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Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« on: February 27, 2011, 12:12:02 PM »
Does anyone else here beside me even still use netbooks?   :lol

The HP Pavilion DM1Z:

    * A dual-core AMD Fusion processor E350*** for fast Web surfing and smooth HD video
    * Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium
    * AMD Radeon HD 6310 discrete-class graphics and support for DX11
    * Our CoolSense technology, which adjusts the temperature when the PC is not on a stationary surface
    * An 11.6" diagonal high-definition§§ (720p) display
    * 2GB DDR3 system memory (upgradeable to 8GB)
    * A 250GB§ hard drive (upgradeable to 750GB) or a 128GB Solid State drive for lighter weight and better battery life
    * A full-size island-style keyboard
    * An optional external CD/DVD drive for installing software or Blu-ray drive for watching HD movies (this model does not include an internal optical drive)
    * Support for 1080p HD content playback
    * Dolby advanced audio and Altec Lansing speakers for premium sound
    * A 6-cell battery that keeps you running for up to 9.5 hours2
    * ENERGY STAR® qualification

Basically it's the same size/casing (?) as the HP Mini 311 I am using now, but with a more powerful dual core 1.6Ghz processor and a better integrated graphics chip.  I don't do too much with my PC beyond basic web-browsing, but I do watch a lot of video, and the Mini 311 can only handle 720P, plus lately the speed (single core ATOM 1.6Ghz) has been getting more noticeable.  I don't do much gaming and have been able to run stuff like CoD4 and Fallout 3 well enough, but Dragon-Age just choked on it.  The DM1Z has been getting really good reviews, and is already in CNET's top five recommended laptops.

Is it worth the upgrade, or is still going to seem too slow?  Was also looking at the Alienware MX11 series, although the newer models are like two-three times the price of the DM1Z, and people are complaining that the battery life still sucks and the hinges have issues. 

Just wondering if this would work for me, or if in a year I'm going to be feeling like it's just not enough once again.
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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2011, 06:21:25 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2011, 11:24:50 PM »
I decided to order it...I can get it cheap enough (HP is giving $100 off, plus I found a code for another $30 off) and sell my Mini 311 once I have it, so for the price (like $400), it's a no-brainer. 

They also offer a quickship version sold as the "HP Pavilion 3020-US."  It was already configured how I wanted it, but I wanted to go with 4GB of RAM instead of 3GB.  It took around an HOUR of trying to deal with their horrible outsourced customer support for them to answer my inquiries...y'know, difficult questions like "does it void the warranty if I replace the RAM myself" and "What's the difference in the 3020-US and DM1Z?"

On the second question, the CS lady actually said "NO, THEY ARE USE DIFFERENT PROCESSOR SIR."   

???

It's the same fucking thing.  I also tried their text chat instead, and it took the CS rep 10 minutes to respond to my question...and the answer given was just a link to their own website.  So.  Awful.

So maybe later on I'll upgrade to 8GB of RAM, although I doubt I'll need it, and get a SSD hard drive.

Still want to get something much more powerful later on, but this will do for now.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 12:45:50 AM »
LAPTOP BORE RE-ASSEMBLE!

We've got about a half-dozen recent threads on laptops and netbooks, so rather than make another I'm calling this one back from its SHALLOW GRAVE.

We have a 2-year-old nephew visiting from Tokyo because of the radiation scare up there. He decided it would be a good idea to drop my wife's netbook off the table, which destroyed the LCD screen epically. It was an Eee PC, and pretty bulky and crappy. And slow. So we need a new replacement for her.

I keep reading about these Sandy Bridge processors, which are supposed to be cheap and fast, but so far they don't appear to have made it into the cheap-as-hell netbook range. Is that just something the electronics sites are speculating will happen in the next couple years, or am I missing the inclusion of them in recent netbooks?

Is there a baseline "You can't go wrong with a ________ netbook"?

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 01:51:34 AM »
Sandy Bridges are probably too fast for what netbooks need.  Other than the Six-Core I7s, SBs are the fastest CPUs around.  I don't know much about netbooks but you probably won't go wrong with another ASUS.  Most of their stuff are better than ever. 


