Nintendo 360 console thread(GI rumor:possible final name...Nintendo)

[Stoney Mason]

I'm sorry. Technlogy is great, but abuse of technlogy ruins shit.

It has gotten to the point where Sega isn't willing to put out Virtua Fighter 5's latest iterations to home consoles. Bigger production values, bigger need to recoup costs resulting in less risk, higher development times, more expensive games that usually aren't worth $60; bigger need to recoup costs means takeing longer for a price drop and more.

On almost every single area from gameplay quality, to amount of content, to accessability and dumbing games down, to sticking to ONE genre (for the most part) because it's the most popular and devs need to get paid to the point of overexposure...

I don't see any advantage to the game fan, personally, and not the technlogy whore, if console gaming continues down this road.

While I'm probably not as anti-graphics as you are there is something to be said for some gamers insistence on world beating graphics, 50 hour content, and amazing diversity in the marketplace and innovation while seeming to ignore what these demands create.

There is a connection between graphics being the only thing that seems to matter from some gamers, massive increase in dev teams especially on the art side, and a bit less innovation in games. Because to create these beautiful worlds you need lots of artists pumping out and refining that art. Or you need longer dev cycles which is also more money. There is a connection here between graphics and dev team size and what a game suddenly costs from the development side. Which is why I'm glad services like XBLA and PSN exist. In fact one of the rather large decision on whether I buy the next Microsoft system is not the level of graphical fidelity in the system. I'm sure that will be fine for my tastes. It's whether my XBLA content I've purchased will be brought over to the next system and it will work properly.

[Himu]

It's not that I'm anti-graphics. I can appreciate graphics pretty easily as I'm a highly visual person. I just hate that sometimes it feels like the technlogy gets in the way of the game development. Which is purely anecdotal and concidental on my part because I have no clue what goes on during game development.

But when a game has a budget of a hollywood film and it comes out with less content than previous games, what the hell am I supposed to think? Hence, I throw my angst towards the emphasis on cutting edge tech that is in gaming culture.

I love new tech as much as the next guy. I just dislike sacrifice and backpedaling. I prefer progress.

[Madrun Badrun]

ya and I know the use in that; a port of crystal chronicals now with HD textures (and nothing else).

fallout 4, pip boy right in the controller

rpg inventory screens in general

sports playbooks

maps, gps in open world games

lots of stuff that can be done with a secondary screen

Sorry I didn't make it clear.  You are talking about how it could be used I am talking about how it will be used.

[Himu]

I'm sorry. Technlogy is great, but abuse of technlogy ruins shit.

It has gotten to the point where Sega isn't willing to put out Virtua Fighter 5's latest iterations to home consoles. Bigger production values, bigger need to recoup costs resulting in less risk, higher development times, more expensive games that usually aren't worth $60; bigger need to recoup costs means takeing longer for a price drop and more.

On almost every single area from gameplay quality, to amount of content, to accessability and dumbing games down, to sticking to ONE genre (for the most part) because it's the most popular and devs need to get paid to the point of overexposure...

I don't see any advantage to the game fan, personally, and not the technlogy whore, if console gaming continues down this road.

While I'm probably not as anti-graphics as you are there is something to be said for some gamers insistence on world beating graphics, 50 hour content, and amazing diversity in the marketplace and innovation while seeming to ignore what these demands create.

There is connection between graphics being the only thing that seems to matter from some gamers, massive increase in dev teams especially on the art side, and a bit less innovation in games. Because to create these beautiful worlds you need lots of artists pumping out and refining that art. Or you need longer dev cycles which is also more money. There is a connection here between graphics and dev team size and what a game suddenly costs. Which is why I'm glad services like XBLA and PSN exist. In fact one of the rather large decision on whether I buy the next Microsoft system is not the level of graphical fidelity in the system. I'm sure that will be fine for my tastes. It's whether my XBLA content I've purchased will be brought over to the next system and it will work properly.

Completely agreed especially about the dd services.

[Damian79]

Spending more money to make art assets doesn't mean you give less attention to the actual game, just means you have more art. The same amount of people are still working on core mechanics, whats so hard to understand?

It's not like throwing extra money on producers etc will result in much extra. You can only have so many leaders and visionaries on a team anyway, there is no added benefit to have more.

I wish this was the case but the fact that we have never had climbing  cliffs in a RPG since Gothic 2 says otherwise.

