PS VITA thread(embargo over,previews overload)

[Smooth Groove]

ZuneHD and some of the Samung phones have OLEDS and are priced below $200.

Like others in this thread have mentioned, the NGP's hardware really isn't that ridiculous compared to a high-end smartphone, especially a year from now.  This is why I think that a price below $300 is possible.  If phone companies can figure out how to sell a Samsung Vibrant for $99, so can Sony.  They just might have to bundle a data plan with it.  I think most people would be fine with a $15 monthly fee for two years if the NGP is around $250 to $300.  

[magus]

the game boy also launched with tetris and super mario land
clearly a better launch line-up than the 3ds

gameboy

[Smooth Groove]

listen, i can only afford one handheld which will sit on a shelf unplayed after six months, and i want the one that's gonna look best covered in dust

ha, that's exactly how I feel about handheld gaming.  I buy handhelds because as a videogames enthusiast, I want to check out every system that is at least somewhat decent.  However, after the novelty wears off, handheld gaming just seems redundant because I can almost always play the same type of games far more comfortably with a bigger screen, better graphics, controls, etc.  Imo, Sony and Nintendo are both underestimating this factor with the way they're pricing stuff.  At $30 for a portable game, I might double dip for a franchise I really like.  At 40 to 50 bucks, I will definitely pass and get the superior console or PC version.  Hardcore gamers are still gonna want the best experience possible, which is not possible on a handheld and casuals want their $2 games that are fun for a few days.  I'm not sure Nintendo and especially Sony get this, which is why I'm starting to lean towards the camp that think that smartphones are gonna destroy them this gen.  

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think Nintendo has the ability to rectify the situation in the future though.  As it is now first party software isn't looking cheap enough, but they have experience with releasing budget software based on simple concepts with mass appeal.  If they can reproduce the phenomenons of brain training, nintendogs, animal crossing, tomadochi connection, rhythm tengoku, etc.  with similarly developed software and the mario/pokemon trappings and remember to put it at an attractive price point they can sustain themselves in the long run.  Its all going to come down to if they are as stubborn as they were this gen when it comes to not lowering prices.  I could see them getting away with 20ish buck games and still being hugely successful, but again who knows if they will.

[Cormacaroni]

ZuneHD and some of the Samung phones have OLEDS and are priced below $200.

Like others in this thread have mentioned, the NGP's hardware really isn't that ridiculous compared to a high-end smartphone, especially a year from now.  This is why I think that a price below $300 is possible.  If phone companies can figure out how to sell a Samsung Vibrant for $99, so can Sony.  They just might have to bundle a data plan with it.  I think most people would be fine with a $15 monthly fee for two years if the NGP is around $250 to $300.  

Agreed on all points.

I keep hearing there will be stuff just as powerful within a few months, i.e. long before NGP hits the market. People need to stop comparing it to a PS3 and 3DS and just look at the CPU - there is nothing crazy fast in there, and nothing that won't be all over the place very shortly. It's an off-the-shelf processor.

[Shaka Khan]

I keep hearing there will be stuff just as powerful within a few months, i.e. long before NGP hits the market.

I don't think that'll happen, not in a few months, not before the NGP is released. Something half of its power will be released this year, but the NGP will enjoy a lead in tech for at least a year after its release. As in two years from now.

But don't quote me on this, my only reference is the B3D NGP thread.

[Nintendosbooger]

Anyone else disappointed by the hardware design of both handhelds? The 3DS looks virtually the same as its predecessor, likewise the PSP2. I was hoping for totally different looking machines.

[Cormacaroni]

I keep hearing there will be stuff just as powerful within a few months, i.e. long before NGP hits the market.

I don't think that'll happen, not in a few months, not before the NGP is released. Something half of its power will be released this year, but the NGP will enjoy a lead in tech for at least a year after its release. As in two years from now.

But don't quote me on this, my only reference is the B3D NGP thread.

It may enjoy the lead in performance, being a dedicated games machine (more or less) but the roadmaps exist, this other hardware is happening. Give me your rationale as to why all the other companies should wait when they can simply buy the same parts, please!

[Cormacaroni]

I'm not knocking the NGP obviously, just trying to offer a counterpoint to those who think it's ludicrously overpowered or something. It's not. All they have done is supply a reasonable amount of future-proofing, so the gfx won't look THAT hideous in 5-7 years time compared to phones and tablets.

