PS VITA thread(embargo over,previews overload)

[naff]

It's actually less suited to it.....

I understand those points but what if Sony sold a wireless HDMI dongle to link your NGP and TV (like their wireless HDMI tv's that output 1080i) you use the NGP as the controller while watching your TV

[cool breeze]

now we know the main bullet point for NGP-2000

[naff]

[naff]

Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged. PSP-2000 and up had video out. Why doesn't NGP? NGP is more suited to video out than PSP is.

they didn't say it doesn't they just say it didn't have a dedicated one, so theoretically they could do one with the usb-mini (I think?) out port into like HDMI or w/e.

Definitely not USB mini. And the divets on the bottom of the port makes it look like a regular USB won't fit, some sort of proprietary connector? Most likely

Big image of the port

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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[maxy]

Andriasang

Sony's upcoming next generation portable system, codenamed NGP, does not have a UMD drive. So what happens to the PSP's backlog, which is still largely UMD-only? Gigazine quizzed Sony Computer Entertainment on the issue.

Sony first reiterated that it's currently working with third parties to release past UMD titles on the PlayStation Store. This, it should be noted, is actually something that's been going on since the PSP go's release. If you view our release calendar, particularly the recent releases category, you'll see downloadable versions of old PSP games pop up every now and then, usually without prior announcement.

Joining the downloadable re-releases, Sony told Gigazine that it has plans to release PSP games on NGP's new card-based format. This is something that was not mentioned at last week's press conference. Sony's statement did not elaborate.

Even with all the rerelease plans, Sony noted that due to rights issues, it's possible that some games will end up not being playable on NGP at all.

Cards are much more expensive than UMD and PSP software is lol...so the only other solution is


Remakes with native dual analog support

[cool breeze]

yeah, I just read and was about to post that lol.  So much for making the Japanese learn about digital downloads with Monster Hunter 3rd G Portable Freedom.


I would rebuy Peace Walker if it was at least 30fps with full dual analog controls 

[maxy]

cheapest route would be to just map buttons on second analog
not a particularly good thing

[Cormacaroni]

Funny how for all the furore about digital downloads not giving the user enough ownership and how you only really own something if you have it on disk etc, PSP owners with a UMD catalog are getting screwed here while it looks like digital dl folks are covered.

[Diunx]

Umd owners can just keep their psp if they really want to play those games.

[Cormacaroni]

Umd owners can just keep their psp if they really want to play those games.

Do I detect the blithe lack of concern of someone who doesn't actually own a PSP or any UMDs

[Diunx]

[Smooth Groove]

There was no announcement for any kind of HDMI support from the handheld at the press event, and SCEE confirmed to us this morning that "NGP does not have a video output feature".

<nintendo fan hat> LOL, no video out - another mistake for Sony. they haven't got a clue!</NFH>

<NFH+alt dimension where there IS video out>LOL, why would you buy an NPG to play games on TV?! Just get a PS3! They haven't got a clue!</NFH>

To be fair, Sony whores have been getting wet over the possibility of playing NGP games on a TV, which makes little sense since they're the same people who can't tolerate WII SD graphics. 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I think video out would be a great idea.  I'm sure Sony intends to release an expensive proprietary accessory that allows you to do that.  I think that is what they meant.

Although Sony has yet to reveal the price on the thing, I still stand by that a bare boned unit will come out at $299 and a premium pack for $349.  The downside for the NGP is that its manufacturer is Sony, a company who has fucked up the most in recent times.  As great as the NGP sounds, I remain skeptical overall for that very reason.

Sort of tough words considering that Sony lead the console space, with a wide margin, for two generations. The PS3 was the fuck up, but it is what it is, and even there, Sony has done a pretty serious turn-around since they got a product out there that could actually be sold.

At the right price and with the right attitude towards marketing and the market itself, which Sony has obviously been plenty capable of pulling off, there is no real reason to predict doom and gloom. Hell, look at Nintendo itself, a company that went from the Lulcube to absolute dominance.

Anyway, I'm not big on handhelds, but between the two, this thing sure as hell hits closer to home. Dual sticks.

Oh yeah, and a friend just told me that the new PSP is just like a PS3. Win.

edit: I thought it was a joke, but I should have known better. Some dudes are actually "concerned" that the power will be limiting.

The issue is that overall, Sony is 2 and 2.  With their two fuck ups being their two most recent products.  I believe people have every right to feel concerned that there is a Sony-esque fuck up in the works with the NGP.  Unless the management of the PSP and PS3 have been canned or resigned, if most of the current leadership is behind the NGP then I believe some skepticism should be normal.