[maxy]

better graphics is the ONLY reason to give a fuck about new consoles, controls have been perfect since dual analogs took over

+1000000

Fuck all those "innovation",novelty obsessed cretins that have come out of woodwork this gen.Dual analogs work perfectly,console without them=shit console

Next gen console without dual analogs=no buy

Dual analogs ftw

[Damian79]

Dual analog for me provides as much immersion as a rubix cube while watching a movie.  Makes gaming almost no different than watching a movie or reading a book.  Though that isnt a bad thing if you want to relax.

[magus]

HD screen? more like

[maxy]

Waggle is not going away,touchscreen will be incorporated into waggle design.

There is a rumor about using blu-ray,most likely in Wii like way(DVD player that can't play DVDs)

heh

[Herr Mafflard]

Wii is a novelty console that works well with novelty games. Motion controls suck for anything other than Wii Sports shovelware and stupid dance games.

I tried playing Goldeneye the other day and I was constantly fighting the controls. How anyone can say it's more accessible and immersive than dual analogs I can never understand.

[Herr Mafflard]

Also,  this

You're a slave to love, the grind, or '80s metal, sure --but are you also a slave to videogames? It's a familiar critique ('You're not playing the game; the game is playing you'), but one that seems increasingly to the point. Take the fashion for motion control. If you are sprawled at princely ease, pressing small buttons to achieve dramatic effects, then you are in command. By contrast, if you have to use your whole body as the controller, you are a slave, just in the way that slaves in the ancient world were valued to the extent that they were bodies from which a certain amount of physical work could be extracted before their unmourned demise.

The Wii or Kinect or Move system dilutes one of the core pleasures of videogaming: amplification of input, the translation of tiny physical actions into complex or forceful virtual performance. Lara Croft, or that bland-faced 'hero' of Uncharted: they are your puppets, performing impressive acrobatics for little cost or effort on your part; but if you had to imitate all their actions physically, you would be just as much a puppet as they are.

[maxy]

Waggle lovers need not to worry

Sources have this morning confirmed reports that Nintendo has a successor to the Wii in the works, telling us that thirdparty studios including those of Ubisoft, Activision and Electronic Arts have had development units of the new hardware for months.

They have also claimed that the system retains motion control, with capabilities that are “better than Move”, meaning that they boast higher fidelity. We do not yet have word on whether or not its motion-controlled solution introduces a camera.

http://www.next-gen.biz/news/sources-confirm-more-details-on-wii-successor

[magus]

i was going to make a joke about how they were going to add mountain sports to the mix but then i remembered that awful mario & sonic winter olympic game happened and now that joke is not funny anymore

[Damian79]

Dual analog for me provides as much immersion as a rubix cube while watching a movie.  Makes gaming almost no different than watching a movie or reading a book.  Though that isnt a bad thing if you want to relax.

Ehn, most games have win/lose conditions which differentiate the experience from passive forms of entertainment.  I mean, you're not really going to tell me Ninja Gaiden is more relaxing than Wii Sports Resort, are you?

To be sure, buttons provide less physical immersion, but the response time (which is often reflected by the game being able to challenge the player to more specific tasks requiring quickness) greatly contributes to "sucking you in" mentally.  A gamer in the zone has usually gone beyond the controller, mentally speaking. 

Ninja Gaiden isnt relaxing because its hard not because of the actual gameplay.   As for "sucking you in" same could be said for movies and books.

[AdmiralViscen]

I think both options should be mandatory.  I can see why people like dual analog, because motion controls are tiring even when used correctly.  But it is much less immersive.  I mean you never feel like you are shooting a gun or using a sword with dual analog.

Why is this important past age 12.

Hell, these days, age 10? 12 year olds now are looking at porn and their hand is no pussy

[Himu]

i'm so confused by damian.

who cares about immersion.

[Great Rumbler]

I feel plenty of immersion with a regular controller [or a mouse] in my hands, thank you. Don't need to swing my controller around all over the place or turn it sideways and pretend to be a gangster to achieve that.

[maxy]

Damian is a very strange person.