[Shaka Khan]

Give me your rationale as to why all the other companies should wait when they can simply buy the same parts, please!

There isn't any, because they ARE coming as you've said. So far people are sure that nothing announced for a release this year will be fitted with the same parts. As for next year, it simply won't make much sense from a commercial standpoint to fit non-dedicated gaming devices with these parts, and even if they do none will probably manage their resources as efficiently as the NGP for gaming purposes. That is the only rationale anyone can give you.

[Cormacaroni]

Well ok, but I've heard it directly from people in the hardware biz. I can't back that up without giving up a friend who is NDA'ed up the ass, but anyone who knows me IRL will be able to figure it out

I mean, we know this much at least (leaked Nvidia internal roadmap):


Fall 2011 will see Tegra 3 - that's comfortably before NGP. And the Tegra 2 is already pushing similar power to NGP in phones coming in Feb. (the Atrix, not to mention the Xoom tablet). By fall/winter, these things will be everywhere thanks to the insanely competitive nature of the Android device market. Whether devs decide to make or port 5gig 'real' games for them is a different question - but they sure as hell could.

[Shaka Khan]

I'm a poor man with a moderate undestanding of hardware tech, so would you punch me in the face if I link you to some random posts/threads where some claimed that a Tegra3 GPU alone won't match the performance of the NGP's quad CPU and quad GPU configuration?

Tegra 3 is supposed to deliver 3x the performance of Tegra 2, while the NGP is rumored to roughly deliver 6x the performance.

[Cormacaroni]

there is no such thing as a Tegra GPU alone though. What would it do?

[Shaka Khan]

Well, you know what I mean: a tegra 3 not complimented/paired with a competent CPU.

[ch1nchilla]

I still think 3G will be standard across the board, mostly because it costs less than $5/unit to implement and it would sharply divide the market and development for the potential 3G applications. I think we will see a difference in storage space between the two units, and maybe the cheaper one will just require you to sign up for a data plan or something like that. Ultimately I think this is all futile speculation until E3 rolls around.

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What we do know is that the 3DS is massively overpriced for a console with 2002 technology and 15 year old ports of games we've all played 5,000 times. Will it have better games in the future? Yes. Will it win in terms of overall sales? Yes. But it will be inarguable that the PSP2 doesn't offer a vastly superior gaming and user experience and that's why fanboys are clamoring with hypocritical, inconceivable arguments.

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[cool breeze]

yeah, the 3G with a definitely a way they can make the price seem lower.  The Dell Streak is $550 without contract, $100 with a 2-year AT&T one.  Personally I don't care about 3G.  I'd rather just tether or something if I wanted to go online without wifi.

[Purple Filth]

Well ok, but I've heard it directly from people in the hardware biz. I can't back that up without giving up a friend who is NDA'ed up the ass, but anyone who knows me IRL will be able to figure it out

I mean, we know this much at least (leaked Nvidia internal roadmap):
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Fall 2011 will see Tegra 3 - that's comfortably before NGP. And the Tegra 2 is already pushing similar power to NGP in phones coming in Feb. (the Atrix, not to mention the Xoom tablet). By fall/winter, these things will be everywhere thanks to the insanely competitive nature of the Android device market. Whether devs decide to make or port 5gig 'real' games for them is a different question - but they sure as hell could.

You sure its not Tegra 3 (Tablet version) since NGP has a Quad Cortex A9 and a quad core GPU?

I wonder if Sony gonna give the detailed specs (Clock speeds, memory etc)

[Cormacaroni]

ok, sorry, I did some double-checking with my buddy and no, the Tegra 2 stuff that is coming this year is not going to be NGP level. But very soon after, he thinks we'll be seeing stuff on that level in phones, and probably before that in tablets.

Of course, all this hardware pipeline stuff could change, including Sony's. A shedload of manufacturers will be competing for a limited supply of chips from the same vendor, so it wouldn't be surprising if a lot of them scale back or switch elsewhere. If Apple also gets in the mix with iPad 2 etc, there could be real bottlenecks.

