Fallout 3 I am started playing game

[Bildi]

I just started playing it again last week.  In spite of being 120 hours in I still find go to do something, then get sidetracked for hours.  What an incredible time-sink.

Also, AC1 = Fallout 3 >>>>> AC2.

[BlueTsunami]

About the battle mechanics, even after playing three times I still enjoy infiltrating the Bethesda Ruins. Not sure why its so polarizing but I love the fuck out of the mixture of VATS and real time mechanics.

[Ichirou]

dcharlie is still a crybaby because I refuse to hang out with him.

i've been in your room... or at least... outside it in the bushes for 12 hours.

Hah, there are no bushes outside my room.

[Ichirou]

This game is pretty boring so far.  smh at weapons breaking.

[Stoney Mason]

Not sure why its so polarizing but I love the fuck out of the mixture of VATS and real time mechanics.

Because dumb people thought they could play it like a shooter. I think one of the flaws New Vegas is making is actually trying to make it a true shooter in that engine.

[tiesto]

Not sure why its so polarizing but I love the fuck out of the mixture of VATS and real time mechanics.

Because dumb people thought they could play it like a shooter. I think one of the flaws New Vegas is making is actually trying to make it a true shooter in that engine.

Ehhh, I mostly played it like an RPG.... but really, in the endgame it's like... see enemy, hit RB to go into VATS, target the head till your AP runs out... if enemy isn't dead, run and hide for a bit till you build your AP up, then repeat.

[Stoney Mason]

Not sure why its so polarizing but I love the fuck out of the mixture of VATS and real time mechanics.

Because dumb people thought they could play it like a shooter. I think one of the flaws New Vegas is making is actually trying to make it a true shooter in that engine.

Ehhh, I mostly played it like an RPG.... but really, in the endgame it's like... see enemy, hit RB to go into VATS, target the head till your AP runs out... if enemy isn't dead, run and hide for a bit till you build your AP up, then repeat.

I think that's the way most people played it but if I was to pick a flaw with the game, I think its not making the combat even more tactical but I understand why they made the decision they did for accessibility. Same with New Vegas. I just think trying to turn the game into a true fps game only exposes how poor it is in that regard.

[Bildi]

I found the game became more tactical once you built up some good perks and equipment.  Especially getting good at stealth combined with the perk that refills your AP if you kill the enemy while in VATS.  Pity all this happens only when you're getting into the higher levels.  I guess it helps keep the game fresh though.

This game is pretty boring so far.  smh at weapons breaking.

I thought the game was crap when I started.  I even re-did my first character and started over after spending about 10 hours on the game.  I think it took 15 hours or so before I started to enjoy it.

Thinking VATS was dumb, I tried playing it as a shooter at first and constantly ran out of ammo.  Once I started using VATS exclusively the game suddenly became fun for me.  It's such an odd mix of a game, but maybe it'll click with you if you can put up with it long enough.

[Himu]

Can't wait to get this on pc so when I replay it I can cheat and make my character's stats so high that fighting is a non-issue and I concentrate on what I like to do in the game: explore, sneak around, and convince someone to do my bidding. Bad combat is a non-issue when you can kill everything in one hit.

[fistfulofmetal]

Can't wait to get this on pc so when I replay it I can cheat and make my character's stats so high that fighting is a non-issue and I concentrate on what I like to do in the game: explore, sneak around, and convince someone to do my bidding. Bad combat is a non-issue when you can kill everything in one hit.

i'm close to liking you again. keep having good opinions.

[Himu]

thank you honey

[brawndolicious]

One thing they could do to really improve the combat is make it not feel like your character is skating on molasses-covered ice.  Make it feel like you have some actual momentum (ie: bad company 2).
 
The other problem is that this game, being mostly an RPG, has to reward you more for your stats and loot than for your headshot-skill.  It's pretty annoying when you do three headshots on a mutant with your hunting rifle and he still has half health.  I think with New Vegas they may make it more important what weapons you use against what enemies (especially on hardcore mode).  It would be a nice change not to have to approach every enemy like a spreadsheet.

