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Stoney Mason

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Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
« Reply #19860 on: April 20, 2018, 08:40:19 PM »
Kevin Love is so awful in the post. Like a slow, unathletic turtle.

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« Reply #19861 on: April 20, 2018, 09:31:34 PM »
Pacers are simply the better team.  They play a better brand of offense and defense. Cavs are super shitty version of Houston. No movement on offense. Slow on D. Lue doesn't help.


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« Reply #19862 on: April 20, 2018, 09:41:26 PM »
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

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« Reply #19863 on: April 20, 2018, 09:43:26 PM »
Still blows my mind that the Cavs failed to secure Paul George at the start of the season.

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« Reply #19864 on: April 20, 2018, 09:45:53 PM »
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the same switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

They were a two super star team (I'm gonna ignore whatever Love is because it ain't a superstar) and one of those got removed in the off-season. The whole season has been this way. An ugly grind.

Forgot about the West. They ain't making it to the finals. Highly probable they aren't making it out of this series.

Still blows my mind that the Cavs failed to secure Paul George at the start of the season.

I mean they tried. Indy went with the OKC offer which in retrospect was brilliant.

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« Reply #19865 on: April 20, 2018, 09:50:46 PM »
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

You give the Heat too much credit  :-\

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« Reply #19866 on: April 20, 2018, 09:55:27 PM »
Yeah, this Cavs team doesn't have the switch they had the last 3 years.

As they look right now, any of the top 6 west teams would beat them in a series.

You give the Heat too much credit  :-\

That's why I said west. Heat would give them a good 7 games that can go either way. :P

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« Reply #19867 on: April 20, 2018, 09:57:05 PM »
oh shit, I missed the West part, my bad


So in retrospect, was Love worth losing Wiggins for?

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« Reply #19868 on: April 20, 2018, 10:05:35 PM »
Idk, Wiggins isn’t that nice either

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« Reply #19869 on: April 20, 2018, 10:09:17 PM »
oh shit, I missed the West part, my bad


So in retrospect, was Love worth losing Wiggins for?

I mean its not like Wiggins has shown much himself. The Timberwolves fanbase isn't really happy with him either especially since they gave him the max. He's pretty much just an inefficient scorer who doesn't really play great defense.

I've never especially Loved Love in Cleveland but he serves a purpose when the other pieces are in place. A stretch 4 or 5 who spreads the floor. He's basically a too expensive puzzle piece The big sin was letting Kyrie go. You needed somebody else to diversify the offense. Kyrie was the important part of that. Once you removed him and basically replaced him with nothing (Isiah & then Clarkson) the whole engine breaks down. It can't just be Lebron. That is too predictable.   

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« Reply #19870 on: April 20, 2018, 10:17:15 PM »
I mean wasn’t it mostly about kyrie wanting out after last years finals loss? I remember it being initiated by kyries camp. You’d know better than I would though

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« Reply #19871 on: April 20, 2018, 10:28:20 PM »
Yeah Kyrie wanted out.

It’s be kinda funny if Bron went to Boston after this season.

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« Reply #19872 on: April 20, 2018, 10:28:28 PM »
I mean wasn’t it mostly about kyrie wanting out after last years finals loss? I remember it being initiated by kyries camp. You’d know better than I would though

Most people believe that Kyrie wanted out partially because he didn't want to be under Lebron anymore but also partially because he was being dangled in trade talks at the time which is true. How much each factored in only Kyrie knows. He apparently threatened to have the current knee surgery he is having now before the season which would have scrapped his entire season unless he was traded.

I would have called his bluff. If you are in win now mode, you either keep him or you have to get back a quality player in return. Once you traded him and got nothing back, the Cavs finals run was effectively done.   

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« Reply #19873 on: April 20, 2018, 10:43:59 PM »
I mean a post-mortem on this Cavs era will be a mix of missed opportunities, unfortunate timing with the rise of the warriors, and bad contract management.

The first finals run had Kyrie and Love hurt.

The second finals run was the win.

The third finals run was running into the brick wall of the Warriors juggernaut which happened because the cap exploded.