Better hurry before your wife starts demanding an Ipad.  My sister was pissing me off today with all her talk of getting an Ipad 2.  My dad was going to get it for her but I told her to at least wait for the Ipad 3.
Her friends somehow convinced her that an Ipad is all the computing that she'll ever need.   I advised her that a Kindle and a new laptop or netbook make way more sense but she's already bought into the Apple hype.   :-X

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 02:19:43 AM »
Ah, I'm Apple's little bitch, but even I know how useless an iPad is when considering actually doing work on it. And I'm not sure about Asus. The now-busted machine was bought about 18 months ago, and the build quality on the keyboard and limited responsiveness of the trackpad were a little underwhelming. And the speed was :yuck

The wife is obligated to use Microsoft Office to maintain compatibility with her work setup, and she prefers Windows to Mac OS X.

So is this even the right processor name, then? I remember seeing news of a new processor becoming available, very low power consumption, very high performance, and specifically I recall sites saying that this is perfect for netbooks, but they would blur the line between netbook and laptop performance. Is there another just-debuted CPU which is low power and high performance? Or is that this Sandy Bridge line?

Edit: I'm also recalling that the chip had substantial onboard graphics support, where it was speculated a netbook get actually get non-joke level performance for games.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2011, 02:22:08 AM »
how much you wanna spend?
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 02:23:10 AM »
and yeah, this is the best netbook on the market after the 11" macbook air. it'll run shit proper-like.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 02:33:14 AM »
how much you wanna spend?
400-500 bucks, or rather 40,000 to 50,000 yen. The Asus Eee PC was 40,000 at the time but in the USA there were higher-spec machines for USD400.  :-\


and yeah, this is the best netbook on the market after the 11" macbook air. it'll run shit proper-like.
You're talking about Lyte's Pavilion? The same model number doesn't show up on Amazon.co.jp's site. Are all HP Pavilions pretty good right now?

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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 04:22:33 AM »
how much you wanna spend?
400-500 bucks, or rather 40,000 to 50,000 yen. The Asus Eee PC was 40,000 at the time but in the USA there were higher-spec machines for USD400.  :-\


and yeah, this is the best netbook on the market after the 11" macbook air. it'll run shit proper-like.
You're talking about Lyte's Pavilion? The same model number doesn't show up on Amazon.co.jp's site. Are all HP Pavilions pretty good right now?

no, most hp models are crap right now. the only products of note are the dm1z fusion-based netbook (what we're discussing) and the hp envy 14. (the hp envy 17 3d COULD be great if it didn't burn hotter than a reactor core). well, and the elitebook's remain solid, but they're business class and run a decent penny.

do you care about size? the dell inspiron 15's are great deals right now, and you can get 'em for $500 if you stack a few online coupons.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 05:50:33 AM »
My wife likes them small ( :-*) so she was happy with the size of the Eee PC.

I'd also have a hard time stacking coupons (and redeeming them, specifically), and then there's the problem with MS Office and Japanese drivers for our printer and fax; we've had a lot of problems when trying to get the stuff running on English Windows.

She's probably just going to get whatever CostCo is selling tomorrow, but I will warn her away from HP models. Lenovo took over IBM's ThinkPad stuff, right? Is it safe to assume even their low-end stuff is ugly but reliable?

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 12:13:31 PM »
lenovo's low-end stuff is decent -- i hate their keyboards, but overall they are decently built. (their business grade thinkpads are awesome, though, T410 4 LIFE Y'ALL)
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 06:05:21 PM »
Thanks, crunchy!

The Eee PC's keyboard was utter crap, too. I guess in all cases you get what you pay for.

She'll probably just check out the feel of the ones at CostCo and make her own call, but thanks for the benefit of your insight.

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 04:09:22 AM »
We ended up getting the current Acer Aspire One netbook. Keyboard and monitor were superior to the current Asus Eee PC. ¥36,000 plus we had ¥17,000 in credit at Joshin, so it was like getting it for half price. Christ, we paid USD1350 for my first computer, an Apple IIe 64k, and it was a STEAL at the time.
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Freakin' ONKYO is making netbooks now. What the hell? And NEC is making a netbook which is about the same level of quality as Asus/Acer, but costs half again as much.

Anyway, thanks for all the help here, guys.

Also, Kosma, :lol @alienware. There's no way to sneak that one past the wife while I'm already banging this out on my tricked-out MacBook Air.  ;)

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 11:09:03 AM »
Hey Prole, do you think Sacred 2 would run well enough on the DM1Z?

