Japanese piracy report and anime recommendation thread

[Great Rumbler]

Whether or not illegal copies circulating on the internet reduce the sales of legal products has been a hot issue in the entertainment industries. Though much empirical research has been conducted on the music industry, research on the movie industry has been very limited. This paper examines the effects of the movie sharing site Youtube and file sharing program Winny on DVD sales and rentals of Japanese TV animation programs. Estimated equations of 105 anime episodes show that (1) Youtube viewing does not negatively affect DVD rentals, and it appears to help raise DVD sales; and (2) although Winny file sharing negatively affects DVD rentals, it does not affect DVD sales. Youtube’s effect of boosting DVD sales can be seen after the TV’s broadcasting of the series has concluded, which suggests that not just a few people learned about the program via a Youtube viewing. In other words YouTube can be interpreted as a promotion tool for DVD sales.

The effect of YouTube on sales was particularly pronounced in the case of shows which had finished airing on TV. We can think of this as people who never saw the broadcasts becoming fans by way of YouTube and then going on to buy the DVDs.

3. There is no clear effect on DVD rentals from YouTube. At the very least we can say it seems YouTube has no adverse effect on DVD rentals.

4. Winny file-sharing has no effect on DVD sales, but does appear to decrease DVD rentals. People who download anime via Winny appear to be using it not to replace their purchases, but to replace their rentals.

Copyright holders who dislike YouTube and persistently request their works to be deleted from YouTube are likely to be harming their own business.

http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/publications/summary/11010021.html

[Phoenix Dark]

youtube=piracy in what world

[Great Rumbler]

youtube=piracy in what world

Well, you're watching an episode of a show for free and the creators/licensor aren't getting anything in return [unless it's a sanctioned release].

[Phoenix Dark]

Yea but I think it's ridiculous one can claim because youtube doesn't negatively effect sales, piracy therefore doesn't - and in fact increases sales. That's an utterly ridiculous assumption, especially when you consider how certain mediums like anime or music have been hurt by piracy (among other things, to be fair).

Youtube is a great way to advertise a product. I go there to watch clips or trailers of stuff I eventually buy, rent, or go see at the theater. It's not surprising it helps DVD sales because it is indeed promotion. But I certainly don't think youtube can be considered "piracy" in general. Sure some films and animes are on there illegally, but it's not the norm.

[archie4208]

I've pirated games before and enjoyed them enough to buy them

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on Steam sales

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[MyNameIsMethodis]

suck my ball archie

[Mr. Gundam]

Whatever you need to justify piracy, duder.

[archie4208]

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Gabe Newell

[Madrun Badrun]

I buy anime only after I have pirated it first to make sure I actually like it.  Same goes for movies.

[drew]

utter and complete bullshit

I buy anime only after I have pirated it first to make sure I actually like it.  Same goes for movies.

haha you watch anime

[Vizzys]

clearly buying anime is a fools game

because of the shame you will never live down by friends and loved ones when you are branded weeaboo for life

[demi]

Tasting anime like the fine cuisine that it is

[Great Rumbler]

Rather than justifying piracy, this report justifies increased streaming of anime. Would be nice to see that catch on even more.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

considering you can get free, legit streams on a shitload of anime (thanks Hulu, etc.), and now simultaneous broadcasting of fresh Japanese stuff, why would anybody need to pirate anime?

[Great Rumbler]

Free streaming is still a bit crummy, like Hulu doesn't even have anything above 480p.

And there are still quite a few shows each season which aren't streamed, free or otherwise.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

say I wanna watch Monster (which I do) or Baccano (also on my to do list), but I don't wanna pay any money for it.  Is there any way that pirating it through either torrents, download, or unauthorized streams is going to be either easier to do or will result in a better quality product then what is already officially available for free?

unless there is, and there exists a sizable gap in those terms, then anybody who chooses to pirate say, just those shows particular is being nothing else but a massive cock-knocker.

[Great Rumbler]

Most new anime shows can be downloaded in 720p, which is higher than anything on Hulu or the free version of Crunchyroll. There's also BD rips of slightly older shows. That's the big difference between pirating and legal streaming [disregarding availability, since not all shows are streamed].

Piracy probably past its heyday though, especially now that legal streaming is catching a bigger foothold.

[Madrun Badrun]

considering you can get free, legit streams on a shitload of anime (thanks Hulu, etc.), and now simultaneous broadcasting of fresh Japanese stuff, why would anybody need to pirate anime?

