Anyone getting fooled into buying GT5?

[Bebpo]

That was a actually a good review.  Pretty fair and not too harsh. 

Hopefully after a few patches GT5 will be more of an 8/10 game than a 7/10 one.  But there's no way it'll be a great AAA 10/10 title ever.  And unless there's a DMC2->DMC3, I don't see GT6 being any better.


At this point if Forza can improve their lighting engine, their handling, and make the game less grindy boring as well as including more and better looking tracks, Forza 4 could be the king of sim racers like GT was during the PS2 era.  Forza 3 is a good step in the right direction and way better than Forza 1/2, but it still needs at least one more upgrade to be what GT was at its best.  I'd like to see Bizarre get picked up by MS and work with Turn 10 on Forza 4.  Adding things like Kudos combo chaining events and a varied single player mode like PGR would make it a much better game.

[Cormacaroni]

Agree that there is a ton of potential there but I seriously doubt that will ever happen. Just imagine how much they'd trip over each other.

[ManaByte]

Ouch. He said NFS Shift is better

[cool breeze]

That was a actually a good review.  Pretty fair and not too harsh. 

Hopefully after a few patches GT5 will be more of an 8/10 game than a 7/10 one.  But there's no way it'll be a great AAA 10/10 title ever.  And unless there's a DMC2->DMC3, I don't see GT6 being any better.


At this point if Forza can improve their lighting engine, their handling, and make the game less grindy boring as well as including more and better looking tracks, Forza 4 could be the king of sim racers like GT was during the PS2 era.  Forza 3 is a good step in the right direction and way better than Forza 1/2, but it still needs at least one more upgrade to be what GT was at its best.  I'd like to see Bizarre get picked up by MS and work with Turn 10 on Forza 4.  Adding things like Kudos combo chaining events and a varied single player mode like PGR would make it a much better game.

one really smart thing they did with Forza 3 is letting you enter drift mode anytime you want using the d-pad (iirc).  It wasn't at the level of PGR, but it was still cool to just pull it up and start getting points for drifting around.

If Bizarre does work with Turn 10 in this hypothetical situation, I think they need to help Turn 10 with adding a bit of style and class into their game.  Just compare the 458 Italia trailers from both PD and Turn10.  It's a minor thing and Forza 3 was a huge step up from Forza 2, but in general, the Forza games have a weird way of presenting cars.  Bizarre was pretty much amazing at making cars seem awesome, so yeah.  Though, that one Forza 3 video from last E3 (I think) with the choreographed drifting cars and all that was alright.  A bit tacky, but alright.

[Bebpo]

My main problem with F3 is the career mode was a grind.  Too many laps per race, too many events with the same tracks over and over before progressing to new ones, everything to plain and sterile.  Yeah, I think style is something that would help them.  They should split the game into 2 parts, arcade career and sim career.  Sim career can be how it is, but arcade career can be like an arcade racer built for the ADD crowd.  2-3 lap races, constant new track influx, lots of event types, and more flash.

[pilonv1]

My main problem with F3 is the career mode was a grind.  Too many laps per race, too many events with the same tracks over and over before progressing to new ones, everything to plain and sterile. 

I don't see how GT has ever been any different. If anything Forza 3's career is much better than Forza 2.

[T-Short]

Forza's problem is too few/shitty tracks, and that they are repeated WAY too much in the career. Out of the entire list, I only enjoy driving on two of them, three at a stretch.

[Cormacaroni]

Forza's problem is too few/shitty tracks, and that they are repeated WAY too much in the career. Out of the entire list, I only enjoy driving on two of them, three at a stretch.

Not gonna get solved 'til they get a bigger budget, or do way more outsourcing. Given their sales, they're likely gonna go the route of gradual accumulation over multiple games by reusing stuff we're bored with already. Annoying but I can't see a way around it.

[T-Short]

They should annihilate some of the incredibly bad tracks to make room for some less hateful stuff. All the fantasy tracks need to be shitbinned.

