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ME RIKEY 360
« on: August 09, 2006, 09:54:29 PM »
I eagerly anticipate the 360 vs. Wii flamewars that will define the coming generation.
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Re: ME RIKEY 360
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2006, 09:56:03 PM »
Naw, Wii60 is all up in the e-crib!

Wii60 vs. PS3.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 09:57:13 PM »
what is this PS3
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 09:57:18 PM »
360 could win this gen. Everyday it seems to become more possible.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 09:58:47 PM »
I eagerly anticipate the 360 vs. Wii flamewars that will define the coming generation.
But I kinda don't think anybody would support Wii.  It has so much selling potential because of downloadable games, aesthetics, and controller that it will appeal a lot to the average person and everybody will say that they have it because of that.

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 09:59:56 PM »
I eagerly anticipate the 360 vs. Wii flamewars that will define the coming generation.
But I kinda don't think anybody would support Wii.  It has so much selling potential because of downloadable games, aesthetics, and controller that it will appeal a lot to the average person and everybody will say that they have it because of that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2006, 10:00:14 PM »
What are we going to play, Doug?  :'(
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2006, 10:03:59 PM »
Is Dead Rising multiplayer, demi? I'll have that next week.

Let's go picket MS to get some support for Phantom Dust so we can gangrape Saint Cornelius in the lobby. I'll call dibs on his ass. You can have his mouth; it's  :-X
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2006, 10:17:08 PM »
:lol
It's true though, have you ever seen a nintendo fan argue when they have a perfectly good reason?

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2006, 10:17:48 PM »
No multi that I know of...
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2006, 10:18:34 PM »
The 360 has downloadable games -- ones that aren't available from the internet ROM store --and aesthetics, as well as hardware that is an order of magnitude superior.
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2006, 10:21:00 PM »
360 could win this gen. Everyday it seems to become more possible.

people just like to give into euphoria and attack the established giant to feel important, but most of those who do so are just short-sighted, and unable to think in the long run

most Xbox 360 games thus far are shoddy ports with Xbox 1 assets that do not play well and won't stand the test of time

no way it can win, it's really obvious that this generation is going to be a victory for the PS3 -- with no killer apps that the public cares a bout save for Halo 3 the Xbox 360 won't stand a chance, when the big PS3 franchises start rolling in and incite customers to buy the system in droves then it's all over for the competition
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2006, 10:22:47 PM »
The 360 has downloadable games -- ones that aren't available from the internet ROM store --and aesthetics, as well as hardware that is an order of magnitude superior.


it's very little but shovelware and ports of arcade games from the nineties, and the general public doesn't care about that, and isn't ready to pay money for cards or to give their credit card number online  in order to buy that

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2006, 10:24:44 PM »
Bejeweled 2 and Hexic -- games more popular in the West than any Jappy RPG -- would beg to differ when described as "shovelware".  World of Warcraft and eBay would likewise indicate that the public has no problem with putting CC numbers online. Why do you fear the 360?

Anyway, this thread isn't about the PS3, which is officially a non-factor. It's about the battle between good and stupid: i.e. 360 vs. Wii.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2006, 10:26:27 PM by Drinky Crow »
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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2006, 10:27:13 PM »
The 360 has downloadable games -- ones that aren't available from the internet ROM store --and aesthetics, as well as hardware that is an order of magnitude superior.
Don't overestimate us nintendo fans.  You think we give a fuck about anything other then perfection?

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2006, 10:28:26 PM »
IT HAS BEGUN
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2006, 10:36:56 PM »
IT HAS BEGUN
It has begun a long time ago.  We can't monologue, our ego's are too healthy.

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2006, 10:38:49 PM »
Bejeweled 2 and Hexic -- games more popular in the West than any Jappy RPG -- would beg to differ when described as "shovelware".  World of Warcraft and eBay would likewise indicate that the public has no problem with putting CC numbers online. Why do you fear the 360?