And it's key to remember that phones won't get the same love from developers, no matter what, since no single Android phone or tablet is going to have the penetration to really make it worth optimizing a game for. So I have no doubt that games on NGP will look better than anything on phones or tablets for a solid couple of years. It's a crazy piece of kit, even if final specs end up being cut by 10% or whatever. But it is NOT a PS3 in a box - PS3 has like 4x the geometry/pixel performance of NGP from what we can see. The PS3 comparison is just easy shorthand by games journalists - since NGP doesn't have CELL, it's much closer to a 360 (multi-core CPU and multi-core GPU) so ports from 360 are probably a lot easier than ports from PS3.

[ch1nchilla]

I still think 3G will be standard across the board, mostly because it costs less than $5/unit to implement and it would sharply divide the market and development for the potential 3G applications. I think we will see a difference in storage space between the two units, and maybe the cheaper one will just require you to sign up for a data plan or something like that. Ultimately I think this is all futile speculation until E3 rolls around.

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What we do know is that the 3DS is massively overpriced for a console with 2002 technology and 15 year old ports of games we've all played 5,000 times. Will it have better games in the future? Yes. Will it win in terms of overall sales? Yes. But it will be inarguable that the PSP2 doesn't offer a vastly superior gaming and user experience and that's why fanboys are clamoring with hypocritical, inconceivable arguments.

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Well, we've got a Sony rep on record already saying that there will be a model without 3G, so unless they change their minds, 3G won't be standard. 

Europe

[Shaka Khan]

ok, sorry, I did some double-checking with my buddy and no, the Tegra 2 stuff that is coming this year is not going to be NGP level. But very soon after, he thinks we'll be seeing stuff on that level in phones, and probably before that in tablets.

Wow, so I shat my pants for nothing? You owe me an apology, and a pair of pants.

[Cormacaroni]

Already said sorry! But the basic point stands, I think. We are not dealing with the future of mobile computing or graphics processing here, we are very much dealing with something that lots of others are working with right now. Anybody who wants to assemble this stuff and stick a label on it can do so.

[Shaka Khan]

Already said sorry! But the basic point stands, I think. We are not dealing with the future of mobile computing or graphics processing here, we are very much dealing with something that lots of others are working with right now. Anybody who wants to assemble this stuff and stick a label on it can do so.

True. For the first time in a long time Sony is releasing a hardware without any custom made parts or complicated architectures. One of the biggest advantages of this approach obviously, is that manufacturing costs will dramatically drop when demand/production of these parts kick into high gear around the time the next generation of smartphones hits the market.

[MCD]

Did they talk about PS1 and digital downloads compatibility?

I'm already fucked as a PSP Go user so the least I could ask for is for my downloaded games to work on this.

[ch1nchilla]

Europe

Hey, could be worse.  Could have been an SCEA rep.

SCEA President/CEO Jack Tretton: A WiFi-only version? "We haven't made any determination on models yet," which is infinitely more vague than the confirmation of non-3G SKUs from SCEE president Andrew House.

Europe

[Purple Filth]

Did they talk about PS1 and digital downloads compatibility?

I'm already fucked as a PSP Go user so the least I could ask for is for my downloaded games to work on this.

they all work

[MCD]

Consider this bought then.

[Purple Filth]

Europe

Hey, could be worse.  Could have been an SCEA rep.

SCEA President/CEO Jack Tretton: A WiFi-only version? "We haven't made any determination on models yet," which is infinitely more vague than the confirmation of non-3G SKUs from SCEE president Andrew House.

Europe

from Kaz

One of the major points from the interview is that Hirai acknowledged that there are plans for multiple versions of the hardware, including Wi-Fi only versions and 3G + Wi-Fi versions. Such hardware developments will be made on a region-by-region basis, he said.

[Himu]

good god release something lets me rip and transfer my umds to psp2 for fucks sake.

i don't want to rebuy my favorite psp games on psn. fuck. even games like KH: BBS aren't on psn. I DEMAND TACTICS OGRE: LUCT TO BE RELEASED ON PSN.

[Cormacaroni]

playing PSP games on a machine that actually had 2 analog sticks would make me hurl the damn thing out the window

[ch1nchilla]

Europe

Hey, could be worse.  Could have been an SCEA rep.

SCEA President/CEO Jack Tretton: A WiFi-only version? "We haven't made any determination on models yet," which is infinitely more vague than the confirmation of non-3G SKUs from SCEE president Andrew House.

