Is Pete Campbell a rapist?

[Fresh Prince]

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I was pretty surprised people considered this rape. Desperate yes. Rape no.

[Himu]

Yeeeepppppppp

[Fresh Prince]

I dunno to me it seems she knew there had to be some sort of 'payment'. She just thought Pete was too whiny\nice to collect.

[lennedsay]

I thought it said racist, which yes. Rapist? Maybe just a creeper.

[Madrun Badrun]

What's creepy about helping a girl solver her dress problem?

[Fresh Prince]

how come you don't help girls with their programming problems?

[Solo]

According to GAF, yes. According to anyone sane, no. A little coercion, perhaps, but not rape.

[Fresh Prince]

evilbore too

[Madrun Badrun]

how come you don't help girls with their programming problems?

I did the other day actually.  Well she helped me and then I helped her, if you know what I mean

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What I mean is I was stuck on a problem, asked her, she game me the wrong answer but her answer made me think up the right one.
It was coming up with a divide and conquer algorithm that finds out if there exists a superior twin pair in an array which is defined as

For array A[n], j and i are indices to the pair if A = A[j], and for all i <= k < j, A[k] < A.

We did it in O(nlog n time)

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[Diunx]

Is not rape if the guy is in a suit.

[Great Rumbler]

Sleazy, yeah, but not rape. Go read up on rape laws if you think otherwise.

[Mandark]

A little coercion, perhaps, but not rape.

:/

[Great Rumbler]

A little coercion, perhaps, but not rape.

:/

Probably not enough for rape, judging by what I've read of rape/sexual assault laws.

[Mr. Gundam]

According to GAF, yes. According to anyone sane, no. A little coercion, perhaps, but not rape.

Jesus Christ... they're not real people. STOP FUCKING WHITE KNIGHTING TV SHOW CHARACTERS.

[CajoleJuice]

According to GAF, yes. According to anyone sane, no. A little coercion, perhaps, but not rape.

Jesus Christ... they're not real people. STOP FUCKING WHITE KNIGHTING TV SHOW CHARACTERS.

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It's fucking rape.

[Fresh Prince]

Stop crucifying a TV character!

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I think most people know somebody who has done questionable stuff though usually involving alcohol. This is sort of an example that everybody knows about.

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[Joe Molotov]

No dumpster was involved, I don't think it counts as rape.

[Solo]

According to GAF, yes. According to anyone sane, no. A little coercion, perhaps, but not rape.

Jesus Christ... they're not real people. STOP FUCKING WHITE KNIGHTING TV SHOW CHARACTERS.

  ....what? White knighting? Dude did something for a girl under the viel of "being nice" but ultimately had designs of using that as leverage to bone her. Can't say Ive never done something similar. Still not rape. She could have backed out at any time, and the worst that would happen would be Pete ratting her out (not, you know, Pete actually raping her). She chose to sleep with him. 

Rape - Joan's husband.
Not rape - Pete Campbell.

[CajoleJuice]

Kinda sums it up.

http://bitchmagazine.org/post/pete-campbell-is-a-rapist

Also, Wikipedia says "rapes". QED.

[Great Rumbler]

Kinda sums it up.

http://bitchmagazine.org/post/pete-campbell-is-a-rapist

Also, Wikipedia says "rapes". QED.

I have never seen the show, so I can't comment about this specific instance being discussed. I have heard about the show, and I'd rather not watch it. What's worrisome to me is some of the logic being used to explain WHY what he did (in the show) is rape.

Now, maybe I needed to see the show to get this context, but I heard that she kissed him back. Now, I want to try to be open-minded about this and imagine as many possible scenarios where different realities could coexist simultaneously.

Let's say, for instance, someone comes up to me with a gun and says, "Give me all of your money or I'll shoot!" So, I have over my money and run off. Did he REALLY steal my money? I mean, *I* handed it TO him, didn't I? Well, sure... but I was coerced. He had a gun. It was my money or my life. That wasn't fair.

