Eiji Aonuma says Zelda is same old same old

[SantaC]

From latest nintendo power interview with aonuma about skyward zelda...

The demo area was a field, not part of a dungeon

Oh really Nintendo, you had me there!

Elements of dungeons and fields are being combined

This is the only good news imo.

Some dungeons may feature areas where you have to run from enemies, or you don't have a weapon

Oh no god,  the stealth sucked in WW

There may be more items than the 8 seen in at E3

Maybe more then 8 items? wow this game is so awesome...

Gorons and Zoras are mentioned in passing, but not confirmed for the game

Zzz seriously, we dont need to recycle the same races over and over.

MotionPlus may lead to new puzzle types

More boxes to push! Now with motion+

The sword has a treasure-seeking ability

so it is like hot and cold game

Link does have a method of travel between the two worlds, but that's not being discusses yet

Nooooo I am sick of these kinds of implementations.

[demi]

Old news, we knew this since before E3

[MoxManiac]

I like same old. As long as same old doesn't mean inane sidequests that plague recent Zeldas.

[magus]

oh i'm gonna rage so hard when this game is going to turn the same old shit as ever yet it gathers 10 all over the place

[Third]

The Zelda games have been the same since the NES games. The perspective is the only thing that has changed.

I still love the franchise, though.

[Himu]

Every franchise is the same thing since it started with new features mounted on top. Such complaints are stupid unless we're talking about Final Fantasy which changes it up every fucking game.

Zelda games come out every 3-5 years. Who gives a fuck if it's the same shit. And each Zelda game has differentiated themselves from the next one to the point that saying they're all the same is completely mindless.

In any case, this interview was pointless because Aonuma is not revealing ANYthing new in it.

Wait till the next trailer, which is hopefully a story trailer.

[Third]

And each Zelda game has differentiated themselves from the next one to the point that saying they're all the same is completely mindless.

Not really. Zelda TP is basically Zelda OOT 1.5
And TWW is also the usual shit. Except the tedious water world.

Nintendo needs to make more Zelda games like Majora's Mask.  Now that was completely different.

[magus]

yea himu it's not like every zelda has a boomerang,a hookshot,a bow,bombs,a forest temple,a fire temple and a water temple amirite?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

this one might have puzzle where you have to lit torchs

[close]

[Himu]

Wind Waker's sailing made it feel different, I thought. Now you can make the case for TP, but TP is really the only thing that's feels derivative and canned and yet it still has some of the best dungeons in the series, so that point ends up being moot.

Majora's Mask was completely different, yes. But that doesn't mean that the other Zelda's are the same thing either. Wind Waker places an emphasis on sidequests and exploration more so than dungeons. TP is all about dungeons. Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past have similar to stories, but their gameplay and how they fuse these story elements into the gameplay are completely different. Link's Awakening has the entire map as one big puzzle to solve. The original game is one big dungeon and it doesn't tell shit on where to go or what to do. Zelda 2 is a fucking side-scroller.

Zelda games share similarities, but not one Zelda plays the same as the next.

[Himu]

yea himu it's not like every zelda has a boomerang,a hookshot,a bow,bombs,a forest temple,a fire temple and a water temple amirite?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

this one might have puzzle where you have to lit torchs

[close]

Every rpg ever has an attack command. I guess that means they all play the same as well. 

[magus]

umm yes himu,most rpg play the same but we accept that because they bother with other stuff like characters,the world around,the plot,the dungeons,the loot,the various subsytem

zelda does none of this,they slap the same shit over and they are done with it

[Third]

Oh, totally forgot about Zelda 2. I loved that game.

Nintendo should just try something else with Zelda. And motion controls won't change much, me thinks. From what I've seen, SS looks like the previous Zelda games.
I just got tired of the "enter dungeoun, find key and kill boss"- concept since TP. That's why I couldn't finish it.  Stopped at the Sky Temple.
And Zelda games never have a good story. So once you get tired of the gameplay, there's nothing else to go back to.

[Himu]

umm yes himu,most rpg play the same but we accept that because they bother with other stuff like characters,the world around,the plot,the dungeons,the loot,the various subsytem

zelda does none of this,they slap the same shit over and they are done with it

hahahahaha

[SantaC]

Wind Waker's sailing made it feel different, I thought. Now you can make the case for TP, but TP is really the only thing that's feels derivative and canned and yet it still has some of the best dungeons in the series, so that point ends up being moot.

Majora's Mask was completely different, yes. But that doesn't mean that the other Zelda's are the same thing either. Wind Waker places an emphasis on sidequests and exploration more so than dungeons. TP is all about dungeons. Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past have similar to stories, but their gameplay and how they fuse these story elements into the gameplay are completely different. Link's Awakening has the entire map as one big puzzle to solve. The original game is one big dungeon and it doesn't tell shit on where to go or what to do. Zelda 2 is a fucking side-scroller.

