PS VITA thread(embargo over,previews overload)

[maxy]

Sony has made it completely developer-centric this time

Something is not right here...

PS1 was pretty good,not like they could make anything better here
hopefully they don't turn it into portable PS3,like "every PS3 game playable on ngp"

name totally sucks

[Purple Filth]

Prole is a wealthy socialite. He'll buy the NGP and 3DS, then toss both into the garbage after a few weeks. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HE ROLLS.

didn't he swear up and down that he'll never buy an iPad or a PSP GO? 


Looks like Sony has really gone back to PS1 roots, should be interesting.

Sony has made it completely developer-centric this time

Something is not right here...

PS1 was pretty good,not like they could make anything better here
hopefully they don't turn it into portable PS3,like "every PS3 game playable on ngp"

name totally sucks

its claimed Sony doesn't want to either but we'll see.

However, Sony is also insisting that it "does not want exactly the same game" on NGP and PS3 – there "has to be a reason for the NGP title". "They want at least some kind of interactivity between the two versions with NGP-only extras," the source added.

hope GDC will give us some more info on this thhing

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I doubt NGP will be the final name.  If it is, I'd be shocked as this is the first post PS1 Sony gaming product that isn't called a PlayStation, which means that Sony realizes the PS name means little or nothing or worse, thinks it's a liability (like Nintendo with the Wii, Sega with the Dreamcast) with what they intend to do with the device (succeed).

Developer friendly will be great when Nintendo's thick skulled third party policy and ancient tech with gimmicks drives developers away en masse.  Of course, it all comes down to price and I hope the NGP will remain competitive.  If it prices itself out of the market like the PS3 did, then it is fucked.  Hopefully it isn't any more than $299.

[Bebpo]

Next Gen Playstation?

[Trent Dole]

PS 3.5

[Damian79]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32934/Survey_762_Percent_Of_Japanese_Core_Gamers_Want_NGP.php

Sony's PlayStation Portable enjoys wide adoption in Japan, and the country's core gamers seem overwhelmingly excited to trade up for a Next Generation Portable when the touch pad-equipped new hardware launches.

Japanese game magazine Famitsu polled its readers, and according to the results (translated by consumer weblog Kotaku) 76.2 percent of them said they want the NGP. Only 7.9 percent replied that they don't want the device, and 15.9 percent remain as yet undecided.

Although the Famitsu report seems to suggest that some gamers would like more details on the hardware, the graphical fidelity and twin analog sticks seem to be major selling points for the audience in Japan.

Interestingly, though, 23 percent of the respondents said they don't like the device's looks. 50 percent like it, while 22.6 are big fans of its aesthetics.

Just 3.9 percent of respondents had a strong negative reaction to the device's appearance. Although images of the NGP released so far show it in black, gamers said they would most like a white handheld.

Famitsu also asked its audience what they believe the device will cost; 42.5 percent of them expect it will cost less than A¥30,000 ($363), while 17 percent believe it will cost less than A¥25,000 ($303). Only about 5 percent of the audience picked out price points lower than that.

Notably, the strong yen means that the currency conversions wouldn't be indicative of U.S. pricing, if the Japanese gamers turn out to be right. 

 
I cant believe that they just polled "core gamers", of course they will buy it.

[Bebpo]

Famitsu polls: The only place where a #1 most wanted game is just as likely to sell 50k copies as 1 million.

[maxy]

At an investor Q&A earlier today, Ubisoft CEO, Yves Guillemot outlined the company’s portable games strategy for investors, where he revealed that Ubisoft’s primary focus will be to develop strong brands on high-end consoles, but that they want to be able to extend those franchises to portable machines.

"Our goal is to go with very strong brands on high-end machines, but in going to portable machines, to be able to port those games to all platforms that are available," Guillemot said to investors, revealing that PSP game, Assassin’s Creed: Bloodlines, has sold 500,000 units to date since its release two years ago, including PSP bundle sales.

