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Ichirou

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Fuck, people got the shit beaten out of them...students and professors protesting at the Capitol.

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A peaceful protest which coincided with the last hours of this legislative session was dissolved with tear gas and clubs, leaving least half a dozen students and professors injured.
To keep the demonstrators from entering the historic building where the House and the Senate were meeting for the last time until August, police rapidly mobilized some 100 forces, including members of the Tactical Operation of the Mounted Police.
The demonstration, organized by the National Coordinating Body of University Campuses, CONARU for its Spanish acronym) began at 3. Shortly afterwards, a group of protesters tried to enter the Capitol, prompting police to swing their clubs and  their tear gas.

One student was injured by a blow, the others by gas, including professors and legislative consultants.

   The protest was called to repudiate new  laws that students allege will affect the future of the University of Puerto Rico. The young woman injured was identified as Nelly Camille, a civil engineering student  at the Mayagüez campus. Four other injured persons were taken to the Diagnostic and Treatment Center on Hoare Street in Santurce.

Another of the injured persons was Juan Ángel Gutiérrez, observer from the Bar Association and Amnesty International.
The Capitol infirmary also had to attend to people affected by tear gas.

Sancha justified blows against women
Police Superintendent José Figueroa Sancha called the protesters on the north side of the Capitol a "violent crowd" and justified the use of force and pepper gas against them, in a second clash at approximately 6:30 p.m. Wednesday.

“The police were where they were meant to be and they acted against a violent crowd," said Figueroa Sancha. "Nobody assumed the responsibility [for the demonstration] and they vandalized vehicles," said the police chief, who could not say how many persons were arrested for the alleged vandalism.


 He said the second police attack, this time with the Mounted Police, was when the demonstrators allegedly "began to destroy property and to throw objects, bottles and stones against the police."

Questioned about the evidence of the damaged cars,  Figueroa Sancha said only that "the investigation will show them, they are taped destroying property. When I have the opportunity I will show you that they destroyed vehicles and took the air out of tires.
He said that with the use of pepper gas and clubs, "we avoided physical confrontation. We dispersed them."

He said that "the Capitol [security] superintendent must explain why access to the building was closed. However, he later said that he "was here from the beginning when they said that they were going to take the capitol. I, myself, gave the instructions."
Figueroa Sancha said that they will do "whatever is necessary" for the security of the Capitol grounds.

Several journalists were also affected by the pepper gas thrown just when they had finished their live reports on radio and television, and they had to run into the Capitol to avoid it.
The demonstrators culminated the protest behind the violent actions.

Call to protest outside police headquarters
To counteract the brutality, the Socialist Movement convoked a demonstration for Friday at 5 p.m. in front of the General Police Headquarters in Hato Rey.

"The people will not tolerate police brutality," said SM representative Alvin Couto de Jesús. "This brazen aggression began before the mobilization of the people to resist the imposition of the bitter medicine as a neoliberal solution tp the economic crisis," said Couto de Jesús.

Couto de Jesús said that on Wednesday in the Capitol, several young people from SM demanded the right to enter the stairs to the Senate floors to document in our news organizations  the imposition of these laws which the people do not like."

He said that “together with colleagues of other independent media, press, students, labor union members and  social actions.. And what for? To approve a sick budget, that puts the crisis directly on our shoulders the crisis that the rich provoked and then approve legislation that violates university autonomy and environmental protection in the Northeast Corridor. According to Couto, "it is in this context that the legislature tries to act with political impunity, closing access to the  Senate floor through a call to all the people to show our most energetic repudiation.

Fucking Puerto Rican cops strike yet again.  What a fucking blatant display of thuggery.
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Ichirou

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Here's another video.  You can even see some of the cops playing with their batons, eager to unleash hell on fucking university students.

BTW, the island governor is accusing the protesters of waving the pepper spray back in the direction of the officers.  He apparently has never heard of the concept of "wind."

You can also see mounted police in both videos. Hmmm...

