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http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/10/29/john-carmack-discusses-rage-on-iphoneipadipod-touch/
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Our mobile development efforts at id took some twists and turns in the last year. The plan was always to do something RAGE-related on the iPhone/iPad/iPod touch next, but with all the big things going on at id, the mobile efforts weren’t front and center on the priority list. There had been a bit of background work going on, but it was only towards the end of July that I was able to sit down and write the core engine code that would drive the project.

I was excited about how well it turned out, and since this was right before QuakeCon, I broke with tradition and did a live technology demo during my keynote. In hindsight, I probably introduced it poorly. I said something like “Its RAGE. On the iPhone. At 60 frames a second.”  Some people took that to mean that the entire PC/console game experience was going to be on the iPhone, which is definitely not the case.

What I showed was a technology demo, written from scratch, but using the RAGE content creation pipeline and media. We do not have the full RAGE game running on iOS, and we do not plan to try. While it would (amazingly!) actually be possible to compile the full-blown PC/console RAGE game for an iPhone4 with some effort, it would be a hopelessly bad idea. Even the latest and greatest mobile devices are still a fraction of the power of a 360 or PS3, let alone a high end gaming PC, so none of the carefully made performance tradeoffs would be appropriate for the platform, to say nothing of the vast differences in controls.

What we do have is something unlike anything ever seen on the iOS platforms. It is glorious, and a lot of fun. Development has been proceeding at high intensity since QuakeCon, and we hope to have the app out by the end of November.

The technical decision to use our megatexture content creation pipeline for the game levels had consequences for its scope. The data required for the game is big. Really, really big. Seeing Myst do well on the iPhone with a 700 meg download gave me some confidence that users would still download huge apps, and that became the target size for our standard definition version, but the high definition version for iPad / iPhone 4 will be around twice that size. This is more like getting a movie than an app, so be prepared for a long download. Still, for perspective, the full scale RAGE game is around 20 gigs of data with JPEG-XR compression, so 0.7 gigs of non-transcoded data is obviously a tiny slice of it.

Since we weren’t going to be able to have lots of hugely expansive levels, we knew that there would be some disappointment if we went out at a high price point, no matter how good it looked. We have experimented with a range of price points on the iPhone titles so far, but we had avoided the very low end. We decided that this would be a good opportunity to try a  $0.99 SD / $1.99 HD price point.  We need to stay focused on not letting the project creep out of control, but I think people will be very happy with the value.

The little slice of RAGE that we decided to build the iPhone product around is “Mutant Bash TV”, a post apocalyptic combat game show in the RAGE wasteland. This is the perfect setup for a quintessential first person shooter game play experience — you pick your targets, aim your shots, time your reloads, dodge the bad guys, and try and make it through to the end of the level with a better score than last time. Beyond basic survival, there are pickups, head shots, and hit streak multipliers to add more options to the gameplay, and there is a broad range of skill levels available from keep-hitting-fire-and-you-should-make-it to almost-impossible.

A large goal of the project has been to make sure that the levels can be replayed many times. The key is making the gamplay itself the rewarding aspect, rather than story progression, character development, or any kind of surprises. Many of the elements that made Doom Resurrection good the first time you played it hurt the replayability, for instance. RAGE iOS is all action, all the time. I have played the game dozens of times, and testing it is still fun instead of a chore.


http://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/29204671827
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I am going to take a stab at bringing Rage up on Android soon, but we have NOT committed to a product.

http://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/29210929740
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Odds of a win7 phone port are very low due to no c++ support.
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Re: Carmack: iOS RAGE out this month for $.99 cents. Android maybe. WP7 NEVER.
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2010, 11:58:53 AM »
[youtube=560,345]52hMWMWKAMk[/youtube]
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Re: Carmack: iOS RAGE out this month for $.99 cents. Android maybe. WP7 NEVER.
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 12:07:48 PM »
carmack knows where this shit is heading, within five years what you carry in your pocket will also be what you hook up to the TV and use as a console/media center
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 12:50:37 PM »
Meh,who cares about Carmack anymore.Did he even release something(decent) this gen?
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No wonder that Zenimax bought Id...

But it will be interesting to see the reviews for this.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 01:01:25 PM »
carmack knows where this shit is heading, within five years what you carry in your pocket will also be what you hook up to the TV and use as a console/media center

When the iPhone comes with a controller [or keyboard and mouse], then I'll start to care.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2010, 01:04:54 PM »
i'd imagine bluetooth controllers would be the deal there
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 01:06:16 PM »
i'd imagine bluetooth controllers would be the deal there

A pocket console that could hook directly to your TV [or computer] with lots of built in harddrive space would be pretty cool. You could just drop it in your pocket and take it with you anywhere.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 02:57:19 PM »
haha this has better grafix than Fallout NV  :lol /   


probably runs better too :gloomy
 


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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 02:59:37 PM »
haha this has better grafix than Fallout NV  :lol /   


probably runs better too :gloomy

That's because Carmack's a genius. They ought to bring him in to program Fallout 4. By himself.
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Re: Carmack: iOS RAGE out this month for $.99 cents. Android maybe. WP7 NEVER.
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 03:00:24 PM »
Meh,who cares about Carmack anymore.Did he even release something(decent) this gen?
 :lol
No wonder that Zenimax bought Id...