Anyway more juicy rumors,these come from from website that leaked PSP2 specs
Crazy rumor,damn french

    * the console is codenamed "Project Café"
    * will be introduced at E3 2011
    * architecture is very similar to the Xbox 360; the Café is a bit more powerful than the 360
    * porting current xbox 360 titles to the Café should be very easy
    * should be retro-compatible with GameCube and Wii games, and support all Wii peripherals
    * Specs : CPU is custom IBM PowerPC with three cores, GPU should be an ATI from the R700 family, with a shader unit at version 4.1. Ram should be at least 512 Mb.
    * the controller is a touch tablet, with moderate graphic output (appears to be sub-HD, so nothing comparable to an Ipad, for example.)
    * controller specs : 6-inch screen, single touch (so no multitouch, it seems), front camera, acts as a wii sensor bar, has a d-pad, two bumpers, two triggers, possibly more.
    * should be released in June of 2012 (for Japan ?), and holiday season (in the West ?)
    * there is another big surprise they can't talk about just yet

http://www.01net.com/editorial/531660/project-cafe-toutes-les-infos-sur-la-wii-2-de-nintendo/

Radeon HD 4000 series,hmm

Some things sound weird,but we shall see...

Using Power PC cores would make BC easier and even more importantly it would make porting from 360 easy.

Maybe that is Nintendo third party strategy,system could easily launch with games like GTA 4(5),Saints Row 3,Skyrim,Mass Effect 2,3 etc
+whatever will be on 360 at launch time
+Nintendo first party games

Lots of those games will be old by then but who cares...they can add some gimmicks

I don't believe that third-party will give Super Wii some huge blockbuster games,if they plan to release them they will be multiplatform.
So why not use situation to your advantage.

No moneyhatting could make game like GTA 5 exclusive to Super Wii.So the best thing is to say "hey guys,making a game for 360?Make it for our platform too,easy stuff"

Super Wii would get better looking version,360 would follow,PS3 gets short end of the stick

Everybody happy

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[archie4208]

Those specs seem very modest for 2012 hardware.  I was expecting Core i5, ~2 gigs ram and ATI ~5870 equivalents.

[maxy]

Those specs seem very modest for 2012 hardware.  I was expecting Core i5, ~2 gigs ram and ATI ~5870 equivalents.

And who will feed and cool that monster(in a small box)?.This is Nintendo we are talking about,Wii uses like 20 Watts.

My prediction,3DS vs PSP situation will repeat...people that dream about some insane specs will be disappointed

I could be wrong,hopefully i am.Insane Nintendo specs would force others to match them.

[Mr. Gundam]

If its just a 360 this is a massive fail.

It sounds like a desperate move to me.

Would they even make Wii games anymore? "Thanks for buying our system, but now you have to buy the Super Wii if you want to play new stuff!"

[Robo]

12 year olds now are looking at porn and their hand is no pussy

 

[Van Cruncheon]

R700 series in the mid-range butchers the 360 and PS3 gpu performance. (a 4650/4670 is an order of magnitude beefier than xenos or the rsx. even the mobility versions with their downclock and halved bus widths will beast all over today's hd console gpu solutions.)

[Mrbob]

It does but a R700 series gpu for a new console?  I'm going to take that info with a grain of salt because R800 should be the bare minimum in 2012.  Also R800 series brought forth ATI's Evergreen line of video cards which have low power and high performance so you would think Nintendo would look into something like that.  If it is R700 based it better be based around a more powerful version of the 4890.  512MB of Ram is more distressing to me though.  System needs at least 1GB and I would prefer 2GB.

Controller input does sound interesting, and I'm hoping it is more like a traditional controller than the wii mote.  I don't have much interest in waggling around a wand.   

[maxy]

R700 series has some really great GPUs.Couple it with few out of order Power PC cores(high clock,beefed a little) add decent amount of fast memory

=win

Hopefully they have 1GB+...that would make a nice little console

True 720p console in fact

[Mrbob]

Yeah I don't want to make it sound like it would be a terrible combo because if Nintendo is targeting 720P as the main resolution then it would do great.  I'm projecting long term it seems to be a bit under powered when we look into 2014/2015 time frame and also the fact reports are going out the system can also handle 1080P makes me want something more than a R700 inside.

Ram is the big key.  I'd rather have a system with a custom r700 series inside of it and 1GB+ ram than custom r800 and 512mb.  Of course I'd rather have both but this is Nintendo. 

