Author Topic: SSX - BEAT OUR SCORES! (Read 52067 times)

Himu · « **Reply #60 on:** December 13, 2010, 08:11:09 AM »

BEST SPORTS GAME

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Cormacaroni · « **Reply #61 on:** December 13, 2010, 08:25:53 AM »

you're not wrong.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #62 on:** December 13, 2010, 04:52:22 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 13, 2010, 12:29:17 AM

It's an easy comparison to make, and it also represents what "gamers" think is "ruining" gaming these days.

Yeah, but it's idiotic. The dude tricks out of a chopper (a chopper by the name of Elise and with mountains crossed out in classic downed foe style) onto an Himalayan line. I posted a real life extreme freeride video with an "epic" presentation that even shows a dude going Aaagh! while climbing, but people still bitch about it supposedly emulating modern war games. Talk about active ignorance. Somehow the goofy characters and hip soundtracks in previous games were shows of high satire, but this is bloody serious stuff for serious, not a shred of satire or trend self-awareness? Not liking it because it's too far detached from Tricky is one thing, but god damn it... this is about as close to COD as Grenade brand apparel is to military garbs.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #63 on:** December 13, 2010, 05:06:21 PM »

Keep in mind the people you're arguing against. The only sports that most videogaming nerds play are with their gamepads.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #64 on:** December 13, 2010, 05:51:26 PM »

Exactly. Plus they're the same people who crave innovation but as soon as you make the most minor change to a franchise they love they claim it's being ruined.

Himu · « **Reply #65 on:** December 13, 2010, 06:59:00 PM »

Oh please. How the hell is this "innovative" based off that teaser? If anything, putting out a bright and colorful SSX would be far more risky than what this is.

Well I'm so sorry SSX fans kinda wanted the same thing they got last gen except with hd graphics. It's not a unreasonable wish. In fact, it'd be fresh considering most racing games in recent years which are getting less and less arcade-y.

Sometimes people want "innovation", sometimes people just want the same thing but in a new pretty package. There's nothing wrong with that at all and since when do you have to be an expert to critique a sports game?

For the sake of being fair, the new SSX could very well be what SSX fans have been clamoring for but that teaser sure did a horrible job advocating as such. The people hating on the people who don't like this game's direction given the information obtained are just as bad as the people saying that EA has sold out or whatever. Is it unfathomable to expect and even want the same thing that you haven't gotten a new entry of since 2005? Please take your dicks out of your butt holes.

SSX fans want an arcade-y game that doesn't take itself seriously and has fun while doing it.

The teaser gives off a vibe of a game that does take itself seriously and lacks the fun and charm that SSX is known for.

You can argue that bubububut gameplay, which we haven't seen yet, but you know that's bullshit because when you're dealing with known franchises identity and brand recognition are a big part of the product and its identity. If I wanted a more realistic snowboard game I would have bought Amped and had been done with it.

That's really just it, and it's really that simple.

Himu · « **Reply #66 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:05:37 PM »

Note: the same people defending this move as of now are likely the same people who defend the new dmc game by ninja theory, aka people who settle for the lowest common denominator and often hypocrites. I'm pretty positive if Volition released a Saints Row 3 trailer with GTA4-like "haha it thinks it's a movie!" teaser, they'd be complaining. But noooo, this SSX is too "innoative" for SSX fans!

duckman2000 · « **Reply #67 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:12:37 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 13, 2010, 06:59:00 PM

Oh please. How the hell is this "innovative" based off that teaser? If anything, putting out a bright and colorful SSX would be far more risky than what this is.

Well I'm so sorry SSX fans kinda wanted the same thing they got last gen except with hd graphics. It's not a unreasonable wish. In fact, it'd be fresh considering most racing games in recent years which are getting less and less arcade-y.

Sometimes people want "innovation", sometimes people just want the same thing but in a new pretty package. There's nothing wrong with that at all and since when do you have to be an expert to critique a sports game?

For the sake of being fair, the new SSX could very well be what SSX fans have been clamoring for but that teaser sure did a horrible job advocating as such. The people hating on the people who don't like this game's direction given the information obtained are just as bad as the people saying that EA has sold out or whatever. Is it unfathomable to expect and even want the same thing that you haven't gotten a new entry of since 2005? Please take your dicks out of your butt holes.

SSX fans want an arcade-y game that doesn't take itself seriously and has fun while doing it.

The teaser gives off a vibe of a game that does take itself seriously and lacks the fun and charm that SSX is known for.