After the title win, they paid everybody and that was mistake. Lebron is not innocent here. It seemed fine at the time because everybody was overpaying everybody but it wasn't a good thing.

They should have let Schumpert walk. JR smith eventually got paid right when he was just at the tipping point of being washed up. Tristan Thompson got paid and he can't even get on the floor with the current squad. The league has moved away from the type of player he is at lightspeed. They started bringing in more and more offensive oriented players with sub-par defensive skills. It all adds up.

I'm assuming Lebron is gone of course because he has always chosen free agent opportunity of winning over staying in a situation where there is little to no hope. That's my guess of course but we'll see.

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Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
« Reply #19874 on: April 20, 2018, 10:54:59 PM »
The story is going to be about how everyone underestimated Oladipo as the Pacers head to the finals for the first time in 18 years :lawd

lol. I don't think its gonna happen but good luck on it.

That being said, I love Oladipo. I'm super happy he's the man now. I always liked that dude. I always wanted him to turn it around. If they beat the Cavs, I'll be rooting for them.


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« Reply #19875 on: April 21, 2018, 04:18:01 AM »
I looked into this:
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Apparently, an NBA owner got angry with a coach this season for trying too hard in a game that his team won. ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski noted that instance in his podcast, which was picked up on by a keen Reddit user.

“I never heard more talk from front office executives’ frustration with coaches who were winning games that they didn’t want them to win. And owners, I know of an instance of an owner berating, really berating his coach here in the last several weeks of the season for going in and beating a pretty good team on the road, going ‘what are you doing?’ And think about that, that should not be going on.”
And I'm like 99.9% sure it's the Hawks. They beat the Wizards and Celtics back-to-back in games 80 and 81. And had beat the Jazz in Utah a couple weeks earlier. They could have tied Memphis for second worst record without the Wizards and Celtics wins. Tied Phoenix without the Jazz win also.

Plus it's fairly clear that ownership are not exactly fans of Budenholzer.

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« Reply #19876 on: April 21, 2018, 05:24:09 PM »
Bro, I wish we had another offensively capable player down the strech other than ancient Wade.

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« Reply #19877 on: April 21, 2018, 05:26:22 PM »
Also, if this series ends in the expected way, I wouldn't mind the Heat shedding all our contracts and embracing the tank.

Provided Bron doesn't come back down  :doge

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« Reply #19878 on: April 21, 2018, 06:05:47 PM »
This is the best the Blazers have looked in the series and they still haven't figured out the Pels.

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« Reply #19879 on: April 21, 2018, 06:18:08 PM »
testy

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« Reply #19880 on: April 21, 2018, 07:46:08 PM »
What a series for Pels and Davis.

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« Reply #19881 on: April 21, 2018, 07:59:00 PM »
AWOOOOO

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« Reply #19882 on: April 21, 2018, 08:16:52 PM »
Things I noticed going into the next round:

1. The Blazers are a poor passing team and the traps exploited that. Inaccurate, slow passing meant they rarely burned the Pels for their defense. Evan Turner being a playmaking SF who can't playmake only worsened that.

2. Pels got away with playing illegal D a ton in this series. The refs won't ignore that versus Golden State.

4. Solomon Hill is not in sych with the rest of the team so far.

5. JRue took Dame's soul. Curious to see when Steph plays for GS.

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« Reply #19883 on: April 21, 2018, 09:55:51 PM »
Houston will still win series but this is why people don't trust them versus Warriors

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« Reply #19884 on: April 21, 2018, 09:59:20 PM »
Derrick Rose 2018


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Re: The NBA thread (Playoffs begin aka Rise of the Warriors)
« Reply #19886 on: April 22, 2018, 12:31:44 AM »
okc

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« Reply #19887 on: April 22, 2018, 01:22:52 AM »
Rubio :rejoice

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« Reply #19890 on: April 22, 2018, 08:45:05 PM »
Wizards made it a series

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« Reply #19891 on: April 22, 2018, 08:49:59 PM »
accident

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« Reply #19892 on: April 22, 2018, 10:46:11 PM »
Cavs are gonna lose aren't they

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« Reply #19893 on: April 22, 2018, 11:23:25 PM »
What the fuck?? Call on the floor was a jump ball, they went to the monitor, green clearly initiating hostilities between he and lance, then they reverse the call to a flagrant 1 on lance, and give green 2 shots while everyone’s on the line like it’s a common foul?

