Author Topic: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona (Read 14472 times)

Phoenix Dark · « **on:** January 08, 2011, 01:59:42 PM »

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(CNN) -- At least 12 people were shot at a Tuscon grocery store on Saturday, and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was among them, a Democratic party source told CNN.

Giffords was holding a constituent meeting at the grocery store when the shooting occurred, according to a schedule posted on her website.

Neither Giffords' condition nor that of any of the other wounded was immediately available. The Democratic source described the situation as "pretty serious."

The shooting occurred at a Safeway shortly after 10 a.m. MST, according to sheriff's spokesman Deputy Jason Ogan.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/08/arizona.shooting/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

Point black in the head, holy fuck. I hope she's alright $:-\$

also

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:08:16 PM »

NPR reporting she has died

edit: Arizona sheriff saying she's alive in critical condition and undergoing surgery

Diunx · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:25:17 PM »

Who did it? was it a frijolelo?

Mupepe · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:27:05 PM »

jesus. wtf

diunx, why would it be a beaner? she was in favor of immigration reform AFAIK

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:31:05 PM »

Odds are pretty good it was some disgruntled Tea Party dude. $:-\$

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:34:05 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2011, 02:31:05 PM

Odds are pretty good it was some disgruntled Tea Party dude. $:-\$

Generally speaking its probably either a crazy person or a crazy person who belongs to the "evil government my taxes is too high crowd!"

Robo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:35:39 PM »

NPR was reporting people as saying the shooter was firing indiscriminately. They're now reporting that six other people were killed as well.

Diunx · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:36:11 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on January 08, 2011, 02:27:05 PM

jesus. wtf

diunx, why would it be a beaner? she was in favor of immigration reform AFAIK

Yeah I just read she was a democrat.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:40:21 PM »

Diunx · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:41:26 PM »

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:49:00 PM »

Quote from: Robo on January 08, 2011, 02:35:39 PM

NPR was reporting people as saying the shooter was firing indiscriminately. They're now reporting that six other people were killed as well.

$:-\$

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2011, 03:48:21 PM »

Fed judge was also killed at event. He received death threats over immigration rulings
http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll

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Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:08:42 PM »

Looks like she's gonna pull through. Apparently a nine year old kid is among the dead :sad

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:16:54 PM »

Fucking redneck cowards. I can't wait to hear the vile shit that leaks from the anus-mouth of Rush Limbaugh about this

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:20:22 PM »

his youtube

Dude is fucking crazy, and seems like he knew he was going to die. Paranoia over big government, religion, calls for gold and silver currency.

Don Flamenco · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:31:42 PM »

this Palin connection is fucked up. all her verbs are about targeting, shooting, reloading etc. what in the flying fuck!

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:37:13 PM »

Himu · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:37:53 PM »

Holy shit. These red necks are fucking CRAZY.

Tauntaun · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:41:15 PM »

I can attest, Arizona is crazy.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:42:16 PM »

Arizona is a pretty strange place. No one is from there, everyone moves there and it's nothing but incredibly disturbing sprawl.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #20 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:42:57 PM »

He lists Ayn Rand, the Communist manifesto, and Mein Kamf as favorites

Mandark · « **Reply #21 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:43:42 PM »

As little sympathy as I have for Sarah Palin, I think we should be careful about blaming politicians for the acts of the mentally disturbed.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #22 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:43:59 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2011, 04:42:57 PM

He lists Ayn Rand, the Communist manifesto, and Mein Kamf as favorites

Yeah, I saw that. Sounds like someone with mental issues, honestly.

Mandark · « **Reply #23 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:45:22 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2011, 04:42:57 PM

He lists Ayn Rand, the Communist manifesto, and Mein Kamf as favorites

To Kill A Mocking Bird was in there too.

Himu · « **Reply #24 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:46:06 PM »

lmao PD owned

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #25 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:48:25 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on January 08, 2011, 04:43:42 PM

As little sympathy as I have for Sarah Palin, I think we should be careful about blaming politicians for the acts of the mentally disturbed.

I agree, but putting up things like that sometimes encourages the mentally ill.