I don't fear the Xbox 360, I'm exasperated since most people on the Internet appear way too irrationally enthusiastic about it -- I remember in 2001 when a bunch of fanboys popped out of nowhere when the Xbox was unveiled and began opposing to Sony and Nintendo to feel important, and shouting their circle jerks aloud on every forum and this time once again this contingent is louder and way too confident for its own good

these puzzle games that you just described, the people who like them on PC won't want to sit on a couch and play them with a controller, it's used by soccer moms and bored officers to waste some time away in front of the computer by doing a bunch of mouse clicks, those aren't an audience who're going to massively sit in front of a TV with a controller in their hands to play ports of shareware PC games, or spend  money online for them

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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2006, 10:41:31 PM »
We think you're irrationally enthusiastic about whatever that console Sony is releasing that's built entirely from load times, unproven media, gargantuan power supplies, discount nVidia hardware, misallocated RAM working sets, and vague promises squeezed from Kutaragi's gapin' blowhole.

Feel free to inform my wife that playing Bejeweled 2 on the 360 is a poor substitute for the PC.

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I remember in 1991 when a bunch of fanboys popped out of nowhere when the Genesis was unveiled and began opposing Nintendo to feel important
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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2006, 10:42:44 PM »
"Kutaragi's gapin' blowhole" sounds like a DS game
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2006, 10:43:21 PM »
360 is goood.  I rikey too!    8)

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2006, 10:52:17 PM »
Drinky's apathy towards PS3 makes me sad

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2006, 10:54:30 PM »
I still love the PS2 and PSP uber alles, comrade. The PS3 has very little to get excited about, and a whole lot to be disappointed in.
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2006, 10:56:54 PM »
I'm all about the PS2, since I just finally bought one a month ago.  :hyper :hyper :hyper
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2006, 11:01:17 PM »
We think you're irrationally enthusiastic about whatever that console Sony is releasing that's built entirely from load times, unproven media, gargantuan power supplies, discount nVidia hardware, misallocated RAM working sets, and vague promises squeezed from Kutaragi's gapin' blowhole.

Feel free to inform my wife that playing Bejeweled 2 on the 360 is a poor substitute for the PC.

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I remember in 2001 when a bunch of fanboys popped out of nowhere when the Xbox was unveiled and began opposing to Sony and Nintendo to feel important

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I remember in 1995 when a bunch of fanboys popped out of nowhere when the Playstation was unveiled and began opposing to Sega and Nintendo to feel important

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I remember in 1991 when a bunch of fanboys popped out of nowhere when the Genesis was unveiled and began opposing Nintendo to feel important

in 2001 the Internet had become mainstream, but before the ignorant newbie fanboys lacked an outlet to massively express themselves -- also, I feel within Xbox fanboys a very strong, pretty delusional anti-Japanese feeling of pride since Microsoft is an american company

beyond the FUD in your post, from what we know now, multiplatform ports on both consoles are going to be nearly identically similar, and the PS3 probably has some more long-term untapped potential -- however that is vastly irrelevant for the future marketability of their games, as these are both very capable machines that will rivalize with one another

Sony has the franchises in their hands -- Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Virtua Fighter, Gran Turismo... and countless others that will remain exclusive to PS3. All blockbuster franchises from previous generations that breed killer apps and have legions of fans, that will generate interest among the casuals who're going to be forced to buy a PS3 in order to be able to play them.

Save for a shared GTA 4 and Halo 3, I frankly don't see what Xbox 360 exclusives games are going to massively excite the masses and make them sell a million of Xbox 360s individually. I see a lot of original franchises, but these are no-name games that the general public doesn't know and won't care about. This really needs to change, and I frankly wonder if it can.
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2006, 11:02:40 PM »
No-one thought Halo and GTA would stir up the masses last gen, either.
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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2006, 11:05:22 PM »
DON'T LET THE PC GAMING DREAM DIE , DX10 IS SOO CLOSE


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Dont buy that PC lite!


