Final Fantasy XIV *crickets* (2.1!)

[magus]

i'm all for repeating FF13 if it makes himuro cry moar

but anyway i'm not sure what himuro is getting at other than "FINAL FANTASY NOW SUCKS BECAUSE THE INTERNET SAID SO,GOOD THING I PLAY ATLUS GAMES!" brand just don't stop like that,did the last final fantasy sell a million of copy? then the brand is going strong,going by himuro logic you might as well point your finger at metal gear and metal gear is jumping a huuuuuuuuuuge shark going from stealth game about a rugged soldier to action game with an emo cyborg ninja

[Himu]

FF is still selling millions, yes, but these sells keep decreasing and decreasing. However, anyone with logic and sense can look at the media treatment of FF and say that there's a problem. No, there's not a huge problem now, but there is a problem. The fact that the company pulled DAMAGE CONTROL in every single media report since the game's release shows there is a problem. All this means is they need to fix their shit because that 5 million falls to 4 million which falls to 3 million which then falls to 2 million which slowly falls to 1 million. The FF brand being diluted like this is certainly not helping.

FF doesn't suck now at all, I don't even think FF13 sucks.

You also discount the internet and its influence. Do you really think MOST people who are FINAL FANTASY FANS don't have access to the internet?

[magus]

FF is still selling millions, yes, but these sells keep decreasing and decreasing

barring the fact that more or less,since PS3 fucked up,every brand related to sony was bound to do less
do you have any kind of data to backup that?

now i know that vgchartz pull off crap so it isn't the best way to make these kind of argument but for the sake of it let's compare FF13 and FF12 on vgchartz

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=final+fantasy+xii

so basicaly the PS3 version sold 4,29 and the 360 version 1,55 totaling 5,84 (this is without the 360 version getting released in japan which i guess would have booted up the number a little more)
Final Fantasy 12 instead totaled 5,71

but anyway why it matters if the final fantasy brand is strong or not?

let's assume that the final fantasy franchise stops existing,so now... what? instead of FF14 we have GENERIC MMORPG! instead of 4 heroes of light we have "CLASSIC RPG!"

for all we know the next final fantasy might as well be a western fps (it certainly would suit the new square-enix politics) and for me it wouldn't make a lick of difference if it was called final fantasy 15 and sold millions of copies or it was called THE LAST WAR and sold 2

[Himu]

Why does it matter? I'm a Final Fantasy fan who just wants a great game.

Nothing really "matters" in regards to Final Fantasy. They're fucking video games.

That doesn't mean we can't discuss it though.

[magus]

Why does it matter? I'm a Final Fantasy fan who just wants a great game.

oh so they should have renamed TWEWY into FINAL FANTASY:SHIBUYA i understand...

besides exactly how does this relate to brand strenght? there are quite a lot of popular series that sucks and unpopular series that are awesome so....

[TripleA]

When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.

[ManaByte]

Did you ever play FFVII or did you just watch SCEA's CG filled ads on Youtube?

[Great Rumbler]

Everyone's getting hung up on the word "epic", I think.

FF7 was one of the first heavily cinematic games that a lot of people played. Loads of prerendered backgrounds of massive locales, lots of CG cutscenes, massive 3D bosses, and all that. For those who came over directly from the SNES and Genesis, there really wasn't anything quite like it.

[Himu]

FF7 was not the first epic game, or the first cinematic game, but it was the first cinematic epic game that was advertised towards a mass audience.

[Positive Touch]

once again the internet proves that there is absolutely nothing worse than a final fantasy discussion

good job

[Purple Filth]

time to add some fuel?

IGN - 5.5 (out of 10)

http://pc.ign.com/articles/112/1123824p3.html

Gamespy 2 out of 5

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/square-enix-next-gen-mmorpg/1127142p1.html

[Sho Nuff]

Ouch

[demi]

Is this out in Japan? Is it getting the same backlash?

[Akala]

apparently. I'm still tooling around (and will probably still play for a bit), but would agree with many points of the various reviews. It's really a 5/10 game at the moment. YMMV.

[TripleA]

Did you ever play FFVII or did you just watch SCEA's CG filled ads on Youtube?

I did, even though I personally think OoT is a zillion times 'epic-errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'.

Everyone's getting hung up on the word "epic", I think.

FF7 was one of the first heavily cinematic games that a lot of people played. Loads of prerendered backgrounds of massive locales, lots of CG cutscenes, massive 3D bosses, and all that. For those who came over directly from the SNES and Genesis, there really wasn't anything quite like it.

Good point.

[Raban]

Did you ever play FFVII or did you just watch SCEA's CG filled ads on Youtube?

I did, even though I personally think OoT is a zillion times 'epic-errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'.

...

[ManaByte]

That GAF thread is getting pathetic. One guy accused people who don't like FFXIV of being racist.

[GilloD]

When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.

At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

[magus]

can we all agree that FF8 sucks?

[Positive Touch]

no go to hell

[magus]

[Howard Alan Treesong]

can we all agree that FF8 sucks?

sure, but only if we make it FF9

[Mupepe]

FF8 is the best FF!

I'll buy this in a year after they've had a chance to patch it, I guess.  No AH, mail system and the terrible social implementation doesn't do it for me.  Those aspects will be fixed in a year.  I like grinding so I don't care about interesting quests.  FF XI was also terrible at launch and it got better so hopefully this can do the same.  Fucking SE is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  They should have released FF XI Numero Dos.  Just upgrade the graphics and throw in new quests.  FF fanboys loved XI for the most part.  Fuck.

