile. And in every other post. :lol
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« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2010, 09:25:10 PM »
Well, you're already in here...

well, considering that the first third of the thread opened with what I presume is people being assholes in order to try to get a rise out of me, and the last thread, where earnest attempts at discussion were ignored and mocked, I don't think I'll bother anymore.  I'll just hang around to make pithy side comments
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« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2010, 09:27:29 PM »
Yes, every negative comment about cops is directed at you specifically.  Not that anybody would even know you are a cop if you didn't mention it in your tag.  And your profile. And in every other post. :lol

Right, my bad.  You're just really passionate and committed to hating on cops, that's all.
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« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2010, 09:27:57 PM »
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/05/geoffrey_fieger_takes_on_aiyan.html

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Geoffrey Fieger: Video contradicts Detroit police account of fatal shooting of Aiyana Jones
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An attorney for the family of a 7-year-old girl who was killed by a police officer's bullet during a weekend raid at their home said Monday that he saw video of the raid that contradicts the police department's version of what happened.

Attorney Geoffrey Fieger said he watched three or four minutes of video that showed police fired into the home after lobbing a flash grenade through the window. He said this contradicts the police department's story, which was that the officer's gun discharged during a struggle or collision inside the home with the girl's grandmother.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation.

"The gun was fired before anyone goes through the door. There are lights all over, like it's a television set."

A camera crew for the cable television crime-reality series "The First 48" was at the raid, although Fieger declined to say whether the video he watched was shot by the crew.

A&E spokesman Dan Silberman said neither he nor anyone else from the network would comment about the case.

Fieger said more than one camera was recording at the scene.

"It demonstrates conclusively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, what happened in this case," the attorney said. "The pictures don't lie. It's got sound and everything."

Michigan State Police detectives have taken charge of the investigation.

Detroit police were trying to obtain any footage of the raid captured by the film crew, which had been shadowing city homicide investigators almost daily since early this year, Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said Monday.

Godbee said Detroit police would not be commenting on the tactics they employed during the raid, but that the department was not concerned that the film crew had any affect on how it was conducted.

The target of the search, a 34-year-old man suspected of killing a 17-year-old boy, was arrested in the upstairs unit at the two-family home. Police had warrants to search both units, and relatives of the girl were seen Monday going in and out of both.
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2010, 09:28:09 PM »
Cop?  I thought that Mounties were just wrestling gimmicks.  

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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2010, 09:28:15 PM »
But I was fine with mounties until one of them got drunk and started raging at me for no reason!
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2010, 09:30:40 PM »
Geoffrey Fieger is kind of a scumbag, but I guess the videotape will be the deciding factor.

If this info bears out, what say you now, nintenho?  Still just a "freak coincidence" and "innocent mistake"?
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« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2010, 09:31:03 PM »
you're right

redacted until a milkman comes forward with evidence that the cops canceled cream service for the day
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« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2010, 09:39:05 PM »
If this info bears out, what say you now, nintenho?  Still just a "freak coincidence" and "innocent mistake"?
It's a completely different situation if they had warrants for both homes and fired through a window before entering.

If that article is completely correct, it would mean that the police's intel was right but that they shot through a window without being shot at first.  The blame is different, the procedure is different, yet your  attitude towards the police involved is the same.

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« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2010, 09:40:04 PM »
Yes, because...they still fucked up and a little girl is dead?
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« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2010, 09:42:10 PM »
Yes, because...they still fucked up and a little girl is dead?
I don't see any accidental miscountings and shooting through a window as the same thing.

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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2010, 09:44:44 PM »
Yes, because...they still fucked up and a little girl is dead?

Because, in the justice system, and morality more generally, intent matters?  That careless negligence should provoke a different reaction than deliberate and malicious aggression?

Oops, almost started to debate there. :-[

Sorry, go back to arguing with the crazy man.
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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2010, 09:45:06 PM »
Why was his finger on the trigger in the first place?