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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2006, 11:15:44 PM »
I still love PC gaming, Toxic. It will always be vastly superior to what petty consoles provide.
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2006, 11:55:28 PM »
doug what xbla games should i get

i have 3000 points burning in my digital wallet
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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2006, 12:25:46 AM »
get marble blast ultra definitely

galaga for quality nostalgia

mutant storm whatever is great

uno fer sure
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2006, 01:00:12 AM »
The pS3 is a mistake.


Sony need to call a do-over.   :-\

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2006, 01:09:27 AM »
I fan myself with my PS3 money.

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2006, 01:09:50 AM »
GTA, Halo, and Madden were the best selling games in the US last generation, and similar sales are almost set in stone in the next generation.  With FORZA, the Tom Clancy games, and very stong western 3rd party support, beating ps3 in North American sales is very possible.  The games you listed mondain save Final Fantasy are not the sales powerhouses you think they are. 

Capcom are showing they are warming up to the 360 with Dead Rising, Lost Planet, and Resident Evil 5.  Other Japanese developers WILL follow or risk alienating a lot of western gamers.  I expect many more multiplatform ports from Namco, Konami, Bandai, Koei, etc. 

Sure, PS3 will beat 360 in Japan and Europe, thanks to Square.  But they still have Nintendo( :lol) to contend with.  Coupled with the slower sales that the system price will undoubtedly bring I expect much more of a threeway tie this gen than last.

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Re: ME RIKEY 360
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2006, 01:11:24 AM »
Try zuma demi

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2006, 01:21:28 AM »
doug what xbla games should i get

i have 3000 points burning in my digital wallet

don't get street fighter, it effing blows
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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2006, 01:58:28 AM »
GTA, Halo, and Madden were the best selling games in the US last generation, and similar sales are almost set in stone in the next generation.  With FORZA, the Tom Clancy games, and very stong western 3rd party support, beating ps3 in North American sales is very possible.  The games you listed mondain save Final Fantasy are not the sales powerhouses you think they are.

Only Halo is exclusive to Xbox 360. Tom Clancy/Ubisoft games won't be exclusive either.

Forza's sales were deceiving, with Pac-Man World 2 selling more copies. 



In the US, maybe Virtua Fighter isn't a sales powerhouse as it is in Japan, however the remaining franchises are tried and true blockbusters. Final Fantasy is one of the most popular franchises all around even in NA (where Final Fantasy X sold 2.3 million copies).

If I'm not mistaken, Devil May Cry is now more popular than Resident Evil (for which the fifth iteration might not even appear on Xbox 360). Gran Turismo 3's sales were one of the highest amount of sold game copies last generation through the world, and although the fourth volume's modest update didn't resound too much at retail, a fifth Gran Turismo with full next-gen graphics, and online play as an ancillary bonus, sure will sell millions of PS3 consoles.


Capcom are showing they are warming up to the 360 with Dead Rising, Lost Planet, and Resident Evil 5.  Other Japanese developers WILL follow or risk alienating a lot of western gamers.  I expect many more multiplatform ports from Namco, Konami, Bandai, Koei, etc. 

Sure, PS3 will beat 360 in Japan and Europe, thanks to Square.  But they still have Nintendo( :lol) to contend with.  Coupled with the slower sales that the system price will undoubtedly bring I expect much more of a threeway tie this gen than last.


Capcom wanted to try their hands at next-gen since they were given development tools early. Dead Rising and Lost Planet are not killer apps, they are original efforts that might sell well at retail. However they are unknown franchises that won't find a public as big as the other franchises found on PS3 consoles exclusively. And as previously mentioned, Resident Evil has lost a lot of his blockbusting power now.

There sure will be a bunch of ports from Japanese developpers... however considering the absolutely dreadful sales of Xbox 360 consoles and games in Japan, I think that instead more and more, they'll stop developping games for that platform altogether, leaving only the PS3 as a serious next-gen gaming experience platform for them.