You can argue that bubububut gameplay, which we haven't seen yet, but you know that's bullshit because when you're dealing with known franchises identity and brand recognition are a big part of the product and its identity. If I wanted a more realistic snowboard game I would have bought Amped and had been done with it.

That's really just it, and it's really that simple.

I'm sorry that this is too kick ass for you, go play Tricky.

Himu · « **Reply #68 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:13:42 PM »

I was being facetious. I'm all for giving Amped a shake. What is it like?

duckman2000 · « **Reply #69 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:15:17 PM »

Neat, but tame. It's all about tricks and park rides.

Himu · « **Reply #70 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:19:01 PM »

Wingsuits and shit gives me hope. Jumping from a helicopter, deploying a wingsuit, and doing a 50000 spin trick and then landing on a 100 mile long rail attached to a bulletin board while the character I play as shouts,"kawaii desu!!!!" would be shit hot.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #71 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:21:07 PM »

Himuro is notorious for jumping the gun on something early.

As I've said before "skate controls" bothers me more than anything in that 50 second teaser.

Himu · « **Reply #72 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:23:26 PM »

Are skate controls confirmed?

Skate sucks.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #73 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:26:07 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 13, 2010, 07:23:26 PM

Are skate controls confirmed?

They have given no details about anything from what I've seen. I just don't like skate mentioned in any context with ssx. That's more my point. If I was going to be worried about something it would be something gameplay related first and foremost over an aesthetic thing.

But its too early based on just that teaser to feel strongly either way. It may or may not end up being a good ssx game but I'll wait for actual gameplay footage before I really wade into that argument.

Himu · « **Reply #74 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:27:44 PM »

I'm going to buy it anyways.

Bocsius · « **Reply #75 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:45:35 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 13, 2010, 05:51:26 PM

Exactly. Plus they're the same people who crave innovation but as soon as you make the most minor change to a franchise they love they claim it's being ruined.

I, for one, oppose innovation in games at every turn. That is to say, if you have a game series that is well-received and has a given gameplay formula, leave it well enough alone. You want to flip the script, then make a new series. Dadgummit.

Himu · « **Reply #76 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:45:46 PM »

From their facebook page:

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SSX Deadly Descents includes many of the features that has made SSX one of the most critically acclaimed videogame franchises of all time – that includes racing and trick elements. This is also an evolution on the franchise and it’s a game about survival against the treacherous elements of some of the world’s harshest mountain ranges. SSX will always be about snowboarding and style, but this game advances the franchise into a whole new world of adventure.

gameplay plz

Bocsius · « **Reply #77 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:48:19 PM »

That's the part I don't like, the whole survival against the elements angle. Too cold, too thin of air. Get the freak out of here. For crying out loud, you can even outfit your rider in a bikini in Amped, a far more sim-y series.

Himu · « **Reply #78 on:** December 13, 2010, 07:50:27 PM »

It depends on how survival is implemented.

If it's like SSX3 but taken further - as in, arcade-ish - I welcome it. If it's sim-ish I probably won't welcome it but I'm open-minded.

SSX3 had vast stretches of wilderness with collapsing caves and riding avalanches, and storms causing trees to be knocked down to be used as potential rails.

So if they take that and enhance it, I'm all for it. For me it wholly depends on arcade gameplay versus sim gameplay. I really don't want sim gameplay in this case, though I wouldn't mind it if it were good. It still wouldn't be ideal for me, though, because to me SSX is about arcade gameplay. Realism is fine so long as it's mixed with an arcade gameplay mode in mind (see SSX3).

Cormacaroni · « **Reply #79 on:** December 13, 2010, 09:33:08 PM »

I bet the whole thing will be one long CoD vehicle sequence, as you gun down the Hun while slowly proceeding downhill on rails. You'll have to manage the gun heat carefully to keep you warm, of course.

Bildi · « **Reply #80 on:** December 13, 2010, 09:35:01 PM »

I only just found out the news of a new SSX and watched the trailer. I am filled with massive excitement and massive trepidation simultaneously.

SSX is a classic because of the whole package, and once you start losing elements of the package it loses some serious shine as we saw post-SSX3. Aside from the gameplay, the insane characters, outfits, voices, music, audio and visual effects, fireworks etc... were all central to SSX/Tricky/3. If they're going to remove any of these things they need to have something pretty amazing to replace them.

Just have to wait and see I guess.

Bildi · « **Reply #81 on:** December 13, 2010, 10:05:20 PM »

FWIW people may like to give EA some feedback on their forum:

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/forums/show/3955.page

I just typed up a suitably nerdy suggestion list which will obviously have no effect on the final game, but made me feel better.