[Smooth Groove]

Well PSP2 graphics are better then Wii?
 

For sure, but they are still running at a SD resolution which will look horrible when blown up on a HDTV, no matter what. 

[Bebpo]

Well PSP2 graphics are better then Wii?
 

For sure, but they are still running at a SD resolution which will look horrible when blown up on a HDTV, no matter what. 

Don't some PS3/X360 games run at the same resolution as PSP2?  Games like MGS4, Call of Duty, etc...?

Seems like it would still look ok like those games do.

[AdmiralViscen]

960x544 is something we've seen this gen, I think PGR3 runs at that res. It is also helped by being proper widescreen, which will guarantee better image quality than Wii.

Fuck, Gamecube has better image quality than Wii. Poor comparison

[maxy]

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[Bebpo]

The whole "X series [working title]" and the footage is just from a previous game in the series is lolz.

I wonder who will do Killzone PSP2.  If it's an FPS I can't see Guerrilla spending time on it over a PS3 one. 

[Shaka Khan]

I'm not excited about an FPS Killzone at all. They should have went and made Liberation 2.

[Brehvolution]

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Holy shit! This thing is going to be $500

[maxy]

It will then sell like shit and Sony will be forced to drop the price to $250 within 2 years.
Sounds good to me

[Eel O'Brian]

Naw, I feel confident they'll bring in a "budget" version at $299 (or maybe some weird price close enough to it, like $329 or something)

i want a good handheld fps, seeing as there hasn't been one since...ever?

[naff]

i want a good handheld fps, seeing as there hasn't been one since...ever?

Would a 3D Fallout count?

[Eel O'Brian]

i'd love one, too bad bethesda doesn't seem to give a shit about handhelds

[cool breeze]

out of all those games I want Gravity Daze the most

at least from the brief bit it showed, it looks like a mario galaxy/metal storm mess with gravity type game.

[Bebpo]

Hot Shots & Wipeout is all I need.

[Van Cruncheon]

jesus balls, 3ds utterly destroyed

[iconoclast]

Gravity Daze and Wipeout interest me the most. Don't really care about Killzone, Uncharted, and Resistance, but I'll play 'em when the price is right.

[cool breeze]

The whole "X series [working title]" and the footage is just from a previous game in the series is lolz.

I wonder who will do Killzone PSP2.  If it's an FPS I can't see Guerrilla spending time on it over a PS3 one. 

Don't know, but Sony Bend (Syphon Filter games, Resistance Retribution) are on Uncharted and Nihilistic (Starcraft Ghost, uh, I mean Playstation Move Heroes, Conan PS3/360, that EA Marvel fighting game from last gen) are on Resistance.

and there are some weird things in the video, like Killzone showing an "R1" prompt or the pool game showing "R2/L2" considering the controller only has two shoulder buttons and every PSP game has only said R/L, it's weird.

[Himu]

shit hot

[Smooth Groove]

I'm not even a weeaboo but I found Gravity Daze very interesting.  That's the kinda stuff I wanna see, not smaller versions of Sony's mildly popular franchises on the PS3.  I'll definitely play some Hot Shots as well since I was too LTTP for the last couple of games.  That grass in Hot Shots sure is pretty.  Reality Fighter looks great as well although the current gameplay looks janky. 

Overall, the trailer was a nice preview of the system's power.  My only question, as usual with Sony hype videos, is if it's real?

Well PSP2 graphics are better then Wii?
 

For sure, but they are still running at a SD resolution which will look horrible when blown up on a HDTV, no matter what. 

Don't some PS3/X360 games run at the same resolution as PSP2?  Games like MGS4, Call of Duty, etc...?

Seems like it would still look ok like those games do.

Almost, I think even the worst PS3/360 games run at slightly higher resolutions but more importantly, home consoles have AA and competent upscaling to hide the sub-HD resolutions.  PSP looked horrible even on a CRT because it didn't have a scaler.  I guess it all depends on how good the NGP can scale.  It shouldn't be too hard to incorporate scaling abilities but it's probably not high on Sony's priorities for the NGP. 

[Eel O'Brian]

reality fighter can be cool if they actually integrate the fighters into the real-life backgrounds instead of just making them an overlay

[Smooth Groove]

I don't have high hopes for RF's gameplay but it might have a character editor that's worth dicking around with.  Right now, I expect it to be no more than a recreation of Street Fighter with LBP. 

[Bebpo]

The whole "X series [working title]" and the footage is just from a previous game in the series is lolz.

I wonder who will do Killzone PSP2.  If it's an FPS I can't see Guerrilla spending time on it over a PS3 one. 

