Author Topic: Dragon Age 2 thread of better than DAO, real talk (Read 13938 times)

archie4208 · « **Reply #180 on:** April 05, 2011, 01:45:36 PM »

Maybe DA3 will be a return to form, being more complex than DA:O and have interesting encounters that aren't magically spawning waves.

:'(

maxy · « **Reply #181 on:** April 05, 2011, 01:52:42 PM »

Quote from: archie4208 on April 05, 2011, 01:34:24 PM

Dragon Age II is off to a great start – breaking the 1 million mark in less than two weeks and faster than Dragon Age: Origins

Please buy DA2...comes with a free game

We'll see what NPD says.

maybe :'(

demi · « **Reply #182 on:** April 05, 2011, 01:52:50 PM »

Maybe it'll be fun. Weird, I know.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #183 on:** April 07, 2011, 04:15:18 PM »

argh got my first crash in this during Merrill's act 3 boss fight. It was going so well too.

edit: wow, did not expect the quest to end this way lol

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killing everyone in the elven village

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Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #184 on:** April 09, 2011, 01:08:59 PM »

Finished this up. 45 hrs. Funny, Steam glitched out and says I only played for 28 hrs - maybe it's 'cause I'm running the open beta version.

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Would Anders have blown up the Chantry had I not helped in his quest? I have a feeling he would of done it anyway, and the game would force Civil War to break out either way - gotta set up DA3, right!

In that regard, it does give an illusion of choice, as in this shit is gonna break out no matter what, but you can choose a side if you want.

Also, seriously, once the Qun leave and Act 3 hits, Kirkwall plunges straight into an idiocrasy. Every leader has some sort of mad agenda. I mean they sort of explain it away with the Lyrium idol tainting Meredith's mind, though it would have been nice if it didn't come down to some contrived evil force for once. This is the problem with having a fixed narrative set up to span multiple games, the player can't really end it the way he wants to. I would have preferred to take down Meredith, appoint Thrask/Cullen as Knight-Commander, making the Templars more lenient toward mages, and then everyone livies happily ever after... lol. Of course, this is impossible in the context of a game like this - you just gotta roll with it.

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If you leave aside expectations of what a DA sequel should be, the game is decent. I mean I have no hankering to play it again, as I did with DAO, but that's because so much of the game takes place in one location with the same dungeons over and over, with a battle system based on respawning waves rather than encounter design.

The lore is fantastic and I wish I had read more of the codex entries, but they tease a vast complex world that hardly materialises within the game. This complaint can be called out against DAO and most other rpgs too, but is more apparent in this game, where much of the attention is focused on a smaller dispute that only leads on to greater things once the game ends. A precursor to the main event.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #185 on:** April 09, 2011, 02:30:04 PM »

The thing about DA2 is that none of yoru choices affect anything in this game. Anders still turns into a idiot, everything happens. It's lazy game development and sucks.

For example I bet I could say my ending of DA:O and it would be different from almost everyone elses. Everyones DA2 ending is the exact same.

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Anders blows up the chantry, you fight orsino, then meredith, you find out at the end that Leliana is working with that french short hair twat and nothing else

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there is no individuality, no seperation, just desperation.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #186 on:** April 09, 2011, 02:36:12 PM »

While I didn't agree with all the things the guy said in the rps analysis the one I did agree with is simply the name of the game. Which is really about expectations. If this game was called Dragon Age:Kirkwall and it was it sort of sold as another deeper expansion like awakenings telling a side story in this universe I wouldn't have had a problem with it. (In retrospect I was probably a little too harsh on awakenings. At least that product is a bit more honest about what it really is) Or at least I would have less of a problem with it. But when you call it Dragon Age 2 you are implying that its going to be more epic and bigger and badder in nearly all ways than the original. That's the whole point of sticking a 2 in the title. But its not. That was purely for marketing purposes. It feels like an expansion pack or a sidestory in the universe in nearly all ways which isn't surprising given the dev time put towards it.

Different genre but compare this experience to Dead Space 2 which did feel bigger and badder than the original. That's what you expect from a sequel.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #187 on:** April 09, 2011, 02:46:19 PM »

Quote from: The Worst Poster Ever on April 09, 2011, 02:30:04 PM

The thing about DA2 is that none of yoru choices affect anything in this game.

