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Jabberwocky

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Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« on: September 18, 2010, 09:14:31 PM »
One thing to keep in mind is this is just an observation from a not-so-big anime fan - I really don't watch anime and am basing this mostly on the countless clips I've seen of older and newer anime, so many of you are likely much more educated than I am on this subject.

I've seen clips of older anime in which you'd expect gratuitous violence, like Violence Jack or GenoCyber (which notably is much more graphic than what you'd even find in recent "violent" anime shows). I guess Fist of the North Star could fit in that category too. But even more mainstream stuff like oldskool Macross has people getting crushed and eyeballs exploding. Space Runaway Ideon's finale has (SPOILERS but c'mon it's a 30 year old anime) everyone, even kids, getting blown to pieces. Princess Mononoke has people getting beheaded and dismembered and the like. Evangelion also saw kids getting brutally injured or murdered. Berserk is an obvious one.

By "older" I generally mean anime from the 70's-90's. Everything starting in the 00's, as far as I can tell, started to get much more tame. There's the occasional violence gore galore anime like Elfen Lied, but that was the defining characteristic of that series. You don't really find it so casually as you did 10-20 odd years ago, from what I can see (again, coming from someone who doesn't really watch a lot of anime).

Out of pure curiosity, could someone explain to me what shifted this tone in violence (if anything)?
« Last Edit: September 18, 2010, 09:16:41 PM by Jabberwocky »
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2010, 09:17:00 PM »
moe, it ruined EVERYTHING jappa
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2010, 09:24:10 PM »
not if they want it, onii-san
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2010, 09:32:15 PM »
because it no longer sells
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2010, 09:37:02 PM »
People that pine away from the good old days of "Genocyber" and "MD Geist" are morons. Those were TERRIBLE.

But if you must have your modern-day violence, go watch Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2010, 09:39:29 PM »
rin sucks, too many chick characters

let's get DUDES back in anime
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2010, 09:40:55 PM »
rin sucks, too many chick characters

let's get DUDES back in anime

Well, there's always Shigurui: Death Frenzy. It's about two bad samurai dudes killing guys.

Or Hellsing OVA, I guess.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2010, 09:42:02 PM »
rin sucks, too many chick characters

let's get DUDES back in anime

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2010, 09:47:37 PM »
yeah, what's the problem here

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2010, 09:50:46 PM »
People that pine away from the good old days of "Genocyber" and "MD Geist" are morons. Those were TERRIBLE.

But if you must have your modern-day violence, go watch Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne.

I'm personally not a big fan of ultraviolence. Seeing kids get dismembered is a bit much for me.

But I'm also not huge on the recent trend of "moeblobs". Admittedly, I tried to get into Haruhi Suzumiya. I just couldn't do it.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2010, 09:53:15 PM »
Because Japan was fairly free from censorship and worldwide attention of its media until the 90s (late 90s, really).  Then they became aware that their stuff was "not appropriate" and had to start toning it down and replacing it with moe blobs.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2010, 09:53:35 PM »
Wrong?  Nothing is wrong.  I was just making note of his love for muscular boy-bottoms.

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2010, 09:53:41 PM »
People that pine away from the good old days of "Genocyber" and "MD Geist" are morons. Those were TERRIBLE.

But if you must have your modern-day violence, go watch Rin: Daughter of Mnemosyne.

I'm personally not a big fan of ultraviolence. Seeing kids get dismembered is a bit much for me.

But I'm also not huge on the recent trend of "moeblobs". Admittedly, I tried to get into Haruhi Suzumiya. I just couldn't do it.

Read the anime thread here. People are talking about good shows all the time, that way you don't have to waste your time on garbage [which there is plenty of].
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2010, 10:46:38 PM »
Gantz is at best punishingly mediocre, but I'd be lying if I said the exploitation elements and crazy violence didn't keep me watching and at least sporadically entertained.

Hey, how's the new series of The Guyver and Golgo 13?  It would break my heart if Duke Togo was pussified for the new generation.

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2010, 11:04:11 PM »
Princess Mononoke shocked the shit out of me. Starts out like a typical action cartoon then all of a sudden WTF BEHEADED BY A FUCKING DEMON ARROW.

Maybe I should check out this Evangelion you speak of.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2010, 11:32:15 PM »
Dont check it out pd.  Watch cowboy bebop instead.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2010, 11:41:20 PM »
Gantz is at best punishingly mediocre, but I'd be lying if I said the exploitation elements and crazy violence didn't keep me watching and at least sporadically entertained.

Hey, how's the new series of The Guyver and Golgo 13?  It would break my heart if Duke Togo was pussified for the new generation.

The new Golgo 13 is pretty good, as is the new Cobra the Animation.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2010, 01:09:30 AM »
Hyperzone: new golgo 13 owns.

Princess Mononoke shocked the shit out of me. Starts out like a typical action cartoon then all of a sudden WTF BEHEADED BY A FUCKING DEMON ARROW.

Maybe I should check out this Evangelion you speak of.

Fuck Eva.

Watch this.

[youtube=560,345]5OKeAo8La3Y[/youtube]
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2010, 01:15:02 AM »
Dont check it out pd.  Watch cowboy bebop instead.

that too.

[youtube=560,345]BFKUgSCv_Aw[/youtube]
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2010, 02:09:52 AM »
I looooove Eva (especially End of Eva, which I once watched back-to-back five times in one day) though more for the angst than the violence
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2010, 02:12:46 AM »
Still the greatest.

[youtube=560,345]e2sigoxms50[/youtube]
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2010, 02:13:07 AM »
It's pretty good, but not the best.

