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Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« on: March 03, 2011, 11:49:29 AM »
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i can't even remember what happened in those books, i will use the tv series to catch up if it survives past a season
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i can't even remember what happened in those books, i will use the tv series to catch up if it survives past a season

yeah, who knows what happened in books 1-3 (I never read 4 as I heard it sucked)
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and MAN does patrick rothfuss' new book start out SLOOOOOWWWWWW or what, clearly he did not put the 300 extra pages to good use
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hey, i never read 4 either on account of MOAR VIEWPOINTS. do i care what bongo del dongo third knight of the clan of poopminster did while daenerys was getting fingerfucked by a horde of lesbians NO GEORGE I DO NOT.
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after 10 years and two dozen VIEWPOINTS I kind of want him to pull a Stephen King and fart out the end of his series 1-2-3 just so we can all move on with our lives
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Can you tease something from the book?
I don’t want to spoil any surprises. I can say all the characters people have been waiting for are there: Daenerys, Jon Snow, and Tyrion. There’s also new characters, and viewpoints from characters who did not have viewpoints before.

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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2011, 02:06:15 PM »
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2011, 05:03:20 PM »
How much pedo sex is in this one?
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 08:33:21 PM »
AFFC is very good imo, and perhaps the most well written of the series. Honestly there's just one POV that's bad (Brienne). Pace wise it's similar to the first few hundred pages of Game of Thrones imo. It definitely features some of the best moments in the series, and cliff hangers
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2011, 08:50:51 PM »
I liked AFFC the second time I had read through the series. I honestly don't dislike any characters in the series (as far as reading their POV), well maybe Sansa at first but I was amazed to find I was really captured and interested in Sansa's POV the second time around. AFFC felt really introspective in regards to the POV of the characters, slow definitely after A Storm of Swords. I'm a bit saddened though that Dance with Dragon will sort of pick up? where AFFC started but from the POV's missing? After all this time I really want the story to move forward and hopefully Dance is so large because it does just that. Also gonna miss Arya :(
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2011, 08:57:32 PM »
I've yet to read this series but the Borecast informed me that it has steamy wincest.  Is it actually described in detail? 

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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 09:06:15 PM »
There's one part of the book where, to prevent a goofy baby, a character "spills his seed" on another characters (which is a family member) stomach. But I don't remember the wincest being explained in detail, just the whole black and white, old on young Daenerys scenes. Those contained giant throbbing Himuro cock.
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 01:01:16 AM »
Martin has said ADWD will detail events of the north that happened during the AFFC timeline, but it will also lap over by several months

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The book will contain the following POV characters:

Daenerys Targaryen
Jon Snow
Tyrion Lannister
Davos Seaworth
Bran Stark
Arya Stark
Asha Greyjoy, aka 'The Wayward Bride'
Theon Greyjoy, aka 'Reek'
Quentyn Martell, aka 'The Merchant's Man'
Melisandre of Asshai
Varamyr Sixskins (prologue POV)
An as-yet unidentified new POV
An as-yet unidentified epilogue POV
Cersei Lannister and an as-yet unknown number of other Feast for Crows POV characters appearing in the second half of the book.

A Dance with Dragons takes place simultaneously alongside the events of A Feast for Crows, with ADWD focusing on the North, the Free Cities and Slaver's Bay. The timespan of ADWD will be several months longer than that of AFFC, with the first half of the book (currently 800 manuscript pages) running alongside AFFC and the last half extending beyond its timespan. According to GRRM, working out the continuity issues on ADWD has been extremely complex and time-consuming.
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/5960-a-dance-with-dragons-the-latest-info-inc-pub-date/

So no worries, we'll definitely get some insight into the final events in AFFC, most notably (imo)
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Only bad thing: no Sansa POV. Definitely want to know more about Littlefinger's master plan. Oh and no Arya apparently :(
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 01:01:37 AM »
I find it hard to give a shit as I have books NINE AND FUCKING TEN in the Malazan series on the way to my house via Amazon RIGHT FUCKING NOW.  When did AFFC come out?  October 2005?  Since then, Erikson not only put out FIVE FUCKING MALAZAN BOOKS, he finished his series.  I guess it will suck that we'll never have an end to the tv series but oh well.
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 01:03:22 AM »
I'll wait for the superior tv season.
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2011, 01:04:18 AM »
too bad most People I Trust say Malazan is a giant mess
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2011, 01:12:28 AM »
too bad most People I Trust say Malazan is a giant mess

Too bad Martin's pedo trash can't even get REVIEWED at elitist book reviews.
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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2011, 01:30:30 AM »
i don't know what that means  /bones

I'm gonna check out The Name of the Wind. People I Trust give it dap. What about you, Triumph. not that i trust you of course
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2011, 02:23:20 AM »
I didn't know they were writing another Harry Potter book. Cool.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2011, 05:12:59 AM »
i don't know what that means  /bones

I'm gonna check out The Name of the Wind. People I Trust give it dap. What about you, Triumph. not that i trust you of course

"The Name of the Wind" was a good read and the second book is supposed to be out around May I think. The main character is intriguing in an Anti-Hero sort of way and the way the book sets things up is very, very nice.