I never did talk about the Pavilion DM1Z.  Got it last Tuesday and spent most of the "setup" time removing HP's wide array of bloatware.  They really pack their PCs full of crap, although there are supposed to be a few things that work well.  Fences has gotten some praise, but I see no reason to use it with everything I need pinned to the taskbar and in the Start menu.  There's also HP's media suite, which I am going to try first, but will likely end up ditching too.

For about a year now, I was using an HP Mini 311 as my sole computer.  I don't need a lot power and am very much a casual PC user.  It was a powerful netbook when it came out, and did just about everything I wanted it to, but I felt like I needed an upgrade; running multiple applications at once was definitely slowing things down.  I thought about saving up more and getting an Alienware MX11 (one of the quad core models, not the older dual core version), but decided to wait since I have read that there is a bad hinge issue with the current models.  I have owned an Alienware laptop in the past, and did not have the most favorable experience with their customer support after they were bought out by Dell, so no thanks.  The MacBook Airs are very slick, but I didn't want to spend that much for Apple's version of a netbook.

So I looked to HP again.  The Pavilion DM1Z has been getting a ton of favorable reviews, and has been said to pack a lot of power for a machine with its size/specs.  HP had a deal going for $100 off order from their site, plus there was an additional coupon code I found for another $30 off.  I opted to pay for the faster two-day shipping ($40!), so including that and another $40 for tax, the configuration I got came out to around $530.  The only thing I changed from the base model was bumping the RAM up from 3GB to 4GB.  It's the same compact size as the Mini 311, but twice as powerful, if not more so.  It has the same 1366x768 screen, HDMI-out, and three USB 2.0 ports.  I don't know if this is part of a deal that was going on, but the stock HD is 320GB 7200 RPM, up from the Mini 311's 120GB HD.  The keyboard is MUCH better now, and the trackpad has been improved a bit, too.

I still need to mess around with the laptop some more before laying down final judgment.  Plus due to a STEAM screw-up, I had to reformat and start over again yesterday...when STEAM says that an update to the GPU is available, don't take it.  Lesson learned!

I'm having no problems multitasking.  Applications are loading up faster.  The Mini 311 would sometimes freeze up for a minute when I was doing a lot of stuff on it, and that hasn't happened on the DM1Z.

Games definitely run better on here...Dragon Age wasn't playable on the Mini 311 (too choppy, although I was running Win7 on it, and you do get better performance with XP+overclocking), but it runs smoothly enough at low settings on the DM1Z, and is even playable at higher settings, albeit at a low frame rate.  Doesn't seem to matter much in this game though, and I find it playable enough that I'm going to play it on PC over the 360 version (I prefer the PC version's controls/interface and overhead camera).  I'm not much of a PC gamer, but I also tried CoD4 and it ran extremely well on lower settings, although I was unable to try it out online...there's some issue with playing the game from Steam and using Punkbuster.  I tried some of the workarounds, but was unable to get any servers to come up.   :-\  I also tried Monday Night Combat, which was playable, but a bit choppy at times.  I'm also going to load Fallout 3 GOTY Edition on here...it was playable on the Mini 311, so I expect to be able to run it at a higher framerate and with more detail.  The only other game I tried was Outrun 2006 Coast2Coast, which ran perfectly.

I'm not much of a PC gamer, but it is nice to be able to play more-recent games on this thing.  I suspect I will really just end up using MAME and maybe GGPO, since consoles and handhelds are enough for me.

The only disappointment with the DM1Z I have found is with 1080P video.  I typically just watch 720P anyway, but the DM1Z is touted as being able to play 1080P smoothly.  I tried a blu-ray rip (.MKV) and found that it stuttered every minute or so.  Maybe there's an update I still need to try.  Youtube 1080P was buttery-smooth, but the Mini 311 could handle that too.

Oh, and I have had to install Dragon-Age FOUR times now.   :lol  That's 100GB downloaded in just a few days!  I kept getting an issue with the Ultimate Edition DLC not being recognized, followed the steps to patch it, and then the patches would screw the game up and I'd have to reinstall.  It finally worked on the third try, but then I had to reformat, so I had to download it again last night.  Hope it's okay this time too!

Left = Mini 311, Right = DM1Z


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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 11:16:51 PM »
I saw your post on GAF, Lyte.

I want dat HP so bad but I have to sell my Lenovo Ideapad first. Fuck.

Congrats btw, shit is smexy.

And for the 1080p MKV try CCCP+Core AVC or PotPlayer: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148745

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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 03:08:30 AM »
Can it run Crysis?

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2011, 12:03:02 PM »
I saw your post on GAF, Lyte.