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What is the protest about?

Also most student protests are stupid and I support the hitting of dumb collage kids with sticks.

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Analyst: Police chief 50 years behind the times

Police Superintendent José Figueroa Sancha’s handling of last Wednesday’s situation at the Capitol has prompted a barrage of criticism from different political and civic sectors of the country, including several from people linked to the administration and the New Progressive Party.

For several such critics, the incident at the Capitol is but the latest example of Figueroa Sancha’s inability to head Puerto Rico’s Police Department, one that historically has been riddled with cases of corruption and abuse of power.

“The chief of police has not changed with the times. He seems to be stuck in the Cold War era, where he believes his responsibility is to fight against socialism in favor of the West,” political analyst Ignacio Rivera said about Figueroa Sancha’s performance as Police Superintendent.

“He is some 50 years behind,” Rivera added.

Last Wednesday, Figueroa Sancha assumed responsibility for the incident between a riot police squad and a group of citizens, mostly University of Puerto Rico students who tried to enter the Senate to witness the last day of sessions and present a petition to the senators.

The group walked up the north stairs of the Capitol to enter the building only to be repelled and pushed down the stairs by the anti riot agents. A brief confrontation ensued as the group tried to hold their ground against the advancing officers who made indiscriminate use of their nightsticks against students, women and even journalists covering the event. Several demonstrators had to be treated for cuts and bruises and even some fractures after the melee. One police officer received a deep wound on his elbow.
Later that night, Figueroa Sancha admitted he had ordered the police squad to use force to clear the area. The Superintendent also said he had evidence indicating that several demonstrators had been carrying stones and other objects in their backpacks with the alleged intention of throwing them at the police.

“While he [Figueroa Sancha] has not been able to win the favor of career officers within the force, as other civilian Superintendents have done before, he has managed to instill an image of confidence and security in the administration that guarantees his staying at the helm [of the Police Department],” Rivera said.

The political analyst’s statement seems to be confirmed by Gov. Fortuño’s vote of confidence in his Police Superintendent.

Recently questioned whether he would consider dismissing Figueroa Sancha from his post on account of his actions during the Capitol incident, Fortuño expressly denied the possibility.

“That is not under consideration. Of course we have to rethink the way we are going to deal with big demonstrations. Such a sad incident like this [at the Capitol] cannot be repeated,” Fortuño said while justifying the harshness of the police action as a response to “groups openly bent on changing our political system.”

“His image [Figueroa Sancha’s] as protector of the establishment is very well instilled. He has been very effective in this sense,” Rivera said.

Nevertheless, the political analyst considers the Superintendent “a failure” in every other aspect of police work.

“Drug-related crimes are at their highest, domestic violence is rampant and citizens are terrified by the body count ,” Rivera said.


Questioned about the possibility of Figueroa Sancha's making the necessary changes to reduce the crime rate, Rivera didn’t consider him able to perform.

“I don’t think he is intelligent enough to make the necessary corrections. He doesn’t have what it takes,” Rivera said.
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Ichirou

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What is the protest about?

Also most student protests are stupid and I support the hitting of dumb collage kids with sticks.

The budget for the state university is being fucking savaged.  These students were there to protest their education and future being flushed down the toilet.  If you'll read the article, you'll see that journalists and professors also got pepper sprayed and beaten.

Sad to hear you're in favor of repression, Arvie.  You're a good little sheep.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2010, 01:55:31 AM by Ichirou »
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Teach me Spanish, Jose. I took 3 years and remember nothing.
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Fucking boricuas probably got it coming.
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Ichirou

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Fucking boricuas probably got it coming.

shut the fuck up, reirom.
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That would suck if something like that happened in America.
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Ichirou

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That would suck if something like that happened in America.

Puerto Rico is in America. :(
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I'm only funning you. ;)
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i saw some show on television a few years back where some cops (i think it was in haiti?) took this dude's shoes off and beat the living shit out of his bare-bottomed feet with police batons

apparently that's like a regular thing there (wherever it was)
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That would suck if something like that happened in America.

