Author Topic: Official Thread of Inception: Best summer blockbuster since 2009! (Read 71060 times)

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #60 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:29:30 AM »

The initial sequence of the tripods coming up from the ground and the terrific sound design vindicates War of the Worlds from Indy 4 purgatory.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #61 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:36:09 AM »

WOTW was mostly heinous because of how it so transparently exploited 9/11 fears.

Ichirou · « **Reply #62 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:39:27 AM »

The ending for War of the World ruined it, just like Minority Report's ending ruined it. Spielberg is just way too sentimental (or focused on boffo box office) to give a movie the appropriate downer ending.

Quote from: Smooth Groove on July 05, 2010, 11:56:50 PM

BTW, who was it that compared Cheebs to Drinky Crow?

There are some Drinky-a-likes in this board but I'd never label Cheebs among them.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #63 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:41:51 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2010, 12:29:30 AM

The initial sequence of the tripods coming up from the ground and the terrific sound design vindicates War of the Worlds from Indy 4 purgatory.

Yeah, the first half was pretty good, especially the sequence you mentioned, but the second half and the ending with the son suddenly showing up and everyone's all happy and having a party was so absolutely awful.

Cheebs · « **Reply #64 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:44:46 AM »

I liked the concept of having a alien invasion movie without focusing on the military or politicians and not explain any of it. It wasn't executed very well but it was a great concept.

Ichirou · « **Reply #65 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:45:17 AM »

The whole thing about the tripods coming up from the ground didn't really make much sense to me, though it definitely looked good from a visual perspective.

Part of that scene made no sense, though. The tripods emitted an electromagnetic pulse that disabled all electronics and yet a guy is videotaping them with his camera (and part of the scene is seen through the perspective of the video he's recording). That was just lazy.

Ichirou · « **Reply #66 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:45:33 AM »

Quote from: Cheebs on July 06, 2010, 12:44:46 AM

I liked the concept of having a alien invasion movie without focusing on the military or politicians and not explain any of it. It wasn't executed very well but it was a great concept.

Yeah, Signs was pretty awesome.

Donono · « **Reply #67 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:50:19 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2010, 12:29:30 AM

The initial sequence of the tripods coming up from the ground and the terrific sound design vindicates War of the Worlds from Indy 4 purgatory.

Yeah it has some amazing sound work.

I like the film except for the part where a loco Tim Robbins breaks out of Shawshank and holds them hostage in an antique store.

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though that part does have an intense ending

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Cheebs · « **Reply #68 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:53:37 AM »

Speaking of later-day Spielberg what do you kids think about A.I.? When it came out it seemed like everyone dismissed it then out of nowhere when all the big wig critics were doing their top 10 of the decade it kept popping up as if it had a major re-assessment. I haven't watched it in years but I can't remember it being as amazing as critics suddenly started treating it as recently.

EvilBoris · « **Reply #69 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:54:23 AM »

ichi: tripod sleeper cells = 9/11 reference .. if that's your thing.

oh yeah war of the worlds (2005) completely shames any nolan endeavour to evoke vertigo, panic or any sensual thrill from a set piece. half a great movie i say

inception sure looks groovy and prime for nolan style info-heavy propulsion (but also his editing slack, straightjacketed acting, dialogue) but i'm not taking to the usual pre-ordained raves from the target market movie news websites.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #70 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:56:10 AM »

AI failed from the get-go because I just wanted to shut off the creepy robot myself. Lots of people felt the same or at least were unable to empathize with the kid at all.

Ichirou · « **Reply #71 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:57:24 AM »

Quote from: Cheebs on July 06, 2010, 12:53:37 AM

Speaking of later-day Spielberg what do you kids think about A.I.? When it came out it seemed like everyone dismissed it then out of nowhere when all the big wig critics were doing their top 10 of the decade it kept popping up as if it had a major re-assessment. I haven't watched it in years but I can't remember it being as amazing as critics suddenly started treating it as recently.

It's crap. The Chris Rock cameo alone is a dealbreaker, and that's just a tip of the iceberg. The film has a whole mess of things wrong with it.