Yeah, they try and give the illusion of choice, but your decisions make no difference to the story arc because a specific event has to occur for the follow up game.

demi · « **Reply #188 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:28:21 PM »

None of your choices affect DAO as well. I know, weird. I still had to fight a Dragon? O_o

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #189 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:29:59 PM »

Quote from: demi on April 09, 2011, 03:28:21 PM

None of your choices affect DAO as well. I know, weird. I still had to fight a Dragon? O_o

Yes they do. They totally do. It depends on whose king, who kills the dragon, what you do with Morrigan etc etc etc.

Are you purposelly distinguished mentally-challenged or do you just like to play one on the internet?

demi · « **Reply #190 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:32:23 PM »

What does any of that affect? The end result is the same. I still fight the dragon.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #191 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:33:13 PM »

It effects the cutscenes, the story, the future of the lore, etc, wheres in Dragon Age nothing changes ever.

Are you seriously going to argue that DA:O has a static ending? I'm not talking about the boss fight, that's stupid, but all the cutscenes etc change.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #192 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:34:26 PM »

wheres in Dragon Age 2 nothing changes*

demi · « **Reply #193 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:34:54 PM »

I did all the endings for the achievements and it still wound up the same. Everyone had a party.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #194 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:39:11 PM »

But the way you got to the party and who was there etc etc and the end text of where everyone was was different, compared to DA2 where nothign ever changes no matter what.

DA2 is a bad game. if you like it you have shit taste in video games.

demi · « **Reply #195 on:** April 09, 2011, 03:41:27 PM »

HOW I got to the party, how riveting.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #196 on:** April 10, 2011, 05:26:33 AM »

Thing is, there was an awesome bit near the end of DAO where you get to decide the fate of Loghain and much of Ferelden. There was no such thing in DA2. It would be forgivable if this was an expandalone. But when you put a 2 at the end of it, people expect better.

The final boss fight is better than Origins, but the lead up to it felt lazy. A contrived final third so they can set up DA3.

ME2 does this as well, I think. Somehow that was easier to swallow than this. Maybe cause that had the benefit of a longer dev time, less recycled areas, more interesting cast - the fact that a suicide mission sounded cheesy and romantic enough to work within its fiction.

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #197 on:** April 30, 2011, 06:57:31 PM »

Demi is the only worthwhile thing in this thread.

Game was good and an improvement on orignins in most ways.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #198 on:** June 14, 2011, 09:11:05 AM »

How about not rushing out the next one.

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EA has admitted it "lost some fans" with the release of fantasy role-playing game Dragon Age 2.

Dragon Age 2 launched in March to mixed reviews. Eurogamer's Dragon Age 2 review turned up an 8/10.

Many fans complained at the re-use of environments and the single city setting of Kirkwall.

"We were clearly disappointed with some of the response from the fanbase, because we want them to be as excited about it as we are," EA Games Label boss Frank Gibeau told Eurogamer.

"We're very proud of the game. We tried to innovate and do some different things with the combat system and some of the way we told story. For some fans it worked well. In fact, we brought a lot of new fans into the Dragon Age franchise.

"But to be honest, we lost some fans as well. They were not pleased with some of the innovations and things we'd done. We understand that and we're listening."

EA will take on fan feedback for Dragon Age 3, Gibeau promised.

"As we think about where we take the franchise next, we're going to take that into consideration and really engage them," he said.

"Ray [Muzyka] and Greg [Zeschuk] have built a long career being close to their fanbase and understanding what they want. If they do something in a direction that is innovative and fresh for some but not for others, they'll take that into consideration as we think about the next design and where the game goes from here."

Last month a tweet revealed BioWare was looking for staff to work on Dragon Age 3.

In a Dragon Age II interview with Eurogamer, lead designer Mike Laidlaw said the developer had "ideas" for a sequel and protagonist Hawke.

What about multiplayer?