Bildi · « **Reply #82 on:** December 13, 2010, 10:31:07 PM »

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Pretty neat soundtrack change, especially the end.

Himu · « **Reply #83 on:** December 13, 2010, 10:55:22 PM »

The thing about that trailer that gets me the most is the military hours and shit

Bildi · « **Reply #84 on:** December 14, 2010, 12:39:35 AM »

While it is just a trailer, EA obviously knew the first impression it would create and were happy with it. Which doesn't bode well.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #85 on:** December 14, 2010, 12:47:25 AM »

bildi is back

etiolate · « **Reply #86 on:** December 14, 2010, 01:10:33 AM »

wow that looks all sorts of wrong

It looks like someone had a James Bond ski chase scene idea for a videogame and EA decided to slap the SSX nametag onto the game in an effort to sucker in an established audience for a new IP that only slightly resembles it.

chronovore · « **Reply #87 on:** December 14, 2010, 10:03:54 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 13, 2010, 05:51:26 PM

Exactly. Plus they're the same people who crave innovation but as soon as you make the most minor change to a franchise they love they claim it's being ruined.

This, this, one hundred times: this.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #88 on:** December 14, 2010, 04:31:56 PM »

Quote from: Cormacaroni on December 13, 2010, 09:33:08 PM

I bet the whole thing will be one long CoD vehicle sequence, as you gun down the Hun while slowly proceeding downhill on rails. You'll have to manage the gun heat carefully to keep you warm, of course.

I would play this

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #89 on:** December 15, 2010, 06:52:04 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 13, 2010, 05:51:26 PM

Exactly. Plus they're the same people who crave innovation but as soon as you make the most minor change to a franchise they love they claim it's being ruined.

LOL, agreed.

Bildi · « **Reply #90 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:13:33 AM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on December 14, 2010, 12:47:25 AM

bildi is back

I never left! I just don't have much time to post.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #91 on:** December 15, 2010, 04:33:57 PM »

Quote from: Bocsius on December 13, 2010, 07:48:19 PM

That's the part I don't like, the whole survival against the elements angle. Too cold, too thin of air. Get the freak out of here. For crying out loud, you can even outfit your rider in a bikini in Amped, a far more sim-y series.

If it's basically another challenge, then that's fine. The main peaks in SSX3 were littered with chasms and bits of the environment collapsing, so if they can somehow merge that with the insanity of real alpine terrain (no loops, but plenty of mindbending stuff) then that should be hot stuff. I liked the harsher sections of SSX3, I like backcountry snowboarding, and I like action movies. Feels like win.

Himu · « **Reply #92 on:** December 15, 2010, 05:07:33 PM »

I loved those sections of SSX3.

But if this new game is just the mountain it'd probably get boring. I like how in SSX3 you go from backcountry and huge mountain ranges to like, futuristic looking cities out of nowhere.

It offered a visual variety that was really interesting. If the new SSX is just the mountain that'd be disappointing.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #93 on:** December 15, 2010, 06:27:18 PM »

I always disliked the stupid urban areas anyway. And Tokyo Megaplex.

Himu · « **Reply #94 on:** December 15, 2010, 06:32:25 PM »

Bildi · « **Reply #95 on:** December 15, 2010, 06:51:53 PM »

Happiness is one of my favourite SSX3 courses, I loved going down it just for relaxation. So having tons of backcountry in Double D doesn't mean automatic failure.

What will matter is how the whole package comes together. After all, On Tour had lots of SSX elements but most fans thought it was garbage.

Himu · « **Reply #96 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:03:46 PM »

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gravitude, dude.

So many pathways and secret paths and ways to play these levels on peak 3. I especially love gravitude's tight, sharp corners. Goddamn.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #97 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:07:43 PM »

I hope hope they keep the legacy characters in the background, forgot how annoying they were. The kid picked Kaori as her character, urgh.

Himu · « **Reply #98 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:09:10 PM »

Kaori rocks. There's nothing like tearing up the slopes while hearing kawaii desu.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #99 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:10:55 PM »

Yeah, I hope they really are planning to shit all over you fans of all things bad about SSX.

Himu · « **Reply #100 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:13:39 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #101 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »

Intimidator is the best track on SSX3. It has it all: the fight against nature, the incredible sense of speed, the crazy tight turns, the multiple branching paths...

Best part is when you leave the Japanese village and you have to carve the tightest corner ever around this big ass hole, and if you fall in the hole you lose your place. Best part. BEST PART.