But it will be interesting to see the reviews for this.

No, id is irrelevant these days. The 90s are long gone.
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 03:03:47 PM »
The future of gaming :american

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 05:56:00 PM »
:bow Carmack :bow2

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2010, 06:51:27 PM »
When the iPhone comes with a controller [or keyboard and mouse], then I'll start to care.

Since iOS 3 theres been Apple support for 3rd party controllers it's just nothings been made yet... But there's some in the works http://www.22moo.com.au/GameBone.html
The most promising isn't official though and requires jailbreak but it looks great.
http://icontrolpad.com/
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It's pretty amazing how solid the game looks. id tech 5 :bow2

No, id is irrelevant these days. The 90s are long gone.

Sure, but Carmack obviously still has a lot of technical clout and now that Zenimax is licensing id tech, they have great looking games coming out and Bethesda has publishing rights for all id tech 5 games they're going to become a whole lot more relevant again before the end of this gen.
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Re: Carmack: iOS RAGE out this month for $.99 cents. Android maybe. WP7 NEVER.
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2010, 07:22:35 PM »
They aren't licensing id tech 5 at all. It's remaining within Zenimax, so only id and Bethesda games can use it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2010, 08:48:44 PM »
I hope it replaces the awful Gamebryo engine.

Fallout 4 on idTech :o

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2010, 09:35:23 PM »
I dunno, the limitations of their engine appear to excuse allow less detailed asset creation on a large scale, so upgrading to a fantastic engine could take their art asset pipeline into an unsustainable region of the cost/benefit chart.

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2010, 09:47:35 PM »
I dunno, the limitations of their engine appear to excuse allow less detailed asset creation on a large scale, so upgrading to a fantastic engine could take their art asset pipeline into an unsustainable region of the cost/benefit chart.

Bethesda has already said that their next game will use Gamebryo, but I don't know what they're going to do after that.
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2010, 09:56:35 PM »
They aren't licensing id tech 5 at all. It's remaining within Zenimax, so only id and Bethesda games can use it.

Not exactly. There will be developers who enter publishing deals with Bethesda who can use the engine. Only Bethesda Softworks published games can use the engine, it's not limited to id and Bethesda games form what I've read. But yeah they're not licensing it per se.
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 03:56:58 AM »
Video preview

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2010/11/12/rage-mutant-bash-tv-preview?objectid=83316

On rails shooter...

looks ugly,maybe it's just a bad stream quality...or not

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2010, 04:04:41 AM »
carmack knows where this shit is heading, within five years what you carry in your pocket will also be what you hook up to the TV and use as a console/media center

:bow HANDHELD GAMING :bow2

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2010, 05:03:43 AM »
Video preview

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2010/11/12/rage-mutant-bash-tv-preview?objectid=83316

On rails shooter...

looks ugly,maybe it's just a bad stream quality...or not
I don't think that compressed video would make it look like a dreamcast game.  It doesn't even look like the same game as the tech demo great rumbler linked.

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2010, 10:46:17 AM »
...yes it does. Except it has a UI and enemies now.
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2010, 11:14:42 AM »
That earlier video was a tech demo, showing off what the engine was capable of. It wasn't an actual game.

This is an actual game.
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2010, 11:47:41 AM »
And that same level from the tech demo is part of the game.
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2010, 12:03:40 PM »
>WP7 NEVER

Welp, Carmack is done for.

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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2010, 02:31:34 PM »
Yes because WP7 is such a huge hit :rolleyes
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2010, 07:09:44 PM »
...yes it does. Except it has a UI and enemies now.
The tech demo might have looked better because of being an off-screen video but its texture resolution and lighting looked at least a generation better.

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« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2010, 09:28:39 AM »
Carmack tweet

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« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2010, 08:00:18 AM »
It's out. Normal Rage is 99 cents. Rage HD, which destroys the PS3, is $1.99.
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« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2010, 01:37:18 PM »
This is pretty cool. Nice game for 99 cents

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2010, 08:19:45 PM »
Is there any framerate difference between the HD version and normal version? The HD looks great.

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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2010, 09:31:57 PM »
haha this has better grafix than Fallout NV  :lol /  


probably runs better too :gloomy
 



Fallout 4 with the RAGE engine :drool
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2010, 11:54:15 PM »
has id made a good game in the past few years?
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2010, 11:55:54 PM »
Doom 3.