"Long-term that's something we have to consider," he said, "because obviously multiplayer is something that's a huge undertaking, it presents technical difficulty. And frankly it's something that if done, has to be done really well, otherwise it feels very tacked on. So we'll have to make any decision about that within that context."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-14-ea-we-lost-some-fans-with-dragon-age-2

demi · « **Reply #199 on:** June 14, 2011, 09:45:45 AM »

Fan Feedback: Don't make it like DAO1, it was awful.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #200 on:** June 14, 2011, 09:51:38 AM »

You're not a fan if you did't like it

archie4208 · « **Reply #201 on:** June 14, 2011, 10:38:41 AM »

ANOTHER WAVE

demi · « **Reply #202 on:** June 14, 2011, 10:55:27 AM »

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 14, 2011, 09:51:38 AM

You're not a fan if you did't like it

DAO2 is amazing. I'd gladly give fan feedback to make it as far from the abysmal DAO1.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #203 on:** June 14, 2011, 11:33:45 AM »

DAO2

demi · « **Reply #204 on:** June 25, 2011, 10:12:12 PM »

Doesnt matter. The experience is the same - better than DAO

archie4208 · « **Reply #205 on:** June 26, 2011, 08:37:18 AM »

The Fade

Generic hallway 13

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #206 on:** June 28, 2011, 11:15:09 PM »

Quote from: The Business on June 25, 2011, 01:34:43 PM

I just found out this is on Mac too. Should I play on Mac or 360?

I would honestly suggest not playing it. But maybe that's just me being a hater.

Himu · « **Reply #207 on:** June 29, 2011, 05:15:35 PM »

Stoney, what'd you think of DA2? I remember you not being big on DAO? Did you play DAO on console or pc? I loved the original game but I played it on pc.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #208 on:** June 29, 2011, 05:18:05 PM »

Quote from: The Business on June 29, 2011, 05:13:16 PM

Done. I trust you, Stoney.

I may have been in a crabby mood that night...

The game is just frustrating. It's like a 40 hour experience but none of it is memorable. There are worse ways you could spend your gaming time but honestly I've already forgotten just about everything about that game. It's really bland. If you're dying to play an RPG I would give it a go. If you have more interesting things to do with your life or current games I would say give it a pass. I have a feeling Dragon Age 3 will be one of those games where its a clear apology for what they did in 2 and it will be a lot better.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on June 29, 2011, 05:15:35 PM

Stoney, what'd you think of DA2? I remember you not being big on DAO? Did you play DAO on console or pc? I loved the original game but I played it on pc.

I played it on the PC. I loved the original game also. It was not perfect but there was some heart and soul to it. Dragon Age 2 while competent has almost no soul and heart to it.

If you can play it for a crazy cheap price then go ahead but don't spend actual decent money on it.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #209 on:** June 29, 2011, 05:23:54 PM »

Treat it like a spin-off: play it if want to experience more of the lore, but be aware that it has different gameplay priorities -- not all of them bad, I might add.

Or alternatively, wait for (hopefully), the true DA sequel.

Stoney Mason · « **Reply #210 on:** June 29, 2011, 05:29:55 PM »

Quote from: Herr Mafflard on June 29, 2011, 05:23:54 PM

Treat it like a spin-off: play it if want to experience more of the lore, but be aware that it has different gameplay priorities -- not all of them bad, I might add.

Or alternatively, wait for (hopefully), the true DA sequel.

Yeah there became this whole Witcher 2 versus Dragon Age 2 debate where one game is the good guy and the other game is the villain but honestly its like comparing apples and oranges. Dragon Age being disappointing has nothing to do with the Witcher 2. It's disappointing on its own merits. It simply was a rushed product. That's why its disappointing. The flaws are a direct result of being rushed.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #211 on:** June 29, 2011, 06:26:07 PM »

The best thing about that was that you got people who lambasted DA2's faster paced combat, but then in the same breath extolled the virtues of Witcher 2 (our savior of cRPGs at the time), a game who's fundamental change from the its previous entry was that it would have a more action-oriented (you might say consolized

) combat system. Now tell me if you can't see the irony in that.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #212 on:** July 08, 2011, 01:33:43 PM »

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #213 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:10:44 PM »

DA2 is so barren and disjointed that it's depressing.

-You have a huge, sprawling city that's the bulk of the game world
-You can't talk to anyone or do anything.

I have no connection to the game world. None. My characters have just been thrown out there and some stuff happens to them but most of it happens in flash-animated cutscenes. There's a city full of people but I can't talk to anyone or go inside any buildings, except for the brothel but there's nothing going on there either. Bioware should be embarrassed to put their name on this game after Baldur's Gate II.

I don't like the changes to the combat system either, but I might have been able to forgive that if anything in this game showed even an ounce of effort.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #214 on:** February 03, 2012, 08:14:18 PM »

"Your characters went on some awesome adventures for a whole year, you'll just have to take my word for it, though, because we don't care enough to actually show you any of that."

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