Can't wait to get this on pc so when I replay it I can cheat and make my character's stats so high that fighting is a non-issue and I concentrate on what I like to do in the game: explore, sneak around, and convince someone to do my bidding. Bad combat is a non-issue when you can kill everything in one hit.

Stealth was worse than combat.  There were very few places where you could even do that and they were usually part of the story.  Persuasion was also really rare.

If you can't enjoy the combat for what it is (VATS and inventory management) than you're going to skip like 99% of the game.

[Himu]

I think I will still cheat to make one hit kills possible. Even if persuasion is rare, you've still got the meat of the game: adventure and side quests. Don't give a shit about fragging some guy. Hell, cheating would have made the part at Washington Monument/White House more bearable.

[Stoney Mason]

Combat was never especially hard once you started leveling. And removing what small challenge existed there isn't my idea of fun. But to each his own.

[Himu]

People appreciating different game elements from you = trolling?

[fistfulofmetal]

Combat was never especially hard once you started leveling. And removing what small challenge existed there isn't my idea of fun. But to each his own.

its not that the combat was hard

it's that the combat sucked

hard

[Himu]

Eh, it had its moments. I certainly liked it when I first encountered the fire ants and they were slaughtering me left and right.

[fistfulofmetal]

nope, it sucked all the time

[Himu]

The only reason I brought it up isn't because I thought it sucked -- though it was slightly disappointing due to the rpg nature of the game, but vats still helped it feel like an rpg -- but because I like the exploration and questing more than the combat. By making the combat almost completely out of the way, I get to enjoy what I like even more.

I never managed to beat Fallout 3 because Bethesda is ran by fucking idiots who didn't allow you to keep playing the game once you beat the main story, but whenever I get Fallout 3 GOTY Edition for pc, I'm going all the way out whenever I play it.

Can't wait.

Next time you play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, hack the console so you get 9999 xp points, and become a behemoth. Watch the game become a hundred times funner. I'm not even kidding.

[Eel O'Brian]

i don't know what you guys are talking about

once i leveled up high enough i hardly ever used vats, and i was sniping death claws across vast stretches of land just fine

[Eel O'Brian]

I never managed to beat Fallout 3 because Bethesda is ran by fucking idiots who didn't allow you to keep playing the game once you beat the main story

maybe you don't remember this, but i remember a lot of people whining about there being no distinct finish to oblivion, so bethesda decided to have a definite ending in their next game

bethesda aren't run by fucking idiots, in fact every time i've ever heard todd howard in a podcast or read an interview, he seems like a dude really open to criticism and willing to cop to flaws in bethesda games

i swear, some of you will expend endless amounts of energy and write reams of text defending whatever carbon copy plot uguu` of the month is out there, but you fucking nitpick a game like this to death

[Himu]

Jesus Christ, deathclaws smh

[Himu]

i swear, some of you will expend endless amounts of energy and write reams of text defending whatever carbon copy plot uguu` of the month is out there, but you fucking nitpick a game like this to death

What are you talking about? This is an equal opportunity gaming forum. Many of us give games like FF13 more guff. Saying "lol can't continue the story"  is nowhere near the same thing as saying,"lol ff13 is trash I'm going to sell it." Because it's obvious with at least, people like me and tiesto, we love and have defended the game despite our issues with it.

if it's a flaw, people will bring it up.
if it's a positive, people will bring it up.

There is no bias here.

[BlueTsunami]

i don't know what you guys are talking about

once i leveled up high enough i hardly ever used vats, and i was sniping death claws across vast stretches of land just fine

I always used Ol' Faithful from the Republic of Dave in realtime when VATS accuracy was too low. Easy kill for Raiders and great for picking off mutants too. Also the shotgun didn't require VATS, just aim in the general area of the enemy face and SKEET SKEET SKEET.  But yeah, I don't really get the real time complaints. It ain't no CoD but it got the job done.