What the fuck

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« Reply #19894 on: April 22, 2018, 11:23:51 PM »
Good intense game.

Fun first round of games.

Kevin Love 2 of 10. 5 points.  :piss2

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« Reply #19895 on: April 22, 2018, 11:51:33 PM »
gotta disagree, lance dragged him to the floor

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« Reply #19896 on: April 23, 2018, 10:23:16 AM »
I watched the post-game show and evidently the ref (on the floor) had his hand up because he called a foul on Stephenson putting a headlock on his opponent.

The Cavs looked like dogshit for 90% of that game and Kevin Love is infuriating to watch sometimes.


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« Reply #19897 on: April 23, 2018, 10:49:42 AM »
Cavs deserve to lose this series
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« Reply #19898 on: April 23, 2018, 05:04:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/988517020768485376

Durant is a great player, but he comes off as one weak ass personality.

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« Reply #19899 on: April 23, 2018, 07:03:48 PM »
He's always been super prickly. The media ignored it when they wanted to bash on Lebron and promote him as the anti-Lebron but him going to the Warriors changed that.

Nothing wrong with being prickly. There are plenty of reasons to crap on the media. But Durant is annoyingly passive aggressive about it. Not to mention the whole twitter thing was just embarrassing for a star of his stature. You expect that from someone like Lance Stephenson. Not arguably the best player in the game.

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« Reply #19900 on: April 23, 2018, 08:20:09 PM »
durant's oddities where he's totally wired differently from everyone else can be amusing

my favorite thing about durant are all his tattoos that are just inside his jersey fit so they never show

also the warriors all getting frustrated with him slowing things down so he could call isolation plays last year was funny or green yapping at him when he would pull his "sorry, can't help you, i'm denying my guy the ball" defense routine when he sees a play coming towards his area of the court

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« Reply #19902 on: April 24, 2018, 01:24:13 AM »
There isn't any shame in losing a series to the Jazz. They are a good team. But the way they are losing...

That is not a good look.


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« Reply #19903 on: April 24, 2018, 01:35:17 AM »
George might be gone

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« Reply #19904 on: April 24, 2018, 04:34:39 AM »
There isn't any shame in losing a series to the Jazz. They are a good team. But the way they are losing...

That is not a good look.


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« Reply #19905 on: April 24, 2018, 09:56:59 AM »
I never knew about KD’s tats :lol

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« Reply #19906 on: April 24, 2018, 10:27:46 AM »
durant's oddities where he's totally wired differently from everyone else can be amusing

my favorite thing about durant are all his tattoos that are just inside his jersey fit so they never show

also the warriors all getting frustrated with him slowing things down so he could call isolation plays last year was funny or green yapping at him when he would pull his "sorry, can't help you, i'm denying my guy the ball" defense routine when he sees a play coming towards his area of the court

For what its worth I like that Durant is the way he is. Not in that I think its cool but in that I think NBA players of all the sports seem to be the most human to me. By that I mean they are just like us. They are just as petty, have just as must unjustified ego, and behave the same way regular people do. I think that's an endearing quality of the NBA. The players don't feel like phony robots compared to other sports.

It also makes for fun 30 for 30's later in their life.

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« Reply #19907 on: April 24, 2018, 10:58:50 AM »
Other athletes aren't petty? Have you seen UFC brah?

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« Reply #19908 on: April 24, 2018, 11:00:54 AM »
One of my favorite Durant being weird moments was when the warriors got blown out in his first game with them and everybody freaked out so he did the whole practicing-in-an-empty-gym-by-yourself thing, except with the media present and recording video of him yelling at himself about how the haters said he was a coward, had no drive, etc. Afterwards when they asked him about it he said, "Nobody in this arena right now, and that’s when you get better. Nobody sees you when you’re doing this stuff right here, but luckily y’all was in here watching," which almost sounds like a Zen koan.
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« Reply #19909 on: April 24, 2018, 11:20:16 AM »
Other athletes aren't petty? Have you seen UFC brah?