Yeah man.  Dirty bathrooms would totally suck.  

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i saw some show on television a few years back where some cops (i think it was in haiti?) took this dude's shoes off and beat the living shit out of his bare-bottomed feet with police batons

apparently that's like a regular thing there (wherever it was)

You think that's bad?  Here's a video of a Puerto Rican cop killing someone for parking their motorcycle in the middle of the road (the guy was trying to clear the road for his goddaughter's quinceanera).

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Funniest thing?  The police superintendent tried to defend the cop's actions, not realizing someone had videotaped the whole thing.  Cop ended up getting 109 years in prison (PR has no death penalty).
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i'm sure someone's treating his colon to a gentle cleansing there even as i type this
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I'm pretty sure they segregate the ex-cops from general population.

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It can't be worse than Mexico where more than 90% of the crimes go unpunished because of police corruption.  

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I'm pretty sure they segregate the ex-cops from general population.

2 guys 1 cop
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Ichirou

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Reminds me, we need to play some more Red Dead Redemption to get some cheevos.  I want that "2 guys, 1 coop" one. :heartbeat
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Ichi, is it alright for a white person to say cheevos? 

Ichirou

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Why wouldn't it be? ???
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Smooth Groove

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It sounds ethnic.  You can never be too sure with stuff like this. 

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I appreciate your racial sensitivity.
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Thanks, I try.  It's absolutely disgusting when an ignorant bigot gets his slurs wrong, like calling a gook a nip. 

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This would have likely happen in the United States if a mob of people without a permit tried to enter the Capitol building. How difficult would it have been to organize the protest?
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Did you see the other video?  How the fuck do you justify the response to a handful of people trying to go inside the capitol building to hand the legislators a letter by pepper spraying the entire (peaceful) crowd and starting beating on people with a baton?
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Again, is there no way to organize that? In civilized society, we have a process setup just for that - but I can guarantee you that if a group of people tried to enter the Capitol building, regardless of intent, without a permit and without the consent of their representative to do anything, it would not be pretty.

And that's why we have non-fatal dispersement tactics like pepper spray and batons. For dumb people that don't get permits or contact their representatives. It's not difficult - just ask the Tea Partyers. Remember them swarming the halls, courtesy of their GOP representatives?
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Wow, Willco.  I don't think even Boogie would defend these asshole cops beating on students, professors, and JOURNALISTS THERE TO COVER THE EVENT.  You really are a piece of work, dude.

EDIT: And I'm guessing you'd be cool if campus cops did this to students doing a sit-in too, right?  Wow, just wow.
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I just read the Associated Press article, and the cops were just standing in the front of the Capitol building, barring the entrance. They didn't do anything until people tried to enter the building. And there is television footage of people throwing eggs and the like at them?

Yeah, sound like a bunch of great folks. :lol
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Yes, throwing eggs (which, btw, is not visible in the video, it's bullshit that's being made up by the governor and his cronies, along with the "they brought rocks to throw at the police!  Did you even watch the other video which shows it was a PEACEFUL protest?) is grounds for beating the shit out of innocent people with batons and throwing pepper spray at the entire crowd.
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I love your logic. Cops say the Capitol building is closed, the protestors were even allowed to demonstrate outside despite no apparent organization and are then met with non-fatal dispersement tactics after they try to force their way inside the building.

What jerks those cops are, following the rules and whatnot! :lol

You also never answered my question. :lol

Your trolls are getting worse, Ichirou.
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This just in: Will Federman, Hollywood mogul, approves of students and professors getting the shit beaten out of them by cops.

"When will they learn not to mess with authority?" he sighed as he received another lapdance from a young starlet hoping to be cast in his upcoming opus, CandyLand: The Movie.
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BTW, it is actually ILLEGAL for the Capitol building to be closed off while it's in session.  It's actually literally against Puerto Rico's Constitution.  They had barred REPORTERS from the session as well, so no one could see what was going on inside.  Considering it was the last meeting before August, and that they were going to decide on things related to the budget...well, you can see why students and professors who were being fucked over by the Administration, might want to get a word in.
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This just in: Ichirou can't troll with a shit.