[Cormacaroni]

Not gonna get solved 'til they get a bigger budget, or do way more outsourcing. Given their sales, they're likely gonna go the route of gradual accumulation over multiple games by reusing stuff we're bored with already. Annoying but I can't see a way around it.

I thought it was disc space. Isn't there stuff in 1 and 2 that didn't even make it into 3?

Disk space may be a factor but it's mostly manhours, I bet. Plus, it can't be fun re-doing all that shit in a slightly different engine, no matter how much fans howl for inclusion of their faves. And they'd get killed in the reviews if say 90% of the tracks were retreads. Let's ask Che!

[chronovore]

I've heard that the tracks get a lot (a lotta lotta lot) of hand tuning. As in, the track gets completely made, and then they find spots where the framerate tanks, and go back and trim polygons until it works. And it was implied that this happens repeatedly during the dev process; apparently they've never heard of a finalized graphics budget.

[ManaByte]

GT5 outdone by NFS...again.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/shift-2-unleashed-preview/

I recently played around with the game, if all-too-briefly. Shift 2 is still months away from its planned release next spring, but the standout addition, a new "helmet cam" view, was fully functional -- and something I think racing fans will be wowed by -- in the preview build. Evolving from the driver's eye camera system in the first Shift, the new camera view not only realistically recreates the effects of g-forces, bumps, crashes, acceleration and braking from an in-car perspective, but now integrates the portions of the helmet that you'd see (if you were a real, careful race car driver) and, most importantly, the camera now looks into turns, just as drivers do in real life.

What sounds like a neat gimmick proved to be a potential game-changer during the two races I competed in. The helmet cam shifted to always focus on the apex of a turn as I went into it -- essentially, an automated head-tracking system!

[ferrarimanf355]

GT5 outdone by NFS...again.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/shift-2-unleashed-preview/

I recently played around with the game, if all-too-briefly. Shift 2 is still months away from its planned release next spring, but the standout addition, a new "helmet cam" view, was fully functional -- and something I think racing fans will be wowed by -- in the preview build. Evolving from the driver's eye camera system in the first Shift, the new camera view not only realistically recreates the effects of g-forces, bumps, crashes, acceleration and braking from an in-car perspective, but now integrates the portions of the helmet that you'd see (if you were a real, careful race car driver) and, most importantly, the camera now looks into turns, just as drivers do in real life.

What sounds like a neat gimmick proved to be a potential game-changer during the two races I competed in. The helmet cam shifted to always focus on the apex of a turn as I went into it -- essentially, an automated head-tracking system!

Slightly Mad Studios

[ManaByte]

GT5 outdone by NFS...again.

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/11/30/shift-2-unleashed-preview/

I recently played around with the game, if all-too-briefly. Shift 2 is still months away from its planned release next spring, but the standout addition, a new "helmet cam" view, was fully functional -- and something I think racing fans will be wowed by -- in the preview build. Evolving from the driver's eye camera system in the first Shift, the new camera view not only realistically recreates the effects of g-forces, bumps, crashes, acceleration and braking from an in-car perspective, but now integrates the portions of the helmet that you'd see (if you were a real, careful race car driver) and, most importantly, the camera now looks into turns, just as drivers do in real life.

What sounds like a neat gimmick proved to be a potential game-changer during the two races I competed in. The helmet cam shifted to always focus on the apex of a turn as I went into it -- essentially, an automated head-tracking system!

Slightly Mad Studios

[ferrarimanf355]

You know what, I don't like GT or Forza, but can we quit with the fucking picture trolling?  It seems that after 16 pages and TripleA leaving there seems to be a few people that take this game seriously and want to actually talk about it now that it is out and they are actually playing it.  So can you fucks please just leave?

No.  :usavich

[ferrarimanf355]

oddly enough I figured you'd be the one to want to you know, discuss racing games once you'd played them.

Too busy having fun in NFS Hot Pursuit to care about this.

[ManaByte]

Has Sony played GT5?

