PS VITA thread(embargo over,previews overload)

[maxy]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6287014.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=picks&tag=picks%3Btitle%3B1
you can drool here

The demos that have been shown don't really convince me of PS3 equivalent power.  The image quality is really nice in that Uncharted demo, possibly even better than on the PS3 games but there's so little going on.  Same thing with MGS4.  It reminded me of the dog and pony show that Nintendo staged with the Resident Evil demo which got everyone crooning about 3DS having PS3/360 graphics. 

Tim Sweeney said that it has roughly 4x processing power of any current mobile device...so yeah not really

Also those rumored specs(that turned true) mention that it has 128MB VRAM

[cool breeze]

from John Carmack

http://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/30655938016837632

Low level APIs will allow the Sony NGP to perform about a generation beyond smart phones with comparable specs.

I don't even know what that means but I'm excited.

[Smooth Groove]

Some site mentioned that on paper, the NGP's GPU offers about the same performance as the Xbox1 GPU.   If that's true, relative to screen size, NGP games should be able to do much more than the PS2/Xbox.  However, that also means that PS2 emulation is unlikely.  

[Cormacaroni]

I'm still skeptical about the processing power.  At such a small resolution, a fast single core GPU makes more sense than a Quad-core GPU.  That GPU could be outdated like the RSX in two years.  

The demos that have been shown don't really convince me of PS3 equivalent power.  The image quality is really nice in that Uncharted demo, possibly even better than on the PS3 games but there's so little going on.  Same thing with MGS4.  It reminded me of the dog and pony show that Nintendo staged with the Resident Evil demo which got everyone crooning about 3DS having PS3/360 graphics.  

It'll be outdated by the end of the year, in terms of h/w specs at least. Every damn Android device out there will be rockin' stuff on this level. Tegra 3 isn't far away.

[maxy]

Yeah if they could do it,that would be talked a lot

It's kinda hard to tell anything without proper res direct feed screens

[Eel O'Brian]

i can see that back touchpad potentially being a hand-cramper, looks like you have to grip the back with your fingertips to avoid accidentally touching it during gameplay

[Eel O'Brian]

the gyroscope looks pretty awesome, though, when that dude used the sniper rifle in the uncharted demo my eyes lit up

[BlueTsunami]

from John Carmack

http://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/30655938016837632

Low level APIs will allow the Sony NGP to perform about a generation beyond smart phones with comparable specs.

I don't even know what that means but I'm excited.

Sounds like they've got the software in place to develop games that can utilize the hardware better than what smartphones can do currently.

[maxy]

i can see that back touchpad potentially being a hand-cramper, looks like you have to grip the back with your fingertips to avoid accidentally touching it during gameplay

Yeah,i hope that they play-tested it a lot outside Japan

[MyNameIsMethodis]

i can see that back touchpad potentially being a hand-cramper, looks like you have to grip the back with your fingertips to avoid accidentally touching it during gameplay

Therel ooks to be back grips for your hands.

[ManaByte]

Yes but what about large American hands. That thing is made for tiny Japanese hands.

[cool breeze]

the gyroscope looks pretty awesome, though, when that dude used the sniper rifle in the uncharted demo my eyes lit up

yeah, I really liked that and how it was used in Hot Shots Golf.

3DS is doing similar things with Zelda, but the NGP has the edge because it still has the analog stick for more board turning movements.  The camera/motion controls are good for fine tuning your aim.  And it would actually work here unlike Killzone cuz the screen moves with you.

I keep thinking the backscreen will just be used to simulate buttons.  Like in Call of Duty, you tap back there to run since there is no L3 click.

[Eel O'Brian]

I wonder if the sticks click in for L3/R3 functions?

[Eel O'Brian]

there'll probably be a bunch of accessory "shells" made for it that add dual-shock type grips, like there were for the psp (i had one, and it actually worked pretty well!)

that'll help with any potential cramping

[cool breeze]

Take is as a rumor

Some third party dev twitter said something like "wait until tomorrow"
Maybe they postponed third party announcements

I refuse to believe that Square has nothing to show

Bunch of first party ports and COD...that can't be right,right?

according to someone on gaf who works at Sidhe (who made Shatter), Sony got footage for a bunch of games to make a sizzle trailer and decided not to show it.  Don't know why they didn't, so maybe they do tomorrow.

whatever the case,

Shatter 2 NGP!
Gripshift 2 NGP!
Blood Drive 2 NGP...

[Eel O'Brian]

i saw rockstar's logo and got a red dead hard-on

[cool breeze]

I would buy a Red Dead Revolver 2

also, Playstation Suite sounds pretty neat too.  It's like they're setting up a game portal for all android devices, and while the initial things are ps1 games, there will be more support for original content.

the nice thing is that all those games will work on the PSP2/NGP too.  If Suite is successful, then you'll have cheap app store like games on the NGP, except not a total failure like Minis where it was only restricted to the PSP/PS3.