Also, if a bunch of college coeds think it's a wise idea to force their way inside a government building that has been closed off, especially without a permit or talking to their representative, maybe there needs to be some budget cuts - because that money spent on education is apparently being wasted.
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BTW, it is actually ILLEGAL for the Capitol building to be closed off while it's in session.  It's actually literally against Puerto Rico's Constitution.  They had barred REPORTERS from the session as well, so no one could see what was going on inside.  Considering it was the last meeting before August, and that they were going to decide on things related to the budget...well, you can see why students and professors who were being fucked over by the Administration, might want to get a word in.

This is the only valid thing you've said so far. Again, if you answered my questions, instead of trying to troll cops - probably would have been better off.
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Those cops were not following the rules.  There have actually been Facebook posts of cops who've said they can't wait until they can use their batons because they're so sick of standing around just looking at the student protesters.

Wow, Willco, I'm honestly not trolling you, but you are commenting on this shit completely uninformed.  The police force in PR is infamous for its excessive brutality.  They've actually KILLED peaceful student protesters before.
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There is actually a campus building named after a student protester who was killed by a stray bullet from a cop's gun.
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I have also told people on Facebook that I can't wait to beat up certain individuals. Lock me up. And we're not talking about other incidents. We're talking about one. The discussion is not about police brutality in Puerto Rico; it's about cops that actually were following the rules. The building was closed off, they barricaded it entirely and barred people from entrance. They didn't start randomly beating up college kids, as excited about that prospect as you are.

Again, I don't know what the permit situation is like there, which is why it was like, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I ASKED YOU.

But instead of answering, you just kind of trolled, which insinuates to me that my original intuition was right and that protesting in Puerto Rico is probably similar to the process in the United States - and your college kids were just being dumb.

This would be a non-story in the United States if a mob of people tried to do this without organization or talking to their representatives. People maced and hit with batons trying to force their way inside the Capitol? We wouldn't really care.
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The most valid argument you have stated, by the way, is that closure of the Capitol building is against the Constitution and in that case, I can get behind some civil dissent. And in that case, your venom should be saved for the authorities that ordered that, not the cops doing their job.
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You're not a police officer standing around with a baton in front of students and then boasting about how you were finally able to kick ass after days of waiting.  If this were your facebook profile pic and you were posting about how much you were looking forward to kicking student ass, I would report you to your precinct:



These kids are in danger of losing their education.  The school's budget is being cut by millions of dollars.  Their tuitions are increasing so much that poorer students are at risk of having to quit school, scholarship programs are being outright eliminated.

If you feel I just "kind of trolled" it's because I didn't think yours was a legitimate response and you were just trolling the thread, as is often your wont.  My apology if you were legitimately inquiring as to the goings-on on the island.

I doubt you would defend the cops if you knew the type of people they were.  Police in PR are scum, dude.  I don't know how they are in the States, but by and large the police on the island are corrupt, ineffective, and prone to violence (did you see the youtube I linked of the cop killing the traffic violator in cold fucking blood?  That happened just TWO YEARS AGO).

I checked and it was a legal protest, btw.  The head of the protest was even told that the strike force would not be at the Capitol building.
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I would like some kind of documentation saying that it was an organized protest with permits and the like, because I'm reading contradicting reports from the media. It sounds like the Capitol was closed, cops barricaded it, kids tried to enter, kids got beat. That's not malicious. There is footage of protestors trying to enter the building and clearly shoving cops and other provocative behavior.

Is being met with mace and batons equal force? No. But the police are not supposed to be cuddly and respectful of your feelings; they are law enforcement, and they were enforcing the law.