Zelda games share similarities, but not one Zelda plays the same as the next.

Yes zelda 2 and Majoras mask are like the only zeldas who TRY to do something totally new in the series and I give props to that. Why did Miyamoto run his mouth and say that TP will be the last Zelda in its form when Skyward sword does not seem to do anything groundbreaking or even close to it! Nintendo was once the masters in creativity with their franchises (remember when miyamoto disapproved Super Mario Bros 2 because it looked too similar to SMB or when Yoshis island got an overhaul so it wouldnt play as SMW?) seems like they're stuck in a loop, atleast with Zelda.

[TakingBackSunday]

oh shut up santac, all you do is bitch bitch bitch

[Purple Filth]

    

Eiji Aonuma says Zelda is same old same old

People were expecting something different from the big N?

[Himu]

Wind Waker's sailing made it feel different, I thought. Now you can make the case for TP, but TP is really the only thing that's feels derivative and canned and yet it still has some of the best dungeons in the series, so that point ends up being moot.

Majora's Mask was completely different, yes. But that doesn't mean that the other Zelda's are the same thing either. Wind Waker places an emphasis on sidequests and exploration more so than dungeons. TP is all about dungeons. Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past have similar to stories, but their gameplay and how they fuse these story elements into the gameplay are completely different. Link's Awakening has the entire map as one big puzzle to solve. The original game is one big dungeon and it doesn't tell shit on where to go or what to do. Zelda 2 is a fucking side-scroller.

Zelda games share similarities, but not one Zelda plays the same as the next.

Yes zelda 2 and Majoras mask are like the only zeldas who TRY to do something totally new in the series and I give props to that. Why did Miyamoto run his mouth and say that TP will be the last Zelda in its form when Skyward sword does not seem to do anything groundbreaking or even close to it! Nintendo was once the masters in creativity with their franchises (remember when miyamoto disapproved Super Mario Bros 2 because it looked too similar to SMB or when Yoshis island got an overhaul so it wouldnt play as SMW?) seems like they're stuck in a loop, atleast with Zelda.

uhhh

they haven't shown anything about zelda ss lol except a demo area

I mean, you could say do the same thing with majora's mask. Show off a dungeon at E3 and it's just classic zelda gameplay. This doesn't go into the story or the flow or structure or sidequests.

So basically you have no argument. When we have SS in our hands and it's the same thing as Twilight Princess, I'll eat crow.

[Beezy]

So basically you have no argument.

Bingo. This thread is pointless.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I always wonder why people hate on zelda games for being zelda games.  It's like bitching that mario games are about jumping in bright colorful levels. Or that mario games have recurring elements like 1-ups or flight powerups or whatever. All franchises have their staples.  The BIG problem I have with zelda games these days is an overemphasis on story, which I think ruins alot of what made the early zeldas  so engrossing.   Link's awakening had a cool story but it was never more exposition then the owl giving you a ominous observation here and there.

[SantaC]

Wind Waker's sailing made it feel different, I thought. Now you can make the case for TP, but TP is really the only thing that's feels derivative and canned and yet it still has some of the best dungeons in the series, so that point ends up being moot.

Majora's Mask was completely different, yes. But that doesn't mean that the other Zelda's are the same thing either. Wind Waker places an emphasis on sidequests and exploration more so than dungeons. TP is all about dungeons. Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past have similar to stories, but their gameplay and how they fuse these story elements into the gameplay are completely different. Link's Awakening has the entire map as one big puzzle to solve. The original game is one big dungeon and it doesn't tell shit on where to go or what to do. Zelda 2 is a fucking side-scroller.

Zelda games share similarities, but not one Zelda plays the same as the next.

Yes zelda 2 and Majoras mask are like the only zeldas who TRY to do something totally new in the series and I give props to that. Why did Miyamoto run his mouth and say that TP will be the last Zelda in its form when Skyward sword does not seem to do anything groundbreaking or even close to it! Nintendo was once the masters in creativity with their franchises (remember when miyamoto disapproved Super Mario Bros 2 because it looked too similar to SMB or when Yoshis island got an overhaul so it wouldnt play as SMW?) seems like they're stuck in a loop, atleast with Zelda.

uhhh

they haven't shown anything about zelda ss lol except a demo area

I mean, you could say do the same thing with majora's mask. Show off a dungeon at E3 and it's just classic zelda gameplay. This doesn't go into the story or the flow or structure or sidequests.