Himu · « **Reply #26 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:48:44 PM »

What is her obsession with guns? Hell, I don't understand the right's obsession with guns period.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #27 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:48:48 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 08, 2011, 04:46:06 PM

lmao PD owned

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Never suggested it was Palin's "fault." The words of political figures matter, and violent imagery and rhetoric from them can be dangerous. Gabrielle and the fed judge have been targets for some time

Himu · « **Reply #28 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:50:20 PM »

What kind of politicians uses such terminology in a public setting anyways? The fact that she does, gets away with it, and still has a following is truly frightening.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #29 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:51:03 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 08, 2011, 04:48:44 PM

What is her obsession with guns? Hell, I don't understand the right's obsession with guns period.

It's an American right to be able to protect yourself, and there's this irrational fear that Obama is going to take it away.

Mupepe · « **Reply #30 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:55:10 PM »

I have a lot of gun loving friends I've had to set straight about what Obama has said about guns. It's ridiculous. Usually when someone finds out I own guns and I voted for Obama the first question is "Why? Aren't you afraid he'll take them away?"

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** January 08, 2011, 04:59:58 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 08, 2011, 04:51:03 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 08, 2011, 04:48:44 PM
What is her obsession with guns? Hell, I don't understand the right's obsession with guns period.

It's an American right to be able to protect yourself, and there's this irrational fear that Obama is going to take it away.

I understand all of that. I just don't understand why they like guns so much. I only like guns when I have no control of them, like in a movie or in a video game. But I guess I'm an odd duck.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #32 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:02:18 PM »

I have no problem with gun ownership, just a problem with fanatical gun owners who sleep with the doors unlocked in hopes that they get to blow someone away.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #33 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:02:38 PM »

I don't get it, either. A couple of my friends have shotguns for safety (they actually live in sketchy areas), but I have no desire to own one.

The people who weird me out are those who demand and make a big deal out of their right to carry a concealed weapon on them at all times.

Himu · « **Reply #34 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:04:24 PM »

I don't see the point in owning one unless you DO live in a sketchy neighborhood or in a rural area.

They say it's for protection, but very quite often, this form of "protection" fails because it is a weapon. Is is fighting fire with fire.

Rman · « **Reply #35 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:05:13 PM »

Terrible news. Hopefully she recovers.

Himu · « **Reply #36 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:06:07 PM »

The fact this guy killed a kid and did this indiscriminately is so sad.

Mupepe · « **Reply #37 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:07:02 PM »

Guns are fun.

And a lady was raped in my apartment complex a couple of weeks ago when someone did a home invasion and robbed the house. They were carrying knives and a baseball bat. This is in one of the "safest" neighborhoods in Houston. I like having a gun handy so I can blow them the fuck away if they enter my house like that. I don't think guns are the biggest contributor to crime in this country. There's all sorts of social and economic policies to blame, not to mention our fascination with crime, violence and "easy money". Until those are sorted out, I'd like to at least be able to be level on the playing field or have an upper hand.

/derail

But anyways, my biggest reason for owning them? Fun as hell to shoot and I find the different styles fascinating. I have a CHL but I don't carry unless I am going somewhere sketchy. I don't need to carry at the fucking grocery store.

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:10:53 PM »

I definitely agree that they serve their purpose and I'm certainly not blaming them for all of America's crime. Such a statement would be ridiculous.

That sucks about your neighbor. Did she live alone? I DO think that a woman should have a gun to arm herself in case something like that happens.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #39 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:11:53 PM »

seems this dude was way out in alex jones country, where political affiliation ceases to matter. definitely figured obama was gonna usher in the days of barcodes and brownshirts, and apparently? decided to make a statement. he definitely wasn't religious, and i don't think he was a palinista -- just one of your far-right/left/whatever anti-gubmint paranoiacs that apparently like to shack up in arizona.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #40 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:13:30 PM »

that said, the right has been fueling this stupid fear of xxxtreme socialist takeover for quite awhile, to feverish levels, and i think you can safely lay the blame for this at the feet of their collective rhetoric

Mupepe · « **Reply #41 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:14:14 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 08, 2011, 05:10:53 PM

I definitely agree that they serve their purpose and I'm certainly not blaming them for all of America's crime. Such a statement would be ridiculous.