[ManaByte]

FFXI was never this bad.

[Himu]

ff8

[magus]

can we all agree that FF8 sucks?

sure, but only if we make it FF9

but i like 9

can we settle for a final fantasy i don't like? say.... 10-2?

[Himu]

FF10-2 owns

[Positive Touch]

FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

[demi]

All the people who diminish the Final Fantasy series want the worst games to come back COINCIDENCE

or... irony

[magus]

FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

nah that would be too easy

[Himu]

FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

ff13

[magus]

haven't played it
besides himuro like every final fantasy i don't like which must means that FF13 is a masterpiece

[TakingBackSunday]

FF10-2 owns

fuckin truth

just say ff2 and we can all (except bebpo wtf) agree

ff13

ban him, demi

[Himu]

haven't played it
besides himuro like every final fantasy i don't like which must means that FF13 is a masterpiece

Not really. I like every FF, even FF13 to some degree. I like 9 a lot. 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 12 are the best ones. If you want to include spin offs, include Tactics and 10-2.

[ManaByte]

Square's MMO world building secret:

CTRL+C, CTRL+V

[demi]

Looks like FF12's layout. Horrible game.

[Raban]

What am I looking at here?

[Himu]

different areas have the same terrain, like, literally.

[Raban]

Those are all different areas?

[TripleA]

When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.

At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

Now put everything about FF6 next to FF7, throw away the 'classic' take of the word 'epic', and use the modern take of the word 'epic'. The conclusion is obvious.

Furthermore, if your argument against FF7 is "FUCKING SHIT HAD BAD CHARACTER DESIGN!!!!!!!", then frankly, you are completely clueless.

[Himu]

awwwwwwww stfu

[magus]

ok ok i think i got it

can we all agree that triplea sucks?

[TripleA]

Agreed.

[SantaC]

I wonder what happened to SE. First they whine about the difficulty of building HD towns, then they go ahead and using lazy ass copy paste jobs in a game they should spend a lot of resources on. Hell, even an indie studio with no money will surpass them soon. And here I thought Japanese people were workhorses and critical to details.

[Diunx]

Looks like FF12's layout. Horrible game.

Best game in the series since 6, I finished it twice

[Oblivion]

Okay, since SOMEBODY was being a nazi about me not bothering to check the first page to see if the same topic was posted, I'll ask again...


What the hell happened? I'm not really a FF fan, but FFXIV has a 40%-50% average. Seriously, did Squeenix outsorce this to Sonic Team or something?

[demi]

Google it and find out, Ob-lame-ion

[OptimoPeach]

When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.

At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

Now put everything about FF6 next to FF7, throw away the 'classic' take of the word 'epic', and use the modern take of the word 'epic'. The conclusion is obvious.

[pilonv1]

For Oblivion Read this

http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/

[Oblivion]

For Oblivion Read this

http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/

Holy shit.

[Raban]

For Oblivion Read this

http://brokentoys.org/2010/09/24/final-fantasy-xiv-triumph-of-the-horsebirds/

[magus]

When was the last time a Final Fantasy game was interesting, compelling, well-written and fun to play? Like 15 years ago. Final Fantasy 6 was the end of it.

I'll never get the FF7 fanboys- What the fuck is that game even about?

FF7 was essentially the first 'epic' console game.

Wrong. FF6 was the first epic console game. When playing this game I had no idea that the production value would be this good for a snes game.

Wrong. FF6 was simply a great game.

You're out of your fucking mind if you actually believe FF6 was a more 'epic' console game than FF7. Everything about FF7 was 'epic'.

At the risk of getting into a NERD WAR, FF6 is way more 'epic', traditionally, than FF7.

FF7 has OMGZOR CGI sequences and a HERO WITH SPIKY HAIR AND A HUGE SWORD and TITS MCGEE THE SEXY LADY and BLACK MAN and A TALKING RENAGADE WOLF and lots of Michael Bay-ish "exciting" shit, "epic" in the parlance of Hollywood.

But FF6 is the classic epic. The story of redemption and heart break, of giving in to our wrong instincts etc etc. It's also longer and features a more drastic story.

Now put everything about FF6 next to FF7, throw away the 'classic' take of the word 'epic', and use the modern take of the word 'epic'. The conclusion is obvious.

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that's the gif i was talking about a few post ago

[Purple Filth]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409467&page=46

wow 

Good thing i dont give a shit about MMO's

[ManaByte]

Square extends the 30 day trial

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/news/detail?newsId=ce357898b8968d9c0b3327ff9a706ba97b218fec

[Great Rumbler]

Square extends the 30 day trial

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/news/detail?newsId=ce357898b8968d9c0b3327ff9a706ba97b218fec

Yeah, that's rarely a good sign.

[Akala]

That's actually good on them. Major fixes incoming.

[Great Rumbler]

[ManaByte]

Game is dead before the first month is up.

[Great Rumbler]

Yeah, let this sink in: they're still not even half way through their FREE TRIAL.

[Mupepe]

I started FF XI again instead of buying this

There's still a surprising amount of people on XI and goddamn!  so many fucking expansions.

FF XI