Nintendo 360 console thread(GI rumor:possible final name...Nintendo)

[Mrbob]

Well my interest in waning with each new piece of hardware info coming out.  R700 based and only 512MB of ram.  I can't believe Nintendo is so short sighted again as lack of ram is an issue now.  Pathetic.  Of course I shouldn't be surprised considering Nintendo's recent hardware.  3DS only has 128MB of RAM why should I expect Nintendo to splurge for 1GB for their console. 

Sony should just push move and keep the PS3 going till 2018 now.  They have a 50 million unit head start. 

[Bebpo]

Eh, still should be good enough to get a nice looking 720p Mario.

[pilonv1]

the only place sony's gonna be able to push move is into landfills

no one gives a fuck about it at all

bubububububu it shipped 8million units!

[Mrbob]

the only place sony's gonna be able to push move is into landfills

no one gives a fuck about it at all

I was being sarcastic as I hate motion controls.  Sony have little incentive to offer a new console though if these hardware specs are true.

[Bebpo]

I'm pretty sure this is the reason Wii/3DS first party plates have been so dead for the last year+  All the real teams like the guys who do Galaxy are probably working on first year Wii2 stuff.  Since, like the early years of the PS3/X360, Nintendo J-devs have no idea what shaders are and how to program for anything above a PS2 it's going to take a while to get their games out.

I hope Wii2 launches with Pikmin 3.  They've been hyping it for years now.  Also, I'd like an HD upgraded Skyword Sword like Wii TP.

[Damian79]

Virtual reality?

I suppose it is in a way.  I guess what we all want is that feeling without the effort which is really impossible.  So i guess a half way solution i sprobably the best we can get.  A new kind of power glove for both hands in a nice cloth like material is probably the best solution but it think that is too far away.

[cool breeze]

People actually believe wii/kinect/move controls to the immersion? there's no resistance to any of the actions and all actions are relative.  the best part about the wii, and motion controls in general so far, has been the pointer controls.  but pointer controls are kinda busted for any traditional games that require camera movement. That's why the light gun shooters and RE4 work well on the system.  Otherwise it's pretty unwieldy despite the added precision and it all comes at the cost of comfort.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Well my interest in waning with each new piece of hardware info coming out.  R700 based and only 512MB of ram.  I can't believe Nintendo is so short sighted again as lack of ram is an issue now.  Pathetic.  Of course I shouldn't be surprised considering Nintendo's recent hardware.  3DS only has 128MB of RAM why should I expect Nintendo to splurge for 1GB for their console. 

Sony should just push move and keep the PS3 going till 2018 now.  They have a 50 million unit head start. 

Wow, even my statement about the Wiii having mid level PS3 performance was overstating it.  I wonder if people will buy the "Nintendo got the best ram possible!" excuse like they did for the GameCube.  We all know they will.

So we're talking about maybe an Xbox 1.5 that occasionally puts out 720p HD games.  Not like Miis need to benefit from HD graphics.

[Van Cruncheon]

the r700 -- even a low clock, low bw model -- will shit on the rsx+cell. the ps3 itself is getting pretty long in the tooth; same for the 360. keep your nasty stipple gradients and low fp shader ops, console tards

[Rman]

I'm actually more curious at Sony/MS's next CPU/GPU chipsets.  Any speculation, Drinky, on what roadmap either company might jump on?  I don't think either platform holder will go the budget route as Nintendo is known for, even though every armchair Internet gaming analysis believe that Sony and Microsoft's jump will be modest.

[Purple Filth]

the only place sony's gonna be able to push move is into landfills

no one gives a fuck about it at all

well they got some suckers to buy 8 million of them 

[Bildi]

And someone make a mock up of this thing.  Its a motion controller with a front facing camera, 6 inch touchscreen, 2 dpad, 2 trigger, etc etc.
...
Wtf?  I can not picture this,

Get onto this, Powerslave.

[Diunx]

at people getting excited about a 2012 console being slightly more powerful than a 2005 one.

it's amazing! who knew a computer could ever be more powerful than the Xbox 360

Reason why people are excited is cause it's Nintendo, which they didn't expect to ever have a proper, powerful system. Don't be daft.

But in 2012 that wouldn't be a proper, powerful system.

[tiesto]

I think both options should be mandatory.  I can see why people like dual analog, because motion controls are tiring even when used correctly.  But it is much less immersive.  I mean you never feel like you are shooting a gun or using a sword with dual analog.

