Killzone 3 Confirmed (Gamepro Article)

[Shurs]

So it's only okay to troll Killzone 2/3 in this thread?

[TripleA]

So it's only okay to troll Killzone 2/3 in this thread?

You catch on quickly.

But the trolls have been sloppy; We've had 1 guy who couldn't distinguish between present and past tense, another guy who was proven wrong, and then some guy ranting about needing a 3D TV to view 3D content.

It's been quite fun actually

[TripleA]

So wait, you need a 3D tv for the 3D shit right?

If so, lol at Sony.

3D is an added feature for people who have 3D televisions (coming soon from Sony!), not the only way to play the game. Even without 3D this is a sequel to one of the best looking games on consoles, arguably better than anything on 360, a game that has a Metacritic score is in the 90's and was GAF's FPS of the year in 2009.

We've got a hull breach

 


Being fair its been a while since the site had some sony fans  (the last notable one was justinP ).

I wonder what happened to justinP.

[TripleA]

Hey TripleA, let me know what you 3D TV you decide to buy.

I really want the full experience this game will provide.

I'm probably going to get this one http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN46C630-46-Inch-1080p-Black/dp/B0036WT3RA/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1274655154&sr=1-8

[AdmiralViscen]

So it's only okay to troll Killzone 2/3 in this thread?

You catch on quickly.

But the trolls have been sloppy; We've had 1 guy who couldn't distinguish between present and past tense, another guy who was proven wrong, and then some guy ranting about needing a 3D TV to view 3D content.

It's been quite fun actually

You are deluded as fuck

[TripleA]

So it's only okay to troll Killzone 2/3 in this thread?

You catch on quickly.

But the trolls have been sloppy; We've had 1 guy who couldn't distinguish between present and past tense, another guy who was proven wrong, and then some guy ranting about needing a 3D TV to view 3D content.

It's been quite fun actually

You are deluded as fuck

Common sense disagrees.

[TripleA]

?

[TripleA]

You seem to have sent me the incorrect link. That's just a regular 2D TV.

Oh, you want me to buy a TV that's called a 3D TV.

[TripleA]

Hmm, it looks like Sony will be rolling out their 3D TV lineup on June 10th.

Maybe I'll go with them instead, since the glasses are included 

[TripleA]

Relax, don't take things so seriously

Mr. Forward rendering, you're back 

[AdmiralViscen]

Mr. MisreadHisOwnSource, still rolling in his own feces

[TripleA]

Wot r u talking about

[Smooth Groove]

Wot r u talking about

UR backwards processing

[Purple Filth]

JustinP
TripleA

Coincidence?

 

[duckman2000]

- Will include arctic levels.

[Purple Filth]

IGN UK article now up

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/109/1092173p1.html

basically the same info as the scans.

[maxy]

Looks blurry,jaggy and low poly...yep its Killzone 2...now in 3D

But snow is a big plus

[TripleA]

JustinP
TripleA

Coincidence?

What happened to JustinP  ?

[TripleA]

Relax, don't take things so seriously

Mr. Forward rendering, you're back 

Let me know when you're going to prove me wrong next.

Will do will do.

[TripleA]

IGN UK article now up

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/109/1092173p1.html

basically the same info as the scans.

Oh, and there's one more thing that we've declined to mention so far. Killzone 3 will be one of the first Sony titles to support 3D out of the box, and thanks to a prototype TV using active shutter glasses set up at the event we can report that it looks stupendous – bullets zip out of the screen while particles such as snow and sparks are tangible elements of the game world. It feels like much more than a gimmick as well: peripheral details such as raging seas thrashing the icebergs combine with the way the player's gun seems to hang out of the screen (and indeed people were living up to the age-old clich? and reaching out to touch what wasn't there during the presentations) to create a level of immersion that's truly beyond anything we've seen to date.

I said wow.

[TripleA]

Tsk tsk tsk.