I want dat HP so bad but I have to sell my Lenovo Ideapad first. Fuck.

Congrats btw, shit is smexy.

And for the 1080p MKV try CCCP+Core AVC or PotPlayer: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=148745

Cool, thanks!  I'll give that a try.

Can it run Crysis?

I'm sure it can; I saw people running Crysis on the Mini 311 and other netbooks going back to 2009.  If you mean "can it run Crysis WELL," then no, I really doubt it.   :lol  I would guess it would run on the lowest settings at 15-20 FPS?

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2011, 10:41:50 PM »
love the keyboard and form factor on it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2011, 09:43:19 PM »
Bought one. :)

Amazing upgrade from my old Lenovo Nvidia ION.

Just one thing, I just did a complete reformat and downloaded and installed all the necessary drivers (Lan,Wifi and Audio drivers from HP site and AMD Catalyst 11.4 from AMD site) but I am missing that audio bar, you know, the bar that shows up when you hit VOLUME+ and VOLUME-.

I thought it was HP Quick Launch Manger but nope, it isn't. Any idea what utility it is?
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2011, 06:07:19 PM »
I was able to get 1080p videos play smoothly even when plugging it to my HDTV. (video was Gundam Unicorn 1080p btw.)

The trick is to use MPC-HC DXVA. I followed this guide here:  http://imouto.my/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/

However, I used CCCP and not the standalone MPC-HC, that way I won't need to manually install Haali/FFDshow Audio.

If you need further help Lyte, just post it here or PM me.

Note1: In this step --> http://chihaya.imouto.my/DXVAv01/step4part1.png if "Allow animation when buffering" is enabled, my HP dm1 will lag like a bitch so I recommend against it.
 
Note2: Another alternative method is to use CoreAVC DXVA option but it crashes for me when I set my display to extended so I went with MPC-HC DXVA.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2011, 08:25:19 PM by MCD »

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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 10:18:21 PM »
Will check it out, MCD, thanks.  Although I'm fine with 720P for the time being...I've been using a hacked Apple TV to stream stuff and I doubt it would be worth messing with 1080P rips for that.
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2011, 03:41:25 AM »
I just bought the shittiest EEE PC imaginable :lol

It really is a piece of garbage but it was ridiculously cheap in yen and only needs to do one thing, ever (run one program that my wife can't use on her Mac) and at least it won't take up a lot of space. This is maybe the 2nd time in my hardware buying career I've been able to stop myself from buying something higher spec than I need so I feel quite good about it!

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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2011, 06:25:56 PM »
Yeah, I picked up whatever Acer Aspire was out at the time for the wife. She still keeps looking at my MacBook Air and salivating, but the price difference is astounding.


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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2011, 12:02:12 PM »
Sure.

Check this mega ass thread for all your HP dm1 needs and updates: http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-pavilion-notebooks/501683-hp-dm1z.html

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« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2011, 12:42:06 PM »
I'm not sure how HP dm1z dual core fusion processor fares with XNA development but I know it can play 720p videos easily with 4 to 5 hours battery life when set to "Balanced" and it is super duper portable.

tl;dr calling Professor Prole.


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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2011, 12:45:38 PM »
BTW Lyte, did you get a sleeve for it?

I need a good 11.6 sleeve. Any recommendations?

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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2011, 01:40:11 PM »
BTW Lyte, did you get a sleeve for it?

I need a good 11.6 sleeve. Any recommendations?

No, I need one too.  I usually just throw my pc in my old Alienware laptop backpack or in my (soft) briefcase, but I really need something just for a computer this size.

Although pretty much since I got it, the DM1Z has stayed in the same spot hooked up to an external monitor anyway.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2011, 01:31:14 PM »
I dont think i've ever tried a netbook that wasnt a complete piece of shit  :'(

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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2011, 02:02:59 PM »
try a macbook air 11, then, faggadoodle
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2011, 02:40:18 PM »
>Macbook

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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2011, 02:59:53 PM »
i own a great deal of applenprodukt
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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2011, 03:08:02 PM »
You should be ashamed of yourself.

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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2011, 03:10:12 PM »
If I get this job I'm interviewing for where I have to mess around with Final Cut Pro, I might just need to break my Mac cherry.  :omg
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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2011, 08:45:48 PM »
what is the cheapest but still alright netbook?

by cheap, I mean like sub-$300.  just a crappy, disposable one.  whatever advances have been made since the crappy, disposable mini 110 I had.

a good battery life would be nice too.  this one poops out in three or so hours.