I'd be thrilled with a further refinement of a dual analog pad... seems that every game system's pad has a few flaws in it that keep it from being 100%. Take the 360 pad, make it much lighter and the grips more comfortable, and improve the dpad... and you'll have the perfect controller. Pointer functionality is very good (and useful for quite a few genres), that's something I'd like to see next gen, but waggle is slow and inaccurate and just plain shitty.

[Mrbob]

the r700 -- even a low clock, low bw model -- will shit on the rsx+cell. the ps3 itself is getting pretty long in the tooth; same for the 360. keep your nasty stipple gradients and low fp shader ops, console tards

Right.  However it looks like Nintendo didn't take a leap in an area which matters....ram.  512mb sucks plain and simple and will lead to bottlenecks.  Nintendo needs Epic to tell them to double the ram before launch like they did with MS and the 360.  1GB of Ram in the Super Wii will do wonders, especially when the console is trumped by future Sony/MS efforts.  Extra ram will allow the device to keep up, especially if the target is 720P.

[Mrbob]

Well to be fair the Super Wii should be powerful enough to hit 720P.  Not be sub HD consoles like the 360 and PS3. 

But yeah whichever console is going to give me 1080P and 30 to 60FPS locked games gets my attention.  Until then I stay mostly on the PC. 

If Nintendo's goal is to recapture the hardcore market I'm not sure how it happens with these specs.  This really isn't a big enough jump over consoles which had their hardware finalized around 2004.  Hopefully some of the rumored specs are wrong and the end product packs a bigger punch.  They also have to ditch the shitty waggle, or at least make sure the console has a regular controller in the box as well.  It isn't just the lack of power hardcore gamers hate about the Wii.  It is the terrible control method you have to use for games.  Oh yeah and their online is garbage too and must be fixed.  Say what you will about PSN, while it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of Xbox Live and Steam it is at least functional.  If Nintendo can get the Super Wii to this level it would be a huge improvement.  Probably the accepted base line.  Anything less is a failure.

[Oblivion]

Yeah, dunno dick about all the fancy tiers of GPUs and such, but 512 MB of RAM is kinda lame. Doesn't having a low amount of RAM with a powerful GPU gimp the system?

[cool breeze]

Pretty sure 360/PS3 are capable of 1080p with 60fps.  It's just that the people making the games value graphical effects and whatnot over performance and image quality. 

there will still be less than optimal resolutions and frame rates in the next-next gen too

[iconoclast]

Pretty sure 360/PS3 are capable of 1080p with 60fps.  It's just that the people making the games value graphical effects and whatnot over performance and image quality. 

there will still be less than optimal resolutions and frame rates in the next-next gen too

Pretty much. 60 FPS on console games will never, ever be standard.

[maxy]

Bah,nobody will mandate locked 30,60 fps 1080p.Frankly I don't care much,just put quality scalers in them.Expect resolutions between sub 720p-1080p.Just like this gen,(more ops per pixel)>>(pushing more pixels),average res will grow though.

At start we could see lots of 1080p Super Wii titles,from Nintendo first party.
If you want to re-capture hardcore,you have to brag

But this is Nintendo,3DS vs PSP situation will repeat.

There will be lots of hype at start,gone at launch...long time to go until June,fall 2012
I doubt that competition will leave Nintendo alone,especially in Japan.They could get big exclusive games there,if re-capturing hardcore is their goal.

512MB RAM is just speculation from the site...minimum to port 360 games easily
Not having at least 1GB RAM will cost them in the long run...it would easily differentiate them from PS360 games,current gen is memory starved

It would cost them in $$$ too...so who knows

Jim Reilly - New Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console - like a miniature television."

Jim Reilly - Dual analog sticks on the controller. Can stream game content from the console. Not sure if it'll be full games, mini-games, or apps.

This sound mighty interesting,console and a handheld in one package.
Great thing for people that play handhelds only at home...probably majority of hardcore Western population

And not gimped by handheld hardware,console does the work...dual analogs too

I don't care much about Nintendo or their games but this sounds hot hot hot

[Raban]

You wanna bitch about framerates? Become a PC gamer. 60fps ain't ever gonna be the console standard.

[pilonv1]

You wanna bitch about framerates? Become a PC gamer. 60fps ain't ever gonna be the console standard.

Was just going to type this. Sad thing is this new Nintendo will still be well below a middle range new PC, which usually isn't the case with new console launches.

[maxy]

saw this on gaf

No developer makes games as high quality as Nintendo. They understand that these are games, not movies, and they make so their games are positively brimming with the sort of happy-go-lucky energy that makes this hobby such a joy.