Europe

from Kaz

One of the major points from the interview is that Hirai acknowledged that there are plans for multiple versions of the hardware, including Wi-Fi only versions and 3G + Wi-Fi versions. Such hardware developments will be made on a region-by-region basis, he said.

We'll see. Japan WILL only be 3G. Real talk.

[MCD]

good god release something lets me rip and transfer my umds to psp2 for fucks sake.

i don't want to rebuy my favorite psp games on psn. fuck. even games like KH: BBS aren't on psn. I DEMAND TACTICS OGRE: LUCT TO BE RELEASED ON PSN.

Square will be forced to release their shit on PSN now.

Or that what I hope will happen anyway.

[Cormacaroni]

why the hard-on for 3G, ch1n

[Himu]

i'm going psn only for now on and I fucking NEED Tactics Ogre: LUCT psp on psn.

[ch1nchilla]

why the hard-on for 3G, ch1n

Because I think it's essential for either all of them to have it or none for a cohesive user experience. With the iPad it wasn't such a big deal because they didn't sell the interactive community shit as such an integral part of the experience.

And honestly I think Japan is likely to be 3G only because it's such a compact nation and therefore everyone has good coverage all the time. US is notoriously spotty, and although it's still likely to be 3G-only there (and it should be), community features are a hard sell to somebody who lives in a town of 2,000 in Nevada or something. Europe is more dense so I think it may be 3G only as well.

[ch1nchilla]

SCEA President/CEO Jack Tretton: A WiFi-only version? "We haven't made any determination on models yet," which is infinitely more vague than the confirmation of non-3G SKUs from SCEE president Andrew House.

Europe

Jack Tretton, hunh?  That's this guy, right?

If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1200 bucks for it.

I think the PS3 is the Surf 'n Turf, the PS2 is your favorite burger restaurant... [Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops. And the [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable.

If you look at the adoption rate of the DS over the first 17 months, not only does it trail the PSP but it also trails their other platforms ... They're potentially losing some of their core audience and they're not really expanding beyond that.

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For the record, I completely agree with his console-restaurant analysis.

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[cool breeze]

playing PSP games on a machine that actually had 2 analog sticks would make me hurl the damn thing out the window

the one PSP game, Monster Hunter 3rd Portable Freedom G whatever, uses the right analog stick for camera.

It isn't explicitly said if this is a feature of the emulator* or a special version of Monster Hunter.  By my eye, it seemed like the camera movement was very digital, and since the d-pad was still mapped the camera, I believe it was just the d-pad mapped to the second stick.  I'm optimistic that it is a feature of the emulator, similar to how remote joy works.

It work for every game, but if that is the case, it would be pretty nice to just fiddle with button mappings to get games playing relatively smooth.  Syphon Filter has an option for analog aiming and moving with the face buttons.  Map face buttons to left stick and left analog to right analog, it should work well.

*on that, they mention that PSP games are emulated.  They didn't go to deep into it, other than showing the Monster Hunter demo and saying the games do look better on the NGP.

and yes, I really hope Sony has a way for us UMD people to get games on the NGP.  Won't happen, but it would be nice! I only have like five or six games on PSN that were either free or download only (like Thexder Neo)



just a random side thing because people are talking about 3DS in here to: I wonder how DS games on the 3DS will be.  Surprised that they haven't shown them off at all.  I hope it isn't like GBA on DS where they map the resolution 1:1 and you have large black bars around the picture.

[Cormacaroni]

why the hard-on for 3G, ch1n

Because I think it's essential for either all of them to have it or none for a cohesive user experience. With the iPad it wasn't such a big deal because they didn't sell the interactive community shit as such an integral part of the experience.

And honestly I think Japan is likely to be 3G only because it's such a compact nation and therefore everyone has good coverage all the time. US is notoriously spotty, and although it's still likely to be 3G-only there (and it should be), community features are a hard sell to somebody who lives in a town of 2,000 in Nevada or something. Europe is more dense so I think it may be 3G only as well.

don't really see that it matters how you connect. And if you can save $50 on the hardware or more by not buying a 3G plan, I know i'd like the option. That's what I did with both my iPad and Kindle, having invested in portable wi-fi already.  One contract for all your devices is the way to go!

[Purple Filth]

Europe

Hey, could be worse.  Could have been an SCEA rep.