[Eel O'Brian]

I don't buy that 6 inch touch screen rumor, too big, controller would be too unwieldy

more likely a 3.5 inch screen, ipod touch size

single input touch i do buy, typical nintendo gimping

[maxy]

IGN says this

There will be first and third party "Wii 2" games at E3. No clue if they'll be playable.

Wii dropped like a rock.

[Raban]

Zelda: Skyward Sword canceled for Wii to be Wii 2 launch title?

deja vu

[Diunx]

at people getting excited about a 2012 console being slightly more powerful than a 2005 one.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

at people getting excited about a 2012 console being slightly more powerful than a 2005 one.

it's amazing! who knew a computer could ever be more powerful than the Xbox 360

[archie4208]

Pacther did say nobody owns a computer more powerful than a PS3. 

[magus]

Wii Play in HD! think of the amazing graphix!!!

[Van Cruncheon]

It does but a R700 series gpu for a new console?  I'm going to take that info with a grain of salt because R800 should be the bare minimum in 2012.  Also R800 series brought forth ATI's Evergreen line of video cards which have low power and high performance so you would think Nintendo would look into something like that.  If it is R700 based it better be based around a more powerful version of the 4890.  512MB of Ram is more distressing to me though.  System needs at least 1GB and I would prefer 2GB.

Controller input does sound interesting, and I'm hoping it is more like a traditional controller than the wii mote.  I don't have much interest in waggling around a wand.   

like nintendo would pay for anything in the high-end of gpus, even older models. we'll be lucky if it isn't a rebadged mobility gpu!

IF this rumor is true -- and an R7XX is a weird call even if it has cheap existing fab lines simply because fab lines for R8XX are just as cheap and available -- don't expect anything above a 4670. you can get just the chip for like $35, which is about nintendo's typical budget WHEN they are feeling spendy. you won't get a 4870 or 5870 (or the mobility versions of them) because they still cost an arm and a leg to produce (by nintendo's cheap ass standards)

[Beezy]

at people getting excited about a 2012 console being slightly more powerful than a 2005 one.

it's amazing! who knew a computer could ever be more powerful than the Xbox 360

Reason why people are excited is cause it's Nintendo, which they didn't expect to ever have a proper, powerful system. Don't be daft.

Something that's "a bit more powerful than the 360" in 2012 is not a proper, powerful system.

[Van Cruncheon]

my money says you get brazos/zacate + 6310. does ibm still put ANY real r&d into ppc variants?

[Van Cruncheon]

I don't think any sane gamers (ie: most of the bore's community) bitched about the power of the NGP 

Power is a good thing.  It's when it gets in the way of accessibility/affordability when it starts to bother me.  One of the things I dislike about the 3DS.  But I got it for 40 bucks so nevermind 

power didn't get in the way of the 3ds affordability -- the bom for it is cheap cheap cheap, even if the posited numbers that were being circulated were estimates. nintendo got in the way of affordability, because they are a fucking corporation with shareholders, which ninthings would do well to remember (despite their pervasive belief that the company *is* actually run by mario, or at least by a couple of game-lovin' jappy gents. even miyamoto-sama would fuck your manchild ass to eke out a few extra yen in the quarterly dividends, because he is the EMPLOYEE of a CORPORATION.)

[MCD]

We all gonna buy it for the next Zelda/Mario/Nintendoscam game and sell it after a year, no need to discuss this anymore.

[Rman]

I don't think any sane gamers (ie: most of the bore's community) bitched about the power of the NGP 

Power is a good thing.  It's when it gets in the way of accessibility/affordability when it starts to bother me.  One of the things I dislike about the 3DS.  But I got it for 40 bucks so nevermind 

power didn't get in the way of the 3ds affordability -- the bom for it is cheap cheap cheap, even if the posited numbers that were being circulated were estimates. nintendo got in the way of affordability, because they are a fucking corporation with shareholders, which ninthings would do well to remember (despite their pervasive belief that the company *is* actually run by mario, or at least by a couple of game-lovin' jappy gents. even miyamoto-sama would fuck your manchild ass to eke out a few extra yen in the quarterly dividends, because he is the EMPLOYEE of a CORPORATION.)

Miyamoto would be vested by now too.  Not sure, though.  Japanese corporations have esoteric operating rules.

[Van Cruncheon]

it cracks me up that gaftards expect a 4870/5870 gpu when the 3ds received what is inarguably the cheapest and crappiest "modern" mobile gpu solution on the market.