[naff]

With levels ten times bigger than in Killzone 2, this is Helghan like you’ve never seen it before. You’ll face brutal combat in a host of environments that threaten to bury you on the deadly planet. Killzone 3 will see you trudge through toxic nuclear wastelands, get lost in a lethal alien jungle, fight in bitter arctic conditions and take the battle into space as you fight against Helghast domination – with every location featuring a distinct gameplay style for you to master.

Ahh, that's what we were missing, a slight respite from the gray. The story sounds like it has a chance of being interesting this time around too as Helghan is in a state of civil war since you killed Visari.

[Purple Filth]

With levels ten times bigger than in Killzone 2, this is Helghan like you’ve never seen it before. You’ll face brutal combat in a host of environments that threaten to bury you on the deadly planet. Killzone 3 will see you trudge through toxic nuclear wastelands, get lost in a lethal alien jungle, fight in bitter arctic conditions and take the battle into space as you fight against Helghast domination – with every location featuring a distinct gameplay style for you to master.

Ahh, that's what we were missing, a slight respite from the gray. The story sounds like it has a chance of being interesting this time around too as Helghan is in a state of civil war since you killed Visari.

They even said it wont have the constant swearing either.

Should be interesting.

[duckman2000]

So it's basically Killzone 2 with KZ1 level design, or at least variety. Which happened to be actually awesome.

[dark1x]

Not interested in 3DTV until the sets can match the performance of the final generation Pioneer Kuro.  Once that has been topped, I'll start looking to upgrade again.

I'm curious about Panasonics plasmas, though, as they apparently solved an age old phosphor trailing problem with plasma technology in order to implement 3D.  Unfortunately, I'm sure the black reproduction will still be inferior.  :\

Checked out a couple of the most recent LCDs and, yep, still not a fan of the technology.

As for KZ3, I'm interested, but cautious.  I enjoyed the original game, but it didn't exactly blow me away (outside of its tremendously impressive visuals).  Here's hoping that they do something more interesting this time around.

[Purple Filth]

Not interested in 3DTV until the sets can match the performance of the final generation Pioneer Kuro.  Once that has been topped, I'll start looking to upgrade again.

I'm curious about Panasonics plasmas, though, as they apparently solved an age old phosphor trailing problem with plasma technology in order to implement 3D.  Unfortunately, I'm sure the black reproduction will still be inferior.  :\

just a heads up, but the Kuro team were absorbed into Panasonic and are working on thier next gen of TVs.

I was talked out of dropping cash on a top end Kuro in favour of the 52 inch Panasonic which is a damned good TV but ... yeah... it's not a Kuro.

And 3DTV? Not interested until the non glasses tech catches up. Everyone sitting around the TV with a pair of glasses on just isn't going to work.

Also - it might be ghetto, but i wonder if MS will just push a less 3D effect that requires no new TV? Even if it's nowhere near as good, it might one up Sony simply by being moreavailable to th emasses.

I don't think so since they supposedly had a deal with one of the manufacturers (i think its Samsung) to push their 3d tvs.

[maxy]

You know, I'm up for an awesome Killzone game and I'm willing to give the third one a shot. There are a couple of problems though:

- First game was complete and utter shit
- Second game had horrible controls and felt very slow

Yeah, not really hyped for this one but Naughty Dog involvement gives me hope. Those guys know how to make a fun game with solid controls.

Apparently Naughty Dog is not involved

Via Kotaku

That said, Hulst noted that, contrary to popular belief, Guerrilla Games is not collaborating on engine technology with Uncharted 2 developer Naughty Dog.

sdf

[dark1x]

just a heads up, but the Kuro team were absorbed into Panasonic and are working on thier next gen of TVs.

I was talked out of dropping cash on a top end Kuro in favour of the 52 inch Panasonic which is a damned good TV but ... yeah... it's not a Kuro.

Yeah, I've been following them since the went to Panasonic.  We have not yet seen the fruits of their labor and I'm still concerned about the voltage issue with Panasonics which increase black level as the TV ages (by design).  They've yet to acknowledge this as a problem despite measurements proving that it most certainly is an issue.