[maxy]

Gamespot interview with Shuhei Yoshida

http://www.gamespot.com/ngp/action/uncharted/video/6287022?hd=1#toggle_video

[Eel O'Brian]

i am genuinely excited for this portable electronic entertainment device!

[BlueTsunami]

I hope the GPS gets a nice app and maps that allows it to be used for moderate hiking. Sure the battery won't last as long as a dedicated GPS but it'd be cool. I'd probably even buy and charage a secondary battery just to have an all in one GPS media device.

[cool breeze]

I don't think there is a removable battery.  After the pandora battery thing, they stopped with the go.

[maxy]

From that gamespot interview

western support at E3
proprietary flash memory card for games and expanding storage
small games exclusively on PSN
other games...same will have both retail,PSN release and some won't,larger games will have both
PSN id movable to NGP
BC compatible with PSP PSN games,improved graphics(a little)

[Mr. Gundam]

Sounds cool, but it's still a portable, meaning I'd rarely play it.

[Bebpo]

I don't think there is a removable battery.  After the pandora battery thing, they stopped with the go.

Sony response to hacker ruining everything.  PS3 is next :\


The worst part of these stupid systems without removable battery is you go on 12-20 hour plane flight and after it dies in 3 hours you're fucked   With PSP1 I'd bring like 3 batteries with me for those types of flights.

[Eel O'Brian]

From that gamespot interview

western support at E3
proprietary flash memory card for games and expanding storage
small games exclusively on PSN
other games...same will have both retail,PSN release and some won't,larger games will have both
PSN id movable to NGP
BC compatible with PSP PSN games,improved graphics(a little)

hmm, there wasn't any mention of storage in the specs list - maybe there isn't going to be a built-in drive?

[Eel O'Brian]

I don't think there is a removable battery.  After the pandora battery thing, they stopped with the go.

Sony response to hacker ruining everything.  PS3 is next :\


The worst part of these stupid systems without removable battery is you go on 12-20 hour plane flight and after it dies in 3 hours you're fucked   With PSP1 I'd bring like 3 batteries with me for those types of flights.

there'll be plenty of battery cases available for you, i'm sure

[maxy]

From that gamespot interview

western support at E3
proprietary flash memory card for games and expanding storage
small games exclusively on PSN
other games...same will have both retail,PSN release and some won't,larger games will have both
PSN id movable to NGP
BC compatible with PSP PSN games,improved graphics(a little)

hmm, there wasn't any mention of storage in the specs list - maybe there isn't going to be a built-in drive?

No drive apparently,he said that there are two slots,one for game one for storage

[Eel O'Brian]

that's fine by me, means i get to choose how much i want to add

[cool breeze]

I don't think there is a removable battery.  After the pandora battery thing, they stopped with the go.

Sony response to hacker ruining everything.  PS3 is next :\


The worst part of these stupid systems without removable battery is you go on 12-20 hour plane flight and after it dies in 3 hours you're fucked   With PSP1 I'd bring like 3 batteries with me for those types of flights.

well, they do make charge grips or external charge packs that can be used.  I had one for my PSP-1000 back when I used to travel more.  I'm sure both the 3DS and NGP will get one.  There are a bunch already for the iphone.  If they go with USB charging, like they should, there are even more options.

but yeah, it's a shame there is no removable battery.

and I wonder what they mean by proprietary for expanding storage.  i knew that games would come on them, but I expected regular SD or media cards.  Proprietary just screams "we will fuck you up the ass with price because we can"

[Eel O'Brian]

not if they want to sell downloadable games, they won't

[Bebpo]

Games are $50 in the US.  No doubt.  HD games at slightly lower quality for $10 less.

In Japan they'll be 6800yen (~$70).  Same as high end PS2/Wii, low end PS3/X360.


I bet there will be combo packs too.  Like $70-80 for PS3+PSP2 copies with shareable save files.

[cool breeze]

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=020163&loc=homeflash1&affID=77777&sourceID=FKSJxY2VJAk-HoK9zjUtwSimigda6fg1OA

Gamestop aiming high 

[maxy]

I don't think there is a removable battery.  After the pandora battery thing, they stopped with the go.

Sony response to hacker ruining everything.  PS3 is next :\


The worst part of these stupid systems without removable battery is you go on 12-20 hour plane flight and after it dies in 3 hours you're fucked   With PSP1 I'd bring like 3 batteries with me for those types of flights.

well, they do make charge grips or external charge packs that can be used.  I had one for my PSP-1000 back when I used to travel more.  I'm sure both the 3DS and NGP will get one.  There are a bunch already for the iphone.  If they go with USB charging, like they should, there are even more options.

but yeah, it's a shame there is no removable battery.

and I wonder what they mean by proprietary for expanding storage.  i knew that games would come on them, but I expected regular SD or media cards.  Proprietary just screams "we will fuck you up the ass with price because we can"

proprietary means...made by Sony,bound to be expensive
he said that they are developing it(probably still not finalized)

Now they can even offer some low level SKU without storage since you can save on game card

[ManaByte]

Games are $50 in the US.  No doubt.  HD games at slightly lower quality for $10 less.

