Author Topic: TACTICS OGRE LET US CLING TOGETHER PSP AKA GAME OF THE YEAR (Read 28322 times)

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #120 on:** February 16, 2011, 03:04:55 PM »

if I am bad at video games how far will I get before turning it off and quitting forever

Himu · « **Reply #121 on:** February 16, 2011, 03:05:41 PM »

Third battle.

magus · « **Reply #122 on:** February 16, 2011, 04:40:55 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 16, 2011, 02:46:29 PM

Quote from: magus on February 16, 2011, 01:01:20 PM
my cleric,wizard and archer keep dying,it wouldn't be so bad if the game wasn't all like "OH NO I'M GOING TO TAKE THEM AWAY FOREVER IN 3 TURNSSSSSS"

EDIT: okay so there is this mission and i tought "let's take it slowly,kill everybody and then go after the boss" and after killing 4 enemies out of 6,extra reinforcement came wasting several minutes of battle

and that's why SRPG sucks

Which battle is this? The battle with the necromancer? You can't decimate every troop on that map unless you have some way to cast excorcism to kill the undead troops once their bones/ghosts have been shattered.

To win that fight, support Canopus as he goes around the map, sniping archers and mages until he has over 100 TP so he can take off over 100+ hp from the boss so the rest of your guys can go in and go for the kill. Create a diversion while doing so.

yea it's the necromancer and casting exorcism was what i was doing but if you do that the necromancer just summon 4 more undead,it's really lame

what i did was recruiting 3 other soldiers,spend some money to equip them,ignore every undead troop and rushed the guy a-la spanish inqusition

every other battle after that has been pretty easy,but they last forever! damage between characters is barely done!

but anyway have you been recruiting unit? i took a trip to the skill menu and discovered that

- Wizard can recruit lizard unit
- Cleric can recruit angel unit
- Knight can recruit human unit
- Beast Tamer can recruit beast unit

maybe i should recruit some non-human for kick's sake

Positive Touch · « **Reply #123 on:** February 16, 2011, 05:14:06 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on February 16, 2011, 02:47:05 PM

Quote from: tiesto on February 16, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
Yeah, I think I'm gonna wait a tad to play this... Vagrant Story has me burnt out on Matsuno for a bit. Though that game definitely needs the TO PSP treatment - faster and more user-friendly with nicer graphics.

Minagawa hints that VS is next.

omg will jo 4 24 hrs straight if true

Himu · « **Reply #124 on:** February 16, 2011, 05:21:06 PM »

The whole point of the battle, Magus, is to kill the necromancer, not kill all the enemies.

Haven't been recruiting units yet.

magus · « **Reply #125 on:** February 16, 2011, 06:38:14 PM »

really? i didn't notice because there was a ghost blowing fireball in my face

anyway after 3 random battle,i recruited a griffon,apparently they are very good at dodging,i tried to recruit a lizardmen too but if the wizard fails he's dead and then you have to restart the battle all over again.... maybe i should see if chariot can be abused when recruiting (by the way with all the bitching i heard about it,you'll think it would be the end of the world but i used it like twice!

)

oh and the tamer apparently has also the dragon recruit skill,can you mix & match skill? i guess not.....

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #126 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:40:16 PM »

look at terrain and weather conditions if you aren't doing shit for damage

magus · « **Reply #127 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:47:41 PM »

i tought those affected only accuracy?

aaaannnnnyway i recruited a lizard but sadly it's just a warrior/berserker with a little higher average strenght but at least it had some nice equipment attached to it and there is always the chance that lizard exclusive class get unlocked later

i tried giving a spin to the gryphon but he got murdered,in his defense he was only level 1 so maybe i should level him up a bit

there are 2 other monster i can recruit,a magic-casting cyclop and a really fucking tough octopus,i tried getting a cyclop but i had no luck,i think trying on the same turn over and over using chariot will give you the same result,i tried recruiting it in different turns but it would still refuse,in short recruiting it's quite a big pain in the ass $:-\$

EDIT: aaaaaaaaaaand octopus get! i checked the shop and they stocked new item,i bought morning star for everyone and now the damage output i do is way more acceptable... i think i'll get in a few random battle to train him and the gryphon to see if they have any sort of potential since i can't seems to get one of those cyclops,shame because they seems to be much better than those lame star fencer/valkyrie's

magus · « **Reply #128 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:34:47 AM »

i trained the monsters up to level 6 and they really aren't worth all the effort,their stat don't differ that much from human units and their unique skills aren't that good,i caught a cyclop too but ultimately there isn't much difference between him and a star fencer (and besides i just realized that a star fencer can also cast heal while a cyclop can't) i'm using the gryphon anyway since i need a 10th unit that differs from the other 9 and besides he's usefull to have around since he has a good move rate and flies

i finished chapter 1 and i don't understand why but random battles feel like they take forever but story mission are piss easy... shouldn't it be the other way around?