Cheebs · « **Reply #72 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:58:30 AM »

Wasn't there a cgi Robin Williams in it too?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #73 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:00:29 AM »

I guess AI could be alright if you put on hipster glasses and view it as a sci-fi retelling of the Oedipus myth.

brawndolicious · « **Reply #74 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:00:49 AM »

Quote from: BlueTsunami on July 05, 2010, 09:03:46 PM

Fortunately this movie doesn't have Bale to shit it up

I think Nolan is massively over-rated (hated his batmans and thought memento was mediocre as fuck) but this is the one thing that gives me hope that this might not suck.

Ichirou · « **Reply #75 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:00:55 AM »

Yes, and Meryl Streep as the Blue Fairy. And the guy from Just Shoot Me as the murderous husband who frames Gigolo Joe.

ManaByte · « **Reply #76 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:20:28 AM »

I love how people bitch about the WotW ending without knowing anything about the source material.

Ichirou · « **Reply #77 on:** July 06, 2010, 02:53:25 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on July 06, 2010, 02:20:28 AM

I love how people bitch about the WotW ending without knowing anything about the source material.

I've read the book.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #78 on:** July 06, 2010, 09:33:28 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on July 06, 2010, 12:45:17 AM

Part of that scene made no sense, though. The tripods emitted an electromagnetic pulse that disabled all electronics and yet a guy is videotaping them with his camera (and part of the scene is seen through the perspective of the video he's recording). That was just lazy.

That's David Koepp for you, not Spielberg. He's a pretty lazy screenwriter, but one of the most commercially successful of all-time.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #79 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:05:40 AM »

Quote from: ManaByte on July 06, 2010, 02:20:28 AM

I love how people bitch about the WotW ending without knowing anything about the source material.

I've read the book. I know how it ends and why it ends.

My problem with the movie ending is that the guy and his daughter make their way to his parents house and it's all practically pristine, no damage anywhere and his parents are just hanging out and waiting for him to show up so they can have a party. And then, to top it all off, his idiot son, who charged head first into a battle between tripods and the army suddenly appears at exactly the same time as they do, unharmed and ready to accept his father's love.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #80 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:08:48 AM »

... Just the way H.G. Wells imagined it.

That ending is, more or less, my problem with the film. That and the fact that it is poorly edited. It is by no means, a horrible film. And leagues better than trash like The Last Airbender and Twilight.

Ichirou · « **Reply #81 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:12:12 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2010, 09:33:28 AM

Quote from: Ichirou on July 06, 2010, 12:45:17 AM
Part of that scene made no sense, though. The tripods emitted an electromagnetic pulse that disabled all electronics and yet a guy is videotaping them with his camera (and part of the scene is seen through the perspective of the video he's recording). That was just lazy.

That's David Koepp for you, not Spielberg. He's a pretty lazy screenwriter, but one of the most commercially successful of all-time.

Koepp wrote it, but Spielberg shot it. You're telling me Spielberg is so stupid he didn't realize that shooting it that way wouldn't make sense? It was just sloppy work on his part. C'mon, man.

The ending with Cruise's son magically appearing alive and well was also a fucking joke. Someone mentioned the stuff with Tim Robbins, that should've been cut out of the movie entirely, it was so bad.

Very, very flawed movie.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #82 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:15:35 AM »

Often times, you don't really pay attention to a detail like that on set. Why? Because you're focused on a million and one other things. Not only that, that script changed daily. There's no fucking way Spielberg realized that, and I can't blame him for that.

You might figure it out when you're in the editing bay, and do you decide it's worth spending extra money for pick up shots? Probably not.

Ichirou · « **Reply #83 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:22:44 AM »

Quote from: The Fake Shemp on July 06, 2010, 10:15:35 AM

Often times, you don't really pay attention to a detail like that on set. Why? Because you're focused on a million and one other things. Not only that, that script changed daily. There's no fucking way Spielberg realized that, and I can't blame him for that.

One of the biggest set pieces was the crashed plane that crashed because of the EMP. That means that particular plot point was a pretty definitive part of the script, even if there were these daily changes that you claim (any links about these daily script changes?). Face it, Spielberg was fucking sloppy, and it showed. But I don't care enough about the movie to keep arguing this with you, not that you'd ever admit you could possibly be mistaken. It's definitely one of Spielberg's lesser works, probably only notable today because of the rift it caused between Spielberg and Cruise due to Cruise's promotion of Scientology during the movie's publicity tour.