In Japan they'll be 6800yen (~$70).  Same as high end PS2/Wii, low end PS3/X360.


I bet there will be combo packs too.  Like $70-80 for PS3+PSP2 copies with shareable save files.

No, they'll just treat the NGP version like a digital copy that comes with a Blu-Ray. They don't charge $30 extra for that, and they'll likely do the same thing. Buy the PS3 version and it'll either come with a SD card with the game or a PSN code to download the NGP version. Just like they do it with Blu-Rays now. Some have the digital copy on a DVD and others just give you a download code.

[Bebpo]

But then people will "share" games.  One person buys it for the PS3 version and sells the PSP2 version code on ebay.  Or buys it and uses the code and returns the game to gamestop.

I think combo packs will charge a decent overhead to make up for that loss.

[cool breeze]

I don't see physical combo packs happening.

If anything, you buy it on PSN and you can play it on both, like how Minis and PS1 games are handled.  PS3 occasionally gets full games up, sometimes at release date like mass effect 2.  It will probably be the same for PSP games like Monster Hunter.

I wish there was a way to get psn versions of my umd games without paying full price.  Like, I'd be willing to register it and spend $5 to have a PSN version of Peace Walker that I could play with dual sticks on the NGP.

Ideally, PSN games going forward should be on both.  Buy Joe Danger and play it on both.  Cloud saving would also be ideal. hell, I might even go for Playstation Plus if they do that.

[Phoenix Dark]

An overpriced handheld launching with a lackluster handful of ports of games from a popular console. Good to see Sony is switching the game plan up a bit

[Himu]

Yeah, we sure do know the entire launch list. Shut the fuck up.

[magus]

An overpriced handheld launching with a lackluster handful of ports of games from a popular console.

sounds like the 3DS

[Corporal]

Didn't the GBA have SNES emulation? Not expecting full speed but it would be nice to have some form of emulation.

Oh hell no. Those "SNES games" were built from scratch for the GBA.  

[cool breeze]

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[magus]

Didn't the GBA have SNES emulation? Not expecting full speed but it would be nice to have some form of emulation.

Oh hell no. Those "SNES games" were built from scratch for the GBA.  

if i'm not mistaken they also brighted up a lot of them because you can't see shit on the gba screen

[EmCeeGrammar]

So, will this be successful outside of Japan?  The psp mindshare (party like its 2005!) has shriveled up elsewhere and I'm skeptical if it can sell well out of the gate. 

[EmCeeGrammar]

jesus - just got back from a group meet up

wtf is wrong with Nintendo fans?!

"Battery life will be shit" "games look shit" "it's too big" "Lol ports of PS3 games" etc etc

backed into a corner
making shit up
outclassed and not a single game of note

PSP2 is Nintendo baby eater

whilst PSP to DS was Dreamcast vs N64, PSP2 to 3DS is PS3 vs N64 (BUT THIS TIME 3D!!!)

An overpriced handheld launching with a lackluster handful of ports of games from a popular console. Good to see Sony is switching the game plan up a bit

yeah, because the fucking Nintendo game plan is so much more refined!!! Filth N-thing, grow a brain next time

I think you just proved you're just as subject to hyperbolic vitrol. :l

[cool breeze]

jesus - just got back from a group meet up

wtf is wrong with Nintendo fans?!

"Battery life will be shit" "games look shit" "it's too big" "Lol ports of PS3 games" etc etc

backed into a corner
making shit up
outclassed and not a single game of note

PSP2 is Nintendo baby eater

whilst PSP to DS was Dreamcast vs N64, PSP2 to 3DS is PS3 vs N64 (BUT THIS TIME 3D!!!)

An overpriced handheld launching with a lackluster handful of ports of games from a popular console. Good to see Sony is switching the game plan up a bit

yeah, because the fucking Nintendo game plan is so much more refined!!! Filthy N-thing, grow a brain next time

all hail SFE

[Trent Dole]

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?sku=020163&loc=homeflash1&affID=77777&sourceID=FKSJxY2VJAk-HoK9zjUtwSimigda6fg1OA

Gamestop aiming high 

Hahaha, it's going to be half of that max for the top model if they have any sense. The no disc drive thing is cool in terms of machine size but I never owned an og PSP and there's some shit on it that I'd like to be able to play without worrying about wether or not it's on the stupid PSN storefront.  

[EmCeeGrammar]

We still don't know how much this thing is going to cost, mang.  Sony's idea of 'affordable' is kinda whack.  So all the great tech is moot if its not affordable.

