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The successor to the Xbox 360 console is on desks at an unnamed Electronic Arts studio, Develop understands.
The new hardware, sent to EA last month, is a very early build with no casing – it is in fact being stored inside a PC shell.
EA developers are getting to grips with the tech to create first-generation software, Develop has been told.
“Quite often when new consoles come around they’re packaged into a PC shell, but actually what’s inside is an entirely new console,” a senior, trusted, well-placed source said.
Microsoft has declined to comment. EA has declined to comment. Develop’s source is not employed at either company.

The source believed, but did not have certain information, that the new Xbox would launch by the end of 2012. The individual expects an announcement will be made, at least in some form, at E3.


In March, new data revealed Microsoft was at the early stages in building the successor to the Xbox 360.
The platform owner had advertised new job vacancies such as Graphics Hardware Architect and Performance Engineer for the Xbox Console Architecture Group.
Microsoft’s new hires will be “responsible for defining and delivering next generation console architectures from conception through implementation,” the company said.
The language of the job vacancies suggested a reveal for the console is years away, but Develop’s source says a shock reveal could be weeks away.
“Why let Nintendo steal the thunder in June [At E3]? It doesn’t want to lose momentum. That’s why I think Microsoft is rushing to make an announcement at E3.”
It leads to suspicion that key next-gen projects are underway at Microsoft’s own internal studios. Some project names Develop has seen would suggest a change of guard.
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Specifications for the device are not available, for now. Develop understands that the hardware will feature enhanced support for Kinect with just a couple of alterations.
Over 52 million Xbox consoles have been sold since the system’s launch in May 2005.
Microsoft’s innovative motion controller, Kinect, launched November last year and has buoyed the console’s appeal.
Ten million Kinect units were sold worldwide as of March this year.
“Kinect will keep the 360 going for a couple of years, but Microsoft knows that if it slows down now it will face trouble,” the source added.

http://www.develop-online.net/news/37618/Develop-source-New-Xbox-console-on-desks-at-EA?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+developmag%2Fifbh+%28Develop%29


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Eurogamer understands that an E3 2011 reveal for Microsoft's next Xbox is highly unlikely.

Our respected source poured water on Develop's report that some kind of announcement will happen next month at E3.

Develop's report also mentions that EA already has development kits for the new console. To a untrained eye, these apparently look like PCs. But inside are apparently the components of Microsoft's next Xbox.

Prototype dev kits typically are PCs inside a PC box: the first Xbox 360 developer tools were based on dual core G5 PowerPC Macs with an ATI X800 GPU while the initial PS3 dev kits were based around a PC with two GeForce 6800 Ultras running in SLI.

The Develop source believes the new Xbox could launch as soon as the end of 2012.

No technical specifications for the new console were given.

EA and Microsoft both declined comment.



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-06-new-xbox-reveal-at-e3-unlikely-source


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EA has dismissed a report claiming that it is already working with dev kits for the Xbox 360's successor.

Corporate spokesman Jeff Brown told IndustryGamers, "This story is a total fabrication – 100 per cent not true."

Develop's original story earlier today stated that EA had prototype development kits housed in PC units, adding that the new console was being prepped for a late 2012 launch.

A respected Eurogamer source also poured water on the report, insisting that an E3 2011 reveal for a new Microsoft console is highly unlikely.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-06-ea-new-xbox-rumours-total-fabrication
« Last Edit: May 06, 2011, 05:03:33 PM by Stoney Mason »

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yeah some next gen* "specs"  have been circulating around apparently...all consoles included

but nobody knows what they are :lol

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next xbox=PC

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And once again Sony will be caught with its pants down as they scramble to get anywhere near X720's 2013 release since they were probably figuring out both in 2014 and were shooting for that.
So we either get a rushed downgraded console, or Sony starts 2 years after WiiHD and 1 year after X720 and is screwed for another generation.

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relax Bebpo

It will take years to make decent launch games for next gen consoles.
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I'm fine with a 2012 or 2013 fall new console from MS. That's about the right timeline. From a strategy standpoint I think 2013 is probably better for them but who knows.  


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Eurogamer understands that an E3 2011 reveal for Microsoft's next Xbox is highly unlikely.

Our respected source poured water on Develop's report that some kind of announcement will happen next month at E3.

Develop's report also mentions that EA already has development kits for the new console. To a untrained eye, these apparently look like PCs. But inside are apparently the components of Microsoft's next Xbox.

Prototype dev kits typically are PCs inside a PC box: the first Xbox 360 developer tools were based on dual core G5 PowerPC Macs with an ATI X800 GPU while the initial PS3 dev kits were based around a PC with two GeForce 6800 Ultras running in SLI.