Cheebs · « **Reply #84 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:27:17 AM »

Speaking of Cruise in it, the movie itself is obviously very mixed as is Cruise's performance but I was suprised how Cruise was able to pull off that "middle class working man nobody" lead Spielberg always loves to use. Obviously he was no Dreyfuss in Close Encounters or anything but Cruise did better in that standard Spielberg role which tends to go against the type of role Cruise normally plays than I thought he would have.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #85 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:32:32 AM »

Quote from: Ichirou on July 06, 2010, 10:22:44 AM

One of the biggest set pieces was the crashed plane that crashed because of the EMP. That means that particular plot point was a pretty definitive part of the script, even if there were these daily changes that you claim (any links about these daily script changes?).

Are you kidding? Welcome to Hollywood, where there are shooting script changes daily. That's a fact of life for ANY film.

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Face it, Spielberg was fucking sloppy, and it showed. But I don't care enough about the movie to keep arguing this with you, not that you'd ever admit you could possibly be mistaken. It's definitely one of Spielberg's lesser works, probably only notable today because of the rift it caused between Spielberg and Cruise due to Cruise's promotion of Scientology during the movie's publicity tour.

Guh? I even said it was one of Spielberg's lesser works, but one of your complaints was with the screenplay, which Spielberg did not write. That kind of consistency is not even his responsibility on set! If anything, you should be bitching at one of the producers for not picking it up.

The likelihood is that nobody thought of it, because films are not shot in chronological order or anything. Being on a big major tentpole set is like shooting a bunch of moving, disconnected parts and then piecing them together in post. That's why that stuff doesn't cross people's minds.

Ichirou · « **Reply #86 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:33:41 AM »

Hollywood insider Willco, give me some fucking evidence that there were daily rewrites that introduced an element as important as the EMP. A link to a fucking Ain't It Cool News article, even. Tsk.

Willco annihilated in all holes.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #87 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:37:48 AM »

I never said there were daily rewrites that introduced an element as important as the EMP, you loon.

The point is that the shooting script changes daily, which it does, for any film. That's why a writer is almost always on set, to punch up lines, change a scene due to unforeseen circumstances, etc.

Combined with the fact that a film is not shot chronologically, a director is not going to notice a small plot hole on set that some daft Puerto Rican Internet troll bitches about years later.

Ichirou · « **Reply #88 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:40:20 AM »

You know someone has no ammo left in their trolling arsenal when they're down to calling you out because of your country of origin (which matters in this discussion...how? Exactly).

Bored with this. Later, Willco.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #89 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:43:37 AM »

Ichirou annihilated, running away per usual.

Hopefully, next time he'll tell us how police hired for security detail on film sets are all baton-twirling, testosterone-fueled jerks.

Cheebs · « **Reply #90 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:46:13 AM »

To be fair Spielberg is a director who doesn't really know what his film will be till he gets to the editing room. I have seen him say he has no clue how how his film will turn out till he starts editing, iirc I remember seeing him say he isn't a fan of doing detailed storyboards.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #91 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:48:38 AM »

That's pretty much the case for any major film production, though. Ichirou apparently thinks Spielberg should also be a script supervisor.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #92 on:** July 06, 2010, 10:58:49 AM »

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #93 on:** July 06, 2010, 11:00:38 AM »

Smells like roses.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #94 on:** July 06, 2010, 12:26:04 PM »

Inception got another positive review, by the way.

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #95 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:04:04 PM »

Is this for real? Kubrick would be proud?

Of what? An action blockbuster with a Brain? Fucks sake people. Matrix came out in 99

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #96 on:** July 06, 2010, 01:47:01 PM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on July 06, 2010, 01:04:04 PM

Is this for real? Kubrick would be proud?

Of what? An action blockbuster with a Brain? Fucks sake people. Matrix came out in 99

Here's the reviewer's reasoning behind that:

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Like Stanley Kubrick did 42 years ago in 2001, Nolan masterfully uses our confusion like it's a piece in his hard-to-solve puzzle.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #97 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:10:13 PM »

Here's some more reviews:

Quote from: Empire Magazine

With physics-defying, thunderous action, heart-wringing emotion and an astonishing performance from DiCaprio, Nolan delivers another true original: welcome to an undiscovered country.

Quote from: ComingSoon.net

Nolan's most personal and daring film, "Inception" contains some of Nolan's most innovative ideas since "Memento." It's also his most successful movie in terms of being able to fully realize every nuance of such a rich concept.