Again, this boner you have against cops is almost counter-productive. If it's a matter of people's rights being eliminated and the Constitution being violated, this venom should be directed at the Chief of Police and the Governor - not guys doing their jobs. Unless your homeland is apparently run by police mob rule.

EDIT: I also find it borderline hysterical that any evidence that protestors were not holding hands and singing chants is met with complete skepticism in your case, but you hang around Facebook profiles as evidence of cops are bloodthirsty savages.

Believe it or not, reality is usually somewhere in between. The likelihood is that there were people on BOTH SIDES there that did not have the best of intentions. I don't believe all the protestors were throwing eggs and shoving cops and knocking over cars. I also don't believe all the cops congregated on the footsteps of the building for kicks.

I know, it's a shocker, right? Check it, it's called reality.
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Opposition leaders are already calling for the Chief of Police's resignation.  Governor's approval rating is under 30% (he's a Republican, btw).  The cops are just trigger-happy scumbags, and I call them as such.

I think the heart of the matter is what you consider my "boner against cops."  Are you white-knighting Boogie because this is a thread about cops?  Shall I post some more articles on how the police in PR are institutionally corrupt to prove my point regarding the police in Puerto Rico?  Or are you just gonna keep saying "bubububububu they're just doing their jobs, and if they enjoy beating the shit out of people and maybe going a little too far with the pepper spray, who are we to begrudge them from taking pride in their work?"

Don't trust the AP articles, as they're extremely inaccurate, btw.  The best reporting on the subject is at endi.com, but it's in Spanish.  PR's only English-language newspaper is prdailysun.com.
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Eh, to agree, I can empathize with Ichirou. If students were getting screwed, and barred access from the Capitol building illegally, they have a right to civil dissent. That's what made this country great.

But in that case, this topic should be re-titled, "Governor Luis Fortuno screws over Puerto Rico and orders police to bar protestors illegally from Capitol building; video inside".

Ichirou is clearly trying to troll, though.
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The video shows cops beating the shit out of students, journalists, and professors.  It's completely accurate.
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Also, any questions I have asked, about whether or not permits are necessary to protest, documentation if this protest was even organized, has been met with complete silence and more cop trolling. Shocker.
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The cops are such good guys they actually BROKE CAR WINDOWS to later accuse students of doing it!  Holy fuck!  These are the people Willco is defending!

EDIT: Gonna post the article now, just wanted to post that so Willco would see exactly the type of assholes we're talking about here.  Let's be clear, I am specifically talking about police on the island, who, I will repeat, are infamous for pulling this type of shit.
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Where did you hear that from, Ichirou? More Facebook sources? That's good journalism!

Again, I think you have to agree that protestors did some damage or you just have to concede that Puerto Rico is a military police state. Your pick.

... Jinfash, I see cops using non-fatal dispersement tactics that their American brethren would use in the same, exact situation. Cops are only as good as who gives them the orders.
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Sen. Ortiz blasts police version

Sen. Eder Ortiz Ortiz said that police involved in the student protest which turned violent last Wednesday intentionally broke car windows in order to blame students.

The Popular Democratic Party senator said that he witnessed the unidentified police officers smashing windows with their nightsticks outside the Capitol.  Up until now, these violent actions were thought to have been the students’ doing.

“The police were the ones breaking car windows,” he said in a radio interview with Boricua 740AM.
Ortiz also said that he saw police officers, stationed at the former school of tropical medicine, next to the Capitol, “shooting at people, [but] I don’t know if they were using real bullets.”


“I was there two hours and I never saw anyone carrying stones,” he said. “I did see how the police struck the elderly, and I even saw a young girl who couldn’t have weighed more than 100 pounds being kicked by a member of the riot squad. She didn’t have a backpack, nor a stick, not even a water bottle. She was fleeing and the agent caught  and kicked her,” he recalled.

Ortîz said he intervened in the situation to prevent further aggression against the girl.
He also said that he had to hide at least 12 people in his office who were affected by the tear gas fired by the riot squad. “The people had no way out [of the Capitol],” he said. “Will there be a police officer who dares say otherwise?” he asked rhetorically.