SCEA President/CEO Jack Tretton: A WiFi-only version? "We haven't made any determination on models yet," which is infinitely more vague than the confirmation of non-3G SKUs from SCEE president Andrew House.

Europe

from Kaz

One of the major points from the interview is that Hirai acknowledged that there are plans for multiple versions of the hardware, including Wi-Fi only versions and 3G + Wi-Fi versions. Such hardware developments will be made on a region-by-region basis, he said.

We'll see. Japan WILL only be 3G. Real talk.

Well the rumor that started the whole 3g thing was NTT Docomo getting the contract for Japan so it looks like a lock.

[Eel O'Brian]

if i have to pay some sort of bullshit monthly 3G data fee because a bunch of people want to virtually hold hands and text chat and compare stupid fucking NGP trophies, this thing can go fuck itself

[Purple Filth]

if i have to pay some sort of bullshit monthly 3G data fee because a bunch of people want to virtually hold hands and text chat and compare stupid fucking NGP trophies, this thing can go fuck itself

its gonna have Wi-fi though.


they could make most of those features 3g exclusive

[Eel O'Brian]

if i have to pay a premium for a 3G module unless I get a data contract, likewise on it going somewhere and fucking itself

[maxy]

ok, sorry, I did some double-checking with my buddy and no, the Tegra 2 stuff that is coming this year is not going to be NGP level. But very soon after, he thinks we'll be seeing stuff on that level in phones, and probably before that in tablets.

Of course, all this hardware pipeline stuff could change, including Sony's. A shedload of manufacturers will be competing for a limited supply of chips from the same vendor, so it wouldn't be surprising if a lot of them scale back or switch elsewhere. If Apple also gets in the mix with iPad 2 etc, there could be real bottlenecks.

And it's key to remember that phones won't get the same love from developers, no matter what, since no single Android phone or tablet is going to have the penetration to really make it worth optimizing a game for. So I have no doubt that games on NGP will look better than anything on phones or tablets for a solid couple of years. It's a crazy piece of kit, even if final specs end up being cut by 10% or whatever. But it is NOT a PS3 in a box - PS3 has like 4x the geometry/pixel performance of NGP from what we can see. The PS3 comparison is just easy shorthand by games journalists - since NGP doesn't have CELL, it's much closer to a 360 (multi-core CPU and multi-core GPU) so ports from 360 are probably a lot easier than ports from PS3.

Some rumor says that one cpu core is reserved for OS and security and we don't know the clocks

A9 is an out of order cpu also,i think...that is nice

[Damian79]

I wonder how the ngp(aka psp2) will have 4 to 5 hours battery life when the 3ds with its weaker specs can only manage 5.  new kind of battery?

[Cormacaroni]

Sony has always had good battery tech but i wouldn't believe any rumors about battery life this early.

[maxy]

3D screen drains a lot,according to Nintendo
Small capacity battery
Two screens

[maxy]

something else about ngp(really hate this codename) vs phone tech

ngp quad core A9 has this also
http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/neon.php

also gpu is marked as +,presumably customized
it will get overrun in memory department quickly,though

Combine all that with "low level API"-Carmack...Rockstar

Not that i care about small screen graphics,PSP looks great to me but those things will help greatly in building bigger,dynamic,interactive worlds that are packed with tons of AI characters

[Shaka Khan]

Not that i care about small screen graphics,PSP looks great to me but those things will help greatly in building bigger,dynamic,interactive worlds that are packed with tons of AI characters

Sounds like it'll cost a lot of $$$ to make. Would someone PLEASE think of the helpless developers. /ninthing

[Purple Filth]

Not that i care about small screen graphics,PSP looks great to me but those things will help greatly in building bigger,dynamic,interactive worlds that are packed with tons of AI characters

Sounds like it'll cost a lot of $$$ to make. Would someone PLEASE think if the helpless developers. /ninthing

You know quirky, indy games that appear all the time on Nintendo consoles will be pushed into the background if everything is about big budget titles.

Games like Limbo, PB Winterbottom, Super Meat Boy, Trash Panic, Flower, Braid, Lara Croft Guardian of Light, Deathspank, Trials HD would have never seen the day of light  if not for Nintendo's foresight to limit the power of hardware. They would have simply never get released if their host platforms were too powerfull.