I didn't know they were writing another Harry Potter book. Cool.

The only way this would be like Harry Potter is if the Weasley Brothers were 'caught rimming each other by Harry
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2011, 07:06:04 AM »
The 2nd book came out on March 1, dude. It is awesome, get on that.
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2011, 06:30:11 PM »
Dance officially finished.

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There were a few moments of George in a spare office yesterday, cleaning up the last bits and inserting a few new bits in longhand, while I typed the changes into the electronic files, but we are honestly and officially done.

And there is MUCH rejoicing!

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Re: A Dance With Dragons publishing date revealed, Triumph's loins explode
« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2011, 01:15:55 AM »
:hyper gonna pre order that shit next month.
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 04:01:38 PM »
:hyper gonna pre order that shit next month.

Why not right now? You don't get charged until it ships.
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2011, 01:38:22 AM »
:hyper gonna pre order that shit next month.

Why not right now? You don't get charged until it ships.

Really? I thought the charged you something when you made the order!
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2011, 01:39:43 AM »
Bah, I like going to bookstores. But if I go to the store there's always the chance some dumbass cashier mentions spoilers. Hmmm
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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2011, 02:44:35 AM »
put in your earphones and remain forever alone
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I loved the Bran/Rickon reveal, Theon was a fucking piece of shit asshole but I don't think he would have beheaded two kids he knew since they were babies just because they made him chase them for a day he just though that they were gone and he couldn't go back empty handed to winterfell so he came up with that brutal plan, there was a big clue that it wasn't them, the maester ask Theon to let him bury the kids next to their father and Theon denies him, he either didn't want non Starks buried in the grave of the winter kings or didn't want the maester to spend to much time with "Bran's" body.
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I loved the Bran/Rickon reveal, Theon was a fucking piece of shit asshole but I don't think he would have beheaded two kids he knew since they were babies just because they made him chase them for a day he just though that they were gone and he couldn't go back empty handed to winterfell so he came up with that brutal plan, there was a big clue that it wasn't them, the maester ask Theon to let him bury the kids next to their father and Theon denies him, he either didn't want non Starks buried in the grave of the winter kings or didn't want the maester to spend to much time with "Bran's" body.
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I liked that the way you found was via raven, the same time as everyone else. That was a neat narrative trick. But the book is sod eadly serious about it's myriad deaths that to have it be like TWO MORE OF YOUR FAVORITES ARE DEAD and then go LOL NAH was kind of lame. I also think I missed the wink and nod that it WASN'T Bran and Rickon, so.
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I missed the nod too, but in hindsight it's pretty obvious. Reek spells it out
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Yeah I became aware of the nod after they revealed the truth.
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god dammit i'm at work  :-\

the guy who does the audiobooks (sans AFFC) was supposed to play Walter Frey, but had to pull out after getting sick
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Damn! that would have been awesome!
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2011, 02:14:28 AM »
Staying the fuck out of this thread for a while!
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2011, 02:28:45 AM »
it's 'out'
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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2011, 02:52:57 AM »
anyone got a link to a good plot summary? Seems the book doesn't come with one, disappointingly. Watching the TV show put me off re-reading the prior books, which I haven't touched since Feast for Crows (in hardback, yet)
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2011, 03:08:14 AM »
Here's the blurb; it's just the typical summary you'd find on the back of the books, but I'll tag it

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In the aftermath of a colossal battle, the future of the Seven Kingdoms hangs in the balance—beset by newly emerging threats from every direction. In the east, Daenerys Targaryen, the last scion of House Targaryen, rules with her three dragons as queen of a city built on dust and death. But Daenerys has thousands of enemies, and many have set out to find her. As they gather, one young man embarks upon his own quest for the queen, with an entirely different goal in mind.

Fleeing from Westeros with a price on his head, Tyrion Lannister, too, is making his way to Daenerys. But his newest allies in this quest are not the rag-tag band they seem, and at their heart lies one who could undo Daenerys’s claim to Westeros forever.