[Eel O'Brian]

i swear, some of you will expend endless amounts of energy and write reams of text defending whatever carbon copy plot uguu` of the month is out there, but you fucking nitpick a game like this to death

What are you talking about? This is an equal opportunity gaming forum. Many of us give games like FF13 more guff. Saying "lol can't continue the story"  is nowhere near the same thing as saying,"lol ff13 is trash I'm going to sell it." Because it's obvious with at least, people like me and tiesto, we love and have defended the game despite our issues with it.

if it's a flaw, people will bring it up.
if it's a positive, people will bring it up.

There is no bias here.

lol

[Himu]

But yeah, I don't really get the real time complaints. It ain't no CoD but it got the job done.

I agree with this.

[Himu]

i swear, some of you will expend endless amounts of energy and write reams of text defending whatever carbon copy plot uguu` of the month is out there, but you fucking nitpick a game like this to death

What are you talking about? This is an equal opportunity gaming forum. Many of us give games like FF13 more guff. Saying "lol can't continue the story"  is nowhere near the same thing as saying,"lol ff13 is trash I'm going to sell it." Because it's obvious with at least, people like me and tiesto, we love and have defended the game despite our issues with it.

if it's a flaw, people will bring it up.
if it's a positive, people will bring it up.

There is no bias here.

lol

Eel: why does fallout 3 and its ilk get picked on

me on tales of the abyss:

You said that about Abyss and look how that turned out: shit game with 5 fps overworld. Vesperia owns.

franz on ff13:

beat it.  Yeah, the old raging hate for this game was coming back towards the end.     

Had no fucking clue what was going on in the ending but parts of it were pretty, I guess.  Pretty much sums up the whole game, nothing makes any sense BUT HEY LOOK AT THIS PRETTY CRYSTAL look at it look at it look at it and waves of color and magic shit sparkling and vanille orgasming at everything !!!!   Who cares if none of it makes sense when it's all so beautiful!! 

Probably gonna trade it in, then pick it up on the cheap sometime later to go back to the good part.

bluetsu on ff13:

I really should just skip them (the thought passed my mind too now that the gang is split up and feels all like a giant tutorial) but for some reason I keep hoping it'll get better. Hell, I gritted my teeth and watch all the Star Ocean 4 cutscenes but this, this feels more mind numbing for some reason (Star Ocean 4 at least had the benefit of having a epic and large scenario being toyed with right at the beginning). The story at the beginning of FFXIII feels absolutely aimless, long and aimless.

me on ff13:

chapters 6-8 were great. 9 sucked, 10 sucked, 11 is fab, 12 sucks, 13 is shit

game am all ovah da place

blue the entire story is aimless

jinfash on resonance of fate:

Ok I just read the Wiki. It's a decent story, I'm surprised, but holy fuck at how they chose to present it. If they opted for a less disconnected set of flashbacks and just unfold story in a normal way it would've been 10 times more effective and less boring.

I'm currently in chapter 10 and I can't believe what they expected me to gather from the story up until this point.

So much for writing blocks of texts defending the subtleties of uguu games. Can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Keep your delusions to yourself, but don't act like the rest of us don't critique other games just cuz they ain't frag fests.

[Himu]

I love using my Game Genie to give me unlimited invincibility in Super Mario World because it eliminates the garbage combat at lets me concentrate on what I like about the game:  the platform jumping and exploration.  Seriously, try it.  The game is a million time more funner! 

Like that really is the same thing. "combat" in Mario is simply jumping on an enemies head.

Combat in the bulk of 3d wrpgs is flailing around with horrible controls and zero strategy. Pretty fun right? No, it's not. But exploring and questing are! And that's the area most of these games concentrate on to begin with.

[youtube=560,345]8l5zUztMyvo[/youtube]

Look at this deep and fun combat system! So fun! I'd rather one hit kill everything and skip it.

[Himu]

It would be. Dragon Age owns.

[Himu]

Nawwwwwww

[Eel O'Brian]

Keep my delusions to myself?  You got so bent out of shape and butthurt over a little comment you actually searched and pulled single out-of-context comments from threads in an effort to "prove" whatever it is you're trying to prove. 