With the rather abysmal support from third party developpers on Wii, plus the fact that PS2 will still be around for those looking for a cheap platform for gaming, and with a userbase that accounts for a couple dozens of millions (plus all those owning PS3s too), I'm not seeing a bright future for Wii at all. I'm expecting a repeat of last gen, with Sony way up ahead, Microsoft in second place with strong action and sports games (kinda like in the Genesis days), and Nintendo trailing far behind.

No matter how you put is, this generation's leader will be determined by the amount of exclusive killer applications its console has. Where are the big Xbox 360 exclusive blockbusters might I ask which aren't multiplatform or shared with the PC? How is Bioware going to produce a blockbuster with Mass Effect when it hasn't got the Star Wars or Dungeons and Dragons franchise anymore to catalyze great sales?

Everything's set for another pole position for Sony unless an act of God occurs.
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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2006, 03:53:00 AM »
PS3 does have a clear advantage in proven game series.  Like you said, unless something huge happens, ps3 will win.  I'm only questioning it's ability to win North America.  Gran Turismo  slid down in sales with 4, and all PD has shown is GTHD.  Is that enough to keep the car nuts when FORZA will have the cars, damage model, superior customization, 60 fps, force feedback, and the excellent online experience?  I dunno, probably not.  I know better than to downplay fanboy loyalty in the face of superior products.  To FORZA 1's credit, it was a new unproven series, and the xbox was practically dead all of 2005.  I really doubt FORZA 2 will sell under 1.5 million in NA, not enough to win anything but it'll make an impact.  I expect some Need for Speed Underground iteration or clone to be bigger than both this gen. 

Sony has a shitload of exclusive games that average around 1 million, but where is their GTA for this gen to rocket it far out of the reach of the xbox in NA?  What is Microsofts?  What are multiplatform games going to look like in the side-by-side comparisons?  What suprises does Sony have instore for their final hardware?  These are all unanswered or unproven questions that have a huge impact on sales. 

All it would take is Gears of War or Racket and Clank Eat Your Momma to be a AAA breakout hit for a system to demolish the other here.  And don't downplay Halo, that is worth at least 4 Sony exclusives here.

Wii sucks ass, but it'll sell 30 million.   

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2006, 04:13:09 AM »
btw, I don't meant to appear biased or to discredit your opinion, just to bring a different reasonable angle to the thread. I respect your views.

I really don't think Gears of War stands any chance of becoming a killer franchise honestly, although I respect Epic as developpers. It's still a no-name franchise. Halo is a juggernaut of gaming, but it had the chance of being a big FPS title that Microsoft publicized highly at launch, a period where buyers must absolutely get new surefire games to have something to play with their new expensive toy, and good games were scared for a long period after the Xbox was available. I always thought that it became a killer title by accident, in a sense.

I'm scared that we're going to see massively discounted copies of GOW just a few months later... although maybe it could end up being a good seller. A possible GOTY candidate if everything's done right, I'm not sure of it though. This year's going to be either Final Fantasy XII or The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess IMO.

Concerning Gran Turismo HD, from what I read... wasn't it a quick tech demo done in like 3 weeks by Polyphony Digital at Kutaragi's demand to show something Gran Turismo-related for E3 2006, with existing Gran Turismo 4 car models having slightly higher polygon counts? That is not the future killer Gran Turismo that Polyphony is cooking up.

You're right though that the battle will be greatly altered by the wildcard games, those killer apps coming out of nowhere that can come out on any system and will sell millions by accident. What they are and which console they'll be made for, no one can tell yet.
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2006, 06:48:56 AM »
Jotaro...this is why halo sold, plain and simple
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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2006, 07:06:04 AM »
See Drinky, this is why you shouldn't start threads like this.

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2006, 12:36:49 PM »
 :-[
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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2006, 12:37:53 PM »
It's a crying shame.  Bait some people politically.