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smh at this dude skipping all the best parts

Bildi · « **Reply #102 on:** December 15, 2010, 07:55:22 PM »

Quote from: duckman2000 on December 15, 2010, 07:10:55 PM

Yeah, I hope they really are planning to shit all over you fans of all things bad about SSX.

They did that with the last two games. Nothing new for us. :'(

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Kick Doubt was a major love-hate for me. Great track, but all I really remember is the endless runs on it to try and get a platinum show-off medal. I'm not sure I ever did.

Himu · « **Reply #103 on:** December 15, 2010, 08:25:34 PM »

What's your opinion of Tricky, Bildi? I like it a lot, but SSX3 clicked with me more. I don't know why. I think they compliment each other. Like, there's no track like Tokyo Megaplex in SSX3, but I don't think there's anything as good as Intimidator in Tricky.

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I think it comes down to taste. Tricky is more whacky but doesn't exactly feature tighter levels, whereas SSX3 features more polish and tighter level design but less whacky.

I dunno. My Sega arcade roots make me like SSX3 more. It feels more focused for some reason.

Bildi · « **Reply #104 on:** December 15, 2010, 08:49:54 PM »

I adore Tricky, but SSX3 was my fave as well. I'm not entirely sure why either. For me the games were pretty even in terms of fun within the actual events, so I have a feeling it was the whole Big Mountain atmosphere that pushed SSX3 to a slightly higher level. The game felt completely and perfectly fleshed out, polished and cohesive.

The SSX3 intro always got me really amped up - I'd watch it almost every time I played. It probably sums up why I like SSX3 more.

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That other game had a pretty cool intro though.

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I'm trying to remember if SSX3 was actually better when you were doing events. Staying on rails was much easier which was good. SSX3 had the board presses, but I didn't like or hate them, it was just different.

Could you push people over in SSX3?

Himu · « **Reply #105 on:** December 15, 2010, 08:53:48 PM »

Yeah, you could punch people in SSX3.

Read this on Mercury City:

Both version of the game are already on amazon.

PS3 - http://www.amazon.com/SSX-Deadly-Descents-Playstation-3/dp/B002I0K5W8/
XBox 360 - http://www.amazon.com/SSX-Deadly-Descents-Xbox-360/dp/B003O6C9LK/

Placeholder date is February 2012

nooooooooooooooo

Bildi · « **Reply #106 on:** December 15, 2010, 09:05:41 PM »

At least that gives more time to fix it if need be...

I hope they release the first three games again though. I've wanted to play the games many times in recent years but being in PAL land I can only get the noticeably slower 50hz versions for either my PAL 360 or Wii. I have a region-free PS2, but the slightly longer load times are a bit of a bummer.

I have 60hz Gamecube versions of SSX3 and Tricky but my mum has my NTSC Gamecube. I'm going to have to see if she plays in anymore.

Himu · « **Reply #107 on:** December 15, 2010, 09:10:01 PM »

I have SSX Tricky and 3 for xbox.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #108 on:** December 16, 2010, 03:26:40 PM »

I hope they put some challenge into opening up new peaks and runs this time around.

Bildi · « **Reply #109 on:** December 16, 2010, 05:34:17 PM »

Desperate for an SSX fix, I put on Blur last night figuring at least it has SSX3 tracks and bitchin' music.

God I hate fucking waggle more than ever. I just want to relax in a mostly immobile fashion on my couch while riding Happiness, surely that's not too much to ask.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #110 on:** December 16, 2010, 05:36:57 PM »

Just completed an all peak freeride, game is still damned neat. But yeah, opening up the peaks was never anywhere near as satisfying as ranking up and opening up new runs in Amped 2.

Bildi · « **Reply #111 on:** December 16, 2010, 05:40:47 PM »

If I remember right, opening the peaks happens pretty fast?

I tried to do an all peak freeride in Blur, but I don't know the layout so kept running into dead ends and crappy On Tour tree-fest tracks.

Screw this, I'm getting my copy of SSX3 back this weekend.

Himu · « **Reply #112 on:** December 16, 2010, 07:48:34 PM »

Quote from: Bildi on December 16, 2010, 05:34:17 PM

Desperate for an SSX fix, I put on Blur last night figuring at least it has SSX3 tracks and bitchin' music.

God I hate fucking waggle more than ever. I just want to relax in a mostly immobile fashion on my couch while riding Happiness, surely that's not too much to ask.