I'm in Canada.  I use legit sites when I can, like for One Piece, but most of the time I don't have the option.

[Great Rumbler]

That's a big factor in keeping piracy relevant, that streaming is hit and miss outside of the US. I know France has some kind of streaming, since they were showing Fractale in HD even after it was yanked temporarily from Funimation.

[Diunx]

I pirate shit all the time and never buy anything

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I did buy MGS2 recently cus the dvd I took from my cousin's place was scratched.

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[Cormacaroni]

I pirate shit all the time and never but anything

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I did buy MGS2 recently cus the dvd I took from my cousin's place was scratched.

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well aren't you just THE MAN

[Diunx]

Indeed.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I never pirate anymore.

The closest thing to pirating I do is watch free streaming porn and play SNES roms that I downloaded a half decade ago.  I thank my piss poor internet connection out in the boondocks for that.

I pirate shit all the time and never buy anything

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I did buy MGS2 recently cus the dvd I took from my cousin's place was scratched.

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I imagine many businesses have written off third world countries like the Dominican Republic because the tiny amount of revenue they could get from their products isn't worth their time to bother.  So you may as well pirate.

[ch1nchilla]

American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

You can rent here for filthy cheap, though.

[Great Rumbler]

American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

All complaints are relative. Anime used to be $30 for 3-4 episodes, compared to a fraction for all 26 episodes of some American TV show. So people complained.

Japan's just crazy though.

[Trent Dole]

The fuck is Winny?

[Great Rumbler]

The fuck is Winny?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny

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[chronovore]

American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

You can rent here for filthy cheap, though.

Well, the US rates for rentals are cheaper, especially depending on the service you're using. Let alone all that free crap I can't access from here on Hulu.

But, YES, it's funny to watch the late-arrival anime fans show up to shop and see the ¥8000 price tags on a "box set," which is actually the first DVD and a collector's box for the to-be-released DVDs, which is represented by a placeholder piece of foam or cardboard. ell oh ell.

[bork]

Dear anime industry,

Where the fuck is all the shit that I would actually buy?  Where is Detroit Metal City?  Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt?  Where is Working!!?  Where is High School Of The Dead?  Where is Durarara?  Put out some more shit other than Naruto and moeeeeeeee and maybe I'll buy something.

American weaboos have no right to complain about anime DVD/BD prices, real talk. They sell DVDs here with 1 or 2 episodes for like 5000 yen. THAT'S 60 AMERISTACKS, YO. Another example: Akira BD in Japan costs $80 USD, $30 in the US. Smh

So the prices have gone down?   

[Mr. Gundam]

Where is Durarara?

http://store.bandai-ent.com/durarara

[bork]

"Part 1" is $42?  No blu-ray?

 

I'm not paying $120+ for some DVDs.  Fuck off, Bandai.

[Vizzys]

celty-san keychain~

[Great Rumbler]

"Part 1" is $42?  No blu-ray?

 

I'm not paying $120+ for some DVDs.  Fuck off, Bandai.

Wait, they're releasing it in 3 parts? Laaaaaame.

[Don Flamenco]

For the last time: NO!

[Joe Molotov]

Sooo...8 episodes for $40? That's pretty old school. But it is Bandai, they're charging $40 an episode for Gundam Unicorn.

[Oblivion]

Japanese report: Piracy is still bad

So Himuro still hasn't learned his lesson?

[Himu]

I haven't pirated an anime in such a long ass time. Maybe a year and half. I do all my anime watching via stream these days.

[Cormacaroni]

there is a difference between streaming and piracy?

[Himu]

When the streaming site is owned and hosted by the people who license the anime, legally, yes.

[Smooth Groove]

 Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt? 

Why watch hentai when you can get real, unpixelated AV over here?  It's really hard to understand you Japanese sometimes.

[Cormacaroni]

When the streaming site is owned and hosted by the people who license the anime, legally, yes.

huh. Had no idea this was a thing. I thought all the anime places were super-uptight about their content.

[Himu]

Some are but if it means less piracy...

[Cormacaroni]

goddamn i wish i could go back in time and stop myself from buying DVDs

[Himu]

http://www4.funimation.com/video/?page=shows

I watch One Piece every week via stream. It shows up on funimation's website one hour after it airs in Japan. Translated. In English. With better subs and translations than fan subber quality.

[brob]

I'm plenty annoyed that these streams are region locked. They seem like a good deal.

[Great Rumbler]

goddamn i wish i could go back in time and stop myself from buying DVDs

http://www.hulu.com/channels/Animation-and-Cartoons/Anime

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime

 Where is Panty&Stocking With Garterbelt? 