Raban · « **Reply #129 on:** February 17, 2011, 12:27:00 PM »

Quote from: dcharlie on February 17, 2011, 10:13:57 AM

Tonight, the wife gave me a passionate 15 minute run down of why the SNES version of TO is one of the greatest games ever made.

Sounds like the best wife ever.

magus · « **Reply #130 on:** February 17, 2011, 01:11:30 PM »

Quote from: Raban on February 17, 2011, 12:27:00 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on February 17, 2011, 10:13:57 AM
Tonight, the wife gave me a passionate 15 minute run down of why the SNES version of TO is one of the greatest games ever made.

Sounds like the best wife ever.

being married to himuro doesn't sound that great $:-\$

Raban · « **Reply #131 on:** February 17, 2011, 01:13:21 PM »

Well, not that I agree with her, but I'd love to be married to a woman who knew what the fuck a "Tactics Ogre" was, much less have an opinion on the different versions.

magus · « **Reply #132 on:** February 17, 2011, 05:07:24 PM »

crafting in this game is the worst,let's say you need to upgrade your baldur hammer,to do so you need to own

1X silver ingot
1X baldur ingot
1X nightshade extract

but wait! to do the baldur ingot you need a silver ingot too,and to make a silver ingot you need to have a silver ore,which you make with inferior ore,but you need 3x silver ore and each time you want to make a silver ore you have to sit trough this short 3 second animation... in short something as simple as upgrading your shit takes waaaaaaay too much menu dickering and at least around 10 "bubbling pot" animation,oh and there is a chance you might fail,because apparently the whole ordeal wasn't still stupid enough

at least the upgrade are decent,you even unlock certain properties for item (an upgraded baldur's hammer for example get a silence effect added)

the last bunch of missions had "reason number 2 to hate SRPG" a dumb NPC who you have to protect with no absolute sense of self-preservation,we are talking like i had trouble healing it because he would keep charging forward before my healer could reach it

and it was an archer! why the fuck would an archer go close to the enemy?

aaaannnnnyywaaayyyy the last bunch of jobs unlocked

spoiler (click to show/hide)

terror knight - like a reverse knight,they have attack instead of defense,cast dark magic instead of holy and their special inflict terror which decrease attack and defense
rogue - can steal stuff,i'm not sure why you would need this guy since a dead enemy drop his stuff anyway?

ninja - can dual wield,has a special school of magic that requires you to buy items to be used
dragoon - apparently suited to kill beast and dragons

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chronovore · « **Reply #133 on:** February 18, 2011, 07:32:42 AM »

Quote from: Raban on February 17, 2011, 12:27:00 PM

Quote from: dcharlie on February 17, 2011, 10:13:57 AM
Tonight, the wife gave me a passionate 15 minute run down of why the SNES version of TO is one of the greatest games ever made.

Sounds like the best wife ever.

She's pretty great. She chose a swell guy, too. But she apparently thinks I'm funny, so there's no real accounting for taste.

magus · « **Reply #134 on:** February 18, 2011, 11:06:29 AM »

i trained my beast tamer a little and now i have 3 dragons in my party,an earth one,a thunder one and a water one... the fact that each elemental dragon is considered a different class is quite a pain in the ass since i'm trying to keep everybody on even level $:-\$

i also got a fairie,it's practicaly kinda like a lamer cleric (if the cleric could get more lame that's it)
and lastly

i also trained a ninja,i tought he would kick ass but he really doesn't deal much more damage than my hammer wielding warriors... but he's also 3 level behind

magus · « **Reply #135 on:** February 18, 2011, 03:08:57 PM »

GO GO DRAGON RANGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
GO GO DRAGON RANGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

