PS3 fail0verflow

[Sho Nuff]

Amazing. Does this mean that the PS3 is the ONLY hardware that has had its key compromised? What about Windows-based software players where you could theoretically pluck the key out of a location in RAM?

[pilonv1]

It's funny this has happened over the holidays/

[cool breeze]

So not only is the PS3 that got annihilated, but the blu-ray format as a whole and the PSP is getting even more open? if Sony wasn't just some large corporation I have no vested interest in, I would almost feel bad for it.  Partly because of their gargantuan gaping asshole and partly because they've been screwed by people who use memes like water; and unless I'm misreading things, it seems they only sprung into action when Sony removed other os support.

though, I'm even more glad I got a PSP Go now.  I've run into two games, both ubisoft for some reason, that couldn't work on the current PSP Go solutions.  If they can get it to the same level as other PSPs, that would be great.

[Purple Filth]

now the name fail0verflow is apt.

smh Sony smh.

[pilonv1]

Just read someones post on another forum - could this mean drivers for a 360 controller on a PS3?

[Dickie Dee]

It's real, real bad for Sony and the Bluray consortium.  AACS keys have leaked before, but in prior situations, they just stopped using the keys that leaked on newer titles and forced people with compromised hardware to either buy a new player or upgrade the software.

How did this work? If you bought a newer titles w/ newer keys you'd just be forced to have to sit through an update or you couldn't watch the movie, similar to consoles?

Basically, Bluray, which should have been able to keep ahead of being cracked thanks to updateable firmware

Would the older keys still be usable on the older titles even with the update - I'm just trying to wrap my head around this system.

[Dickie Dee]

It's real, real bad for Sony and the Bluray consortium.  AACS keys have leaked before, but in prior situations, they just stopped using the keys that leaked on newer titles and forced people with compromised hardware to either buy a new player or upgrade the software.

How did this work? If you bought a newer titles w/ newer keys you'd just be forced to have to sit through an update or you couldn't watch the movie, similar to consoles?

Basically, Bluray, which should have been able to keep ahead of being cracked thanks to updateable firmware

Would the older keys still be usable on the older titles even with the update - I'm just trying to wrap my head around this system.

To try to put it simply, each BRD has a key that needs to be recognized by the player in order to run it.  Each player has a list of valid keys for BRDs and if the disc's key was not in that list, it would not play it.  As keys are compromised, they are revoked and newer keys are issued.

So if your disc is part of a batch that gets compromised, and it's key is revoked, when the firmware is updated it's no longer playable?

[Dickie Dee]

oic

Thank you much for the explanation.

[Rman]

Wow.  What a disaster for Sony.

[EmCeeGrammar]

To be fair, Sony kept that shit airtight for years and years.  Besides, is there really anything you can do to stop the pirates in the long run? 

[Shaka Khan]

Besides, is there really anything you can do to stop the pirates in the long run? 

Yes, not put all your eggs in one basket like Sony did.

[Shaka Khan]

And if I'm understanding this correctly: Using randomized private keys is another.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Eh, I'm fairly certain peeps were hard at work trying to crack this thing for a long time.  Claiming linux removal or whatnot made them do it is just a shitty cover for people wanting free stuff.  I guess sony could start doing what microsoft does and find ways to detect hacked consoles and ban those from psn.

[Sho Nuff]

I would say this is an even more elite hack then when those guys in NYC hacked the Gibson

[Shaka Khan]

Claiming linux removal or whatnot made them do it is just a shitty cover for people wanting free stuff.

Couldn't agree more. See: Homebrews!

Even though we usually end getting quality customizations out of these hacks, nobody benefits from them as much as pirates, and that's a fact.

[Vizzys]

homebrew is the best excuse to open systems up for piracy ever

thought you guys knew this by now

[Shaka Khan]

Of course we did, it's just people elsewhere started using "removing Linux" as their new excuse. Hacking attempts by the same parties responsible for the latest developments started well before Linux removed or Slim releasing.

[Dickie Dee]

Did they publicly declare they were starting work once linux was removed?