"See, here's me saying something critical this one time!  PROOF!"

Really, now.

[Smooth Groove]

Don't worry, Eel.  Himu has already been reported for excessive trolling. 

[Himu]

 

[Himu]

This is also why Starcraft sucks.  It needs turn-based combat.

I prefer Warcraft, but if you say so!

I don't think you understand what I'm saying at all. I don't think Vamp: Bloodlines combat is bad because it's not command based. I think it sucks because it plays like shit.

I call a spade a spade. Don't care. If it's shit or you don't really enjoy it, but enjoy other parts of the game and can easily get past your issues with it, why not?

Did you do the mining crap in Mass Effect 2 even though it sucked shit and wasn't fun at all?

Hehe.

Sucker. Hacked that shit for maximum resources so I didn't have to do it.

[Himu]

The bottom line is this:

is it fun?

y/n

If yes: keep doing it

If no: keep doing it if it's not avoidable. if it's avoidable don't do it, but if it's avoidable and completely hackable, whether or not it's shitty getting game dlc that's already on the cart or disc or bypassing some shitty game mechanic, I say go all out.

Fun is all that matters. Mining in ME2 sucks. Fighting crabs and missing despite hitting them sucks. Crappy loose combat sucks. Entirely avoidable by putting in a few digits and numbers? I say do it.

Fun > everything else

But the funny thing is, I only do this with pc games. @ pc developers

[Great Rumbler]

I love using my Game Genie to give me unlimited invincibility in Super Mario World because it eliminates the garbage combat at lets me concentrate on what I like about the game:  the platform jumping and exploration.  Seriously, try it.  The game is a million time more funner! 

Like that really is the same thing. "combat" in Mario is simply jumping on an enemies head.

Combat in the bulk of 3d wrpgs is flailing around with horrible controls and zero strategy. Pretty fun right? No, it's not. But exploring and questing are! And that's the area most of these games concentrate on to begin with.

[youtube=560,345]8l5zUztMyvo[/youtube]

Look at this deep and fun combat system! So fun! I'd rather one hit kill everything and skip it.

Bloodlines was made by a crew who had ZERO experience with 3D engines and realtime combat, nevermind that they were so far behind that they had to cut out tons of content and ship a product that was so riddled with bugs that it took years of fan-patching just to make it PLAYABLE. Using that as some kind of example that WRPGs have horrible combat is ridiculous.

[Himu]

I wasn't using it as example that wrpgs have horrible combat. I was using it as an example of a game the BENEFITS from modifying the game engine to your own desires to make it a more fun experience for you, which The Business apparently does not understand.

Even you've admitted you'd cheat in the later part of Bloodlines to make the experience more fun.

[Great Rumbler]

I wasn't using it as example that wrpgs have horrible combat. I was using it as an example of a game the BENEFITS from modifying the game engine to your own desires to make it a more fun experience for you, which The Business apparently does not understand.

Even you've admitted you'd cheat in the later part of Bloodlines to make the experience more fun.

In the later part, yeah, where it forces you to be a combat-focused character, effectively ignoring the fact that you poured your points into stealth or charm. But I wouldn't plop down a bunch of cheats to start my character off as level 20 though.

[Himu]

Then what about a combat heavy game like Fallout 3 where charming or sneaking your way isn't always an answer?

[Great Rumbler]

Then what about a combat heavy game like Fallout 3 where charming or sneaking your way isn't always an answer?

If it's a combat heavy game, why would I have neglected getting some combat-oriented skills early on?

[Himu]

But we're talking about an open-ended game experience. What if it's a combat heavy game that also includes non-combat related skills, making your character gimped by end game?

The fact that it has been said that you can apparently beat Fallout: New Vegas without killing anyone (I read this right?) makes me really excited.

[Great Rumbler]

But we're talking about an open-ended game experience. What if it's a combat heavy game that also includes non-combat related skills, making your character gimped by end game?

Well, I put points into charm with my Fallout 3 character and I still had enough left over to get me through on the combat side as well. Bloodlines is a completely different animal.