Additionally, once Ubisoft make games for the Nintendo 3DS and NGP, they’d like to be able to further port those to other portable platforms at lower prices, Guillemot revealed.

“We are working to make sure that the games we create for portable machines can be adapted for those platforms, so that after making good revenue on 3DS or PSP2, we can go to a second phase, which is going at a lower price to other machines,” Guillemot said to investors.

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/02/14/this-is-ubisofts-portable-games-development-strategy/

I expect that  lots of pubs will follow this strategy
multiplatform ftw

[iconoclast]

has The Last Remnant (PS3) fallen out of the most wanted polls in Famitsu yet?

[maxy]

well,it didn't took long

Tegra 3 officially announced; in tablets by August 2011, smartphones by the end of 2011

Kal-El:

World's first mobile quad-core CPU
New 12-core NVIDIA GPU, with support for 3D stereo
Extreme HD – 2560 x 1600
5x Tegra 2

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/15/nvidia-announces-quad-core-kal-el-soc-promises-it-in-tablets-by/

[naff]

Tegra 3 officially announced; in tablets by August 2011, smartphones by the end of 2011
.....
Extreme HD – 2560 x 1600

[Eel O'Brian]

It really shouldn't be a surprise that a bunch of engineer nerds are naming their chips after comic book characters, I guess.  Clearly they're Marvel fans.

[tiesto]

Playing a fully featured Wipeout HD portably? Sign me the fuck up!

[Purple Filth]

It really shouldn't be a surprise that a bunch of engineer nerds are naming their chips after comic book characters, I guess.  Clearly they're Marvel fans.

 

[maxy]

Wired has another opinion article,Sony is now on the line

Sony’s Portable Game Strategy Lacks Vision

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/02/sony-playstation-tablet-xperia/



i like this

As the portable gaming market quickly becomes fragmented by all sorts of new devices, Sony’s strategy seems to be: Throw one of everything at the wall and see what sticks.

1994 was a confusing time. In the midst of all the turbulence of competing standards and marginally different models, one company released a single elegant piece of hardware. PlayStation had one function: Play games on CD. There was one model. Its simple, clear vision cut through all the confusion. It was the standard bearer for a new era of videogames.

[Shaka Khan]

Oh my, Kohler is drawing comparisons between the 3DO license and Playstation certified devices. Sonytards are gonna get pissed

[MyNameIsMethodis]

like anyones going to listen to what a racist says

[Smooth Groove]

What an idiot!

It's common knowledge that members of an ecosystem have various different needs. 

[Great Rumbler]

Kohler seems like a pretty smart guy, I'll continue listening to what he has to say.

[BlueTsunami]

If Kohler was in charge of the worlds technology we'd still be using flip phones with 30 character text limits. THIS DEVICE SHOULD BE USED FOR TALKING HERPA DURP.

[Smooth Groove]

Kohler clearly has no idea how an ecosystem functions. 

[maxy]

so ecosystem will now become another internet Sony meme,together with insider trading?

[Great Rumbler]

Kohler clearly has no idea how an ecosystem functions. 

But don't ecosystems work best when all the components in it have a specialized functions and traits?

[maxy]

ecosystems have food chains,who eats who in playstation ecosystem?

[Damian79]

Wired has another opinion article,Sony is now on the line

Sony’s Portable Game Strategy Lacks Vision

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/02/sony-playstation-tablet-xperia/



i like this

As the portable gaming market quickly becomes fragmented by all sorts of new devices, Sony’s strategy seems to be: Throw one of everything at the wall and see what sticks.

1994 was a confusing time. In the midst of all the turbulence of competing standards and marginally different models, one company released a single elegant piece of hardware. PlayStation had one function: Play games on CD. There was one model. Its simple, clear vision cut through all the confusion. It was the standard bearer for a new era of videogames.

HE is right, even if there is no tablet from Sony, the xperia and ngp will cannibalise from each other.

[maxy]

There is one thing that is making me really lol here

And then there was Sega, which didn’t even need all that competition because it was so great at competing with itself.

