Why didn't MS release a new console instead of this Kinect addon garbage?

[SantaC]

The 360 has soon been out for 5 years, and that's a normal console cycle these days. Back in the days I was wowed by the 360 graphics, but now PC gaming has surpassed the current consoles. I like PC gaming, but console gaming is still king for me. I would had no problem with a new console with updated graphics, faster HDD, better RAM and CPU specs along with better  interface.

But instead we are stuck with crappy wii-like minigames in HD for a couple of years 

[OptimoPeach]

Money

shitbin

[SantaC]

Money

TheBlackStallion is hysterical

But I thought the motion waving mini-games fad are over now. Nintendo has sucked everyone dry already.

[ManaByte]

Because the five year old Xbox 360 is still running rings around the PS3 and there's no real demand for an upgrade yet outside of graphic whores with $600 video cards in their PC?

[Himu]

Because the industry can't sustain a new console especially when developers are dying left and right this gen.

[Great Rumbler]

Sony and Microsoft lost BILLIONS creating high-tech, graphical-powerhouses that are only just now beginning to make a little money, while Nintendo spent a fraction of that making an updated Gamecube with motion control and has MADE billions. So there you go.

[SantaC]

Because the five year old Xbox 360 is still running rings around the PS3 and there's no real demand for an upgrade yet outside of graphic whores with $600 video cards in their PC?

It's not just about the graphics, but about a more up do date interface. For example, more RAM and faster HDD for better loadtimes. Better network adapter(N-standard). USB 3.0 ports, bluray discs (or similar) etc etc

[Himu]

Because the five year old Xbox 360 is still running rings around the PS3 and there's no real demand for an upgrade yet outside of graphic whores with $600 video cards in their PC?

It's not just about the graphics, but about a more up do date interface. For example, more RAM and faster HDD for better loadtimes. Better network adapter(N-standard). USB 3.0 ports, bluray discs (or similar) etc etc

Have you read any of the other responses in this thread?

Making a new console right now would be fucking stupid.

[Eel O'Brian]

my graphics card cost $200 and can run rings around 360 or ps3

they at least need to adequately perform at the resolution of current hdtvs (1080p), and neither one of them do

[SantaC]

Because the five year old Xbox 360 is still running rings around the PS3 and there's no real demand for an upgrade yet outside of graphic whores with $600 video cards in their PC?

It's not just about the graphics, but about a more up do date interface. For example, more RAM and faster HDD for better loadtimes. Better network adapter(N-standard). USB 3.0 ports, bluray discs (or similar) etc etc

Have you read any of the other responses in this thread?

Making a new console right now would be fucking stupid.

so what if kinect bombs? Who is stupid then.

[maxy]

Don't worry next year Nintendo will release Wii 2 and your dreams will come true.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

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[Himu]

Because the five year old Xbox 360 is still running rings around the PS3 and there's no real demand for an upgrade yet outside of graphic whores with $600 video cards in their PC?

It's not just about the graphics, but about a more up do date interface. For example, more RAM and faster HDD for better loadtimes. Better network adapter(N-standard). USB 3.0 ports, bluray discs (or similar) etc etc

Have you read any of the other responses in this thread?

Making a new console right now would be fucking stupid.

so what if kinect bombs? Who is stupid then.

That's the thing about kinect. It's a gamble but it's a gamble worth taking. Same thing with Move. They just can't afford making a new console now. Neither can Sony.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Microsoft has the capital to make a new console.  It's Sony who can't.

At any rate, Move and Kinect are just ways to have consumers pay to be guinea pigs to see what works and what doesn't for the upcoming successors.

However the 360 has built up a lot of good momentum and Microsoft would be dumb to turns hundreds of millions of dollars of annual profit to hundreds of millions of dollars of losses to put out another system.  If anyone wants to move to the next generation, it will fall on Sony's lap, who has the most reason to start up a new generation.

[Stoney Mason]

Why didn't MS release a new console instead of this Kinect addon garbage?

Because they are running a business and not trying to please SantaC so he can come to a forum and praise them.

REAL TALK.

[Himu]

Microsoft has the capital to make a new console.  It's Sony who can't.

True. But consoles are about developers.

And developers are flying left and right. Even if they have means, doesn't mean they should.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Why didn't MS release a new console instead of this Kinect addon garbage?

Because they are running a business and not trying to please SantaC so he can come to a forum and praise them.

REAL TALK.

SantaC is a nintard.  He had no intentions of praising Microsoft or Sony for making a new system.  He's just playing the concern troll role.  Poorly, I might add.

[Stoney Mason]

It has less to do with devs in the way some people mean.