I've never even heard of that game.

It's one of the best RPGs of the past decade, despite a preponderance of flaws and a final third that completely tanks.

[Brehvolution]

Has anyone done a play through as a decimator? kill everything that moves going town to town.

fire ants

[Himu]

i didn't think the classes really mattered in fallout 3?

[Positive Touch]

fallout 3 combat was awesome if you actually cranked up the difficulty instead of playing on pansy difficulty.  you actually WOULD have to use strategy because you'd do such a small amount of damage.  the early game felt almost like survival horror because you had to creep around since you couldn't take on more than a couple enemies at once.  Mutants were almost invincible unless you destroyed their weapons.  The larger animals would kill you in 2-3 hits if you didn't cripple them first to keep from getting close.  You'd even have to make good use of the available drugs/alcohol to boost your stats.  Hell, even at the end of the game deathclaws, yao guis or whatever, and those big-ass crabs could still do a decent job of fucking you up.  the challenge and strategy was there if you wanted it.

[Himu]

I've never actually that with Fallout 3. Never played it on pc.

[Himu]

fallout 3 combat was awesome if you actually cranked up the difficulty instead of playing on pansy difficulty.  you actually WOULD have to use strategy because you'd do such a small amount of damage.  the early game felt almost like survival horror because you had to creep around since you couldn't take on more than a couple enemies at once.  Mutants were almost invincible unless you destroyed their weapons.  The larger animals would kill you in 2-3 hits if you didn't cripple them first to keep from getting close.  You'd even have to make good use of the available drugs/alcohol to boost your stats.  Hell, even at the end of the game deathclaws, yao guis or whatever, and those big-ass crabs could still do a decent job of fucking you up.  the challenge and strategy was there if you wanted it.

You forgot the fire ants.

[Positive Touch]

i played it on ps3 ffs

[Himu]

Nothin wrong with ps3 version. Still awesome.

[Positive Touch]

You forgot the fire ants.

that was the last quest i completed

[Himu]

The fire ants were tricky as hell. They were fast, they shat fire, and seemed impossible without a heavy dosage of experimentation. For that alone, I could never call Fallout 3's combat shit.

[brawndolicious]

The fact that it has been said that you can apparently beat Fallout: New Vegas without killing anyone (I read this right?) makes me really excited.

Apparently you can use boxing gloves which are non-lethal and so it's possible in theory to knock out everyone instead of killing them.  Probably not a good idea though.

For Fallout 3, the combat is important in the same way it's important in Resident Evil games.  It may be slow and janky compared to most other shooters but it works at making you conserve ammo and carry the right equipment.  Like I always carried 4-5  primary guns on me and even though they're not necessarily the strongest guns in the game, but if .32 ammo is common and .44 isn't, then you go with Ol' Faithful instead of Lincoln's Repeater.  Hell, one of my primary guns was always a dart gun just so that I could cripple enemies that are too big like behemoths.

You're missing out on a lot of the good game design if you're modding your way around the whole resource planning stuff.

[Himu]

No, we're suckers. 

[Great Rumbler]

Why are you bothering with planets that have poor scanner results? No wonder you got so frustrated with it. 

[Himu]

You're saying you liked it?

[Great Rumbler]

No, I'm saying that scanning planets for minerals is more fun than grinding for levels in some embarassing animu JRPG.

[Positive Touch]

i'm not really sure why you think a mini-game and a game's entire combat system are comparable at all

[tiesto]

No, I'm saying that scanning planets for minerals is more fun than grinding for levels in some embarassing animu JRPG.

You need to scan planets for minerals if you want all your charas to survive the Suicide Mission... most japaneesu RPGs don't require grinding... unless you suck at the genre

[Positive Touch]

you only need to grind a handful of rich-level planets to get more resources than you ever need.  and even then it's still a totally OPTIONAL mini-game.  not comparable to fo3's combat system beyond OMG BOTH R BORING

[Himu]

Never compared Fallout 3's combat to Mass Effect 2's mining.