The Develop source believes the new Xbox could launch as soon as the end of 2012.

No technical specifications for the new console were given.

EA and Microsoft both declined comment.



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-06-new-xbox-reveal-at-e3-unlikely-source
« Last Edit: May 06, 2011, 12:38:04 PM by Stoney Mason »

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Hopefully they work out a good user interface before it launches. Blades :yuck
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"inside a PC case"

Microsoft, after killing PC gaming back in 2001 with Halo on the Xbox, has no fucking shame.

That's how they always ship these things. The early 360 dev kits were power macs. Final hardware doesn't come until way later.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2011, 01:50:56 PM by Stoney Mason »

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Hopefully they work out a good user interface before it launches. Blades :yuck
MS will be all going full Metro UI with everything.

And once again Sony will be caught with its pants down as they scramble to get anywhere near X720's 2013 release since they were probably figuring out both in 2014 and were shooting for that.
So we either get a rushed downgraded console, or Sony starts 2 years after WiiHD and 1 year after X720 and is screwed for another generation.

Except this time around, MS is probably not going to try all that hard to win mindshare. Launching it around the same time as the Cafe is suspicious of weaker spec'd hardware as well.

If MS keeps its current style of operations, and just tosses a new console in the mix, Sony can easily drop in 2 years later, with a crazy powerful console and win over everyone. They won't have such a rough time this time around because MS is likely not going to be as aggressive in courting developers as is shown of late... they'll win over NA/EU with their first-party exclusives, and Japan with all of the 3rd parties JP devs finally following them right from the start since MS won't be around this time to toss moneyhats everywhere.

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>Sony
>crazy powerful console

Oh you...

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And once again Sony will be caught with its pants down as they scramble to get anywhere near X720's 2013 release since they were probably figuring out both in 2014 and were shooting for that.
So we either get a rushed downgraded console, or Sony starts 2 years after WiiHD and 1 year after X720 and is screwed for another generation.

Except this time around, MS is probably not going to try all that hard to win mindshare. Launching it around the same time as the Cafe is suspicious of weaker spec'd hardware as well.

If MS keeps its current style of operations, and just tosses a new console in the mix, Sony can easily drop in 2 years later, with a crazy powerful console and win over everyone. They won't have such a rough time this time around because MS is likely not going to be as aggressive in courting developers as is shown of late... they'll win over NA/EU with their first-party exclusives, and Japan with all of the 3rd parties JP devs finally following them right from the start since MS won't be around this time to toss moneyhats everywhere.

Anything is possible but this sounds like something out of a Sony boardroom. Based on Sony introducing overpriced hardware in the market its just as easy to envision them making the exact same mistakes they made with the PS3 and being in the exact same position they are in currently. And crazy powerful hardware makes less and less of a difference as we go further along. Casual people are less likely to notice the graphical advances that get gaming nerds all hot and bothered.

Oh you...
The power of Blu-ray! Or something.

Anything is possible but this sounds like something out of a Sony boardroom. Based on Sony introducing overpriced hardware in the market its just as easy to envision them making the exact same mistakes they made with the PS3 and being in the exact same position they are in currently. And crazy powerful hardware makes less and less of a difference as we go further along. Casual people are less likely to notice the graphical advances that get gaming nerds all hot and bothered.

I didn't claim they'd make the same mistakes again. Of course they're Sony, so they can always do something stupid, but there's a lot of factors in their favor this time around that they can't mess up. Namely, they don't have to go cutting edge with a brand new optical drive format, new proprietary CPU technology, and others.

If they just maximally upped the specs of the PS3 for the PS4, a large leap for a more reasonable price is definitely possible this time around.

As for the masses, it honestly seems like the strategy to win them over is pretty set. Either you go like Nintendo and target a whole new audience with your unique features, or you simply make sure you have the yearly CoD or whatever big-name multiplatform game on tap and make sure it's at least on par with other platform versions and you're good to go.

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EA has dismissed a report claiming that it is already working with dev kits for the Xbox 360's successor.

Corporate spokesman Jeff Brown told IndustryGamers, "This story is a total fabrication - 100 per cent not true."
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they'll win over NA/EU with their first-party exclusives, and Japan with all of the 3rd parties JP devs finally following them right from the start since MS won't be around this time to toss moneyhats everywhere.

Sony 1st party exclusives don't have nearly as much power as those on MS.  Killzone vs. Halo or Uncharted vs. Gears?  You gotta be kidding me...MS will have no problem taking control of western territories again.  Japanese devs know that they need western sales to survive, so they'll keep putting out games for the system.

This is also assuming that MS just stops making original first-party games and no longer tries to court 3rd part developers, which is absurd thinking.