Now, let's say instead, someone comes up to me with no gun and says, "Give me all of your money!" So, I have over my money and run off. Did he REALLY steal my money? I mean, *I* handed it TO him, didn't I? Well, sure... but I was coerced. He didn't have a gun, though. He also didn't really say he'd beat me up if I didn't give him my money. I was only afraid that he MIGHT beat me up. So, perhaps this was still the same thing, right?

Now, let's say instead, someone walks up to me with no gun and says, "Can you spare some change?" So, I have over my money and run off. Did he REALLY steal my money? I mean, *I* handed it TO him, didn't I? Well, sure... but I was coerced. He was wearing old looking clothes and I was in my dress clothes. I would be frowned upon by society if I didn't give him some of my money. He didn't have a gun, though. He also didn't really say he'd beat me up if I didn't give him my money. I wasn't that he'd beat me up, but he was certainly using a guilt-trip on me, wasn't he? So, perhaps this was still the same thing, right?

So now, imagine a husband and wife. The husband says to his wife every night, "Look... I have needs... just like I get hungry for food and I eat... and I get thirsty for water and I drink... I get the urge for sex and want sex... I know you're never in the mood... and we don't need to have sex every night... I'm just looking for sex once in a while... I would never cheat on you... part of the concept of marriage is that we reserve our sexuality to each other exclusively... but since you are never in the mood, it puts me into a precarious situation... I can't just shut off my needs and desires... you have needs and desires too... you want flowers from time to time... and sweet words... and I do these things... I give you personalized cards... and I send you flowers... so all I'm saying is that we both have needs and, as exclusive partners to each other, we only have each other to meet these needs."

What a jerk, right? He's using a guilt-trip, trying to rape his wife. Just like that darn beggar on the street with his dirty clothes.

What concerns me is that many people, fearing that they might allow someone to get away with rape, start classifying ALL of these scenarios as being EXACTLY THE SAME. So, what happens when the law catches up? Do we start throwing the homeless in prison for daring to look pitiful? Do we throw wives in prison for thinking Sean Connery looks good for his age?

Remember that the women who were killed during the Salem Witch Trials were mostly women whose husbands were cheating on them... or they were the mistresses. If the husband wanted to continue cheating, he said his wife was a witch. If he didn't want to continue cheating, he said his mistress was the witch. So history is filled with people using terms loosely ("She's practicing witchcraft" instead of just "I don't like her" or "I need to silence her") to gain power advantages over other people. Unfortunately, in some cases, the term "rape" is being used in the same way.

My concern is that by expanding the definition of rape, are we diluting the word?

I mean, it could eventually reach a point where I can say that this blog raped by eyes with its vibrant colors. The flashy ads sexually violated my sense of ocular purity.

By doing too far with a definition that was once specific and making it a whole lot more broad, then you take away from those who were kidnapped, physically held down against their will, and violently beaten and raped and left to die. I would feel AWFUL if I told such an individual that I, TOO, was "raped" because my wife coerced me into having sex with her by telling me she was horny, even though I wasn't, but I gave her satisfaction anyway because I would prefer her to be happy, even though I had a migraine at the time and it didn't help any, despite claims to the contrary.

Imagine a woman standing there, bruised, bleeding, needing years of therapy... and I'm telling her that I can sympathize with her because I, too, was "raped"? How dare I?

Again, I'm not saying we should excuse ANY person who psychologically pressures ANYONE into doing ANYTHING against their will by using powerful words such as "please" or "oh, come on" or other tactics from the death penalty. All I am saying is that by using a once powerful word in both extreme situations and lesser situations, then saying "It's not LESSER. It's the SAME! There is NO DIFFERENCE!" then, in my humble opinion, we are doing a MAJOR disservice to those who really feel that they were violated to a much more severe degree. Maybe we need to come up with more words? Maybe rape is the general term that can be used in ANY scenario where sex was involved and there was later regret? Then, we could come up with a word like PRAPE meaning "Physical rape, when physical dominance was involved" or SRAPE meaning "Spousal rape, when you only had sex because it was a part of your wedding vows, but you weren't really in the mood at the time." Maybe SADRAPE could be "Having sex with someone who has Social Anxiety Disorder" because having such an affliction should be on par with being drunk or drugged. Maybe SHRAPE would be "having sex with someone who is shy" because that falls pretty closely with Social Anxiety Disorder.