It has to do with a shitty economy.
Systems that cost more than they did in the past which meant they had higher development and marketing costs throughout their lives from the manufacturer's side.   
The fact that the current systems haven't reached mainstream prices yet which is the below $200 mark.
The increasing dev costs which at the moment are skyhigh for Triple AAA games.
Microsoft is simply doing a lot better this gen so they want it to last as long as possible to make as much profit as possible not to mention recoup some of those red ringed 360 they had to eat earlier in the gen
Regular people (non forum types) aren't clamoring for more horse power yet.
The Wii demonstrated there is a lot of money to be made from casuals.

All this and more factor into such decisions. It's not rocket science to figure this stuff out.

SantaC is a nintard.  He had no intentions of praising Microsoft or Sony for making a new system.  He's just playing the concern troll role.  Poorly, I might add.

Ah. Makes sense.

[Great Rumbler]

Nintendo: Wii has slowed but is still doing well, focus is on launching the 3DS.
Sony: Lost way too much on PS3 development to think about PS4 just yet.
Microsoft: Finally turning a profit on Xbox360 and currently enjoying position as hardcore gamer's console of choice

And there you have it. Nobody's rushing out to make a new console because nobody else is rushing out to shove a new one into the market.

[Purple Filth]

Nintendo: Wii has slowed but is still doing well, focus is on launching the 3DS.
Sony: Lost way too much on PS3 development to think about PS4 just yet. Finally making some kind of profit and is rolling with it.
Microsoft: Finally turning a profit on Xbox360 and currently enjoying position as hardcore gamer's console of choice

And there you have it. Nobody's rushing out to make a new console because nobody else is rushing out to shove a new one into the market.

Fixed it a bit.

This gen looks like its gonna go a bit longer (especially if these new motion devices catch on a bit).

[Mr. Gundam]

I'm fine with this generation lasting longer. Games still look great, and it saves me from having to drop $300-$400 on another new system.

[The Sceneman]

ITT: Console Warriors come out to play

[Diunx]

I wouldn't mind if this gen last another 3 or 4 years, hell I'm still catching up on ps2 games.

[Himu]

don't make a new console until 2015. Oh who am i kidding? portable gaming future.

[Sho Nuff]

If only real life was like Game Dev Story, where new consoles were developed with ruthless abandon and their leading titles were PANTSU-KUN QUEST from WangSoft

[maxy]

don't make a new console until 2015. Oh who am i kidding? portable gaming future.

Luckily western developers don't give a shit about portable gaming.New consoles will appear or at least get announced within next two years.
My bet is...Nintendo first followed by Sony and then MS,6 months or maybe 1 year max space between them.

[chronovore]

Because the five year old Xbox 360 is still running rings around the PS3 and there's no real demand for an upgrade yet outside of graphic whores with $600 video cards in their PC?

This entry wins for conciseness, but it's not entirely accurate. It's been pointed out that a USD200 card will smite the 360, but people should remember that a 360 Arcade, as in: a whole, working system, can be purchased for USD200.

It has less to do with devs in the way some people mean.


It has to do with a shitty economy.
Systems that cost more than they did in the past which meant they had higher development and marketing costs throughout their lives from the manufacturer's side.   
The fact that the current systems haven't reached mainstream prices yet which is the below $200 mark.
The increasing dev costs which at the moment are skyhigh for Triple AAA games.
Microsoft is simply doing a lot better this gen so they want it to last as long as possible to make as much profit as possible not to mention recoup some of those red ringed 360 they had to eat earlier in the gen
Regular people (non forum types) aren't clamoring for more horse power yet.
The Wii demonstrated there is a lot of money to be made from casuals.

All this and more factor into such decisions. It's not rocket science to figure this stuff out.
(snip)

I agree with almost everything you wrote, though if Microsoft is targeting "casuals" with the Kinect, they should probably give up now. No casual buyer is going to drop USD150 on a controller for their 360 that only works with a few games, and costs as much as a Wii on its own. The USD200 (or 300 for a "real" 360) plus another USD150 for the Kinect is, I'm going to go out on a limb here, offputting to the casual gamer.

MS currently has the lead in the hardcore market. They're experimenting with Wii-like interfaces now, hoping to get something working and inexpensive by the time they launch the next big thing. But wondering why they're not bootstrapping a new console right now is like wondering why a marathon runner isn't switching to a new race when she's in the lead of the current one.

[naff]

I think the next 3 years are going to be great for console users and developers because the consoles are older and the hardware is aging. It means most devs have caught up with the latest hardware and their games have a good chance to sell well with large install bases. I want this generation to last another 5 years without Sony or MS releasing new hardware.