Sony has since clarified to IGN how damage works in the game. "Damage occurs to cars right from the beginning," Sony said in a statement, "it is not "unlocked."

[Sho Nuff]

Has Sony played GT5?

Sony has since clarified to IGN how damage works in the game. "Damage occurs to cars right from the beginning," Sony said in a statement, "it is not "unlocked."

 

When does the patch come out? It's the 1st here in the UK!

[Cormacaroni]

now that's damage control, harf

[Dickie Dee]

Might as well post this here - is it still hard to get the newer Forza 3 Ultimate Edition, nowhere seems to have it and it sounds like it's a "soft rollout" as the old stock clears and it will replace it as a platinum/best hits whatever MS calls that.

[maxy]

Sony has since clarified to IGN how damage works in the game. "Damage occurs to cars right from the beginning," Sony said in a statement, "it is not "unlocked."

Special Sony glasses are needed,one that are needed to play PS3 exclusives.

[ManaByte]

Might as well post this here - is it still hard to get the newer Forza 3 Ultimate Edition, nowhere seems to have it and it sounds like it's a "soft rollout" as the old stock clears and it will replace it as a platinum/best hits whatever MS calls that.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046CC4R0/

I'll have mine today.

[Diunx]

A true Sony moment

[T-Short]

Hehe. The Giantbomb quicklook is awesome

[Sho Nuff]

  1 hours 30 minutes!!!

This is going to be epic

[Great Rumbler]

"This is your My Home"

[maxy]

You people discovered that just now?
I watched it like 3 times already,never gets old
It's laughing and sleeping material at the same time 
Beginning is so awesome

They talk a lot of GT5 in podcast too

http://www.giantbomb.com/podcast/

[Third]

First week Japan sales are in: it's more than Forza 3's first NPD month. 

[ferrarimanf355]

First week Japan sales are in: it's more than Forza 3's first NPD month. 

Japanese people have no taste, that's why they keep buying this shit game and their shit Priuses.

[maxy]

First week Japan sales are in: it's more than Forza 3's first NPD month. 

200k less than GT4 launch,serious decline
 

[Diunx]

Well there were like ten million more ps2s when GT4 launched.

[maxy]

That is not my problem

Games in Japan are always frontloaded,see

{27/12/04 - 12/07/09} 0012. [PS2] Gran Turismo 4 (SCE) {28/12/04} - 663.543 / 1.066.749

/Nintendo "games" excluded

[Diunx]

Doesn't change that fact that there are less ps3s in consumers hands so obviously no game is gonna sell as well as it did on the ps2.

[maxy]

So in another words PS2 was full of fake fans.
True fans always follow the game

[Diunx]

Not everyone that buys something is a blind fanboy of that product, most people bought GT4 because it was the best racing sim for the system they owned not because it was called GT4.

[Sho Nuff]

The Quick Look is 

"The yellow driving line means you're pregnant"
"Nooooo I don't have time for this in my life"

"They're going to turn those rocks into A CAR"
"No, they're going to turn them into the piano that's playing right now"
"Then the piano player is going to go get INTO a car"
"And it's going to explode"

Holy shit 

[Mr. Gundam]

Red Box has this for rent. Now I can try it out for $2 and remember why I hate this series.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Red Box does game rentals now?!


I picked up NFS:HS is great just I wish you could pick one car and soup it up / decorate it. I ike that style of game and thats why Midnight Club :LA is my favorite driving game of all time.

[Raban]

Omfg the QuickLook

[Mr. Gundam]

Red Box does game rentals now?!

They've been doing game rentals for the past month or so, but not at all locations. $2 a night for select new release PS3, 360 and Wii games.

[bork]

Japanese people have no taste, that's why they keep buying this shit game and their shit Priuses.

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[pilonv1]

EDGE dropping truth bombs

http://www.next-gen.biz/features/gran-turismo-5-review

But this is a production that feels increasingly aged in the face of modern game design. The creeping and eventually overriding feeling is that this meticulously precise simulation, and its lovingly constructed catalogue of automotive history, deserved a little more game to come along for the ride. [7]

[ManaByte]

My Forza 3 Ultimate showed up.