Now as to software, the problem I see is that the revealed stuff are ps3 retreads, and nothing in this world makes me want to play Uncharted anything, or uh Resistance.  It was typical tame shit when it was released on the ps3 and it still is.  Wipeout looks cool.  As I've said, the capacitive touch screen is a huge boon for courting ios developers, and thats the most interesting implication of the future software prospects.

3ds is launching weak, but Nintendo usually comes through with interesting software. 

[Himu]

I am going to buy both and jack off on both of them

[EmCeeGrammar]

It was just stunning to hear self proclaimed N-things spout out negatives that applied EVEN MORE SO against their prefered next gen hand held of choice.

And how is this 'stunning'? If they are as self proclaimed as... claimed, thats exactly the kinda thing I would expect to hear!

You may have to elaborate who you were among during this escapade.  Was it JGAf crew? 

[magus]

You're my boy and all dc, but real talk, this is exactly what you guys sounded like a couple weeks ago about the 3DS.

yea personaly i think that so far both alternative are awfull

it's kinda like aliens vs predator

WHOEVER WINS WE LOSE

[Himu]

We still don't know how much this thing is going to cost, mang.  Sony's idea of 'affordable' is kinda whack.  So all the great tech is moot if its not affordable.

Now as to software, the problem I see is that the revealed stuff are ps3 retreads, and nothing in this world makes me want to play Uncharted anything, or uh Resistance.  It was typical tame shit when it was released on the ps3 and it still is.  Wipeout looks cool.  As I've said, the capacitive touch screen is a huge boon for courting ios developers, and thats the most interesting implication of the future software prospects.

3ds is launching weak, but Nintendo usually comes through with interesting software. 

it's pretty obvious that this thing is a ways off and we don't know all about it, or even its launch, so talk of ngp software at this point is silly

[Himu]

You're my boy and all dc, but real talk, this is exactly what you guys sounded like a couple weeks ago about the 3DS.

yea personaly i think that so far both alternative are awfull

it's kinda like aliens vs predator

WHOEVER WINS WE LOSE

whoever wins we win

[Diunx]

RTS games using the rear pad and touchscreen would be hot hot hot

[Bebpo]

jesus - just got back from a group meet up

wtf is wrong with Nintendo fans?!

"Battery life will be shit" "games look shit" "it's too big" "Lol ports of PS3 games" etc etc

backed into a corner
making shit up
outclassed and not a single game of note

PSP2 is Nintendo baby eater

whilst PSP to DS was Dreamcast vs N64, PSP2 to 3DS is PS3 vs N64 (BUT THIS TIME 3D!!!)

yeah, because the fucking Nintendo game plan is so much more refined!!! Filthy N-thing, grow a brain next time

You're my boy and all dc, but real talk, this is exactly what you guys sounded like a couple weeks ago about the 3DS.  

Actually that's what we all said on the PSP launch day

[BlueTsunami]

Its weird seeing handhelds games being projected to a giant screen and still looking pretty good graphically

[Himu]

psp had ports of ps2 games? psp had a fantastic launch. wtf is wrong with you people?

[Himu]

Its weird seeing handhelds games being projected to a giant screen and still looking pretty good graphically

The future, baby. Give this baby tv out and call it ps4 please.

[EmCeeGrammar]

We still don't know how much this thing is going to cost, mang.  Sony's idea of 'affordable' is kinda whack.  So all the great tech is moot if its not affordable.

Now as to software, the problem I see is that the revealed stuff are ps3 retreads, and nothing in this world makes me want to play Uncharted anything, or uh Resistance.  It was typical tame shit when it was released on the ps3 and it still is.  Wipeout looks cool.  As I've said, the capacitive touch screen is a huge boon for courting ios developers, and thats the most interesting implication of the future software prospects.

3ds is launching weak, but Nintendo usually comes through with interesting software. 

it's pretty obvious that this thing is a ways off and we don't know all about it, or even its launch, so talk of ngp software at this point is silly

I'm working with what I have.  That's usually how forum discussion works.  I could bs and say that third parties probably have no faith in the platform outside of japan after the psp, ds domination, apple indoctrinating blah blah  blah but its probably TOO presumptious to go that route. 

[Van Cruncheon]

So, will this be successful outside of Japan?  The psp mindshare (party like its 2005!) has shriveled up elsewhere and I'm skeptical if it can sell well out of the gate.  I can appreciate that they are trying to do their own thing but will it work?

CONCERN TROLL IS CONCERNED. :'(

[Bebpo]

You're my boy and all dc, but real talk, this is exactly what you guys sounded like a couple weeks ago about the 3DS.

yea personaly i think that so far both alternative are awfull

it's kinda like aliens vs predator

WHOEVER WINS WE LOSE

You're just mad because neither are hacked yet