That sucks about your neighbor. Did she live alone? I DO think that a woman should have a gun to arm herself in case something like that happens.

no idea. just saw police at my apartment complex one night (about 10 squad cars and two ambulances) and then got a letter on my door from the apartment complex letting us know what's up the next day. we moved one of our handguns by the couch and another by the bed just in case for a while. I also carry one in my car most of the time. You don't even need a CHL for that in Texas.

Mandark · « **Reply #42 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:14:20 PM »

Yeah, political rhetoric has consequences. But violence by the mentally ill isn't one, or at least it's such a rare, unpredictable, indirect, and unproven consequence that we shouldn't worry about it. People should not have to tailor their speech based on what an insane listener might do.

The harm Palin and her allies do is through the normal political process. If we want to talk about the language of politicians leading to killing, we should be talking about Iraq and Afghanistan.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #43 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 08, 2011, 05:13:30 PM

that said, the right has been fueling this stupid fear of xxxtreme socialist takeover for quite awhile, to feverish levels, and i think you can safely lay the blame for this at the feet of their collective rhetoric

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. The rhetoric around Obama and the Democratic party in general has just been insane, it's bound to make its way to a fun nutjobs and sink in to the point where they go crazy with a gun. It's not entirely a cause-and-effect issue here, but, maybe, you know, let's try to get along a little better?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #44 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:34:07 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on January 08, 2011, 05:14:20 PM

Yeah, political rhetoric has consequences. But violence by the mentally ill isn't one, or at least it's such a rare, unpredictable, indirect, and unproven consequence that we shouldn't worry about it. People should not have to tailor their speech based on what an insane listener might do.

The harm Palin and her allies do is through the normal political process. If we want to talk about the language of politicians leading to killing, we should be talking about Iraq and Afghanistan.

true, true. i'm more than a little irritated, so lemme recant. by all accounts, the shooter was straight-up wack-a-doodle delusional, and probably would have found ANY justification. that said, and contrapositively, i think we can diagnose sarah and her supporters as insane simply because they indulge in such violent public rhetoric!

Oblivion · « **Reply #45 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:52:06 PM »

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 08, 2011, 05:11:53 PM

seems this dude was way out in alex jones country, where political affiliation ceases to matter. definitely figured obama was gonna usher in the days of barcodes and brownshirts, and apparently? decided to make a statement. he definitely wasn't religious, and i don't think he was a palinista -- just one of your far-right/left/whatever anti-gubmint paranoiacs that apparently like to shack up in arizona.

Anyone else find it funny how these crazy types always seem to be attacking Democratic lawmakers?

naff · « **Reply #46 on:** January 08, 2011, 05:59:07 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 08, 2011, 04:51:03 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 08, 2011, 04:48:44 PM
What is her obsession with guns? Hell, I don't understand the right's obsession with guns period.

It's an American right to be able to protect yourself, and there's this irrational fear that Obama is going to take it away.

Yeah this is funny. Guns to protect yourself

. They're much better at killing you, the vast majority of gun deaths are either murders or suicides. America smh

Oblivion · « **Reply #47 on:** January 08, 2011, 06:06:30 PM »

From Big Government:

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all left wing nuts are brain damaged! what is happening to our great country? put this messed up loser in the electric chair!

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Sick, sick, sick. Knew it! The shooter's a college intellectual. Only those scumbags are capable of such unprovoked violence and love to "read" books like Marx's Communist Manifesto and Hitler's Mein Kampf.

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This reprehensible act will be used for a push on gun control.

Now we sit back and watch how the Liberal/Soros media spins this guy..........who is obviously a flaming Lib

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I don't care what his problems are, he should be tortured to an incomprehensibly slow and painful death.