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Sony can easily drop in 2 years later, with a crazy powerful console and win over everyone.

Yup, sure fire strategy this one  ;)
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Sorta' worked with the PS3 :cookiem
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sony making crazy powerful hardware?!only in the eyes of their herp derp fans obsessed with silly names
emotion engine,reality synthesizer :bow2

Launching 2 years later would be suicide,especially for Sony,nobody would care.This latest psn debacle is not giving them + points with consumers and especially developers.It's not a coincidence that MS is pushing 360 XBLA like crazy...upgrade to next xbox and everything transfers from 360,play all your juicy XBLA games on next xbox for free...high quality BC is an absolute must

Online will play a major role in "hardcore" transition,last gen there wasn't much to transfer,but this gen...boom

Anyway,some interesting rumors

-there is no next xbox hardware yet,only non-finalized paper specifications
-"dev kits" are just PCs that approximate those specs...given to big devs that want to start working on launch titles
-Tim Sweeney was consulted on the specifications...he is pretty happy with them,whatever that means



One funny thing about this EA stuff,few weeks ago someone made a thread on Bioware forums
"Hai guys!I hear you got next xbox dev kits!What's it like working with the new Xbox?
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Nintendo Stream owned
Nintendo thought that they would get away with 3DS too,big mistake.
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Oh you...
The power of Blu-ray! Or something.

Why would you use teal? I thought I was going colorblind for a second.
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Hey prole are you guys gonna add the ability to having good first party games to this console?
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Next gen will have new winners and MS will have to be aggressive with making sure they're on their new system and they're the best on their system. Next generation will also mean a big Japanese push because that's how it's been. Big Japanese push in the beginning, they see it didn't work, they proclaim "fuck them" then.

Even if they did, why would the developers bother to listen this time around? Just look at this generation: a bunch of moneyhats that went nowhere, except to prove that at the end, MS will cut the money and they come to the realization that they make more from releasing on the PS3 alone anyway. I'm certain this time around, even if MS was to go around and wave the money again, the JP developers are just going to decline and the bigger titles will focus on multiplatform, while the other titles and studios will just follow Sony because even being in 3rd place this gen, Sony proved they're the best vehicle for actually selling those games successfully in the US/EU and Japan.

Sony 1st party exclusives don't have nearly as much power as those on MS.  Killzone vs. Halo or Uncharted vs. Gears?  You gotta be kidding me...MS will have no problem taking control of western territories again.  Japanese devs know that they need western sales to survive, so they'll keep putting out games for the system.

Not to knock on MS' 1st party titles, they're all awesome but... there's like only 3 of them with any pull: Forza, Halo, Gears. And they pour all their efforts only into those, while Sony pours tons into multiple separate 1st party titles. These titles might not compete with MS' on a one-on-one comparison basis, but the level of variety of titles on the Sony platforms definitely outclass the MS ones. And to reach out to a larger audience, that's important.

Launching 2 years later would be suicide

When I said that, I mean 2 years later from now. Which if we assume a scenario where MS and Nintendo release in 2012, Sony would be in 2013.

Why would you use teal? I thought I was going colorblind for a second.

I like teal it's pretty so :yuck to you!

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the JP developers are just going to decline and the bigger titles will focus on multiplatform, while the other titles and studios will just follow Sony because even being in 3rd place this gen, Sony proved they're the best vehicle for actually selling those games successfully in the US/EU and Japan.

wat?

The only thing that follows Sony is rotten carcass stench coming from fallen sdf warriors.

and lawsuits
and big egg laying flies
and hackers



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http://www.develop-online.net/news/37622/So-who-DOES-have-next-gen-Xbox

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Our source insists new 'box with improved Kinect features is prototyped and in the wild

EA has denied it, and E3 reveal speculation may be jumping the gun, but Develop's top-level games developer source insists a new Xbox prototype does exist.

So that just begs the question - who does have one?

The snarky answer to that is 'no one' - but our man attests that developers have been allowed to see improved features that upgrade the device's current capabilities.

Specifics include a speedier and enhanced interface with its successful Kinect controller that means the camera kit is more responsive.

Previous rumours have also said Microsoft has a new disc format to add to the machine.

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In fact, Develop knows of at least two franchises in Europe currently undergoing production with new consoles in mind - so a next generation is coming, whether publishers and console manufacturers want us to know about it or not.

next generation 8)
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MS has been at work on the next Xbox since the 360 shipped, guaranteed. It's simply a matter of when they'll launch it an in  what configuration. With the Kinect now successfully out in the wild and the component prices on the 360 finally allowing profitability with each unit sold, there are probably marketing projections influencing when the next one can come out.

Wow, Power Macs? That's some nice trivia, didn't know that.