[Sho Nuff]

I don't mess with Linux people for that very reason

[Shaka Khan]

Geohot publicly declared war, but he was going to do it anyway.  The failoverflow people say they did it because of the Linux removal.  It may be an excuse, but you have to admit, the timing is rather an interesting coincidence if it had nothing to do with OtherOS getting stripped.  Three years of absolutely nothing, then as soon as Linux is yanked, the system is partially cracked within weeks, older firmware totally cracked within months, and the entire doors of the system blown off within a year.

I'm not sure about the failoverflow team, but I'm 100% sure that Hotz work started way before news about OtherOS removal broke. I followed his twitter ever since it was created, when people only knew him as the iOS jailbreaking dude.

[demi]

they did it cause they knew i was buying one. laying down the red carpet.

[chronovore]

I don't mess with Linux people for that very reason

I thought it was because you hate free stuff.

[maxy]

Things are moving fast,lol
I think that Geohot was poking around in linux before the linux fiasco but hackers are weird,he was probably minding his own business,poking around,dumping stuff...then Sony decided to mess with linux,"no more linux"...hackers:"we'll see about that "
Once that train starts rolling,there is no stopping

I like how some sfags are overreacting,omg PS3 is doomed,PS4=black box that self-destructs if you touch it
 

[originalz]

Eh, I'd buy a PS3 if it can be as open as the Xbox was.

Can't wait for all dem emulators to come out so I can play oldass games on yet another system!

[maxy]

DF has a summary,nothing new though

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-security-in-tatters

PlayStation 3's internal security scheme is a shambles, with all of its major anti-piracy features failing abysmally. The system is so vulnerable that hackers now have the exact same privileges as Sony in deciding what code can run on the console.

[Don Flamenco]

I'm on 3.55, hopefully they bust that open soon.  It'd be nice to just download isos, transfer them to the PS3 HDD and play immediately without having to fuck with anything.

The PSP is busted open too, eh? 

[T-Short]

Flamenco, 3.55 appldr keys have been posted, and 3.50 stuff has already been decrypted and run on 3.4x

[demi]

3.41 here (updated from 3.40 for CV)

Don't want to go any higher than that ATM.

Why, it wont matter now that the PS3 is blown open wider than your wife's vagina. Update away.

[maxy]

Yeah GT5(ntsc version) works on 3.41 now

[Don Flamenco]

Flamenco, 3.55 appldr keys have been posted, and 3.50 stuff has already been decrypted and run on 3.4x

does this mean I can bust open my PS3 today?  I could totally use a distracting project like this for the next week...

just answer that and I'll go do the rest of the research on my own

[magus]

i don't think so... from what i understand there are the keys but no custom firmware or homebrew app that use it....

[T-Short]

You're going to have to give it some more time Flamenco, there is still no modless loader app. The decrypted stuff is playing on jigged PS3:s so far.

[Smooth Groove]

PS3 fail0verflow is gonna cause a monumental shift of this forum from Team Xbox to Team SDF. 

[Vizzys]

on twitter those fail0verflow guys seem mad at geohot

its pretty funny

[Shaka Khan]

He's stealing the limelight, that's what he always do: Swoop in and screw everyone else for the sake of attention and fame. See: the limera1n vs. greenp0ison debacle.

[Don Flamenco]

You're going to have to give it some more time Flamenco, there is still no modless loader app. The decrypted stuff is playing on jigged PS3:s so far.

I see.   Thanks for the reply!  Hopefully this shit will happen soon for the PSP and PS3, since those are the only two systems I own right now.

[Smooth Groove]

You're going to have to give it some more time Flamenco, there is still no modless loader app. The decrypted stuff is playing on jigged PS3:s so far.

I see.   Thanks for the reply!  Hopefully this shit will happen soon for the PSP and PS3, since those are the only two systems I own right now.

That explains the drastic drop in the quality of your posts. 

[Dickie Dee]

Can people potentially write mods for PS3 games now? Bethesda mods would be nice, maybe roster updates for sports games?

[maxy]

PS3 fail0verflow is gonna cause a monumental shift of this forum from Team Xbox to Team SDF. 