 

nintards are really amazing creatures

before
hd=killing industry,nobody can see the difference,just sit as far as you can from TV,nobody wants HD Mario

after
hd=amazing,720p ftw,Nintendo is pushing industry forward,HD mario 

Can't wait to see them praising 360 "Hollywood" games ports

  GTA 4...my first GTA game

[maxy]

btw,that french site responded to some rumors circulating around


BC...Nintendo didn't mention it when talking to devs
blu-ray...not denying,not confirming...no mention from contact
power...more than 360,but just a notch...aimed to make ports easy,according to the contact


http://www.01net.com/editorial/531680/project-cafe-ce-qui-reste-a-eclaircir-a-propos-de-la-wii-2/

I expect $350 price

[Herr Mafflard]

Nintendo: congratulations on your new console, ninthings... now enjoy these xbox ports (we've even included a dual-analog controller in the box this time!)

also, look forward to possibly a decent first-party game every year, if we're feeling generous

[naff]

Jim Reilly - New Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console - like a miniature television."

Jim Reilly - Dual analog sticks on the controller. Can stream game content from the console. Not sure if it'll be full games, mini-games, or apps.

...

I don't care much about Nintendo or their games but this sounds hot hot hot

Agreed, that sounds like a great idea for that screen. I initially just thought of stuff like managing your inventory a la DS but actually using it to play games rendered on the console and viewed on the controller screen is a genius idea. How much are those controllers going to cost though!?

[pilonv1]

So nthings will be enjoying Saints Row and Bayonetta in 2012 while the rest of us will be playing new games?

[maxy]

Jim Reilly - New Nintendo controller allows players to stream entire games to the device from the console - like a miniature television."

Jim Reilly - Dual analog sticks on the controller. Can stream game content from the console. Not sure if it'll be full games, mini-games, or apps.

...

I don't care much about Nintendo or their games but this sounds hot hot hot

Agreed, that sounds like a great idea for that screen. I initially just thought of stuff like managing your inventory a la DS but actually using it to play games rendered on the console and viewed on the controller screen is a genius idea. How much are those controllers going to cost though!?

Not too much if Nintendo wants to sell them.Console accessories are costly because of insane profit margins.

This thing just needs something able to take the stream and display it.Cheap arm cpu,some ram,etc...nothing overly expensive.It would be like mini On-Live except that server is very close,designed for minimal latency.They could even try to use internet like On-Live,it could be fine for some games.

Take controller to work and play Zelda,imagine if that thing has some TV output...just connect it to TV and play,console does the work somewhere

Dual analog,6 inch screen

This is no gimmick,if you can play full games on it.

[Damian79]

will Wii2 outspec the NGP? i will piss myself if it isn't (and i will shit myself if the Wii2 then costs more lol)

The NGP isnt quite as powerful as the ps3 judging by the best looking game on the handheld Uncharted 3.  It might be but they wont use it this early because it kills the battery life.  Also i wonder if the ngp batterly life is "comparable to the psp" when the psp if at full power or half power.  It would be funny if it was at full power because it would mean that the ngp lasts at most 3 hours instead of the 4-6 hours people are guessing.  I hope all will be revealed at E3.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The controller screen sounds like a more powerful VMU to me.

[naff]

Same idea, modern implementation

[maxy]

Something different

EG has some Crysis 2 interview,nothing particularity interesting except this

My finger-pointing at Microsoft/Sony would really be on the memory side," said Crytek's principal graphics engineer Tiago Sousa while discussing with Eurogamer the problems the team encountered when developing Crysis 2 for console.

"It's way too low, and the biggest crippling factor from a visual perspective. I would really like to see next-gen console platforms with a minimum of 8GB."

Hopefully MS listens to them,like they did with Epic.Some rumors(like a year ago) said that MS is "shopping" for some insane specs.They will ping devs for sure.
Not sure if Kinect casual stuff has calmed down that.

[Diunx]

I don't get the controller screen shit, why would I want to play my $60 wii2 game on a 6 inches sub hd screen?

[naff]

 

You're lying in bed, you're lazy, you want to play your WiiII and the TV is not next to your bed

[maxy]

I don't get the controller screen shit, why would I want to play my $60 wii2 game on a 6 inches sub hd screen?

My point

Why would you play console like games on 5 inch sub-hd PSP2 screen,with worse controls layout and graphics(if that matters on small screen)?
Portability is one legit reason,but how many people play PSP in public?