[Damian79]

I expect all their games to be 1080p and still look like a wii game.  Doesnt bother me.  They just need to make good controls this time.

[Trent Dole]

So will there be an actual goddamn hard drive or at least decent and upgradeable storage space on this thing? Considering that the current distinguished mentally-challenged fellow pack configuration of the 360 comes with 4 GB on board for $200 they have no fucking excuse.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

You guys have some high expectations.

Remember this is Nintendo.  The last three machines they put out were underpowered hardware with a gimmick thrown in.  These last three systems were huge successes (well, the jury will be out on the 3DS in a while), the largest successes financially that Nintendo ever had, far more than the best of the best of the NES days.  People thinking that this is going to be some beast of a console is lying to themselves.  It's like the Sonic cycle.  Expect a middling PS3/low level 360 system without the integrated online community.  And you will still pay $5 for Super Mario Brothers on their new Virtual Console.  Expect that these clowns will still think that a new Animal Crossing will satiate the hunger of their hardcore base while grandma is boogieing down with Just Dance 5.

[Damian79]

Agreed.

[Powerslave]

Damn, it's that time again? A bit too soon, this forces the process of creating the PS4 to speed up.
Not interested in Nintendo's gimmicky hardwares. A 6 inch screen on the controller you say? Cool story bro.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I dunno guys. Sword fighting in wii sports resort was pretty fun.

And someone make a mock up of this thing.  Its a motion controller with a front facing camera, 6 inch touchscreen, 2 dpad, 2 trigger, etc etc.
...
Wtf?  I can not picture this,

[MCD]

Can AA batteries even hold that much stuff?

[Damian79]

Ninja Gaiden isnt relaxing because its hard not because of the actual gameplay.   As for "sucking you in" same could be said for movies and books.

So then you agree that immersion doesn't require motion controls, and that using sticks and buttons doesn't necessarily imply relaxation vs motion controls... i dunno, hardcore-ass concentration?

Yeah.  I guess immersion isnt the word i should have used.  What is the word for feeling like you are there and actually participating?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Ninja Gaiden isnt relaxing because its hard not because of the actual gameplay.   As for "sucking you in" same could be said for movies and books.

So then you agree that immersion doesn't require motion controls, and that using sticks and buttons doesn't necessarily imply relaxation vs motion controls... i dunno, hardcore-ass concentration?

Yeah.  I guess immersion isnt the word i should have used.  What is the word for feeling like you are there and actually participating?

"being 9"

[EmCeeGrammar]

Don't listen to him damian, dude likes Kingdom Hearts ffs.

[pilonv1]

So what happens when 360 ports don't sell on this new Nintendo platform? What excuse will be used then?

[MCD]

Kingdom Hearts > Mario.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Kingdom Hearts > Mario.

I'd rather play Imagine Babyz than another Kingdom Hearts game ever. 

[Van Cruncheon]

Ninja Gaiden isnt relaxing because its hard not because of the actual gameplay.   As for "sucking you in" same could be said for movies and books.

So then you agree that immersion doesn't require motion controls, and that using sticks and buttons doesn't necessarily imply relaxation vs motion controls... i dunno, hardcore-ass concentration?

Yeah.  I guess immersion isnt the word i should have used.  What is the word for feeling like you are there and actually participating?

"being 9"

annihilated

[Sho Nuff]

I wonder how long the battery life will last with a full screen on the controller.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Don't listen to him Damian, dude has manga collections and yugioh games and an embarrassing amagalmation of animu softwares.

[EmCeeGrammar]

It sounds like they are going to be packing two controller archetypes into the box.  A new improved wiimote and a virtual boy pad with a screen on it.

[Himu]

Don't listen to him damian, dude likes Kingdom Hearts ffs.

i remember when he flipped out because of spoilers in the kingdom hearts 2 thread at gaf

what a cutie

[EmCeeGrammar]

GOOFY DIES
GOOFY DIES
GOOFY DIES 

:'( :'( :'(

oh psyche lulz
Thats some 7 year old shit.

[EmCeeGrammar]

People freaking out because they are told Goofy gets a rock to the head and passes out is immature manbaby behaviour.  Doesn't help that  a) they are playing a Kingdom Hearts game in the first place b) care about a game story too.