Don't know, but Sony Bend (Syphon Filter games, Resistance Retribution) are on Uncharted and Nihilistic (Starcraft Ghost, uh, I mean Playstation Move Heroes, Conan PS3/360, that EA Marvel fighting game from last gen) are on Resistance.

and there are some weird things in the video, like Killzone showing an "R1" prompt or the pool game showing "R2/L2" considering the controller only has two shoulder buttons and every PSP game has only said R/L, it's weird.

It seemed obvious to me from the second I saw the trailer reel that all they did for the reel was take a clip of a PS3 game and put [X game WORKING TITLE] and sell it as a psp2 game.  Outside of the actual REAL titles in there like Uncharted, Gravity Daze, Rolling Ball thingy.  And for Killzone I think they took PS3 game footage and then made a 3 second clip of touchpad laser to throw in the middle.

[Diunx]

Killzone and Resistance didn't look as good as the ps3 versions, they are probably target videos or something.

[Purple Filth]

The whole "X series [working title]" and the footage is just from a previous game in the series is lolz.

I wonder who will do Killzone PSP2.  If it's an FPS I can't see Guerrilla spending time on it over a PS3 one. 

Don't know, but Sony Bend (Syphon Filter games, Resistance Retribution) are on Uncharted and Nihilistic (Starcraft Ghost, uh, I mean Playstation Move Heroes, Conan PS3/360, that EA Marvel fighting game from last gen) are on Resistance.

and there are some weird things in the video, like Killzone showing an "R1" prompt or the pool game showing "R2/L2" considering the controller only has two shoulder buttons and every PSP game has only said R/L, it's weird.

It seemed obvious to me from the second I saw the trailer reel that all they did for the reel was take a clip of a PS3 game and put [X game WORKING TITLE] and sell it as a psp2 game.  Outside of the actual REAL titles in there like Uncharted, Gravity Daze, Rolling Ball thingy.  And for Killzone I think they took PS3 game footage and then made a 3 second clip of touchpad laser to throw in the middle.

The Killzone didn't look as good though

[Smooth Groove]

Killzone NGP looked substantially worse than the PS3 version.  It was lacking most of the post-processing effects.  But maybe that's all Sony did to make it look like a NGP title?

[Bebpo]

Ok, maybe I'm wrong.  I thought Resistance, LBP2, and Killzone all just looked like clips of the PS3 games.  LBP2 was definitely just levels from LBP2.

[cool breeze]

LBP2 and Wipeout were definitely PS3 games.  Like, I will fight Sony if they deny this (meet me somewhere, Kaz) but I don't think Resistance or Killzone were.  The hud and everything were different in Killzone, and Resistance was one of the only things they announced the developer for.

My favorite thing was the pool game.  They have the dude swipe up, but nothing happens on the screen, and it has PS3 buttons on it.

And Smart As   It only does walking around in the street with a $500 device waiting to get stabbed

[Shaka Khan]

i'd love one, too bad bethesda doesn't seem to give a shit about handhelds

They almost released an Elder Scrolls on the original PSP before it started tanking in sales, so you may never know.

[maxy]

Unless Bethesda creates handheld team,no chance...Id could do it,for iphone of course
Maybe with some moneyhatting it could be possible...Fallout 3 port,made by Id
But Id is slow as hell,maybe Obsidian

Hopefully Sony realizes that any game is better than no game at all.
I'm not a fan of ports,remakes unless they are really old games but if i had to choose

A)Zero Bethesda games
B)Fallout 3 port

B by far,it could carve some niche,sell something and future support would be there in one way or another
This device can now play them more or less properly and games won't be gimped like shit

Overall, the trailer was a nice preview of the system's power.  My only question, as usual with Sony hype videos, is if it's real?

As real as any Sony hype video
NGP reveal had only one purpose...reveal itself before 3DS launch and annoy hardcore nfans,they executed that brilliantly 
As far as the real life goes,they have barely anything working properly now...no name(ngp ),hardware is "prototype",everything in early stages,one year till launch
It kinda reminds me of 3DS E3 reveal

I don't think that the price will be revealed at E3(see 3DS)...unless the price is very close to 3DS

[Shaka Khan]

If the price is as attractive as they say from a consumer's viewpoint, E3 would be an excellent time to announce it. If it's not announced by then, then brace yourself for a shocker, or an inconvenient price at the very least.

[pilonv1]

I dont see the appeal of a game like Fallout or Elder Scrolls on a handheld like this. How long a commute do you have?

[Shaka Khan]

Why do people still ask that questions? RPG, in general, is one of the most (if not the most) popular genre on gaming handhelds.

(As if anyone on this board would take out any device that is not a smartphone/tablet in public to begin with lol).