We are just going undercover
enemy is naked now,lots of juicy secrets

[magus]

PS3 fail0verflow is gonna cause a monumental shift of this forum from Team Xbox to Team SDF. 

sorry already bought a 360

[Don Flamenco]

You're going to have to give it some more time Flamenco, there is still no modless loader app. The decrypted stuff is playing on jigged PS3:s so far.

I see.   Thanks for the reply!  Hopefully this shit will happen soon for the PSP and PS3, since those are the only two systems I own right now.

That explains the drastic drop in the quality of your posts. 

and my intense self-loathing! 

[Shaka Khan]

Roster updates in sport games is a very likely scenario, just like it was was last gen. Practically every Winning Eleven release was rereleased at least 5 times by famous hackers/bootleggers where I live, and their popularity eclipsed the retail releases.

[Don Flamenco]

the gaf thread on this is fail overflow. doesn't anyone want unlimited free games?  The online cheating will suck, granted. 

but I don't play games online so whateva 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Not since the Saturn has a major console manufacturer fucked up so badly as Sony with the PS3.

[Dickie Dee]

Kinda seems to me the PS3 as permanent BluRay security goatze seems to me to be a bigger deal than whatever implications it has for the PS3 as gaming console.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Kinda seems to me the PS3 as permanent BluRay security goatze seems to me to be a bigger deal than whatever implications it has for the PS3 as gaming console.

This is just one of the numerous fuckups Sony caused with the PS3.

[Smooth Groove]

Did Sony screw up really that bad?  The PS3's security has lasted longer than most systems. 

[magus]

a twitter of these hacker guys says that the only reason it lasted so long it's because nobody ever bothered looking.....

..... tough i find that kind of fishy,if it was so basic then any idiot could have done it and we sure didn't need any sort of super hackers

[Don Flamenco]

if it was so basic then any idiot could have done it and we sure didn't need any sort of super hackers

It's not like there was just a secret switch under "Enable SACD Playback" or whatever weird options Sony has in its menus.  I doubt these guys are super hackers, rather than programmers who happened to have the time and will to focus on the PS3.

Average joe wouldn't really know where to begin even penetrating the XMB. 

[Shaka Khan]

I doubt these guys are super hackers, rather than programmers who happened to have the time and will to focus on the PS3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

[Sho Nuff]

Holy shit Geohot is only 21 years old

I think by 21 I might have learned how to solder...badly

[Purple Filth]

The jigkey is where all the stuff really started imo then sony officially handed  over everything with that encryption blunder

[Don Flamenco]

I doubt these guys are super hackers, rather than programmers who happened to have the time and will to focus on the PS3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

"He has one sister, Julia Hotz, alias 'Fifty'"

i'm a hit dat 

[AdmiralViscen]

I did not click this topic because I thought it was some shit sequel to fl0w and fl0wer. I clicked it today though, and I lol'd

[Rman]

Lyte, now us PSPGo owners could rejoice at the eventual hacking of the Go to play non PSN titles, which are numerous.

[Don Flamenco]

Lyte, now us PSPGo owners could rejoice at the eventual hacking of the Go to play non PSN titles, which are numerous.

Not sure if this is new for the Go, but:
http://pspslimhacks.com/6-31-and-6-35-hen-released-for-minna-no-sukkiri-demo-exploit/

Got prometheus to work on my 6.35 3000. 

Gamestop is doing a 50% hardware bonus for systems, so the 3000 nets $105.  PSPGo is $99, so I might make that trade tomorrow.  The Go looks like it'll be more uncomfortable to play on its own, but with PS3 controller support, I might just leave the thing hooked up to my TV and play it like that. 

[Rman]

Yep, that's the current exploit.

[T-Short]

a twitter of these hacker guys says that the only reason it lasted so long it's because nobody ever bothered looking.....

..... tough i find that kind of fishy,if it was so basic then any idiot could have done it and we sure didn't need any sort of super hackers

"Basic"? Hehe. Did you watch the CCC presentation? There is very little that is "basic" about this hack, it involved a lot of crazy HW stuff. And these guys aren't just "regular programmers" either, they are pretty damn clever with electronics as well.

[ManaByte]

Good thing I still have a HDDVD player in a closet somewhere.

[SantaC]

now we finally might see a spike in PS3 sales    sony should thank these guys.