Ortiz rejected Gov. Fortuño’s proposal to appoint a special police inspector to address situations like the one which occurred earlier this week, which has provoked widespread condemnation.

Instead, he suggested establishing an external entity, composed of prominent figures outside of partisan politics, to address the same kind of situations.

He held that the exclusion of the press from the Senate gallery was “the trigger,” to the volatile  situation that continues to prevail in Puerto Rico.

He commented that PDP senators should have voted against the confirmation of Police Chief Figueroa Sancha, as he came with a shady history. He noted the death of Machetero leader Filiberto Ojeda Ríos in 2005 and the incident with a journalist in 2005 during a raid in Rio Piedras as examples.

He then accused Sen. Rivera Schatz of having reached an agreement with the police chief on how to handle the situation which occurred at the Capitol .

“Not all of the ‘populares’ voted for him,” he said, admitting “I voted for him,” but added that “there should have been an institutional decision to vote against him.”
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Ichirou, can you please turn down the asshurt by a few notches? kplzthx

I agree with Willco.  I'm not going to shed tears over students breaking the rules who get some push back from the authorities.  Cops are generally an easy target of rage for the socially impotent, like the students who need to take it up with the government, not with cops doing their jobs.
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Where did you hear that from, Ichirou? More Facebook sources? That's good journalism!

A fucking STATE SENATOR who saw it with his own eyes, dude.  You can't get more legitimate than that.

Just posted the article, here's a link:

http://www.prdailysun.com/news/Sen-Ortiz-blasts-police-version
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Ichirou, can you please turn down the asshurt by a few notches? kplzthx

I agree with Willco.  I'm not going to shed tears over students breaking the rules who get some push back from the authorities.  Cops are generally an easy target of rage for the socially impotent, like the students who need to take it up with the government, not with cops doing their jobs.

Dear T EXP, you are clueless.  I guess the cops were busting windows and beating the shit out of unarmed old men and fleeing 100 pound girls because it was their job.

And if you'll read the rest of the thread, you'll see it was the government who was breaking the rules by barring press from the Capitol building, which, again, is unprecedented and unconstitutional.
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I'm not trying to derail the thread, but I wish Ichi would focus on case at a time instead of jumping between topics, linking reports of cops' corruption in PR, because I'm not sure what we're discussing anymore.

I'm focusing on this specific case.  The news report about the broken car windows is from the riot in the OP.  The police were claiming students were throwing rocks and eggs.  A State senator has come forward to say he saw POLICE breaking car windows and shooting at elderly men and unarmed girls.
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Again, this is from a State senator, not from some random Facebook posting or blog.  An elected official who said he saw this happen and is basically saying the official police version of events is a lie.
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It is ok for cops to use force to break up violent protests but this doesn't mean that they can start breaking peoples limbs simply a couple of eggs have been thrown at them.
Also, just because a cop made a funny on his facebook doesn't make all the cops who were there that day assholes too.

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BTW, I'm sure Willco won't give this any validity, but a former professor of mine who was at Wednesday's protest mentioned many police weren't carrying their badges with them so people couldn't take their badge numbers down in case they wanted to file reports.
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Doesn't make it any less true.  She's also a journalism professor, btw, not the type to make shit up.  It's also happened before in previous protests related to this university budget issue.  I can definitely find at least a couple of articles about police not bringing their badges to protests so they can't have complaints filed against them.
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Doesn't make it any less true.  She's also a journalism professor, btw, not the type to make shit up.  It's also happened before in previous protests related to this university budget issue.  I can definitely find at least a couple of articles about police not bringing their badges to protests so they can't have complaints filed against them.
Yeah and many ambulance drivers didn't carry their badges on them so that the cops won't report them.

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Wow, as soon as I posted the article about a State senator seeing the police break car windows so they could later blame students for it, Willco stopped replying.  Hmmm...curious.
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