GT5

[maxy]

Special Stage Route 7
Bumper：Avg:43.400fps Min-Max:35.5-53.5fps Tear:70.222%
Cockpit：Avg:37.483fps Min-Max:31.0-45.5fps Tear:60.500%

Chamonix
Bumper:Avg:52.733fps Min-Max:43.5-58.0fps Tear:84.306%
Cockpit:Avg:47.900fps Min-Max:40.0-54.5fps Tear:78.250%

London
Bumper:Avg:57.110fps Min-Max:48.5-60.0fps Tear:53.002%
Cockpit:Avg:48.400fps Min-Max:39.5-57.0fps Tear:78.385%

http://blog.livedoor.jp/ps360/archives/51645053.html

 
30 fps
84% tearing
For a GT game
 

Something went terribly wrong with this game at some point.

Polyphony Digital boss Kaz Yamauchi has admitted that Gran Turismo 5 occasionally dips below a 60FPS frame-rate - but said that his studio is "working towards perfecting" the game.

Kaz should write a book about GT5 development

[Herr Mafflard]

EDGE dropping truth bombs

http://www.next-gen.biz/features/gran-turismo-5-review

But this is a production that feels increasingly aged in the face of modern game design. The creeping and eventually overriding feeling is that this meticulously precise simulation, and its lovingly constructed catalogue of automotive history, deserved a little more game to come along for the ride. [7]

They also gave

Split/Second - 8
Blur - 8
ModNation Racers - 8
F1 2010 - 8
Forza 3 - 9
Need For Speed HP - 9   
 

 GT 5 bottom of the heap of racing games this year.

[Third]

lol gaming journalism.

GT5 will sell more copies than all of those games combined.

[Third]

More people will enjoy GT5 in the end. That's what counts. 

[Great Rumbler]

More people will be fooled into playing a boring game. That's what counts. 

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[Sho Nuff]

Evidently the bottom of some cars is from a die-cast AutoArt model, complete with Philips head screws

[Great Rumbler]

 

[maxy]

Are there any raw polygons with wheels in this game?
 

[Herr Mafflard]

Some choice quotes from the Gaf review thread

i realy cant believe how reviewers are being so unforgiving with this game, how can need for speed or forza or what ever be better than this game.

The only surprising thing is that it's not lower considering that it's Edge.

Yeah, I kinda expected a 6.

The game got so much better when I tricked myself into thinking it was made in 1 year. Try it.

I couldn't tell if the last guy was being serious or not.

[Great Rumbler]

"GT5 is pretty amazing considering that it was only developed in a year! That really explains why it feels really rough around the edges and has some technical issues. Those guys at PD are great though, cranking out something this good in such a short amount of time. Sony really should have given them another year or so to really polish it up. Luckily they'll be working on patches and the like so, really, it's like they're actually GETTING an extra year!"

[ferrarimanf355]

Japanese people have no taste, that's why they keep buying this shit game and their shit Priuses.

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[maxy]

The game got so much better when I tricked myself into thinking it was made in 1 year. Try it.

This is really good,have to write it in my troll handbook.

 

[Herr Mafflard]

nah,

this is the joke

[maxy]

Kaz:"I'm going on a world racing tour,hot girls and beautiful cars,mmmm.... "
weird silence....

Kaz:"When I come back I want to see 800 cars finished,otherwise there will be hell to pay...."

leaves

omg omg omg!!!! What are we going to do?His whip is so long and sharp,I can barely sit down since the last time  :'( :'(  :'(

Hey!! lets buy some toy cars and take pictures,he won't notice anyway

[iconoclast]

I like how sales only matter to Sony fans when it's in their favor.

[Sho Nuff]

[maxy]

some people on gaf are fuming

Question for Japan people

Is Japan having this much fun with GT5?