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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2011, 08:47:29 PM »
my mini 311 died  :'( coworker tripped on the power cable and it flew juuuust at the right angle to break it apart.

I wanna replace it but Ill probably end up getting the same model since these new Fusion ones don't seem to be that big of a jump from the ION in everyday use  :-\
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2011, 10:12:04 AM »
my mini 311 died  :'( coworker tripped on the power cable and it flew juuuust at the right angle to break it apart.

I wanna replace it but Ill probably end up getting the same model since these new Fusion ones don't seem to be that big of a jump from the ION in everyday use  :-\

Spend the extra $200 or so for the dual-core models.  It's worth it...multi-tasking is much better, plus the DM1Z has a better keyboard and touchpad.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2011, 10:15:29 AM by lyte edge »
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2011, 10:13:21 AM »
what is the cheapest but still alright netbook?

by cheap, I mean like sub-$300.  just a crappy, disposable one.  whatever advances have been made since the crappy, disposable mini 110 I had.

a good battery life would be nice too.  this one poops out in three or so hours.

If you don't want to spend a lot, maybe just pick up a Mini 311.  Should be still on Amazon and new on eBay for $300.
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2011, 10:14:48 AM »
I dont think i've ever tried a netbook that wasnt a complete piece of shit  :'(

ASUS and HP have always worked well for me.
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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2011, 01:56:33 AM »
what is the cheapest but still alright netbook?

by cheap, I mean like sub-$300.  just a crappy, disposable one.  whatever advances have been made since the crappy, disposable mini 110 I had.

a good battery life would be nice too.  this one poops out in three or so hours.

If you don't want to spend a lot, maybe just pick up a Mini 311.  Should be still on Amazon and new on eBay for $300.

How different are these from the Aspire One line? Every time I try to use my wife's netbook, it's like pulling teeth. In the time it takes to open a new tab in IE, jump to google, and load the page, I can run upstairs, get my MacBook Air, come back downstairs, open it, and then perform the netbook steps... and still beat the netbook.

Sloooooow.  :'(

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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2011, 06:40:18 AM »
what is the cheapest but still alright netbook?

by cheap, I mean like sub-$300.  just a crappy, disposable one.  whatever advances have been made since the crappy, disposable mini 110 I had.

a good battery life would be nice too.  this one poops out in three or so hours.

If you don't want to spend a lot, maybe just pick up a Mini 311.  Should be still on Amazon and new on eBay for $300.

How different are these from the Aspire One line? Every time I try to use my wife's netbook, it's like pulling teeth. In the time it takes to open a new tab in IE, jump to google, and load the page, I can run upstairs, get my MacBook Air, come back downstairs, open it, and then perform the netbook steps... and still beat the netbook.

Sloooooow.  :'(

I don't know what's wrong with your wife's netbook but my first gen ideapad is more than fast enough. The fact I'm running Fedora instead of Windows on it might have something to do with that though. :piss2

When is a company going to get their shit together and release a super slim netbook based on an ARM processor? If they can make a Galaxy S 2 9mm thin surely someone can release a netbook with an ARM processor that's super slim but still has 10+ hours of battery life. Chromebooks were supposed to be ARM based until Google started sucking Intel's tits.

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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2011, 07:36:43 AM »
Windows 8 will support ARM chips.

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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2011, 08:00:14 AM »
Yeah, and all the Tegra stuff will run Windows 8 too. Not some slimmed down version either. Shit will hit the fan.
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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2011, 11:38:07 AM »
what is the cheapest but still alright netbook?

by cheap, I mean like sub-$300.  just a crappy, disposable one.  whatever advances have been made since the crappy, disposable mini 110 I had.

a good battery life would be nice too.  this one poops out in three or so hours.

If you don't want to spend a lot, maybe just pick up a Mini 311.  Should be still on Amazon and new on eBay for $300.

How different are these from the Aspire One line? Every time I try to use my wife's netbook, it's like pulling teeth. In the time it takes to open a new tab in IE, jump to google, and load the page, I can run upstairs, get my MacBook Air, come back downstairs, open it, and then perform the netbook steps... and still beat the netbook.

Sloooooow.  :'(

It's kinda unfair to compare the 2+ year-old single-core Mini 311 to a new MacBook Air, but I was using one of those as my only computer, and it was plenty fast for basic web-browsing and the like.  HP Netbooks also come with software that allows you to boot right into a web browser instead of into Windows if you'd like to.