If they released new hardware, like ps3.1 or something I could be down with that. But anything that splits up the user base again would be distinguished mentally-challenged. Especially when it's such a tiny minority who actually take advantage of their consoles graphical capabilities and play games on HD TVs.

[maxy]

I think the next 3 years are going to be great for console users and developers because  the consoles are older and the hardware is aging. It means most devs have caught up with the latest hardware and their games have a good chance to sell well with large install bases. I want this generation to last another 5 years without Sony or MS releasing new hardware.

Actually it's not that simple,you should read this article.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-23-hard-numbers-article

Some interesting stuff

NPD fully admits that it is redacting its data because it has shown an ongoing decline - thus causing negative coverage and arguably unwarranted headaches for the industry as a whole.

So NPD has now turned into some gaming industry PR...good numbers(report),bad numbers(hide them,post spin)

Games like GTA,Halo,Mario,Fallout,COD are still selling great,but "middle class" games like(Castlevania,Enslaved,Vanquish,etc) are selling like shit...Castlevania is gone from UK top 40 charts in its second week...and to be in the top 10 UK you only need like 8-10k now...extremely low numbers
People know that they will be able to buy those games at 50% original price in few weeks...so they wait,plenty of other games to play...
Casual shovelware is fine,no problems there.

Btw,I'm talking about games perception among masses,not how good they are.

[Great Rumbler]

NPD fully admits that it is redacting its data because it has shown an ongoing decline - thus causing negative coverage and arguably unwarranted headaches for the industry as a whole.

[Stoney Mason]

Certainly a poor reason to do it. There is some truth to the idea that NPD was missing the whole picture. Digital Distribution sales even on consoles is increasing quite a bit. And so are used game sales. So its a bit misleading to take their data as the complete full picture. But then you could say the same thing about television or the movie industry and they don't feel the need to hide their basic data.

[Purple Filth]

I thought it was all Sony's fault for no NPD numbers?

[maxy]

I thought it was all Sony's fault for no NPD numbers?

Sony was the only one that didn't report report hardware and software numbers in their PR...and that tells a lot

[SantaC]

Why didn't MS release a new console instead of this Kinect addon garbage?

Because they are running a business and not trying to please SantaC so he can come to a forum and praise them.

REAL TALK.

So kinect is awesome because it is a great business move? Why should gamers care about this? And It is not like microsoft will go out of business soon either. I myself want to play games with HD graphics, slick gameplay and not waving my arms all the time. It was not fun with the Wii and it wont be fun with the 360.

oh look I am playing this shitty mini-game, but it is a great business move so I am all happy!

[SantaC]

Why didn't MS release a new console instead of this Kinect addon garbage?

Because they are running a business and not trying to please SantaC so he can come to a forum and praise them.

REAL TALK.

SantaC is a nintard.  He had no intentions of praising Microsoft or Sony for making a new system.  He's just playing the concern troll role.  Poorly, I might add.

oh please, look at my post history before judging me. Fucking idiot. I have trolled the Wii countless times and what do I own a 360 for?

[Stoney Mason]

So kinect is awesome because it is a great business move? Why should gamers care about this? And It is not like microsoft will go out of business soon either. I myself want to play games with HD graphics, slick gameplay and not waving my arms all the time. It was not fun with the Wii and it wont be fun with the 360.

oh look I am playing this shitty mini-game, but it is a great business move so I am all happy!

Who said anything about it being awesome? Who on this forum is excited about Kinnect? Or the Wii or the Move for that matter. You asked a nerd gamer rage question and I answered you factually and correctly sidestepping your nerd rage.

Nobody is forcing you to buy or like Kinnect. Trash it to high heavens. I have. But please stop making GAF like threads. There are plenty of threads that already exist to shit on Kinnect. And also don't act like this isn't a business first and foremost which is why these decisions are made. Otherwise you end up making yourself look like you are incredibly naive.

[maxy]

NPD tracks much more than gaming industry,but yeah games segment is funded by gaming "industry".

That also means that we will have numbers when next gen launches...

[Beezy]

So kinect is awesome because it is a great business move? Why should gamers care about this? And It is not like microsoft will go out of business soon either. I myself want to play games with HD graphics, slick gameplay and not waving my arms all the time. It was not fun with the Wii and it wont be fun with the 360.

oh look I am playing this shitty mini-game, but it is a great business move so I am all happy!

Who said anything about it being awesome? Who on this forum is excited about Kinnect? Or the Wii or the Move for that matter. You asked a nerd gamer rage question and I answered you factually and correctly sidestepping your nerd rage.