[maxy]

If the price is as attractive as they say from a consumer's viewpoint, E3 would be an excellent time to announce the price. If it's not announced by then, then brace yourself for a shocker, or an inconvenient price at the very least.

I think that the device will have December launch in Japan,March 2012 West...they said something about Christmas release,worldwide launch was labeled a bit "difficult"
8-9 months(form E3 to march 2012) is a long time and once they announce the price,hard to go back

But yeah if the price is attractive it will be there

[BlueTsunami]

I dont see the appeal of a game like Fallout or Elder Scrolls on a handheld like this. How long a commute do you have?

A lot of people use their handhelds at home too. Sort of passive game playing while the TV is on, laying back on the couch (or in ones room in bed). If I had to choose between a full fledge Elder Scrolls on a console or a handheld, I'd definitely want it on the console but if I don't have to choose (they could provide both) I wouldn't mind having it on the handheld.

And if they do create a handheld game, I don't want it to be open world. I would want an underworld game (basically a dungeon romp). I think that style of game would work best on a hendheld.

[Cormacaroni]

All these questions about WHY we would want this thing assume that we're capable of being rational around shiny shiny new tech.

[Smooth Groove]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure NGP is the system I'm getting first, even though 3DS will probably have a funner lineup two years from now.  Aside from 3D, NGP's hardware is so much more intriguing. 

[Bebpo]

I don't even like Bethesda games, but I think they'd be perfect for a decent power handheld.  When you're on a plane or something and have hours to kill, just wandering around an environment like in most Bethesda games would take care of that.

[Smooth Groove]

I will never play Bethseda games on anything but a PC because they're never complete without mods. 

[Van Cruncheon]

All these questions about WHY we would want this thing assume that we're capable of being rational around shiny shiny new tech.

this

[Smooth Groove]

All these questions about WHY we would want this thing assume that we're capable of being rational around shiny shiny new tech.

this

Compared to the rest of your portable toys, NGP's pricetag ain't shit anyways. 

[Van Cruncheon]

i refuse to calibrate my expectations to assuage the limited lifestyles of filthy poors

[Cormacaroni]

i refuse to calibrate my expectations to assuage the limited lifestyles of filthy poors

this

[Great Rumbler]

Prole is a wealthy socialite. He'll buy the NGP and 3DS, then toss both into the garbage after a few weeks. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HE ROLLS.

[Dickie Dee]

Prole: "NGP, will it blend?"

[cool breeze]

Eurogamer has some new info: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-02-04-new-ngp-details-emerge-at-private-event

random bits:

Sony staff demoed a handful of upcoming first-party NGP titles, including Uncharted, Little Deviants and WipEout. The source said the latter was "the WipEout HD PS3 engine running on PS3 with no changes to the art platform. That means full resolution, full 60 frames per second. It looks exactly the same as it does on PS3 – all the shader effects are in there".

With Sony urging developers to create releases that work across PS3 and NGP, the implications of this are significant. "They want us to do cross-platform," said the source, explaining that the submission process has been streamlined, with only a single submission required for a title on PSN and NGP.

"Sony has made it completely developer-centric this time," the source added. "[The development kit] is really simple to plug in and use. It opens direct in Windows Explorer and you can see all systems on a network – so you could, for example, update the firmware of multiple NGPs at once.

"A PS3 dev station can take three hours to set-up. This looks like it will take under 20 mins. It just makes everything easier – they've really thought about it this time".

Elsewhere with the hardware, it was confirmed that NGP features three gyroscopes, compared with one in PS3's controller, allowing for more accurate movement. And the front and rear touch panels are both capable of six-point multi-touch.

And developers were told: "All games at launch available on flash [the physical storage medium] would also be on PSN."

and something about the different hardware sold

Sony has not yet dated the system beyond plans to begin rollout worldwide by the end of 2011. But during yesterday's presentation, Sony listed the Wi-Fi only edition of NGP as "2011", while the Wi-Fi plus 3G version was listed as "Holiday Season 2011", implying that the 3G-enabled console would not be available day one.

SCEE did not share any solid information on date or price, only adding that details would be revealed "very soon".

iPad did the same thing, right? 3G version came after the regular wi-fi version.

[maxy]

hmm
Like I said they can talk whatever they want now,but when deadline hits another song will be played.If they consider ngp as another new platform that will challenge PS360,it will bomb like crazy

Mass Effect 3(PC,360,PS3,NGP)=NGP version total flop 

[Eel O'Brian]

Yeah, 3G iPad came out about a month after the Wi-Fi model

[MCD]

Sony has made it completely developer-centric this time

Something is not right here...