The DM1Z would be a better comparison to the Air.  AFAIK the Air is still more powerful, but the DM1Z packs quite a punch and costs like twice as less.  I've been playing games like Fallout 3 GOTY, CoD4, and Dragon-Age at medium settings, and have been able run HD videos while browsing multiple pages in Firefox, using GIMP, and with Word open, for example, all without a hint of slowness.  That's pretty impressive for a "netbook," IMO.

And at the price I paid for it, if something noticeably better comes out next year, I won't have a problem selling the DM1Z off and upgrading.  Did the same thing with the Mini 311.  I like Apple (also have a MacBook), but every time I look at those Air prices and specs, I just think how I could buy a much better PC laptop for the price.
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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2011, 11:46:00 AM »
what is the cheapest but still alright netbook?

by cheap, I mean like sub-$300.  just a crappy, disposable one.  whatever advances have been made since the crappy, disposable mini 110 I had.

a good battery life would be nice too.  this one poops out in three or so hours.

If you don't want to spend a lot, maybe just pick up a Mini 311.  Should be still on Amazon and new on eBay for $300.

thanks.  if I can get it for that price, I will.  a bit larger than what I'm using now, but what I'm using now is a gigantic piece of shit so I wouldn't mind upgrading a bit.

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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2011, 12:10:53 PM »
^ - They were going for around $200-250 on ebay last time I checked, a steal at that price because they're such a huge jump from your standard netbooks.

Spend the extra $200 or so for the dual-core models.  It's worth it...multi-tasking is much better, plus the DM1Z has a better keyboard and touchpad.

I'm actually really considering this after checking out some gameplay videos of random games (New Vegas, etc) on Youtube. Beats the hell out of my work laptop with a 9300GS which I'm using to game on the go.
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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2011, 10:48:16 PM »
So after reading these couple of pages and dealing with a POS I was considering buying off a friend, what does netbook Bore suggest for me?

I'm looking for something that can run Windows 7 because I like the OS best.  The most I'll be doing with it will be surfing the net and watching some videos.  I'll need it to be able to handle multiple web pages being open at once, with the ability to play media in the background. 

This is going to be a secondary to my desktop PC, so storage isn't a huge deal.  I also want it to be able to last me at least 3-4 years without being too far out of date.  Price range is less than $500.

Suggestions or am I dreaming?
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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2011, 11:03:45 PM »
hp dm1z
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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2011, 08:45:25 AM »
Or anything with the same chip, E-350.

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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2011, 01:28:08 PM »
I was able to get 1080p videos play smoothly even when plugging it to my HDTV. (video was Gundam Unicorn 1080p btw.)

The trick is to use MPC-HC DXVA. I followed this guide here:  http://imouto.my/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/

However, I used CCCP and not the standalone MPC-HC, that way I won't need to manually install Haali/FFDshow Audio.

If you need further help Lyte, just post it here or PM me.

Note1: In this step --> http://chihaya.imouto.my/DXVAv01/step4part1.png if "Allow animation when buffering" is enabled, my HP dm1 will lag like a bitch so I recommend against it.
 
Note2: Another alternative method is to use CoreAVC DXVA option but it crashes for me when I set my display to extended so I went with MPC-HC DXVA.

UPDATE:

Just use latest CCCP: http://cccp-project.net/ and follow the guide here for DXVA: http://imouto.my/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/

Do everything as the guide says just don't enable 'Full Floating Point Processing'. I noticed that enabling it will make my DM1Z and even my Desktop PC all laggy.

And that should do the trick and remember, if you still notice any lag then enable/disable till you get the best results.

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Re: Netbook Bore: Is This Worth It?
« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2011, 09:16:23 PM »
So after reading these couple of pages and dealing with a POS I was considering buying off a friend, what does netbook Bore suggest for me?

I'm looking for something that can run Windows 7 because I like the OS best.  The most I'll be doing with it will be surfing the net and watching some videos.  I'll need it to be able to handle multiple web pages being open at once, with the ability to play media in the background. 

This is going to be a secondary to my desktop PC, so storage isn't a huge deal.  I also want it to be able to last me at least 3-4 years without being too far out of date.  Price range is less than $500.

Suggestions or am I dreaming?

dunno about that lame windblows but u should totally get a Samsung Series 5™

def the best notebook ever