Nobody is forcing you to buy or like Kinnect. Trash it to high heavens. I have. But please stop making GAF like threads. There are plenty of threads that already exist to shit on Kinnect. And also don't act like this isn't a business first and foremost which is why these decisions are made. Otherwise you end up making yourself look like you are incredibly naive.

Stoney with that real talk

[EmCeeGrammar]

I understand where NPD is coming from. I have a feeling that consumers haven't necessarily stopped playing games, they just have many other avenues to approach it from other than the console space.  When you think about facebook apps, iphone apps, all the pc software that was never reported, there might be a substantial chunk. I think looking back this is going to be viewed as the most disruptive transitional period the industry has gone through. 

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And I like my Wii a lot, stfu guys.

[SantaC]

So kinect is awesome because it is a great business move? Why should gamers care about this? And It is not like microsoft will go out of business soon either. I myself want to play games with HD graphics, slick gameplay and not waving my arms all the time. It was not fun with the Wii and it wont be fun with the 360.

oh look I am playing this shitty mini-game, but it is a great business move so I am all happy!

Who said anything about it being awesome? Who on this forum is excited about Kinnect? Or the Wii or the Move for that matter. You asked a nerd gamer rage question and I answered you factually and correctly sidestepping your nerd rage.

Nobody is forcing you to buy or like Kinnect. Trash it to high heavens. I have. But please stop making GAF like threads. There are plenty of threads that already exist to shit on Kinnect. And also don't act like this isn't a business first and foremost which is why these decisions are made. Otherwise you end up making yourself look like you are incredibly naive.

It was you who made a gaf like post saying it is good business move. (who gives a shit if it is, i dont work for microsoft neither do you)
 

SPIN IT LIKE STONEY

[Stoney Mason]

It was you who made a gaf like post saying it is good business move. (who gives a shit if it is, i dont work for microsoft neither do you)
 

SPIN IT LIKE STONEY

Yeah you're dumb so I can ignore you now.

[SantaC]

It was you who made a gaf like post saying it is good business move. (who gives a shit if it is, i dont work for microsoft neither do you)
 

SPIN IT LIKE STONEY

Yeah you're dumb so I can ignore you now.

Please do.

[Stoney Mason]

edit:
And I like my Wii a lot, stfu guys.

I think the Wii is garbage. Which is separate from how I feel about Nintendo as a software company who I quite like and respect.

[SantaC]

edit:
And I like my Wii a lot, stfu guys.

I think the Wii is garbage. Which is separate from how I feel about Nintendo as a software company who I quite like and respect.

wow you respect a game company, you're so cool. Funny that you jumped on me agreeing that i was a nintendo fanboy.

[Stoney Mason]

Derp Derp!

[Great Rumbler]

So kinect is awesome because it is a great business move? Why should gamers care about this? And It is not like microsoft will go out of business soon either. I myself want to play games with HD graphics, slick gameplay and not waving my arms all the time. It was not fun with the Wii and it wont be fun with the 360.

oh look I am playing this shitty mini-game, but it is a great business move so I am all happy!

Who said anything about it being awesome? Who on this forum is excited about Kinnect? Or the Wii or the Move for that matter. You asked a nerd gamer rage question and I answered you factually and correctly sidestepping your nerd rage.

Nobody is forcing you to buy or like Kinnect. Trash it to high heavens. I have. But please stop making GAF like threads. There are plenty of threads that already exist to shit on Kinnect. And also don't act like this isn't a business first and foremost which is why these decisions are made. Otherwise you end up making yourself look like you are incredibly naive.

It was you who made a gaf like post saying it is good business move. (who gives a shit if it is, i dont work for microsoft neither do you)
 

SPIN IT LIKE STONEY

You asked why Microsoft did it and Stoney told you why.

[Phoenix Dark]

Stoney is too sensible for vidya game forumz. He's like our Stringer Bell

[cool breeze]

sounds like santac can't kinect the dots  :lenowned

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I didn't actually read this thread.  That was a general statement.

[close]

[Stoney Mason]

Stoney is too sensible for vidya game forumz. He's like our Stringer Bell

I don't like it when people fake post. And there isn't even any real need to over here since everybody on the board including me is a hater of something. If you want to make a Kinect sucks thread just make a Kinect sucks thread. Hey I'm down with that. 95% of us have the same opinion on the subject.

[TripleA]

If Kinect succeeds, Microsoft will devote more time and resources into casual gaming.

I really hope it succeeds.

[maxy]

Sorry people,Apple is going to buy everything

The US stock market is alive with rumours that Apple is about to launch an unprecedented acquisition - with Sony and EA just two of gaming's mentioned targets.