Meanwhile, to the north lies the mammoth Wall of ice and stone—a structure only as strong as those guarding it. There, Jon Snow, 998th Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, will face his greatest challenge. For he has powerful foes not only within the Watch but also beyond, in the land of the creatures of ice.

From all corners, bitter conflicts reignite, intimate betrayals are perpetrated, and a grand cast of outlaws and priests, soldiers and skinchangers, nobles and slaves, will face seemingly insurmountable obstacles. Some will fail, others will grow in the strength of darkness. But in a time of rising restlessness, the tides of destiny and politics will lead inevitably to the greatest dance of all.

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Also for those who want to catch up without re-reading the novels, this site is quite helpful. It features chapter summaries for all the books; you could briefly look over the final chapters of ASOS and AFFC for instance, just to tune up on the cliff hangers.
http://towerofthehand.com/books/guide.html

 I just finished my re-read of AFFC, which is underrated. Older fans of the novels were clearly dismayed at the lack of continuation from ASOS's titanic events, which blurred views on the next book. AFFC doesn't have much action, but it separates itself from the previous books in prose: it's often poetic, and overall features the best writing of the series. Reviews suggest ADWD continues this pattern, as historical exposition gives way to more stirring descriptions and dialogue. 
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2011, 03:13:43 AM »
jesus, I can't remember half of this stuff. There are really characters called Dick Crabb and Shagwell? :lol
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2011, 05:07:05 AM »
And lo, there came a great silence unto Evilbore, as the Boreans torrented and read furiously, like unto an army of the undead
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2011, 06:04:09 AM »
Yeah, it seems much better written too. Far less clunky, awkward prose.
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2011, 08:44:57 AM »
My dick is hard thanks to Jon Snow badassery in his first chapters :bow2
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2011, 08:52:43 AM »
So I think is pretty obvious who young Criff is and that summary PD posted pretty much confirms it :omg
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2011, 12:13:08 PM »
Half way through the book, everything happening in the north is making me anxious.
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« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2011, 12:32:07 PM »
dammit, need to wait till Tuesday.  :(

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« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2011, 12:33:15 PM »
wait, just checked the ups tracking, it's out for delivery.  fuck ya.

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« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2011, 11:52:02 PM »
400 or so pages in...

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And GOOD FUCKING GRIEF has Martin turned Daenerys into the most unsympathetic fucking character OF ALL TIME EVER.  "Oh teh noes, I know for a fact that I'm supposed to go to Westeros and conquer the fuck out of it with my bad ass dragons, but LET ME SIT HERE IN THIS SHITTY CITY THAT WANTS ME DEAD AND TRY TO RULE IT BUT FAIL EVERYTIME.  Also, let me get the vapors about one of my dragons eating some dumb kid."  wtf, she used to be one of the best characters and is now a dithering, stupid cow.  Grow some sack, take your dragons and burinate the shit out of all your enemies, you fucking pussy.

Also getting stupid is Jon Snow.  You can tell Martin is setting him up for some sort of fall or betrayal or some shit later on in the book- he's sent all of his potential allies away other than the always amusing Dolorous Edd.  HURP A DURP I SPOSE I'LL SEND ALL MY FRIENDS AND SUPPORTERS AWAY.  Although good on him for cutting Slynt's head off.

As ever, Tyrion remains the highlight of the books, although going to the whorehouse was spectacularly stupid on his part but whatever.  Also intriguing have been the introduction of Aegon to the mix, and Davos' chapters are actually not so bad so far.  Still, I'm not as impressed with it as most people but whatever.
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2011, 10:41:18 PM »
this book is pretty...bad.
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2011, 11:14:31 PM »
Better than Feast for Crows, but that's not saying much.  Without the Tyrion chapters tho it might be unreadable.
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2011, 11:28:01 PM »
I like the Tyrion, Jon, Davos, Bran and
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The Daenerys chapters are awful, awful, awful. I'm hating her chapters more here than I did in past books. Though some of the other point of views have been hit with overly descriptive lore (like Davos). I think the world building in Tyrion's chapters have felt better than the rest.

I'm around page 350.
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2011, 11:42:06 PM »
The Bran chapters are interesting but there's only like 3 of them? compared to like 20 Dany chapters, each one more terrible than the last.  I swear I've never wanted to yell at a fictional character more.  "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONQUERING PEOPLE WITH YOUR DRAGONS, NOT TRYING TO SOOTHE EVERYONE'S FUCKING FEELINGS YOU DUMB FUCKING COW UGH"

Oh, forgot to say that I really liked the
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Re: Official A Dance With Dragons thread
« Reply #59 on: July 19, 2011, 12:05:19 AM »
Almost done, book is very good
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