So basically you have no argument. When we have SS in our hands and it's the same thing as Twilight Princess, I'll eat crow.

jesus man, they showed off the demo of the game with the actual game-mechanics. Did WW or TP play differently from their demos? Nope.

I always wonder why people hate on zelda games for being zelda games.

sooner or later people will get tired off the same type of combat, weapons and dungeon item kills boss etc. Atleast in the Final Fantasy series, each game has a different type of battle system. Zelda is the exact combat we seen for ages.

[Himu]

Dude, the demo was a general area to show off the controls. There were no puzzles or puzzle design at all. It was a random field with boss fights included to show off how combat and some new items worked.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Hey there was that one door you had to make dizzy so it would open!
Thats like, the same concept as those eye monsters in super mario 64, but it was puzzle!

[Himu]

From the videos I've seen on the show floor, the controls looked pretty good.

[Himu]

Hey there was that one door you had to make dizzy so it would open!
Thats like, the same concept as those eye monsters in super mario 64, but it was puzzle!

I hope the game doesn't rely on bullshit gimmicks like that for puzzle solving.

That's something that's worth worrying about.

[Himu]

They were in a dark room with thousands of cell phones and cameras. Of course it didn't. But if you watched the videos from the show floor you'd realize it was a fuck up and a big one.

[magus]

I always wonder why people hate on zelda games for being zelda games.  It's like bitching that mario games are about jumping in bright colorful levels. Or that mario games have recurring elements like 1-ups or flight powerups or whatever. All franchises have their staples.  The BIG problem I have with zelda games these days is an overemphasis on story, which I think ruins alot of what made the early zeldas  so engrossing.   Link's awakening had a cool story but it was never more exposition then the owl giving you a ominous observation here and there.

i always tought mario was able to being different enough between each game,well at least until nintendo rolled up new super mario bros wii and mario galaxy 2

and yes people should bitch about these kind of thing,if they don't stuff like pokemon happens

also himu,have fun!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HowToPlayAConsoleRPG

[EmCeeGrammar]

Slime is playfully trolling
Himuro is painfully obtuse
Emceegramr is lacking in tact

[EmCeeGrammar]

Hey guys I only have a wii but I like to pretend I'm too cool to like it

Dude, if you don't think I can't smell a poser from.... ACROSS THE INTERNET... you have it wrong!
so anyway stop being a poser
Realise just how awesome NSMBWii is on the merits of its level design and powerups and and and everything thats right in the world!

[Himu]

Haha, gotcha slime! No trolling on me. NO WAY NO HOW

[SantaC]

it is funny that some people expected steampunk zelda before the announcement 

[Himu]

don't think anyone expected steampunk but it'd be cool to have

[magus]

Hey guys I only have a wii but I like to pretend I'm too cool to like it

Dude, if you don't think I can't smell a poser from.... ACROSS THE INTERNET... you have it wrong!
so anyway stop being a poser
Realise just how awesome NSMBWii is on the merits of its level design and powerups and and and everything thats right in the world!

also
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

this game could never happen today

[Himu]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HowToPlayAConsoleRPG

I'm not reading that shit. But anyone who says all rpgs play the same is just as stupid as someone who says all zelda's play the same

[Bebpo]

who cares what zelda is going to be or not be

...we're all going to play it and bitch about it anyways 

[Himu]

i'm going to play and love it

[demi]

you are a special snowflake, himuro.

[Himu]

can i get a kiss on your beautiful lips and melt on your tongue?

[magus]

who cares what zelda is going to be or not be

...we're all going to play it and bitch about it anyways 

but why wait? i'm already bitching about it now

[Diunx]

who cares what zelda is going to be or not be

...we're all going to play it and bitch about it anyways 

I probably won't.

[Third]

Not going to bitch about it, or not going to play it? 

[Diunx]

Not going to play it, but believe you me I'm going to bitch like a motherfucker.

Zelda

[SantaC]

i'm going to play and love it

just like with spirit tracks? 

[Trent Dole]

Zelda game to be Zelda game, fans bitch.

[Himu]

i'm going to play and love it

just like with spirit tracks? 

handheld zelda is never better than console zelda

[SantaC]

i'm going to play and love it

just like with spirit tracks? 

handheld zelda is never better than console zelda

I consider Links Awakening to be better than TP

[demi]

i'm going to play and love it

just like with spirit tracks? 

handheld zelda is never better than console zelda

Oracles disagrees... better than WW, TP. That is 2 for 2.

[Himu]

for the most part i'd take console zelda over handheld zelda any day

spirit tracks sucks

[TakingBackSunday]

Oracle Games > Wind Waker

that's about it though

[Oblivion]

Meh, there's no Zelda that deviates that drastically from the formula, aside from Zelda 2 (if you even want to count that as a Zelda).