Then, it makes me wonder if we need words that represent the opposite of rape. What about the person who WANTED the sex... but was too shy to show it. So, at first, they turned away which sent a signal of "no, I want to remain a virgin forever." Then, the other person just said "It's ok" and walked away. That, in itself, is a form of psychological rape. The shy person wants to shout out "No! I really wanted to have sex! Please come back!" but they can't, because they're shy. So, instead, they take a bunch of pills later that night and die. Not before scribbling into their diary, "I was SHRAPED tonight. Goodbye cruel world."

It really disgusts me how people take a concept like rape so lightly these days, where now it simply means "Sex where both parties did not sign waivers before hand, give universally clear signals of full consent prior to intercourse, did not have any regrets later, both perceived each other as equals with one not being more powerful than the other whether universally understood or merely perceived by one individual, and neither individual suffered from any psychiatric disorder such as Social Anxiety Disorder, shyness, flirtatiousness, or any disorder which would cause the inability to set boundaries and communicate these boundaries to others clearly and not allow anyone to violate these boundaries without clearly communicating this fact as many times as necessary or removing oneself from the compromising position." Now that the word is more clearly defined, both parties should sign here and may now commence engaging in the romantic act of sex. Oh, it's not romantic anymore? In that case, stop what you're doing right now... now that it isn't fun anymore, it's rape.

[CajoleJuice]

She got PETERAPED

[Solo]

I think you'd get laid if you raped some girls, Juice.

[Barry Egan]

super creepo move, but not rape.

[CajoleJuice]

I think you'd get laid if you raped some girls, Juice.

Unlike you, I don't need to resort to such tactics.

[Positive Touch]

lotta stupid in this thread

she didn't want to have sex with him, but she felt obligated to.  she did not want to have sex.  that is rape.

....what? White knighting? Dude did something for a girl under the viel of "being nice" but ultimately had designs of using that as leverage to bone her. Can't say Ive never done something similar. Still not rape. She could have backed out at any time, and the worst that would happen would be Pete ratting her out (not, you know, Pete actually raping her). She chose to sleep with him. 

 

[Solo]

When you take a girl out for dinner, or take her shopping, or take her to a concert, its the same thing. You are paying for sex.

[CajoleJuice]

You are being a straight-up distinguished mentally-challenged fellow right now.

[OptimoPeach]

[Himu]

ahahaha

[Solo]

You are being a straight-up distinguished mentally-challenged fellow right now.

Just telling it like it is for us rapists.

[Diunx]

lotta stupid in this thread

she didn't want to have sex with him, but she felt obligated to.  she did not want to have sex.  that is rape.

....what? White knighting? Dude did something for a girl under the viel of "being nice" but ultimately had designs of using that as leverage to bone her. Can't say Ive never done something similar. Still not rape. She could have backed out at any time, and the worst that would happen would be Pete ratting her out (not, you know, Pete actually raping her). She chose to sleep with him. 

 

She wasn't forced to have sex with him.

[Great Rumbler]

If somebody did something for me and then later they came and asked me to do something for them, I would feel obligated to do it. I might not even want to do it, maybe they're asking me for more than they gave me earlier. They're not FORCING me to do it though. Okay, so I might feel like a jerk for saying no. They might hate me for saying no. Maybe it'll even come back around and bite me for saying no. But that person isn't holding a gun to my head, that person's not threatening to come back later and harm or kill me. It's a choice and sometimes choices do have consequences either way.

He's a total sleaze for putting her in that situation and for pressing her into something that she obviously didn't want to do, but I just can't see that as rape and I don't think the law does either.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

As soon as you cross into that grey area and have to wonder whether or not you've raped someone you're a sad, desperate piece of shit.

