BART shooting verdict.

[Ichirou]

rodi is a hardcore motherfucker.

[rodi]

You're all assuming that the cop meant to shot the guy in the back, instead he was a douche and grabbed the gun, and not the taser. This situation is a prime example of everything that CAN go wrong, GOING wrong. And it all started out with one douche acting like a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, and wiggling around on the ground like some sort of worm instead of just taking the cuff's. I'm not taking either side on this, both the cop and the other guy are both idiots.

All of those excuses are irrelevant, because ultimately a police officer is responsible for the rounds that leave his pistol.  All of those things "going wrong" are irrelevant, because they do not mitigate the fact that the officer had NO EXCUSE for discharging his pistol.

I actually agree that he probably didn't "intend" to shoot the guy.  And so, apparently, did the jury.

But he's still guilty of an offence, he still deserves to go to jail, and Grant still did not deserve to die.

I agree, he didn't deserve to die. But I'm not sorry he is. All the things "going wrong" ultimately lead up to the moment he grabbed his pistol instead of his taser, leading to the unintentional discharge of his weapon. In a perfect world, the BART cop would be 100% responsible for the accidental discharge of his weapon. But this isn't a perfect world; Grant was resisting, he was scared, people were screaming, and he made a fatal mistake. It happens.

[Ichirou]

Also, cops use tasers way too casually.  My cousin the state trooper loves talking about taking out the taser on dudes who get too rowdy for his tastes.

[rodi]

You're all just mad, because I said I'm not sorry someone's dead. Wah.

I am mildly incensed because you are dismissing the death of a human being.  I do not take that lightly.

I'll be honest, if Grant were alive, due to his background, his criminal history, I would no doubt use the phrase "fucking shitrat" to describe him.  

Doesn't mean he deserved to be shot in the back.  

You're an MP, was that right, rodi?

Yes, I am an MP. And I've seen better men "shot in the back" than some idiot resisting arrest after starting nothing-fights on BART trains.

[Ichirou]

How many people you killed, rodi?

[Boogie]

Also, cops use tasers way too casually.  My cousin the state trooper loves talking about taking out the taser on dudes who get too rowdy for his tastes.

I actually agree somewhat, as concerns the States.  Though I doubt our views on when it should be used would align. 

Taser use in Canada has tightened up since the Vancouver airport incident in 2007, but it's gone a bit too far.  I don't even want to get taser training, I'd never use the fucking thing in the ridiculous political and media atmosphere up here.  If there's a guy who would normally be tasered, he's getting a baton, or choked out.

[Boogie]

You're all just mad, because I said I'm not sorry someone's dead. Wah.

I am mildly incensed because you are dismissing the death of a human being.  I do not take that lightly.

I'll be honest, if Grant were alive, due to his background, his criminal history, I would no doubt use the phrase "fucking shitrat" to describe him.  

Doesn't mean he deserved to be shot in the back.  

You're an MP, was that right, rodi?

Yes, I am an MP. And I've seen better men "shot in the back" than some idiot resisting arrest after starting nothing-fights on BART trains.

Understood.

Just don't expect a letter of reference from me if you're looking to jump over to a civilian police force.

[Smooth Groove]

Also, cops use tasers way too casually.  My cousin the state trooper loves talking about taking out the taser on dudes who get too rowdy for his tastes.

I actually agree somewhat, as concerns the States.  Though I doubt our views on when it should be used would align.

Taser use in Canada has tightened up since the Vancouver airport incident in 2007, but it's gone a bit too far.  I don't even want to get taser training, I'd never use the fucking thing in the ridiculous political and media atmosphere up here.  If there's a guy who would normally be tasered, he's getting a baton, or choked out.

I bet you only dislike using tasers because it's more fun to apply a choke hold. 

[rodi]

How many people you killed, rodi?

Are you trying to rile me up, honey buns?  

On a side note, tasers are no joke. They're the worst however-many-seconds of your life.

[Boogie]

Also, cops use tasers way too casually.  My cousin the state trooper loves talking about taking out the taser on dudes who get too rowdy for his tastes.