YOU SUCK AT LEVEL ONE BUT MAYBE YOU WILL BE DECENT AT LEVEL TENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

magus · « **Reply #136 on:** February 19, 2011, 12:41:40 PM »

i brought every dragon to level 7,their defense is pretty high (especialy ranged defense,they take no damage at all from arrows) but they get afflicted by status ailment pretty easily (which i guess explains why every dragon CPU has "Resist Charm" in his skillset) they don't deal much damage ultimately

if you decide to get a dragon,i would pick a water one or a fire one,each dragon has a unique breath skills which inflict a different status ailment,the fire one inflict ATK down and the water one DEF down while the other just screw up accuracy/avoid rate,the water one can also walk on water (like the octopus or the rune fencer class) and the fire one can walk on lava (and is the only unit so far able to do so)

whatever happened to himuro? it's all marvel vs capcom 3 fault uh? $:-\$

magus · « **Reply #137 on:** February 20, 2011, 11:29:23 AM »

i'm at chapter 3 and personaly i'm starting to dislike the game for the single reason i dislike every SRPG,it just feels like i'm doing the same thing over and over and over,and i couldn't care less about the plot so in short chance are you are going to find me in the dragon quest 6 thread

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #138 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:37:19 PM »

pussy, perhaps nintendo dogs would be more your style

those dora games aren't gonna explore themselves, ese

Rman · « **Reply #139 on:** February 20, 2011, 04:06:45 PM »

Magus, is there any game you like? You're the lovable cynical gamer at Evilbore, which is quite an accomplishment.

magus · « **Reply #140 on:** February 20, 2011, 04:17:12 PM »

oh there are plenty of games i like,i did a stalwart defense of FFXIII a while ago
i just like all the wrong ones :'(

but anyway if you like final fantasy tactics and the like by all mean pick this up because it's identical to it,up to the character that make up the plot but SRPG aren't just my thing...

demi · « **Reply #141 on:** February 20, 2011, 05:25:45 PM »

SRPG with characters above the age of 6...

magus · « **Reply #142 on:** February 20, 2011, 07:11:45 PM »

but she's really 600! </weeaboo>

Oblivion · « **Reply #143 on:** February 20, 2011, 11:36:11 PM »

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on February 20, 2011, 01:37:19 PM

those dora games aren't gonna explore themselves, ese

Mind if I steal dat, yo?

Himu · « **Reply #144 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:20:50 PM »

this game truly is game of the year. only mvc3 can compete.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #145 on:** March 03, 2011, 02:14:40 PM »

damn straight

Himu · « **Reply #146 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:29:27 AM »

I just saved Xapan and I'm on my way back to Almorica.

Chapter 2L.

How the fuck do I get dragons? I have fought one dragon so far. Also I want octpuses and cyclopses! I have beast tamer class (Denam). Will that let me get the cyclops and stuff like that?

I've got a hawkman, and a wonderful lizardman berserker.

Himu · « **Reply #147 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:33:47 AM »

OH HEY

GAMETRAILERS FINALLY REVIEWED GAME OF THE YEAR.

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-tactics-ogre/711349

homos

magus · « **Reply #148 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:38:29 AM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 06, 2011, 08:29:27 AM

I just saved Xapan and I'm on my way back to Almorica.

Chapter 2L.

How the fuck do I get dragons? I have fought one dragon so far. Also I want octpuses and cyclopses! I have beast tamer class (Denam). Will that let me get the cyclops and stuff like that?

I've got a hawkman, and a wonderful lizardman berserker.

level 7 beastmaster

Himu · « **Reply #149 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:40:43 AM »

FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

makes me wanna go back and redo that xapan battle almost but I was concentrating on HAULIN' ASS so I could save Xapan. I need to make a generic a beast master so I can make Denam a knight or something, though I really liked him as a warrior.

magus · « **Reply #150 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:42:10 AM »

why? to recruit the dragon? you'll encounter lots of them later,no need to hurry

Himu · « **Reply #151 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:42:30 AM »

No. Cyclops.

magus · « **Reply #152 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:45:03 AM »

cyclops are easy to encounter too,there is a battle in the plain where you can encounter gryphons,octopus and cyclops

and besides they are kinda sucky magic caster/warrior hybrid like the rune fencers

Himu · « **Reply #153 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:46:42 AM »

rune fencer is a really underrated class. It has its uses and it's not as bad as people think. I think in terms of early game, it's quite useful to be able to get in on front line action while casting the occasional spell.

also I'm totally considering making canopus and my other hawkman learn some magic.Sometimes their bows just don't deal out good damage and they could use some back up power.