Apple has $51 billion cash to spend - and, last week, Steve Jobs hinted at where that might go.

"We strongly believe that one or more very strategic opportunities may come along, that we can take, that we're in a unique position to take advantage of because of our strong cash position," he told investors.

"So I think that we would like to continue to keep our powder dry because we do feel that there are one or more strategic opportunities in the future."

Could those "strategic opportunities" include the purchase of a video games company?

Some on Wall Street obviously think so.

Kaufman Brothers have tipped EA, Netflix and even Facebook as targets.

But it today emerged that financial wires have also nodded to Adobe, Disney and - wait for it - Sony.

Leading financial magazine Barron's is reportedly suggesting that Apple faces "speculation that it could acquire Adobe Systems, Sony, or even Walt Disney".

Just imagine. It sounds crazy.

But $51 billion and no debt is an enviable position - particularly when you consider that, for its last fiscal year to March 31, 2010, Sony announced a net loss of 40.8 billion yen ($440 million dollars).

The Japanese hardware giant is estimated to have a Market Cap value in the region of $40 billion - comfortably in Apple's price range.

Something massive could be a'brewing. Stay tuned.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=271625

[Raban]

Shit/Bin with a vengeance, ban SantaC, bring back Willco, Icon Stoney, send Demi some cock pics, buy me a sandwich

LISTEN TO THIS MAN.

[The Sceneman]

Sorry people,Apple is going to buy everything

The US stock market is alive with rumours that Apple is about to launch an unprecedented acquisition - with Sony and EA just two of gaming's mentioned targets.

Apple has $51 billion cash to spend - and, last week, Steve Jobs hinted at where that might go.

"We strongly believe that one or more very strategic opportunities may come along, that we can take, that we're in a unique position to take advantage of because of our strong cash position," he told investors.

"So I think that we would like to continue to keep our powder dry because we do feel that there are one or more strategic opportunities in the future."

Could those "strategic opportunities" include the purchase of a video games company?

Some on Wall Street obviously think so.

Kaufman Brothers have tipped EA, Netflix and even Facebook as targets.

But it today emerged that financial wires have also nodded to Adobe, Disney and - wait for it - Sony.

Leading financial magazine Barron's is reportedly suggesting that Apple faces "speculation that it could acquire Adobe Systems, Sony, or even Walt Disney".

Just imagine. It sounds crazy.

But $51 billion and no debt is an enviable position - particularly when you consider that, for its last fiscal year to March 31, 2010, Sony announced a net loss of 40.8 billion yen ($440 million dollars).

The Japanese hardware giant is estimated to have a Market Cap value in the region of $40 billion - comfortably in Apple's price range.

Something massive could be a'brewing. Stay tuned.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=271625

I call BS on this. Apple will probably just buy a local sandwich shop for 300k

[Beezy]

Apple better not touch EA or netflix.

[SantaC]

Stoney is too sensible for vidya game forumz. He's like our Stringer Bell

I don't like it when people fake post. And there isn't even any real need to over here since everybody on the board including me is a hater of something. If you want to make a Kinect sucks thread just make a Kinect sucks thread. Hey I'm down with that. 95% of us have the same opinion on the subject.

Wait what i fake post? You really dont get it. How can the nerds ln here look up to you.only demi is allright imo.

[Beezy]

I don't remember you being this much of a dickhead at gaf. You got your question answered. Whether you like it or not is your problem.

[chronovore]

(snip)
I call BS on this. Apple will probably just buy a local sandwich shop for 300k

Yeah, Apple may buy a couple studios but they'd not buy something giant like Sony or EA.

And do they really have US$51B? I thought that was their recently reported revenue, not profit.

[chronovore]

I don't remember you being this much of a dickhead at gaf. You got your question answered. Whether you like it or not is your problem.

It's not really a question, that's the thing. It's a trojan, made to initiate responses, which can then be refuted.

[The Sceneman]

(snip)
I call BS on this. Apple will probably just buy a local sandwich shop for 300k

Yeah, Apple may buy a couple studios but they'd not buy something giant like Sony or EA.

And do they really have US$51B? I thought that was their recently reported revenue, not profit.

I think the $51B figure is their collected cash pile from many years of turning big profits

[Great Rumbler]

(snip)
I call BS on this. Apple will probably just buy a local sandwich shop for 300k

Yeah, Apple may buy a couple studios but they'd not buy something giant like Sony or EA.

And do they really have US$51B? I thought that was their recently reported revenue, not profit.

I think the $51B figure is their collected cash pile from many years of turning big profits

Well, considering that they have $47 billion in TOTAL ASSETS, I don't really think they have a cash pile of $51 billion sitting around.