I'm not sure there is a gray area.  It is pretty well defined: consensual vs. non-consensual.

[Diunx]

As soon as you cross into that grey area and have to wonder whether or not you've raped someone you're a sad, desperate piece of shit.

But you still not a rapist.

Petey Campbell

[Fresh Prince]

When you take a girl out for dinner, or take her shopping, or take her to a concert, its the same thing. You are paying for sex.

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He's a total sleaze for putting her in that situation and for pressing her into something that she obviously didn't want to do, but I just can't see that as rape and I don't think the law does either.

that would constitute coercion hence rape.

But the rest of the post is right. She was behind a door but she was the one that let him in. She could of just shut the door and lived with the consequences. But she didn't. She thought the best thing to do was to let him in. And then she regretted it.

[Solo]

As soon as you cross into that grey area and have to wonder whether or not you've raped someone you're a sad, desperate piece of shit.

Indeed. Peter Campbell never had such questions. A straight ballin' consentual sex machine.

[Mandark]

So we've downgraded from "It's all good, he directed Chinatown!" to "It's all good, he bought her a sandwich."

That just doesn't feel as classy.

[Fresh Prince]

That's like a bat symbol to Kosma. I'm not all that familiar with the Polanski case so I can't comment

[etiolate]

its a sleazy move but you don't actually see what goes on

[Positive Touch]

its a sleazy move but you don't actually see what goes on

yeah they prolly just watched t.v. or something

As soon as you cross into that grey area and have to wonder whether or not you've raped someone you're a sad, desperate piece of shit.

I'm not sure there is a gray area.  It is pretty well defined: consensual vs. non-consensual.

mandark on point as usual.  there is no grey area.  a person wants to have sex or they don't.  and using your position of authority to coerce someone into sex is OBVIOUSLY RAPE

[etiolate]

sometimes people are in a grey area of sexual desire

Physical vs Emotional vs Religious vs Social

[Fresh Prince]

grey = rape

[brawndolicious]

If he was threatening to tell her employer, then I would consider it rape.  But she obviously told her employer about it so that doesn't make me think her job was necessarily at risk.  It's hard to say since maybe she considered it worth risking her job if she could get him in trouble but I don't think a you-raped-my-nanny talk would sound that civil.  It seems more like she was upset at him just fucking her and forgetting about her.

[Dickie Dee]

To those saying it's rape - are you asking for a broader definition of the word than how it is legally applied? Should Pete be charged with a crime for this?

We don't really see what happened, we don't see Pete threaten or coerce her. Obviously alot was implied in that she didn't want him to be there and she was upset the next day about it - but one could concoct a scenario where he was just came on sleazy and she regretted whatever she consented to the next day.

Not saying it wasn't, but if people want to argue grey areas, at least do so with a bit more information or else it's just going to be people talking past each other.

[Solo]

She wasn't upset because she was raped. She was upset because she cheated on her boyfriend, willingly.

[etiolate]

Otherwise Peg Bundy's been raping Al for years

[Himu]

Otherwise Peg Bundy's been raping Al for years

[Fresh Prince]

She wasn't upset because she was raped. She was upset because she cheated on her boyfriend, willingly.

I presumed it was because she felt like a whore for sleeping with Pete for the sake of a dress. But whateves.

We don't really see what happened, we don't see Pete threaten or coerce her. Obviously alot was implied in that she didn't want him to be there and she was upset the next day about it - but one could concoct a scenario where he was just came on sleazy and she regretted whatever she consented to the next day.

Also this.

[CajoleJuice]

I raped Shake for a Prole Prize Package. It was worth it.

[TripleA]

Clever way of getting more viewers.

[Madrun Badrun]

grey = rape

Your avatar is grey.

[Fresh Prince]

who do you see? einstein or marilyn monroe?

[Madrun Badrun]

I see rape

[Phoenix Dark]

I raped Shake for a Prole Prize Package. It was worth it.

Your definition of rape or his? I'd imagine Prole Rape would equal putting your hands in another person's pockets during a sidehug

[Madrun Badrun]