Why watch hentai when you can get real, unpixelated AV over here?  It's really hard to understand you Japanese sometimes.

[Mupepe]

Where is Hand Maid May?

[Himu]

[Mupepe]

I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

[Great Rumbler]

I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.

[Mr. Gundam]

Give me giant robots or give me death.

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Gundam is the only one that's got a chance for localization anymore. Thanks Uguu-tards.

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[Mupepe]

I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.

So it actually holds up?  I can handle that.  I legitimately liked it when I was younger and I'm not a fan of anime outside of DBZ and Hand Maid May.  Maybe you can recommend something else?  I don't have anything against anime.  I just haven't seen one that has interested me since early high school. 

[Himu]

I can recommend a whole slew of good anime. Some of which are on netflix.

[Mupepe]

hook me up then, brotha. 

[Great Rumbler]

I used to love that show!  I still have that burned cd rom you gave me in high school with it.  I haven't watched it in ages though and I doubt it works.

I actually bought that show on DVD [for $15] not too long ago. It's kind of a standard late 90's/early 00's scifi/romance anime, but I've seen worse.

Edit: I was going to say that it cropped during the post-Mahoromatic/Chobits android-girl craze, but it actually predates both of those [but not the Mahoromatic manga]. Hmm...all 3 might have cropped up following the success of Steel Angel Kurumi, perhaps?

Edit 2: The only really bad thing about Hand Maid May is the inclusion of late-90's/early-00's mandated super-annoying, hyper-active main character rival whose only purpose is to provide dumb comic relief from time to time. But instead of being funny, he's just really annoying.

So it actually holds up?  I can handle that.  I legitimately liked it when I was younger and I'm not a fan of anime outside of DBZ and Hand Maid May.  Maybe you can recommend something else?  I don't have anything against anime.  I just haven't seen one that has interested me since early high school. 

For the kind of show that it is, it's not bad. Nothing exceptional or great, although part of that may be that there's so many copy-cats since then that HMM feels dated and cliche as a result. It's lighthearted fun without being overtly offensive to the senses.

If you're looking for something in a similar vein, I'd suggest Vandread. It's free on Hulu [both seasons] and draws from the same kind of lighthearted romantic humor, and it also has mechas. Vandread has a bit more fanservice, although most of [and the worst of it] is relegated to the ED.

Another from the light-humor/scifi genre, would be Irresponsible Captain Tylor. It's got scifi battles, an alien princess, and an inept starship captain who somehow manages to be the hero of the galaxy because his ineptitude is so amazingly impressive.

Or you can go for the original lighthearted romance scifi harem and watch Martian Successor Nadesico.

I'm just kind of winging it here, if you want something more specific then let me know.

[Mupepe]

Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.

[Great Rumbler]

Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.

Oh, I've got a good one for this:

http://www.hulu.com/fist-of-the-north-star

[Himu]

Actually, netflix's anime selection isn't the greatest, but...

Anything bold is highly suggested.

For stream:

- Lupin the 3rd: The Castle of Cagliostro - action adventure/comedy - movie
- Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - sci-fi action/drama - tv series
- The Place Promised in Our Early Days - alternative history/fantasy - movie


Disc:

- Paprika - fantasy - movie
Memories - sci/fi - movie
Tokyo Godfathers - drama - movie[/b]
- Tekkon Kinkreet - drama - movie
Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind - fantasy - movie
My Neighbor Totoro - fantasy - movie (watch this with your little girl
Whisper of the Heart - drama - movie
Cromartie High School - comedy - tv series - you may like this i dunno.
Metropolis - sci fi/drama - movie
Perfect Blue - drama/mystery thriller - movie
Millennium Actress - drama - movie
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time - fantasy - movie
Kino's Journey - fantasy/philosophical - tv series

Mostly went with films but also short tv shows. Classics like Voices of  Distant Star and Now and Then, Here and There aren't on netflix.

[Himu]

Jesus christ, rumbler those suggestions are horrible for a non-anime fan? Nadesico? Really?

[Himu]

Sweet.  Thanks, dude.  How about something along the lines of DBZ.  Action, cheesy, not overly invested into story or character development (I guess that depends on what version of DBZ you're watching too.)  I've also read some Naruto manga.  It was okay, but I don't know if the anime is better or not.

Fist of the North Star like rumbler suggested, but it's long. And old.

I'd just say go with Ninja Scroll. It's on netflix instant and a movie.