Not many in the West

My biggest reason for getting PSP was to play games casually anywhere in the house.Sometimes I'm just too lazy or tired to fire up big screen,speakers...especially at night

I just find some comfy place and play PSP,in complete silence

Few advantages over classical handhelds

1.You are playing full console game,not some port
2.Controls are the same,not gimped in any way
3.Getting tired from handheld/console...continue playing on console/handheld
4.You need only one game...$60 only

There is also one thing,consoles often have smaller games that are more suited for small screens...think some xbla games

XBLA games on a handheld,one buy

The biggest negative is that you have to be within wireless reach.This all assumes that you play handhelds mostly at home,of course.

[Bebpo]

Something different

EG has some Crysis 2 interview,nothing particularity interesting except this

My finger-pointing at Microsoft/Sony would really be on the memory side," said Crytek's principal graphics engineer Tiago Sousa while discussing with Eurogamer the problems the team encountered when developing Crysis 2 for console.

"It's way too low, and the biggest crippling factor from a visual perspective. I would really like to see next-gen console platforms with a minimum of 8GB."

Hopefully MS listens to them,like they did with Epic.Some rumors(like a year ago) said that MS is "shopping" for some insane specs.They will ping devs for sure.
Not sure if Kinect casual stuff has calmed down that.

 

My computer doesn't even have 8 gigs wtf.

We'll be lucky if the PS4/X720 have anything more than 1gig ram.  Maaaaybe at best they'll have 1.5 or 2, but probably just 1gig ram.

[maxy]

You just lag behind times

PS2->PS3

32MB->512MB


1GB next gen=

Rumors say that 3DS OS has 32 MB for itself,just like 360
I will be surprised if next gen Xbox OS has less than 512 MB reserved.People want tons of social features enabled at any time.

[choco parfait]

I can see 1.5 for next gen, in the case of the 360/PS3 at least it's DDR3 and cost for that drops every passing day.

As for console games never being able to hit 60fps, I disagree. Unless there's another HD resolution standards revolution, consoles will approach 720P/60fps output very soon if not by next generation, because all that's happening right now is console hardware is getting more powerful yet the task they're required to do is relatively the same.

For consoles to achieve something like 1920x1200 60fps like PCs is probably a long long time off, but it won't take much in the way of hardware leaps to achieve 1280x720 @ 60fps standard.

[Bebpo]

What I see next-gen PS/Xbox

All games are still 720p.  All games are 720p 30fps 3D; some of those are also 60fps 720p 2D.  Likewise some of those are also 1080p 30fps 2d.

[choco parfait]

All games are still 720p.

Well, that'd be an improvement over this generation at least. 

[maxy]

The need to make it a requirement, then.

Or fuck, lock it at 30FPS AT LEAST.

That slipped through my hawk eye unnoticed

Console that would have that requirement would be 1000000x more hated than PS3 by devs.

Internet is full of rumors now

-Pikmin 3 moved to Super Wii,to be shown in video form at E3
-Nintendo talking to Rockstar...nothing unusual

[Damian79]

It would be funny if it was at full power because it would mean that the ngp lasts at most 3 hours

so roughly in line with 3DS? good with me.

The NGP isnt quite as powerful as the ps3

it's nowhere near as powerful as the PS3 - Sony PR

Nintendo fucked up bad with the 3d technology on the 3ds imo.  They should have kept it 2d and let the thing last 5 hours.

[Damian79]

The touch screen actually being viable i dunno.

[choco parfait]

With the current reports suggesting the new console as only slightly more powerful than a 360, I'm laughing at Nintendo if they think they can break into the hardcore market. By the time MS and Sony get their foot down, 360-level hardware is going to look like... a Wii.

So much for those multiplatform ports. Nintendo doing their own thing once again. And here I thought it'd be interesting if they were actually going to try and conquer both markets this time aroud.

[Purple Filth]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27184034&postcount=8476

ahh fanboys.



Should be interesting when official info comes out for this but man E3 is shaping up to be "epic".

[Bocsius]

On the offhand chance the the public actually cares about beefy hardware, Nintendo is likely making a mistake if the thing is barely more powerful than a 360. But I don't think the public will care about that so much. Unlike you, we don't count pixels or frames.

That said, I'm also not sure if Nintendo can find a good gimmick two times in a row, or that the public will be willing to be duped two times in a row.

That also being said, I also thought Wii was DOA, so I'm clearly not the go-to source for pre-launch hardware prognostications.