Quote from: IndieWIRE

As intricate as Nolan's script is (he worked on it for a decade), the movie is not just a feat of cinematic wizardry, although it comes close to the level of technological derring-do carried off by the likes of Stanley Kubrick. Inception also has heart.

Quote from: IGN Movies

Inception could very well be Nolan's masterpiece.

100% with 14 reviews, average score is 9.4 out of 10.

Mupepe · « **Reply #98 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:12:13 PM »

I'll probably end up fucking the shit out of Inception

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #99 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:12:44 PM »

Looks pretty cool, but it'll probably have some medicore-to-awful editing, much like all of Nolan's movies.

Mupepe · « **Reply #100 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:13:26 PM »

It will probably be amazing the first time you watch it and then the second time there will be 20 minute stretches that you're bored out of your fucking mind. Oh hello, TDK.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #101 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:15:55 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on July 08, 2010, 02:12:44 PM

Looks pretty cool, but it'll probably have some medicore-to-awful editing, much like all of Nolan's movies.

So you're not a fan of The Dark Knight's OSCAR-NOMINATED film editing?

Mupepe · « **Reply #102 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:19:22 PM »

So you're not a fan of the OSCAR-NOMINATED movie Crash/The Blind Side/Babel/Seabiscuit?

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All pretty crappy movies

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #103 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:24:13 PM »

Joke's on you, Crash is an OSCAR-WINNER.

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Mupepe · « **Reply #104 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:28:45 PM »

I'm just trolling. I'm sure Inception will be fucking awesome. I love the shit out of his other movies, but he does seem to have pacing issues.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #105 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:31:35 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on July 08, 2010, 02:28:45 PM

I'm just trolling.

I figured the all-caps and bolding was a dead giveaway, but I suppose not.

Mupepe · « **Reply #106 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:32:16 PM »

I could have been seriously mocking you. You don't know me, man.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #107 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:34:53 PM »

It's because there's this perception among critics that an "artsy" film can't move at a fast pace.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #108 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:35:59 PM »

Quote from: Rob Thomas on July 08, 2010, 02:32:16 PM

I could have been seriously mocking you. You don't know me, man.

And I could have been using sarcasm in my original post.

Mupepe · « **Reply #109 on:** July 08, 2010, 02:37:53 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2010, 02:35:59 PM

Quote from: Rob Thomas on July 08, 2010, 02:32:16 PM
I could have been seriously mocking you. You don't know me, man.

And I could have been using sarcasm in my original post.

You don't know me, man.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #110 on:** July 08, 2010, 03:59:23 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on July 08, 2010, 03:38:23 PM

Nolan has a problem framing action scenes but maybe this one will fix that since TDK was better than BB.

Actually the biggest problem with the action in TDK was that utterly ridiculous James Bond scene that was both poorly done and way out of place.

Which scene are you talking about?

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #111 on:** July 08, 2010, 04:08:29 PM »

Probably the hostage scene at the end.

Mupepe · « **Reply #112 on:** July 08, 2010, 04:11:03 PM »

or the race in the city in your fancy car to save a life scene.

or the put the bullet back together with crazy technology that barely explains anything and jump on your bike to save the day scene

Mupepe · « **Reply #113 on:** July 08, 2010, 04:17:10 PM »

the scene was pretty fucking awesome in IMAX though. I was fucking cumming and shit.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #114 on:** July 08, 2010, 04:19:26 PM »

you cum to everything

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #115 on:** July 08, 2010, 04:23:11 PM »

Hostage scene at the end was filmed horribly too. It was just like the fight scenes in BB that were impossible to see WTF was going on.

Mupepe · « **Reply #116 on:** July 08, 2010, 04:25:55 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on July 08, 2010, 04:19:26 PM

you cum to everything

lies. pretty much only to you

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #117 on:** July 12, 2010, 05:18:37 PM »

Inception finally got a bad review.

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It wasn't Armond White

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Cheebs · « **Reply #118 on:** July 12, 2010, 05:27:44 PM »

New York critics hate Nolan. Majority of NY critics gave TDK a bad review.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #119 on:** July 12, 2010, 06:13:23 PM »

Quote from: Cheebs on July 12, 2010, 05:27:44 PM

New York critics hate Nolan. Majority of NY critics gave TDK a bad review.

I don't really get it, but this does seem to be the case.

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