 

[Van Cruncheon]

kohler's a ninthing. i like him, but at the end of the day, he's prone to look for advantages for nintendo products and advertise flaws in nintendo's competition.

[Smooth Groove]

Kohler was also pretty down on the 3DS though,

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2011/01/nintendo-3ds-analysis/

[Damian79]

Kohler advertises Nintends flaws too.

EDIT: Lol i posted the same link.


EDIT2: Uh, that link to kohler beign down on the 3ds actually has kohler praising the 3ds.

[duckman2000]

I like the vision that involves pushing a shitload of features and power into a device.

[BlueTsunami]

EDIT2: Uh, that link to kohler beign down on the 3ds actually has kohler praising the 3ds.

He's actually schlobbing both Nintendos and Apple's nob

[Rman]

Kohler advertises Nintends flaws too.

EDIT: Lol i posted the same link.


EDIT2: Uh, that link to kohler beign down on the 3ds actually has kohler praising the 3ds.

Yeah, he was pretty critical of the 3DS given his history.

[maxy]

Me too,throw everything and see what sticks is this gen Sony,not surprised that they are doing this.It's certainly a valid strategy(if you have enough resources) but it very rarely works against established things.Move vs Wii vs Kinect is like a textbook example of that,ironically that may help Nintendo in deciding about their next gen console,Wii HD won't work.

The biggest problem in tons of devices strategy is consistency.Pricing on playstation suit must match the competition,no playstation tax,buttons tax,etc...

Nintendo handheld systems are always labeled as family friendly mass market devices...almost unbeatable enemy

[duckman2000]

Because we all know that Sony has traditionally been a one-market type of business.

[cool breeze]

Reading the first post in the gaf thread, it seems like he's confused.  Only two things are happening: the PSP2 and the Playstation Suite.

Playstation Suite is a games portal, like the app store, or I guess more like xna + kindle app, for all devices (initially Android and possibly others later).  Same games will work on PSP2, tablets and phones.  It's something that will appear on other non-Sony devices and the playstation certified thing is probably just a marketing thing.

Maybe it's just me, but Sony, a company that makes phones, cameras, tvs, home media players, alarm clocks, dildos, mp3 players, cd players, portable audio players, smart phones, android smart phones, headphones, dvd players, blu-ray players, beta players, oled tvs, hdtvs, 3d hdtvs, home audio, ebook readers, e-ink ebook readers, and video game systems also making a tablet is expected.  And similar to how they brand their smart phones with bravia and cybershot, they probably want a way to distinguish it from the pack because you know it won't be as good as the Motorola Xoom or Apple iPad.  But that doesn't mean it will have exclusive games.  Like the iPad, it will get games from the app store.  Kazunori Yamagushi won't make Gran Turismo Tablet for it, or Gran Turismo anything for another decade.

[maxy]

My point is just in software pricing,if Sony tries to do something like PSP minis vs iphone...this whole suit thing is going down like a rock
They can make 10 million devices if they want

[Van Cruncheon]

I like the vision that involves pushing a shitload of features and power into a device.

* Van Cruncheon likes this.

[cool breeze]

Apparently the PSP-3000 is getting a price drop this weekend to $130 down from $170.  Same price as the DS Lite (DSi is $150; DSXL is $170).

Sony is supposed to be showing the PSP2 again at GDC (starts on monday) and maybe they'll announce the price then.  There is a lot more room between the PSP price and whatever the PSP2 will sell for now.

[Shaka Khan]

Oh I wish, but I highly doubt the price would be announced at an expo that isn't geared towards consumers. I doesn't make sense.

That is unless the price is crazy low, which would be the perfect tool to use to steal Ninty's 3DS release thunder.