The best hope would be a new panel from the Kuro team combined with the faster phosphor technology developed for 3D.  Would be pretty amazing.

[Purple Filth]

where does this idea that all Sony studios are all complete bumchums who share code and techniques across the board come from? Has it ever actually happened?

I remember the whole "new wipeout uses Motorstorm engine" thing and the people we knew at Psygnosis were like "huh? no it doesn't"

Yes it does where they will acknowledge each other for giving them ideas.

But i doubt its full on "co-developing an engine"

[dark1x]

where does this idea that all Sony studios are all complete bumchums who share code and techniques across the board come from? Has it ever actually happened?

I remember the whole "new wipeout uses Motorstorm engine" thing and the people we knew at Psygnosis were like "huh? no it doesn't"

I highly doubt there is full cooperation between the different studios, but I can believe that certain techniques were shared.  For instance, the motion blur technique first introduced in Killzone 2 looks very similar in both Uncharted 2 and God of War III.  Early footage of those two games was lacking this motion blur and I recall reading somewhere that there was some code sharing/idea swapping going on in regards to this effect.

[Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich]

Screens n' shit... Yep, looks like KZ2:

http://www.bitmob.com/articles/new-killzone-3-screens-and-interview-on-3d-storytelling-living-up-to-a-spectacular-trailer

[Purple Filth]

its now up on their blog.

shows some (looping) video of the game going. Showed off the updated melee kills and the wasp(?)

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/05/27/killzone-3-for-ps3-reveal-guerrilla-games-interview/

[Bebpo]

You can tell the Guerrilla guys are huge Metal Gear fans.  The art is very MGS inspired.

Like:


That would fit right in with any MGS game.

[Raban]

You say inspired, I say unoriginal.

[dark1x]

Next gen can't come soon enough. It looks like PS2 game under emulation.

Seriously?

You're entitled to your opinion, but that just seems ridiculous. 

[WrikaWrek]

That pic looks average as shit. Game looks much better than that.

[cool breeze]

well, they are putting 3D in the game, so maybe they had to cut some areas to make that work.  Generally when you try to do 3D on PC or PS3, you lose something to maintain good performance.  I think Wipeout HD drops the resolution when playing in 3D.

I'm confused about how they're handling it.  If they want the game to play 'normal' in 3D, then playing it in 2D should mean they would have a lot more power that isn't being used.  Maybe they make the game 60 fps if you're not playing it in 3D.  I dunno.  3D gaming is weird.

[maxy]

You can easily find crappy pics from GoW3 or Uncharted 2.

You have to go by sfags patented line

"It looks better in motion!!!"

well, they are putting 3D in the game, so maybe they had to cut some areas to make that work.  Generally when you try to do 3D on PC or PS3, you lose something to maintain good performance.  I think Wipeout HD drops the resolution when playing in 3D.

I'm confused about how they're handling it.  If they want the game to play 'normal' in 3D, then playing it in 2D should mean they would have a lot more power that isn't being used.  Maybe they make the game 60 fps if you're not playing it in 3D.  I dunno.  3D gaming is weird.

Wipeout becomes 720p 30 fps game.

Of course,heavy compromises have to be met...think split screen-mode
But this is not 3D mode...it would be pointless to show it anyway...just normal stuff

3D mode has to be 30 fps...but they have to do 30 fps for each eye...its not like making a full 60 fps game because some things don't have to be done twice though

[brawndolicious]

I wonder how they'll handle looking down the sights.  You have to close one eye when looking down a sniper scope or an iron sight so that should take away depth perception.  They could use it as a way of balancing power weapons like the sniper or rocket launcher.

[duckman2000]

Next gen can't come soon enough. It looks like PS2 game under emulation.

Seriously?

You're entitled to your opinion, but that just seems ridiculous. 

That one pic. It looks miles behind GoW3 or Uncharted 2.

Very bad pic.