Did you miss the part about the suspect being black?

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« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2010, 09:45:57 PM »
Yes, because...they still fucked up and a little girl is dead?

Because, in the justice system, and morality more generally, intent matters?  That careless negligence should provoke a different reaction than deliberate and malicious aggression?

Oops, almost started to debate there. :-[

Sorry, go back to arguing with the crazy man.

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« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2010, 10:40:33 PM »
nintenho doesn't argue in threads just to get his rocks off, unlike some people.

He does exactly that, and so do you.

You respond to nintenho and not to Boogie because Boogie makes better points.

Yes, every negative comment about cops is directed at you specifically.  Not that anybody would even know you are a cop if you didn't mention it in your tag.  And your profile. And in every other post. :lol

Did you read the first sentence of the first post of this thread?

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« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2010, 10:41:10 PM »
And AdmiralViscen shows up to gargle icon cum yet again. :bow
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2010, 10:51:03 PM »
I can barely remember who is and isn't an Icon.

it's fucking annoying that every time a cop somewhere is a dipshit/asshole/criminal, a specific user needs to be goaded and antagonized.

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« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2010, 10:54:25 PM »
If said user didn't see the need to constantly remind people that he's a cop and have a reputation for stepping in and "setting people straight with the view from the hill", maybe it wouldn't happen.

Maybe you should ask for a change to the TOS forbidding people from badmouthing cops, or any other profession people in EB happen to work at.

As for myself, despite what Boogie may think, my opinion on cops comes from my real-life experiences with police officers as well as due to my relationship with my cousin, a state trooper who actually tried to pick a physical fight with me at my own father's wake.
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« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2010, 10:54:46 PM »
Interesting hearing so many local radio calls today play the "when you don't listen to the police this stuff happens, too bad" card. This entire incident was caused by a police fuck up.

I just hope the cop isn't white. Really don't want to see this become a racial issue.
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« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2010, 10:59:04 PM »
If said user didn't see the need to constantly remind people that he's a cop and have a reputation for stepping in and "setting people straight with the view from the hill", maybe it wouldn't happen.

Maybe you should ask for a change to the TOS forbidding people from badmouthing cops, or any other profession people in EB happen to work at.

As for myself, despite what Boogie may think, my opinion on cops comes from my real-life experiences with police officers as well as due to my relationship with my cousin, a state trooper who actually tried to pick a physical fight with me at my own father's wake.

hey look, ichi is gargling his own cum yet again, to no one's tears (cue laugh track)

guess what - Boogie's opinion on cops comes from real life experience too, and that doesn't make him 100% right all the time any more than it does you.

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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2010, 11:00:50 PM »
Pointless post above me.
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« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2010, 01:50:51 AM »
nintenho doesn't argue in threads just to get his rocks off, unlike some people.
He does exactly that, and so do you.
You respond to nintenho and not to Boogie because Boogie makes better points.
I enjoy changing people's logic, but I really don't think I made any bad points.

Maybe arguing about something that there's so many charged emotions over is pointless though?

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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2010, 10:20:00 AM »
I'd like to see the video evidence before making a judgment. Its a tragedy that the little girl was killed. But, if the guy went in guns already blazing, that's just wrong.
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« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2010, 04:28:23 PM »
Cause if they didn't, it'd just be right?

I'm not saying if he didn't go in guns blazing that it would be right that the little girl died. (The little girl should have never died due to this raid.) All I'm saying is that there is a difference between accidentally discharging his weapon and killing the little girl and going in guns blazing and killing her.

One way is truly an accident and the other is stupidity.

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« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2010, 12:37:53 AM »
Assuming we've gotten all the meta crap out of our system (right, guys?), a question for Boogie.

It seems (but may not be the case) that a SWAT team bursting into a house is gradually replacing the classic "This is the police.  We have the house surrounded.  Come out with your hands up" bit.  Is that still considered an option when executing warrants?  What are the considerations?

I assume going in hard is preferred in drug cases because the evidence is flushable.