Damian79 · « **Reply #154 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:29:01 PM »

How do you guys kill necromancer nybbas? the 4th fight from the start of the game? He keeps respawning shit on me and hitting me very hard.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #155 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:14:14 AM »

Quote from: Damian79 on March 06, 2011, 09:29:01 PM

How do you guys kill necromancer nybbas? the 4th fight from the start of the game? He keeps respawning shit on me and hitting me very hard.

fly canopus at him, shoot his ass

Himu · « **Reply #156 on:** March 07, 2011, 12:41:35 AM »

Quote from: Damian79 on March 06, 2011, 09:29:01 PM

How do you guys kill necromancer nybbas? the 4th fight from the start of the game? He keeps respawning shit on me and hitting me very hard.

Since you say "4th fight", there's your problem. Fighting that battle right at the beginning is a fool's errand. Fighting those guys at levels 3-4 is more than tough, it's almost impossible seeing as how most of those forces are levels 5-6. Go do the missions up north and when you're assigned to the missions to the west, go do the necromancer fight. Your party should be around levels 5-6, give or take, and it will be 1000x easier.

Bring an archer alongside Canopus, learn the skills that enhances shots. It takes 40 tp points in battle to use. It's called tremendous shot.

Use that archer, bring at least two clerics, a few exorcism scrolls to exorcise the undead units. Bring at least 10-11 for this fight. Sure you could use the exorcise magic, but that requires a lot of mp at this point and you'll be using cure about every turn with your cleric's. Doing this frees up turns and allows people who otherwise can't use Exorcise to kill the undead units while your cleric's are doing the big damage. Use heal on those mother fuckers because heal hits them like a truck.

At the beginning of the battle don't move any of your troops. Let, Vyce take some heat while you charge mp and tp. Take on the undead units one unit at a time and then exorcise and support Canopus as he climbs the upper reaches of the castle. He will respawn units, but don't worry about them. They're not threatening aside from the mend leafs they give him for extra healing. Just take it slowly, pressing one bit at a time.

Damian79 · « **Reply #157 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:10:41 AM »

I beat it. I had to start again. I had like 4 lvl 4 clerics that fight. But in the end i got that caponus guy to do his 100 tp ranged skill. And then do a coupel of hits. Everyone was one the groudn except a couple.

Himu · « **Reply #158 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:14:14 AM »

that fight is a bitch at lv 4

gj

Damian79 · « **Reply #159 on:** March 07, 2011, 01:29:30 AM »

Very satisfying depite it being frustrating. Thanks.

Damian79 · « **Reply #160 on:** March 08, 2011, 12:38:28 AM »

I fucked up and have to start all over. I made my main a beast tamer and the game forces me into a 1v1 fight. I dont think i can win this

.

Himu · « **Reply #161 on:** March 08, 2011, 01:12:48 AM »

where

Damian79 · « **Reply #162 on:** March 08, 2011, 03:27:33 AM »

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Its the one where you fight vyse, in the castle

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I dont have any items or anything and i cant get out and i saved it inside the castle or whatever.

Damian79 · « **Reply #163 on:** March 08, 2011, 03:31:31 AM »

He is like lvl 11 and i am lvl 10.

Damian79 · « **Reply #164 on:** March 08, 2011, 04:34:11 AM »

I cheesed it with the knight class and phalanx and divine magic lol.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #165 on:** March 11, 2011, 07:53:40 PM »

I'm like five battles in and really liking it, but is there really no way to return to the title screen and start over from a battle?

magus · « **Reply #166 on:** March 11, 2011, 07:56:23 PM »

i'm pretty sure there is a "return to title screen" option if you press start,after that you can just load your last save?

Himu · « **Reply #167 on:** March 11, 2011, 07:56:40 PM »

Uh...press start, bottom option.

OptimoPeach · « **Reply #168 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:01:51 PM »

Haha woops I was hitting select. Dunno why select is above start.

Anything I should know before I get in deep? I'm afraid I'm going to dump my skill points or whatever into a bunch of useless shit and be gimped for half the game

TEEEPO · « **Reply #169 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:10:46 PM »

so when does this game become challenging?

Damian79 · « **Reply #170 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:27:51 PM »

You probably went the chaos path, it seems like it is the easier path.