[maxy]

GDC stuff
some interesting things

Game Cards...2-4GB,contain writable memory(5-10%) for save data,patches,etc
Removable memory cards...large capacity,safe to say much larger than 4GB
Single submission for retail and download stuff
Both are obviously proprietary

CPU,GPU stuff
4 cpu cores,PowerVR GPU...known stuff
Dedicated hardware for media playback
Supports MSAA
One core hijacked by OS
Main memory capacity is closer to PS3 than PSP...PS3 main memory is 256MB

Lots of VRAM compared to PSP...some of that used only for buffers,not textures or models
Textures and Vertex data can live in main memory

Big AAA games
Can reuse lots of PS3/Xbox assets
Simplify models,shaders,textures
 

 

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

The amount of gimmicks crammed here is unbelievable.

[Shaka Khan]

The optimist in me wants to believe that the "closer to PS3 than PSP" memory is a reference to the VRAM which has already been rumored for to be lower than the PS3 (256 vs 128). If this thing isn't crammed with more than 256 RAM I'll be disappointed.

[maxy]

I don't know,they seem to have pretty clear distinction between main memory and vram.I think it's not finalized yet.

That doesn't bother me much,plenty of memory for gaming oriented device.
Some rumors say that considerable chunk is reserved for OS,though.

The only thing that really annoys me

One core hijacked by OS

Why can't Sony be more like MS :'(...360 is like 3% of one core,2% of another one

[AdmiralViscen]

I wonder how much cash they saved by having a 9th grader do those slides for them.

[Smooth Groove]

How big is one lot of memory?

It would make more sense to save money by having less Vram instead of less main memory.  Not only is Vram usually more expensive, the PSP2 also doesn't need as much Vram as consoles because it's rendering at a lower resolution on a much smaller screen. 

[maxy]

VRAM is rumored to be 128MB

[Bebpo]

I wonder how much cash they saved by having a 9th grader do those slides for them.

First thing I thought too.  Wtf at that English.

[AdmiralViscen]

I wonder how much cash they saved by having a 9th grader do those slides for them.

First thing I thought too.  Wtf at that English.

it seemed good at first but not too good later though

[naff]

The amount of gimmicks crammed here is unbelievable.

Should be added that these are some of the most uninspired implementations of said gimmicks they could have possibly dreamt up... 'congratulations, rubbing completed!'. It makes sense having a front facing touch screen for some things but combining the use of face buttons and front touch screen in game baffles me. It's awkward. It's an awesome handheld but Uncharted is such a lame game to be showing off on it, and it's shoehorned gimmickry is   .

[maxy]

Maybe they have nothing else to show or Uncharted will be "playable" with touch controls.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

playstation tablet

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[cool breeze]

yeah, that demo is super gimmicky but they did say it was a tech demo and meant to show off the various features.  For the final game I'd like the motion aiming/camera stuff to stay because that looks neat.  Also don't mind drawing a path for Drake to climb because the platforming in these games is already automatic and if I can save a few button presses, I'm for it.

[maxy]

Rumor

Sony E3 leak,

- No price cut announced at E3 yet. ( doesn t mean there won't be one this year ).
- 2 PS3 exclusive won't be presented at E3 but will be available before the end of the year in Europe.
- NGP plateform will have a long presentation with 7 first party titles. Price and date revealed.
- Warhawk sequel revealed before E3.
-Twisted metal, R3, Uncharted 3 et TLG will be playable.
- Polyphony is back...

I will try to be more precise next friday as we ll probably have the full schedule and planning. As for Polyphony, you can expect something cool.

Talking bout Kojima now I have a nice info concerning his " devil " project which has been found on the forum some times ago. And Metal Gear series is not dead.
His NGP project is not a game which has already been released before. Or not in the state he wanted it to be.

Last clue : Kojima made a survey concerning one of his big PSP project for another plateform release. ( Peace Walker )

PS : Mr XXX don't worry, Polyphony 's game will be out before March 2012, it s not a joke.

I don't have any clues about thirs party titles.

Oh yes, I forgot. You should know that there is a big battle concerning a third party dev title....you can guess the name of the devs , it s the first word you say on the phone when you speak ( Allo in french = Halo ). referring to Bungie.