I really would like to know what people have in mind for a significantly 'different' Zelda. I'd argue even something like MM isn't that unique. MM's prime disguishing feature is that it doesn't have Ganon/Zelda, but the gameplay is what you see in every 3D Zelda. The Oracle games are near carbon copies of Link's Awakening.

Dumb thread.

[magus]

Meh, there's no Zelda that deviates that drastically from the formula, aside from Zelda 2 (if you even want to count that as a Zelda).

I really would like to know what people have in mind for a significantly 'different' Zelda. I'd argue even something like MM isn't that unique. MM's prime disguishing feature is that it doesn't have Ganon/Zelda, but the gameplay is what you see in every 3D Zelda. The Oracle games are near carbon copies of Link's Awakening.

Dumb thread.

different dungeons with different treasure,twilight princess had that frozen castle where you found that giant iron ball and it was really cool! i want an entire game like that instead of suffering for the XXX time the forest dungeon/fire dungeon/water dungeon trifecta nor do i want to see any hookshot,boomerang or any other item which has been done to the death

[TakingBackSunday]

if you're at that point, I'd just say you're no longer a fan of Zelda games and find a different series tbh

[magus]

i was never a fan brandnew,i'm just saying what would make me like the game more
the reason i'm here is that it just boogles my mind about what makes zelda so popular... the puzzles? too dumb! the combat? nah! the music? it barely has any other than the main theme (which i always found grating on my ears)
i really can't find any explanation other than "miyamoto is my waifu "

[TakingBackSunday]

I just happen to enjoy how they play compared to other similar franchises–it's one of the few Nintendo staples that I can honestly say hasn't once been successfully emulated on any other platform.  I don't know man, I'm tired and don't feel like describing why.  I love the games, whatever

[SantaC]

for the most part i'd take console zelda over handheld zelda any day

spirit tracks sucks

didnt you just say that you play and love every zelda game? Spirits Tracks is also zelda. Contradiction much.

[Beezy]

for the most part i'd take console zelda over handheld zelda any day

spirit tracks sucks

didnt you just say that you play and love every zelda game? Spirits Tracks is also zelda. Contradiction much.

It would be better if we just pretended that the DS Zeldas didn't exist, just like the shitty CD-I games.

[SantaC]

for the most part i'd take console zelda over handheld zelda any day

spirit tracks sucks

didnt you just say that you play and love every zelda game? Spirits Tracks is also zelda. Contradiction much.

It would be better if we just pretended that the DS Zeldas didn't exist, just like the shitty CD-I games.

finally we agree on something.

[Positive Touch]

Meh, there's no Zelda that deviates that drastically from the formula, aside from Zelda 2 (if you even want to count that as a Zelda).

I really would like to know what people have in mind for a significantly 'different' Zelda. I'd argue even something like MM isn't that unique. MM's prime disguishing feature is that it doesn't have Ganon/Zelda, but the gameplay is what you see in every 3D Zelda. The Oracle games are near carbon copies of Link's Awakening.

Dumb thread.

the hell are you talking about?  MM is different because a large part of the game revolves around the townspeople/journal, and the element of time.

for zelda to be interesting to me again, i want them to move away from the shit they've been recycling for over a decade. there is no reason to use the same items over and over again. it's especially pathetic when the majority of your items are from previous games.  also i don't think it'd hurt to try changing up the overworld.  stop having large empty areas that require some mode of transportation to traverse, and maybe make a smaller but denser overworld.  and ffs get rid of the shitty item menu pause screen that's been bogging down the series since forever.  it wouldn't hurt to add some challenge either but this IS nintendo so there's no fucking way that's gonna happen.

[Oblivion]

Meh, there's no Zelda that deviates that drastically from the formula, aside from Zelda 2 (if you even want to count that as a Zelda).

I really would like to know what people have in mind for a significantly 'different' Zelda. I'd argue even something like MM isn't that unique. MM's prime disguishing feature is that it doesn't have Ganon/Zelda, but the gameplay is what you see in every 3D Zelda. The Oracle games are near carbon copies of Link's Awakening.

Dumb thread.

the hell are you talking about?  MM is different because a large part of the game revolves around the townspeople/journal, and the element of time.

That's nice, but having a focus on side quests/mini games, staples of Zelda to begin with, doesn't make it that radically different.

[Himu]

Uh, Zelda games don't have focus on sidequests. In Majora's Mask sidequests IS the game content. Not so much in other Zelda's.

[Oblivion]

I didn't say they focus on side quests. I said MM focuses on side quests, which is fine, but does that make it significantly different than other Zeldas?