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« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2010, 12:57:27 AM »
Assuming we've gotten all the meta crap out of our system (right, guys?), a question for Boogie.

It seems (but may not be the case) that a SWAT team bursting into a house is gradually replacing the classic "This is the police.  We have the house surrounded.  Come out with your hands up" bit.  Is that still considered an option when executing warrants?  What are the considerations?


hmm.  I'm not sure how much the "this is police, you're surrounded, come out with your hands out" was ever common practice vs. the creation from TV and movies, though ya, that could be a trend of recent decades.  I'm just trying to rack my brain for hypothetical scenarios where that would be done vs. a SWAT entry.  The scenarios I can come up with are all more along the lines of scenarios where the police are responding to an incident initiated by a subject. ie. a botched bank robbery, hostage taking, some violent possible-suicide risk who has barricaded himself in his home with weapons.  In other words, situations where the police don't control the encounter and must set up a perimeter and wait things out.

That's probably no longer an option (if it ever was) for scenarios involving the execution of warrants because it hands a measure of control over to the subject.  If you're executing an arrest warrant on a possibly violent murder suspect, you wouldn't want to get on the loudspeaker and announce your presence, then let him set there and stew, possibly panic, and then come to the conclusion "well, I'll be going to jail for the rest of my life, or worse....fuck it, I'm just going to take some of them with me."

So I guess it's that, when executing warrants, we want to control the situation, and just surrounding the house and announcing our presence leaves too much control in the subject's hands.  Doing an entry allows us to control the timing and manner of entry, gives us the element of surprise, etc.  That, and good training and discipline, would be safer than the alternative.  Unfortunately, that clearly wasn't the case here. 

other considerations being the nature of the warrant (search warrant for documents, vs. search warrants for drugs, arrest warrant for a violent offender vs. one for a fraud artist), seriousness of the offence, likelihood of violence (area the warrant is being served, known gang area vs. well-to-do gated community).  Previous records, patterns of violence by the subject, past weapons posessions, etc.
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #100 on: May 24, 2010, 01:28:40 AM »
Also, if there's a chance that drugs are on site, wouldn't they want avoid giving the suspect a chance to get rid of them down the toilet, or hide them somewhere clever?

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« Reply #101 on: May 24, 2010, 01:38:05 AM »
Also, if there's a chance that drugs are on site, wouldn't they want avoid giving the suspect a chance to get rid of them down the toilet, or hide them somewhere clever?
I assume going in hard is preferred in drug cases because the evidence is flushable.
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« Reply #102 on: May 24, 2010, 02:27:11 AM »
There's a university strike going down in Puerto Rico that's shut down most of the campuses for the last several weeks.

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Asked about several policemen who have voiced their satisfaction in clubbing striking students at the University of Puerto Rico on Facebook,  Figueroa Sancha responded that anyone could have made up such a webpage.
“I do not promote such comments,” the island's Top Cop said after expressing doubts that comments allegedly made by Alexander Luiña on his Facebook page on May 4 that: “At last I could strike a club in this God blessed strike, after twelve days.”

Having read the Facebook page myself, a more accurate translation of the douchebag cop's comment would be "I finally was able to beat someone down with my baton in this goddamned strike, after having waited twelve days!"

Read how the police superintendent tries to justify and distort the vicious beatdowns the thugs gave to unarmed civilians, while San Juan's archbishop condemned the excessive violence and asked that police be given lessons on mediation and resolving situation without physical conflict (hey, if they were interested in that, they never would have become cops in the first place):

http://www.prdailysun.com/index.php?page=news.article&id=1274489198

And then people wonder why I hate the fucking pigs.  PR's cops are infamous for their thuggery.
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« Reply #103 on: May 24, 2010, 02:59:56 AM »
PR's cops are infamous for their thuggery.
That's probably true for any poor country.