I should get this. I rented it when it came out and the motion controls pissed me off but I'm in such a big mood for SSX right now that I'm willing to bite.

Quote from: duckman2000 on December 16, 2010, 03:26:40 PM

I hope they put some challenge into opening up new peaks and runs this time around.

Are there even peaks? The description makes it sound it likes SSX1/Tricky style in that you pick levels from a menu. After all, you visit mountains from all over the world. I wouldn't be surprised if there are no open levels or peaks but that's just a theory.

Anyways, played some Tricky today while baked.

duckman2000 · « **Reply #113 on:** December 16, 2010, 08:11:16 PM »

... well, mountains have peaks.

Either way, it was much too easy in SSX 3. I doubt they would want it to be liked Amped 2, but some middle ground would be sweet. Make it challenging, so that you feel that you've earned the reward of a brand new challenge.

Himu · « **Reply #114 on:** December 16, 2010, 08:49:19 PM »

"Sometimes, it's so eassssy being me."

EmCeeGrammar · « **Reply #115 on:** December 16, 2010, 09:00:37 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 16, 2010, 07:48:34 PM

I should get this. I rented it when it came out and the motion controls pissed me off but I'm in such a big mood for SSX right now that I'm willing to bite.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The controls are really bad. I'm the biggest wii apologist here and I'm telling you to stay away. You can pick up the shaun white snowboarding games for cheap and the motion controls are genuinely fun. Its not as over the top as the SSX series, but its still lighthearted in tone, albeit with Wendy's, Skittles, and Red Bull advertisements plastered everywhere.

Himu · « **Reply #116 on:** December 16, 2010, 09:22:18 PM »

I already played it. I know how bad it is, I'm just hoping it's not as bad as I remember!

And playing Tricky I just remember how much more I prefer SSX 3.

It feels like Tricky is mostly a display for tricks and ubers and shit rather than great track design.

Bildi · « **Reply #117 on:** December 16, 2010, 09:33:16 PM »

Damn, I typed this huge post, and then saw you've already played Blur.

What the hell, here it is anyway:

I have to disagree with MC here (although I haven't played Shaun White). If you get your expectations in check prior to Blur, it's bearable and you can squeeze a bit of the SSX feeling out of it. Expecations in check means:

- the characters a redesigned and there are no voices. So it's basically On Tour.
- the controls suck. For me, the Ubers aren't the worst thing, the fact you have to press a button on the nunchuk and tilt it for tricks is the worst thing along with flicking the Wiimote for flips and spins. I just hate sudden waggle movements much more than the slower "drawing" movements of Ubers. But for Ubers you need to realise that it will take some work to get the "knack" of them, and you will most likely only use 2 or 3 ubers regularly because you can't get the rest of the shapes to register consistently (I use the heart shape and loop and that's basically it).
- there are some On Tour courses. I hate them since they're filled with trees.
- I think they also added more trees to the SSX3 courses. Morons.

Pluses:
- some SSX3 tracks.
- DJ Atomika
- the music is dynamic (changes with your trick meter) and helps cover up for the lack of voices. I also really love the JunkieXL soundtrack, but that is a matter of preference.
- it looks nice, on par with the earlier games (in terms of courses, not characters)
- you press A to right your boarder after tricking. This was necessitated because you can't stop spins due to the waggle controls, but a side-benefit is I think you can actually interrupt an uber if need be. Pressing A does take some getting used to.

If you are buying Blur for a serious SSX experience (in particular trying to get high showoff scores) it'll be frustrating I think. If you're buying it just to zone out on some great SSX courses, it can get the job done IF you realise the shortcomings and avoid those. As a massive SSX fan I put it WAY above On Tour (which had absolutely zero redeeming qualities) because of the SSX3 tracks and dynamic music.

I even found On Tour controls perhaps worse because of the damn trick stick. You'd be happily doing a board press with the right analog, then run over a tiny hill and pull off a fucking Uber because you've got the right analog stick pressed in a direction. Then you'd crash.

Himu · « **Reply #118 on:** December 16, 2010, 09:50:10 PM »

SSX Blur was painful when I first played it. I remember having to DRAW A HEART SHAPE with the wiimote to pull off an uber. What a load of shit.

Smooth Groove · « **Reply #119 on:** December 16, 2010, 09:52:24 PM »

Imo, SSX always played best on the PS2 even if it did look better on the other systems. The next game might be different though, since the 360 controller now has the best shoulder buttons layout.

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Author Topic: SSX - BEAT OUR SCORES! (Read 52067 times)