Those are people suffering from mental illness

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« Reply #19910 on: April 24, 2018, 11:25:38 AM »
You would too after repeated head trauma

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« Reply #19911 on: April 24, 2018, 11:39:12 AM »
did you ever talk to the wrestlers in high school, they started out that way

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« Reply #19912 on: April 24, 2018, 04:17:52 PM »
Since this thread is also fairly interested in Boogie, this article by Zach Lowe talking mostly about the Boogie-Pelicans fit(he sees it as a mixed bag), but also about the early negotiations on Boogie's next contract is fairly interesting. It's looking like the Pels(against what I suspected would be Dell handing Boogie a blank check and letting him fill it in like they basically did with Jrue) are going to play a bit of hardball. At least more so than I expected.

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The Pelicans have broached internally the idea of offering Cousins a two- or three-year deal at less than the max, per sources familiar with the discussions. I would not expect that to go over well with Cousins' camp. But the Pelicans have the dual leverage of winning without Cousins and a tepid market for him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23297808/zach-lowe-anthony-davis-demarcus-cousins-new-orleans-pelicans-nba-playoffs

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« Reply #19913 on: April 24, 2018, 04:44:40 PM »
I was expecting a two year deal at high salary. The injury weakens Cousins bargaining position and I don't think any other team will offer him multi-max.

You're also dealing with the Pels history of paying oft-injured players and being weighted down by their contract. You're also wondering if the Pels medical squad can ever get something right. (Though I think Boogie has his own specialists on it.)

I think Cousins gives the Pels someone who can rest Davis and play minutes with a second unit while Davis rests. The big test will be his defensive mobility after the injury. His offensive game is already pretty well adapted.

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« Reply #19914 on: April 24, 2018, 05:15:12 PM »
The Pels are in a delicate situation.

On the one hand you have the playoff unit that has played better than any Cousins/AD combo so far. Which fits much more ideally with what Gentry and Erman - who they just picked the options up on - wants to do on both ends.

On the other hand Davis and Rondo both love Cousins. And the 9 game stretch before he went down showed there was definitely something emerging. And AD certainly has no desire to play center for 82 games still.

The wildcard is honestly Cousins and how he takes a hard negotiation. He's done everything you could ask of a player since getting here, he clearly loves this team and wants to be here, and no doubt Demps sell to Cousins will be that he wants the space to help try and add another impact player(local reporters say that George is at the top of their most wanted board, however unlikely). However, Cousins just got screwed out of money in Sacramento, and he could easily see this as him getting stabbed in the back by New Orleans as well, and if the Pelicans are perceived to have crossed that line things could get ugly all over. Ugly like CP3 and D-West seething over the Shinn era Hornets trying to trade Chandler for OKC scrubs to save money. Which in their own words was the breaking point where both started seeking exit strategies.

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« Reply #19915 on: April 24, 2018, 08:09:19 PM »
It's gonna be interesting. Agree that I really think they will need to toe the line and not seem like they're screwing him or risk the whole thing crumbling (even though going a different direction might be better for everyone else involved). Hopefully Boogie can be convinced to take a 'bet on yourself' high-value short-term deal (and recover from injury, which isn't guaranteed). He's been great so far, I am pulling for him.

Its just the people that question the fit (in all facets) have legitimate points.


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« Reply #19917 on: April 24, 2018, 09:22:49 PM »
maybe the report was garbled and the Suns are actually trying to build a backcourt in the late 1990s?

edit: ha they were both on the 2001 Suns

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« Reply #19918 on: April 24, 2018, 11:35:20 PM »
Got that work by the Sixers again.

Congrats Philly fans.

As far as the Heat goes, it's gonna be hard as hell offloading these contracts. We're gonna be a middling team for the next few years with this roster. Best case scenario is hope Whiteside, Dragic and/or Waiters have good numbers before the ASB so we can get rid of them for picks. I don't see us competing talent wise to Philly/Boston the next few years and whatever team LeBron ends up playing for.

Good job, good effort for the season though. Been fun (and frustrating) as hell.

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« Reply #19919 on: April 25, 2018, 12:15:12 AM »


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