Well, you'd have to be a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow to rip on the sequel to KZ2 based on a screenshot. Not saying that it's not about time for some new hardware since KZ2 did show a lot of compromises, but come the fuck on.

Besides, will you even get a new system, or are you just going to spend the generation griping about games you'll never play anyway?

[cool breeze]

You can easily find crappy pics from GoW3 or Uncharted 2.

You have to go by sfags patented line

"It looks better in motion!!!"

well, they are putting 3D in the game, so maybe they had to cut some areas to make that work.  Generally when you try to do 3D on PC or PS3, you lose something to maintain good performance.  I think Wipeout HD drops the resolution when playing in 3D.

I'm confused about how they're handling it.  If they want the game to play 'normal' in 3D, then playing it in 2D should mean they would have a lot more power that isn't being used.  Maybe they make the game 60 fps if you're not playing it in 3D.  I dunno.  3D gaming is weird.

Wipeout becomes 720p 30 fps game.

Of course,heavy compromises have to be met...think split screen-mode
But this is not 3D mode...it would be pointless to show it anyway...just normal stuff

3D mode has to be 30 fps...but they have to do 30 fps for each eye...its not like making a full 60 fps game because some things don't have to be done twice though

yeah, but would they drop visuals for 3D mode if they're listing it as a big feature and using it when demoing it for the press? but you're right about split screen.  I played MW2 4-playre split screen and there is a pretty big drop in performance.

also, does 3D have to be 30 fps? Isn't the point of the true 120hz TV requirement so it would be 60 for each eye?

You can tell the Guerrilla guys are huge Metal Gear fans.

is that an ingame shot?

because if it is it looks like were still going to be playing the role of Crotch Sniffer the military dwarf.

Crotch Sniffer 3, with 3D crotches.

actually, I browsed the gaf thread the other day and people seemed to be complaining about those kinds of changes.  Things like your gun not bobbing as much, a wider FOV, and seeing it from the characters eyes rather than abdomen.

[Purple Filth]

You can tell the Guerrilla guys are huge Metal Gear fans.

is that an ingame shot?

because if it is it looks like were still going to be playing the role of Crotch Sniffer the military dwarf.

Crotch Sniffer 3, with 3D crotches.

.

Judge for youself

actually, I browsed the gaf thread the other day and people seemed to be complaining about those kinds of changes.  Things like your gun not bobbing as much, a wider FOV, and seeing it from the characters eyes rather than abdomen.

you sure about this one?

from what i saw people who noticed this (supposed) change were fucking celebrating. Others didn't like the lower gun boobing and the seemingly lower recoil of the gun.

[cool breeze]

I just skimmed through the thread to find the origins of those gifs (which turned out to be a blurry video in the background of an interview), not really get into it.  I just noticed people seeming upset at it looking more like Call of Duty or something like that.

I don't understand the new melee.  If I understand it correctly, hitting the button once acts similar to KZ2 where you push enemies back, but pressing it twice goes into a kill animation? like in that gif, the first press is a kick, the second is the knife?

[Stoney Mason]

actually, I browsed the gaf thread the other day and people seemed to be complaining about those kinds of changes.  Things like your gun not bobbing as much, a wider FOV, and seeing it from the characters eyes rather than abdomen.

That's because they are a group of fanboys or idiots. These are the same people who were adament that the original game never had any input lag. (or any problems or flaws what so ever) They will complain about anything that deviates from the flawed aspects of the original game because that's what crazy people do.

Killzone "fans" are some of the absolute worst things going message board wise.

[brawndolicious]

That off-screen video of the game had a REALLY shitty player, he never looked down the sights and always hip-fired at people.  They need to make the recoil much higher.

[duckman2000]

Next gen can't come soon enough. It looks like PS2 game under emulation.

Seriously?

You're entitled to your opinion, but that just seems ridiculous. 

That one pic. It looks miles behind GoW3 or Uncharted 2.

Very bad pic.

Well, you'd have to be a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow to rip on the sequel to KZ2 based on a screenshot. Not saying that it's not about time for some new hardware since KZ2 did show a lot of compromises, but come the fuck on.