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The first tragic event of the day for me was, of course, the killings and injuries by this horrible individual. The second tragic event was reading the comments on some of the liberal websites(yahoo especially) spewing venomous, hateful, obscene comments blaming conservatives, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, etc. for this massacre. Some are demanding Palin be indicted for murder because of sayins"locked and loaded" and having targets drawn on some members of Congress. I came away from the sites disillusioned with the citizens of this country and sick to my stomach. I never imagined liberals were this nasty. The loss of life and injury weren't foremost in their minds - finding a way to blame those they don't agree with came first. I have to say that reading the comments here helped restore my faith that there are still many good people in this country.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #48 on:** January 08, 2011, 07:58:50 PM »

I have a jo staff and a boken right next to my bed "just in case"

(The potential future Mrs. Nuff also sleeps with a kendo sword next to her bed too)

NEEEEEEEEEEERDS

Mupepe · « **Reply #49 on:** January 08, 2011, 08:00:19 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on January 08, 2011, 07:58:50 PM

I have a jo staff and a boken right next to my bed "just in case"

(The potential future Mrs. Nuff also sleeps with a kendo sword next to her bed too)

NEEEEEEEEEEERDS

(Image removed from quote.)

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #50 on:** January 08, 2011, 08:45:52 PM »

People are just blindly blaming this on whatever their political biases are.

Better to wait a few days and see what the story is, especially if this is not some lone gun nut.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #51 on:** January 08, 2011, 09:07:43 PM »

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drew · « **Reply #52 on:** January 08, 2011, 09:22:54 PM »

i fucking knew my name would get dropped somewhere in here

KNEW

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #53 on:** January 08, 2011, 09:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Mamacint on January 08, 2011, 09:07:43 PM

[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

Gotta love Chuck Todd's "to be fair..." bullshit defense of the crosshairs. Campaign rhetoric is often heated, sure. But there's a difference between saying "time to take back our government/house seat/senate/etc" and saying if you lose a campaign there's always "second amendment remedies" to fall back on.

drew · « **Reply #54 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:00:09 PM »

keith olberman just owned face on tv

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #55 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:02:37 PM »

Nah, a special comment from him about the violent rhetoric/imagery. Haven't seen it

drew · « **Reply #56 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:06:20 PM »

he said quite a bit, im sure it'll be uploaded onto yt soon

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #57 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:25:58 PM »

video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#40983401

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #58 on:** January 08, 2011, 11:29:35 PM »

ok tasteless nerd humor time! it looks like his biggest influences were modus ponens and peano arithmetic. first-person shooters seem to have been displaced by theorem provers as the lost youth of america's murder-inducing software of choice. having spent some time with coq, z3 and cvc3 i can definitely sympathize; time for a class action suit against inria, ms research and nyu?

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #59 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:34:30 AM »

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/01/08/the-politics-of-jared-loughner

Quote from: The Stranger

If it turns out that this video was in fact posted by the same Jared Loughner who is suspected of shooting Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords today in Arizona, then we have some sense of his politics. As Ben Smith notes:

"You don't have to accept the federalist laws," the video above says; It also insists on the gold and silver standard, talks of revolution, and suggests that the government is imposing "mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar."

There's also a clear sense, from watching the above video, that its creator is, at the very least, somewhat paranoid—and perhaps ready to act on his paranoia and anti-government feelings. "I am a terrorist," says one of the lines in the video.

The question: If the culture were filled with more statements like this, from Bill Clinton in 1995 (and via an e-mail from another journalist), instead of with rhetoric that seems to stoke the kind of anti-government paranoia on display above, would today have turned out any differently?

Quote from: Clinton
So I say this to the militias and all others who believe that the greatest threat to freedom comes from the Government instead of from those who would take away our freedom: If you say violence is an acceptable way to make change, you are wrong. If you say that Government is in a conspiracy to take your freedom away, you are just plain wrong. If you treat law enforcement officers who put their lives on the line for your safety every day like some kind of enemy army to be suspected, derided, and if they should enforce the law against you, to be shot, you are wrong. If you appropriate our sacred symbols for paranoid purposes and compare yourselves to colonial militias who fought for the democracy you now rail against, you are wrong. How dare you suggest that we in the freest nation on Earth live in tyranny! How dare you call yourselves patriots and heroes!

UPDATE: Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, speaking in Arizona just now, seems to be pondering the same question:

Quote from: Dupnik
When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

It's not unusual for all public officials to get threats constantly, myself included. And that's the sad thing of what's going on in America. Pretty soon, we're not going to be able to find reasonable, decent people who are willing to subject themselves to serve in public office.

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Author Topic: Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona (Read 14472 times)