[Purple Filth]

On the offhand chance the the public actually cares about beefy hardware, Nintendo is likely making a mistake if the thing is barely more powerful than a 360. But I don't think the public will care about that so much. Unlike you, we don't count pixels or frames.

That said, I'm also not sure if Nintendo can find a good gimmick two times in a row, or that the public will be willing to be duped two times in a row.

That also being said, I also thought Wii was DOA, so I'm clearly not the go-to source for pre-launch hardware prognostications.

it was imo but only to the usual audience, they got the other audience instead to much success.

[Mrbob]

i thought about this - it's an awesome hedged bet!

"Well, if NGP is awesome and does well, then at LEAST we'll get 1-to-1 home ports!"

reduced expecations = blue skys of love

but that does raise the question...

will Wii2 outspec the NGP? i will piss myself if it isn't (and i will shit myself if the Wii2 then costs more lol)

I wouldn't be shocked if the PSP2 ends up with more ram in it than the Super Wii. 

[maxy]

8GB RAM Crytek "debate"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=427598

Level of stupidity is amazing
Overkill,no need,lol,my PC uses only 2GB max,lol,overkill...wahhh
Some people really think that Crytek,Epic,Rockstar,etc wouldn't use that RAM to max

Next gen consoles will probably last until 2020+
8GB of RAM will be nothing in few years let alone 2020.There are many rendering techniques that would make 8GB look like peanuts.

quote from a smart person

RAM isn't just textures..... It's not only more detailed meshes, textures, more diversity, etc., but also room to hold data in memory that is created on the fly (destructible terrains, lighting data, etc.). It also means less loading, etc. There's a LOT you can do with RAM that has nothing to do with textures. Sound, AI, everything can benefit from more RAM.

[Damian79]

You do realise that all those otehr things aside form textures take up very little ram right?

[maxy]

You do realise that all those otehr things aside form textures take up very little ram right?

Will just quote this

RAM isn't just textures..... It's not only more detailed meshes, textures, more diversity, etc., but also room to hold data in memory that is created on the fly (destructible terrains, lighting data, etc.). It also means less loading, etc. There's a LOT you can do with RAM that has nothing to do with textures. Sound, AI, everything can benefit from more RAM.

Things add up very quickly.

[Damian79]

All those thing take up 500MB and i am being way generous max.

[maxy]

So you are Bill Gates now? 

We all know why devs don't push memory too hard...

I like Sony PSP2 approach

"We thought about using reptilian age hardware...but fuck that,that is not us

We will use high end hardware,it will be costly...if you want to buy,fine

Dirty poor beer can collectors not wanted...buy in 5 years if you collect enough cans,we don't give a fuck"

[Great Rumbler]

I got 4GBs of RAM when I built my current PC about 3-4 year ago. I don't regret that decision one bit.

[maxy]

I got 4GBs of RAM when I built my current PC about 3-4 year ago. I don't regret that decision one bit.

Heretic,how dare you to contradict holy console bible?
 
512 MB for life

[Diunx]

You do realise that all those otehr things aside form textures take up very little ram right?

Whose joke character are you?

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

All those thing take up 500MB and i am being way generous max.

You're a Nintard and therefore have no real grasp of technology.  Stick to what you know: whimsy and happy-go-lucky energy produced by the only benevolent corporation in the world.

[Eel O'Brian]

I upgraded to 8GB a few months ago because it was dirt (like, $34 for 4GB) cheap, and so far it's been kind of overkill.  The only thing I notice it helping with is loading the huge raw audio file when I edit the podcast.  For a dedicated console with a low overhead OS 4GB ought to be fine.  Then again, this obsession with having "apps" which have nothing to do with gaming means having more crap loaded into memory.  I really don't know.  I do know capping it at 512 is for the fucking birds. 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

If these new consoles are going to have the life cycles of the 360 and PS3, if not longer, I think 8 GB is perfectly reasonable.  Long range planning and all that.  I think anything under 4 GB will age badly for the 2016 and 2017 AAA games that attempt to perform on par with their PCs versions.  My shitty Dell laptop I bought in 2009 for $500 has 4 GB of RAM.  I imagine it is extremely cheap at this point and will probably be almost nothing when they start getting manufactured in 2012 and 2013.

Nintendo wants to cap it low so developers will be forced to develop original content for the Wiii.  Considering that the original content ends up being shit like The Conduit, it makes perfect sense to try the same brilliant strategy twice   Although I'm sure Super Mario Universe/Galaxy 3 will look nice and I will buy one

[fistfulofmetal]

more is always better. always. no excuses.