Himu · « **Reply #171 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:29:16 PM »

Quote from: OptimoPeach on March 11, 2011, 08:01:51 PM

Haha woops I was hitting select. Dunno why select is above start.

Anything I should know before I get in deep? I'm afraid I'm going to dump my skill points or whatever into a bunch of useless shit and be gimped for half the game

In the first half of the game, most of your enemies will be humans. Learn anatomy, which increases damage dealt towards humans.

Make your archers learn tremendous strike asap. Also, Trajectory.

Make your knights learn things like rampart aura and fortify. With these skills your knights can be total tanks. Other physical based classes like warrior, knight, archer;etc. also get boosts from Strengthen +1 or whatever skills. This plus anatomy kills fuckers. Magic boost for your mages as well.

Split magic use between your mages. Dark Magic is the best offense magic, but it's useful to concentrate on specific magics for specific characters. Like, one of my mages can use fire, dark, and earth magic. The other can use lightning, air, and water and ice.

Teach your rune fencers and vartans and archers (if possible) some magic. At early game it gets some good use because sometimes physical damage may not do much but you'll have magic on the side. This is especially useful with Canopus and other Vartans.

Make your cleric and rune fencer learn recruit. Good for recruiting humans and hawkmen, which is great in combination with Canopus. Even knights can use basic divince (healing) magic, which can help you in a bind.

Different classes have different recruitment skills. Wizards for example have Coax, which allows lizardmen to join you.

Save your TP and get what you feel is best for that class. It's good to level up specific skills. For example, by using your Rune Fencer a lot, you can level up the spear skill. So when you get a dragoon, you can change the RF to one and already have an advantage in spear use.

Each class has special skills that cost 200, 300, 400 or more TP, which is why you save.

Have at least two clerics, maybe two or three archers (including a few hawkmen), two mages. Lizardmen are BEASTS (especially berserkers), try to get one or two before chapter 1 end.

But for the most part, don't worry about class. Even Warrior is good where I'm at.

Damian79 · « **Reply #172 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:48:19 PM »

I dont understand why even bother with recruiting new characters. You can only have up to 12 max characters in a given battle right?

Also what is the point of splitting up mages to do different attack types other than to get cc spells like sleep. I much rather keep castign the same attack spell to get the bonus damage.

Himu · « **Reply #173 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:50:52 PM »

Because by recruiting a lizardman berserker or an enemy terror knight now I too can be a berserker or terror knight

Also, lizardmen WRECK EVERYTHING.

I use two mages because it means more damage dealt with magic -- 2 > 1 -- and also because the only to USE magic is to have the magic skill equipped. And new skill slots are limited and expensive.

Damian79 · « **Reply #174 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:54:14 PM »

IMO terror knights are terrible but lizardmen are awesome though. Tanks that deal damage? Yes please. But that becomes wortless once you get the ninja class. They are ownage to a whole new level.

Himu · « **Reply #175 on:** March 11, 2011, 08:59:05 PM »

I find terror knights are useful. They're like knights except have a bigger emphasis on offense as opposed to defense.

Damian79 · « **Reply #176 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:11:42 PM »

I dunno. Their damage threshold seems kinda low. I can see how they do damage but ti seems like they have the equivalent of leather armor for defense.

Himu · « **Reply #177 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:13:07 PM »

threaten owns, though

Damian79 · « **Reply #178 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:23:51 PM »

I have to say though, one thing i dont like about the game is the level system. You are better off using multiple of the same class rather than all different ones becuas eyou ge tbonus exp for having multiple of the same class. THey souldnt have done that.

Himu · « **Reply #179 on:** March 11, 2011, 09:27:08 PM »

I really like it. Less emphasis on stone throwing, and "grinding" characters out ain't too bad. I can manage low level characters in story fights.

And it gives that classic Tactics Ogre feel to it. I like how in the original LUCT it felt like your characters progressed even if you did change classes. It wasn't like Disgaea or FFT where when you change classes it feels like they're weak. In LUCT original and remake I feel like my guys progress even if I change classes.

Having class levels enhances this. I can change my Denam to a knight and whether he's been a knight or not, with no prior experience, he's instantly the level of my main knight. I like that.

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Author Topic: TACTICS OGRE LET US CLING TOGETHER PSP AKA GAME OF THE YEAR (Read 28322 times)