Sony has an incredible set of titles in work.
I know at least 37 titles being in work for Sony plateforms.
The European event will be the main event of the titles which won't attend E3.

Polyphony would like to make Europe first as a privillege for its next title. Please don't underestimate their work even if they deceived some of you.


- Wipeout engine perfectly ported over NGP...and Yes it will be out on the first semester following NGP's release.
NGP official name will be revealed at E3 and EU event. internally we use NGP logos....I saw lots of NGP logos...But no idea if it s the official name.
We are making sure the price will be affordable for everybody. I saw price estimations which were reasonable. I cannot bemore precise than ubisoft studies on the matter.

-E3 will reveal titles which will be available till Christmas 2012. Santa Monica will be on board. But don't expect much more infos about the title.
- You haven't asked me but a lot of people are asking questions about Rockstar's title ( Codenamed : Agent ). We 'd like to spill more about it and show something but the conference will be full of first party titles already.
Another Big Rockstar project could even be released before it. Agent is embarassing a lot of people here.

I repeat, at the end of next week we will tell more. And better beginning of May we will see all the trailers and project you will see at E3. Media & press journalist will be able to attend a Pre E3 event so they can see 4 to 6 playable games at the show.

We' ve been shown U3 demo quickly in a little clip internally. And it was super cool. The playable scene was as surprising as the U2 sequence presented feaw years ago at E3. it's really stylish. Some people will say it s like U2.5 but I loved it.


This user in the past, leaked info E3 2009.

http://www.gamekult.com/forum/voirmessage.html?foid=17924548

http://www.gamekult.com/forum/voirmessage.html?foid=17924507

Polyphony 's game will be out before March 2012, it s not a joke.
Polyphony would like to make Europe first as a privillege for its next title. Please don't underestimate their work even if they deceived some of you..

Probably PSP2 GT5

NGP official name will be revealed at E3 and EU event. internally we use NGP logos....I saw lots of NGP logos...But no idea if it s the official name.

 

There should be a law against that monstrosity.

/thread title fixed accordingly

[pilonv1]

I've got no doubt it will be GT5 portable. Just like GT portable was announced for the PSP launch

[maxy]

Yeah,Europe first is a big hint.

Maybe they want to clear their name,people will be laughing at them,GT5 portable next year...yeah right

I shouldn't be too hard to port some portions of GT5 to PSP2

[T-Short]

That post seems to include both PS3 and NGP rumors though, did it specifically say that the Polyphony thing is for NGP?

[maxy]

That post seems to include both PS3 and NGP rumors though, did it specifically say that the Polyphony thing is for NGP?

No,but it's reasonable to expect some Polyphony announcement for PSP2.Western third party is not too enthusiastic about PSP2,"rumors" say something about PSP budgets for PSP2 games.

Europe first indicates something about racing.

It could go either way,but PS3 getting some new Polyphony racing game next year is highly unlikely.I could be wrong,maybe Polyphony will release some RPG or shooter...

So why do people call it NGP?

Sony calls it like that...for now

[Diunx]

Kaz living da life

[Raban]

If only Polyphony was secretly working on Tourist Trophy 2 :'(

[chronovore]

So why do people call it NGP?

It's short for "NGPOS"

[Van Cruncheon]

I love that "don't underestimate them" bit.  Let's see, their last two projects were a PS3 game they worked on for 5 years to a mediocre and unfinished result, and a PSP game they worked on for 5 years to a mediocre and unfinished result.  DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THESE GUYS!  NEXT TIME FOR SURE!

you'll be pissin' yer dockers after eatin' those words when they announce OMEGA BOOST 2: NEO BOOST EXCITE!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

released after 3 years to a mediocre and unfinished result :'(

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[TripleA]

http://www.jolt.co.uk/news/33379/ngp-camera-features-detailed/

In Uncharted, when a light source is required, pointing the outside camera at a nearby light or the sun will provide the necessary illumination.

That sounds terrible.

That isn't terrible, that is an inconvenience.

What is terrible is the fact that Uncharted on NGP exists.