Nintendo letting small teams flourish

Sony and MS killing smaller games

you forgot /ninthing

[Shaka Khan]

I take some of what I said about the LiveArea UI back. I still hate the visual style, but I think the seamlessness and integration of different OS elements is admirable. For example when selecting Hot Shot Golf (here) you get treated to News, Events, Start Game, and HSG related store items in a nice customized store interface. It reminds of the 360, in a good way. They also briefly demonstrate what I'm assuming is the freeze/pause/save state feature, and it looks really slick. The game's activity log is a nice way of pushing social aspect they're striving for, but it looks like something I'm never gonna bother with.

Near doesn't look bad too, unfortunately I highly doubt it's gonna take off outside of Japan (even though it tracks the stats of those who arrived an hour before and an hour after you). I'm not very keen on anything location based, they're a waste of time imo, and I've yet to see something that convinces me otherwise.

And that is enough shilling for the day.

[Damian79]

3D screen drains a lot,according to Nintendo
Small capacity battery
Two screens

It isnt a small capacity battery(i belive its 1300 mAh) however and the DS also had 2 screens.

[naff]

why the hard-on for 3G, ch1n

Because I think it's essential for either all of them to have it or none for a cohesive user experience

Why would some having 3G have an adverse effect? 3G users can play on the go with wifi users, just they'll be able to do it whenever they want.

[Shaka Khan]

why the hard-on for 3G, ch1n

Because I think it's essential for either all of them to have it or none for a cohesive user experience

Why would some having 3G have an adverse effect? 3G users can play on the go with wifi users, just they'll be able to do it whenever they want.

3G is the most important part of of their location based entertainment strategy (something they're making a deal about), even if every NGP comes equipped with a GPS, without a data connection "Near" is rendered useless.

[naff]

Why would some having 3G have an adverse effect? 3G users can play on the go with wifi users, just they'll be able to do it whenever they want.

3G is the most important part of of their location based entertainment strategy (something they're making a deal about), even if every NGP comes equipped with a GPS, without a data connection "Near" is rendered useless.

Sorry I don't understand why? NEAR is for sharing information with other nearby NGP users right? There are better ways of connecting with nearby devices other than 3G, I assume the NGP will either automatically or manually create small ad-hoc networks with others in your vicinity.

[Shaka Khan]

What your describing works more like Nintendo's streetpass (using ad-hoc connectivity), but this is not how described Near. They gave the impression that the service's priority is  tracking the locations using GPS, then connect you to the service and track the stats of everyone in your vicinity en masse. As I've mentioned before, it'll even track people who came before and after you.

That last bit probably hints at how it may function in non-3G models: GPS is more than capable of tracking and storing the locations and timestamps, and in the presence of a wifi hotspot can sync all the information with the server and download all the location-related stats and activities: players, games, rankings, etc.

[naff]

There was no announcement for any kind of HDMI support from the handheld at the press event, and SCEE confirmed to us this morning that "NGP does not have a video output feature".

Crazy

[Himu]

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. PSP-2000 and up had video out. Why doesn't NGP? NGP is more suited to video out than PSP is.

[naff]

Sony scared the NGP's PS3-like powah  will lead to people only buying the NGP?

"New hardware is like new pussy, It's exciting at first but after you've experienced enough fresh vagina over the years -- while there's still always a bit of excitement when something new comes along -- you learn that sooner than later, the new and exciting becomes the standard and dependable and so it's best to just stay focused and [grateful] on what you've got at the moment and if you need to make a change, it'll just happen organically."

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. PSP-2000 and up had video out. Why doesn't NGP? NGP is more suited to video out than PSP is.

they didn't say it doesn't they just say it didn't have a dedicated one, so theoretically they could do one with the usb-mini (I think?) out port into like HDMI or w/e.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Jaffe pretending he ever had anything resembling game. pffft.

[cool breeze]

It's actually less suited to it.  For example, how would you play Little Deviants using a dual shock 3? or any game that involves the touch screen?  Touch screen, back touch screen, the augmented reality motion control stuff...you can't really replicate it.  It's pretty annoying. 

I'm sure Nintendo would have put out a Super DS for the Wii if they had a way to get over the two screens plus touch screen issue.  These portables are less like portable consoles since they're doing things consoles can't do.