Sword of the Stranger is pretty good too, although not quiet as much:

[youtube=560,345]q-UN-yAi-gg[/youtube]
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2010, 02:13:16 AM »
Hyperzone: new golgo 13 owns.

Princess Mononoke shocked the shit out of me. Starts out like a typical action cartoon then all of a sudden WTF BEHEADED BY A FUCKING DEMON ARROW.

Maybe I should check out this Evangelion you speak of.

Fuck Eva.

Watch this.

[youtube=560,345]5OKeAo8La3Y[/youtube]

Is this a show or a movie?
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2010, 02:19:08 AM »
It's a four-episode OVA that was released as a single movie in the US.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2010, 02:19:33 AM »
Four thirty minute episode ova (straight to video release).

But there's a directors cut that combines all the episodes into a two hour film and adds/changes some stuff.

Sword of the Stranger is good, but it lacks the emotional touch that is Trust and Betrayal.

It's a four-episode OVA that was released as a single movie in the US.

No. It was released on two video (vhs) and two dvds. It was later released as a feature film.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2010, 02:20:47 AM »
Sword of the Stranger is about getting as many crazy action scenes crammed into its runtime as possible.

Trust and Betrayal is a samurai drama with a few crazy actions scenes peppered through its runtime.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2010, 02:22:50 AM »
I demand more samurai anime. Fuck. That time period in history balls out awesome. Is there a Blade of the Immortal anime?
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« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2010, 02:23:25 AM »
Sword of the Stranger is about getting as many crazy action scenes crammed into its runtime as possible.

Trust and Betrayal is a samurai drama with a few crazy actions scenes peppered through its runtime.

I prefer Trust and Betrayal more because I like the drama.  :D
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« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2010, 02:23:53 AM »
Is there a Blade of the Immortal anime?

Yes
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« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2010, 02:25:19 AM »
I want a Lone Wolf and Cub animu
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« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2010, 02:27:30 AM »
"I prefer Trust and Betrayal more because I like the drama."

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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2010, 02:29:11 AM »
Fuck you. Someone adapt Trust and Betrayal into live action along with Revenge arc. My Kenshin boner is not satiated.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2010, 02:32:49 AM »
The Rurouni Kenshin franchise as a whole has been pretty much dead since the manga ended in 1999.
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« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2010, 02:34:23 AM »
laalalalallalalalala can't read what you're saying lalalalalalalalalala

i will get revenge arc animated someday and i will die happy
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2010, 02:39:32 AM »
sounds cool Himu. I'll try to find a download link
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2010, 05:16:54 AM »
It's probably two factors, the PTA and mainstream Japan's specific distrust of otaku. Which might only be two symptoms of the same factor: public backlash.

There were some freaky incidents over the last twenty years or so involving otaku, and as a disorganized, unaffiliated social group, it was easy to ostracize them without fear of consequences. The PTA identified many forms of anime as being a bad influence on children, so the anime industry has cleaned itself up to sell better. I think.

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2010, 08:09:37 AM »
[youtube=560,345]6AYaFL6SWmk[/youtube]

[youtube=560,345]FqGbE9yLLA4[/youtube]

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2010, 01:11:16 PM »
Himuro with the real talk

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2010, 01:19:19 PM »
this one looks good
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TYVL533I

244mb?
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2010, 01:23:35 PM »
It's probably an mkv.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2010, 01:32:43 PM »
might have to torrent  :'(
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2010, 01:42:26 PM »
[youtube=560,345]02klXnoErzk[/youtube]

blood and gore  :drool

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2010, 01:51:38 PM »
what's wrong with torrents
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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2010, 01:58:09 PM »
The soundtrack man

[youtube=560,345]yamkuCSX8a8[/youtube]

haven't watched this in a year. Time to do my yearly watch. :rock
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2010, 02:00:39 PM »
I need a torrent downloader or whatever to get it right.

torrents take forever and I don't want them dl'ing while my brothers are playing games
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2010, 02:04:18 PM »
Torrents don't take forever at all. I'm dling that very torrent I linked. The torrent is 1gb, and it's going at 720kbs and will be done in less than 30 minutes.

Just get utorrent, install it and dl the torrent.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2010, 02:05:26 PM »
ok i'll do it tonight :fbm

I haven't done any torrenting on my new computer. Did it a few times on my old one and it slowed things down
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2010, 02:10:18 PM »
cool. To watch it you'll likely have to have cccp installed, though.

http://www.cccp-project.net/

Just play in windows media player classic (comes with cccp)and you're good.
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2010, 02:12:32 PM »
http://www.cccp-project.net/beta/

Latest beta is much better.

I also recommend PotPlayer as an alternative if you don't like codec packs:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148745

Himu

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2010, 02:17:47 PM »
I haven't gotten the latest beta. What's so great about it?
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2010, 02:21:05 PM »
http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=CCCP_Beta_Testing_Guide

For me, this is the best part: "2009-12-07: MPC-HC r1400. Fixes delay in loading on Win7."

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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2010, 02:41:58 PM »
ok i'll do it tonight :fbm

I haven't done any torrenting on my new computer. Did it a few times on my old one and it slowed things down
You must have been using something other than utorrent.

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2010, 07:12:08 PM »
Companies figured out they could make way more money selling pedolicious material to sick fucks.

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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2010, 07:46:43 PM »
Is this it? (megavideo stream)
http://www.megavideo.com/?d=7O99123A

should be episode 1 right
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2010, 07:54:02 PM »
Just rent it from Netflix or something. Geez.  :lol
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2010, 07:58:40 PM »
is it the right one, yes or no homo  >:(
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Re: Why is old anime so violent (as compared to newer anime)?
« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2010, 08:52:34 PM »
The Guyver was ridiculously violent.