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« Reply #104 on: May 24, 2010, 03:01:23 AM »
Also, if there's a chance that drugs are on site, wouldn't they want avoid giving the suspect a chance to get rid of them down the toilet, or hide them somewhere clever?
I assume going in hard is preferred in drug cases because the evidence is flushable.
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« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2010, 03:10:28 AM »
PR's cops are infamous for their thuggery.
That's probably true for any poor country.

and the WWF/WWE

I really hated that Mountie!  :punch

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« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2010, 04:08:58 AM »
PR's cops are infamous for their thuggery.
That's probably true for any poor country.

PR isn't a country. :shh
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« Reply #107 on: May 25, 2010, 10:37:47 AM »
Yeah, they aren't even independent :lol

:piss  Puerto Rico :piss2
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« Reply #108 on: May 25, 2010, 10:46:06 AM »
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EVANS — Two Evans police officers are being praised for saving the life of a 1-week-old baby girl this week.

Officer Michael Yates and Dan Ranous were called Wednesday night to a home in the 3400 block of Harbor Lane where Jayde Zimmerman needed help.

Jayde's mother, Sarah Haley, called 911 because the baby was turning blue and not breathing.

Officers discovered that the baby may have breathed in fluids during a recent episode of vomiting, according to a news release from Evans police.

Ranous cleared the baby's airway and began rescue breathing procedures. By the time firefighters and paramedics arrived, the baby was taking shallow breaths.

She was taken to North Colorado Medical Center in Greeley, where she spent the night. She was released the next day.

Both of the officers are trained in first aid and CPR, according to the release. In addition, Ranous is trained as an emergency medical technician.

“These are calls we're trained for and stay ready for but hope they never come,” Ranous said in an interview with Fox31.

“We'll remember this the rest of our life,” Haley said on Fox31. “Because if not for him, who knows what would have happened. You know one minute longer you never know.”

“Had it not been for their quick response and actions, this incident would likely have had a more disastrous outcome,” Evans Police Public Information Officer Rita Wolf said in the release. “The Evans Police Department would like to commend these officers, along with the Evans Fire Department and Weld County Paramedics, for their heroic actions in saving the life of the 1-week-old infant.”

http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100508/NEWS/100509749
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #109 on: May 25, 2010, 10:52:49 AM »
Probably.
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« Reply #110 on: May 26, 2010, 12:27:16 AM »
Yeah, they aren't even independent :lol

:piss  Puerto Rico :piss2

And as bad as it is, it's still at least ten times better than that Dominican Republic hellhole.  I mean, you've got people so desperate to leave that place that they climb into rickety wooden boats to try to sneak into PR illegally. :rofl
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #111 on: May 26, 2010, 01:41:27 AM »
yeah but at least we are a real country not an American colony.
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« Reply #112 on: May 26, 2010, 01:49:03 AM »
yeah but at least we are a real country not an American colony.

There's plenty of countries in the world, I don't understand why you'd take that as a point of pride.  It's like telling someone from New York - "Well, you're just a state not a whole country." :lol

"The Dominican Republic is one of the worst countries to live in in the world, and marked by severe economic inequality, but hey...at least it's a country!"
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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #113 on: May 26, 2010, 02:04:21 AM »
They're both total shitholes nuke them both.

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Re: Green Shinobi vindicated part 2
« Reply #114 on: May 26, 2010, 02:17:09 AM »
They're both total shitholes

I agree with this statement.
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« Reply #115 on: May 26, 2010, 05:53:34 AM »
If you don't think Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic should be nuked than blah blah outrageously provocative statement blah. 

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« Reply #116 on: May 26, 2010, 11:12:55 AM »
You could do a lot worse than DR if you're living south of Florida

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« Reply #117 on: May 26, 2010, 11:49:44 AM »
We are a shithole but a free one unlike PR :smug
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« Reply #118 on: May 26, 2010, 12:24:15 PM »
We are a shithole but a free one unlike PR :smug

Yes, because PR is enslaved by getting all those federal moneys from the US. :lol
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