I actually agree somewhat, as concerns the States.  Though I doubt our views on when it should be used would align.

Taser use in Canada has tightened up since the Vancouver airport incident in 2007, but it's gone a bit too far.  I don't even want to get taser training, I'd never use the fucking thing in the ridiculous political and media atmosphere up here.  If there's a guy who would normally be tasered, he's getting a baton, or choked out.

I bet you only dislike using tasers because it's more fun to apply a choke hold. 

Oh, I don't know, I can imagine it would be pretty fun watching some shithead ride the lightning for a full five seconds. 

[rodi]

You're all just mad, because I said I'm not sorry someone's dead. Wah.

I am mildly incensed because you are dismissing the death of a human being.  I do not take that lightly.

I'll be honest, if Grant were alive, due to his background, his criminal history, I would no doubt use the phrase "fucking shitrat" to describe him.  

Doesn't mean he deserved to be shot in the back.  

You're an MP, was that right, rodi?

Yes, I am an MP. And I've seen better men "shot in the back" than some idiot resisting arrest after starting nothing-fights on BART trains.

Understood.

Just don't expect a letter of reference from me if you're looking to jump over to a civilian police force.

After this, I've had enough playing cops-and-robbers. I'm happy just thinking about a normal college student life, with rent and bills and all that jazz.

[Boogie]

How many people you killed, rodi?

Are you trying to rile me up, honey buns?  

On a side note, tasers are no joke. They're the worst however-many-seconds of your life.

Were you pepper sprayed?  

I haven't been tasered, but FUCK the spray, that's nasty shit.  People who have had both done have said they'd rather be tasered, because at least that's just five seconds and it's done.  The spray lingers forever.

[rodi]

Yeah, I've been sprayed too, and I agree - it sucks. No shower afterwards either, or the stuff just travels downstairs. 

[Smooth Groove]

Was getting sprayed part of the training?

[Boogie]

Was getting sprayed part of the training?

Ya.  Gotta know what it feels like and how you can react to it, because if you use it out in the field, there's always going to be cross-contamination, especially if you're working with backup.

[rodi]

They didn't even issue us the stuff  :'(.

[Boogie]

They didn't even issue us the stuff  :'(.

, you had to get sprayed, without even having it yourself to use on the job?  wtf?

[rodi]

I know...what assholes (the army). 

edit: These civilian cops who worked with us though, they made sure they had a full belt of goodies around their waists! So bitter right now. Oh well, after this, I'll have an effing K-9! 

[Ichirou]

How many people you killed, rodi?

Are you trying to rile me up, honey buns?  

On a side note, tasers are no joke. They're the worst however-many-seconds of your life.

Nah, women with guns make me hot. Especially asian women.

[rodi]

How many people you killed, rodi?

Are you trying to rile me up, honey buns?  

On a side note, tasers are no joke. They're the worst however-many-seconds of your life.

Nah, women with guns make me hot. Especially asian women.

You silly goose! 

[Ichirou]

I accidentally pepper sprayed myself when I was like six years old, btw.  I saw the pepper spray in my mom's purse and started messing with it.  What an awful feeling.

[Ichirou]

How many people you killed, rodi?

Are you trying to rile me up, honey buns?  

On a side note, tasers are no joke. They're the worst however-many-seconds of your life.

Nah, women with guns make me hot. Especially asian women.

You silly goose! 

 

[Ichirou]

A few years ago a co-worker at my old job bought a stun gun for his girlfriend and we took turns testing it out.  It wasn't nearly as bad as pepper spray.

[rodi]

Against rapists, I would def go with pepper spray. Against zombies, I'd have to go with cardio and a samurai sword. 

[Smooth Groove]

What about a zombie rapist?

[rodi]

A samurai sword with a pepper spray can duck taped to the hilt, so I can slash then spray in one fluid movement. Then cardio.

[chronovore]

Zombies would be unaffected by the pepper spray. You'd just be left with a spicy zombie.

...Sorry: "Spicy rapist zombie."

[bagofeyes]

mmmmm spicy rapist