Besides, will you even get a new system, or are you just going to spend the generation griping about games you'll never play anyway?

It looks bad for a PS3 game, bad for a 360 game, bad for a PC game. It looks like a quick UbiSoft title. BAD.

Still talking about that one shot, I hope. Otherwise you're seriously fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

Oh yeah, and good to see that they are digging through KZ1 for stuff that was missing from KZ2. Hopefully that includes some Shadow Marshal stuff.

[Raban]

Was Killzone 2 really that bad? I played the demo and I liked it better than any other FPS out this gen.

[Stoney Mason]

Was Killzone 2 really that bad? I played the demo and I liked it better than any other FPS out this gen.

Its a good game. I wouldn't call it a great game but everybody is entitled to their opinion. Outside of the way it looks, I don't really see anything special about it myself.

Most of the negative feelings that seem to arise are more directed at the fanbase which pretty much shit all over and trolled any other competing game to try to raise the profile of Killzone 2.

[duckman2000]

It was real hot at times. Some really heavy battle moments thanks to the awesome A.I., brutal weapons and the sheer visual spectacle, but it was stuck in the same gear for pretty much the whole game so it was pretty numbing. A lot of people had problems with the controls, so hey. If they look towards KZ1 for level design, variety and pacing and make the aiming easier (or more gun-on-a-stick), it should be a lot more popular. I'd like them to adjust the cover system a bit.

[Raban]

I thought the controls were excellent, but then again I think the Killzone 2 demo was the first console FPS I played since Halo 2.

Killzone 1 is alright, albeit kind of boring. The story isn't interesting but the setting and mood is really good.

[maxy]

You can easily find crappy pics from GoW3 or Uncharted 2.

You have to go by sfags patented line

"It looks better in motion!!!"

well, they are putting 3D in the game, so maybe they had to cut some areas to make that work.  Generally when you try to do 3D on PC or PS3, you lose something to maintain good performance.  I think Wipeout HD drops the resolution when playing in 3D.

I'm confused about how they're handling it.  If they want the game to play 'normal' in 3D, then playing it in 2D should mean they would have a lot more power that isn't being used.  Maybe they make the game 60 fps if you're not playing it in 3D.  I dunno.  3D gaming is weird.

Wipeout becomes 720p 30 fps game.

Of course,heavy compromises have to be met...think split screen-mode
But this is not 3D mode...it would be pointless to show it anyway...just normal stuff

3D mode has to be 30 fps...but they have to do 30 fps for each eye...its not like making a full 60 fps game because some things don't have to be done twice though

yeah, but would they drop visuals for 3D mode if they're listing it as a big feature and using it when demoing it for the press? but you're right about split screen.  I played MW2 4-playre split screen and there is a pretty big drop in performance.

also, does 3D have to be 30 fps? Isn't the point of the true 120hz TV requirement so it would be 60 for each eye?

Read this article
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-making-of-ps3-3d-article

[Purple Filth]

I just skimmed through the thread to find the origins of those gifs (which turned out to be a blurry video in the background of an interview), not really get into it.  I just noticed people seeming upset at it looking more like Call of Duty or something like that.

I don't understand the new melee.  If I understand it correctly, hitting the button once acts similar to KZ2 where you push enemies back, but pressing it twice goes into a kill animation? like in that gif, the first press is a kick, the second is the knife?

This is what i saw as well. Mainly due to the seemingly low recoil, low bobbing of the gun while moving and the new sprinting speed (although some claim that  the GIF was sped up.

as for the melee you supposedly hit the button, then it will prompt another button to do a finisher.

Supposedly the finishers are different depending on the environment, so you could slam his head in a crate if it was there and whatever.

[Third]

I'm not really impressed by the graphics. Doesn't look better than Killzone 2.

[Raban]

I'm surprised that didn't move more copies of Killzone back in the day.

[Raban]

It was just that bad.

The sad part is how right you are.