The months before new generation is officially announced are always the most interesting part of next-gen. Can't wait for PS4 info now. Sony cannot be left behind with all that black PR regarding identity theft etc.

Yeah, I've always believed that this post was the first evidence of the 360 devkits, and the reason that MS got bent out of shape was because he even posted which building he was at on the MS campus:
http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/23/even-microsoft-wants-g5s/

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MS has been at work on the next Xbox since the 360 shipped, guaranteed. It's simply a matter of when they'll launch it an in  what configuration. With the Kinect now successfully out in the wild and the component prices on the 360 finally allowing profitability with each unit sold, there are probably marketing projections influencing when the next one can come out.
Bean counters rule the world.

It will be interesting what they do,now they have something that brings them tons of money unlike first xbox.
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"tons of money" they're still third worldwide and are hardly making that much. honestly i'll be surprised if there is a xbox 3  :lol :lol
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Not to knock on MS' 1st party titles, they're all awesome but... there's like only 3 of them with any pull: Forza, Halo, Gears. And they pour all their efforts only into those, while Sony pours tons into multiple separate 1st party titles. These titles might not compete with MS' on a one-on-one comparison basis, but the level of variety of titles on the Sony platforms definitely outclass the MS ones. And to reach out to a larger audience, that's important.

Yeah, but it's absurd to think that MS will just be satisifed with their current output with a new console launch, they might as well not even bother making a new console if they just want to milk their current franchises.  You can bet they'll have tons of studios working on a wide variety of exclusive games for the launch and the first few years, they'll definitely want to create a new image for their new console with games that appeal to all sorts of demographics.  MS has always had a pretty good variety of 1st and 2nd-party titles at launch, and of course 3rd parties are going to want to get on the ground floor, including the Japanese ones.  They won't want to give up the chance to make a name for themselves from the beginning of a new generation.  If Sony launched 2 years later, the fanbase for all of the games will already exist on Xbox3 and that will be the main platform yet again.

The simple truth of the matter is that although the PS3 has some strong brands, most people don't care about PS3 franchises so public perception doesn't really mean much.  Who gets hyped for a new Ratchet game or Modnation Racers?  Games like Uncharted seem to have mainstream appeal, but still way behind Gears.  The only real brand that can compete is GT, I'm sure GT5 soured the franchise for some people but overall I think it'll take a lot more for it to fall behind Forza in popularity.
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Yeah, but it's absurd to think that MS will just be satisfied with their current output with a new console launch

They're plenty satisfied with it at the moment! And with all honesty, who can blame them? They're sell more than fine with the 2-3 exclusive franchises they have and multiplatform games. MS' new strategy clearly screams "as long as we can give a comparable experience to the opposition in terms of being able to offer the same multiplatform titles that sell really well, we are doing fine. No need to waste money on exclusive games."

And honestly, it works. That's why I'm skeptical as to why they would bother to push again next generation, seeing that it didn't do much this generation. It wasn't the Blue Dragons or the 1st Mass Effect that got the 360 to where it is now. It's the fact that it has Halo, Gears and all of the big multiplatform titles like CoD, RE5, etc. that did it. And it is the nature of that success that will guarantee they'll get continued multiplatform support next generation from 3rd parties.

But whether MS will moneyhat awesome exclusives or 3rd parties go out of their way to become exclusive to the platform again like they did at the beginning of the generation? Highly unlikely.

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hey might as well not even bother making a new console if they just want to milk their current franchises.  You can bet they'll have tons of studios working on a wide variety of exclusive games for the launch and the first few years

Definitely, if they are the only next gen console on the market, we'll probably see some new, low budget exclusive properties for a while until the next Playstation releases. But exclusive games from established series, or new high-profile series that could continue on the next Xbox and motivate people to stay once Sony's console is out? Probably not.

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And of course 3rd parties are going to want to get on the ground floor, including the Japanese ones.  They won't want to give up the chance to make a name for themselves from the beginning of a new generation.

That's the thing, I don't think they'll bother this time around, seeing as how horrible it ended up for them this generation. Pretty much all of them had to come crawling back to the PS3, or become multiplatform to survive.

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If Sony launched 2 years later, the fanbase for all of the games will already exist on Xbox3 and that will be the main platform yet again.

That's what was supposed to happen with a lot of the Japanese exclusives this generation, but as can be seen now, they've all ditched the 360 for good and have moved on to the PS3, and the fanbase followed.

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Lol the only successful new first party franchise ms have had this gen is gears, if we are lucky maybe they will create another franchise were you are a space marine that shoots aliens in the face! How awesome would that be?
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"tons of money" they're still third worldwide and are hardly making that much. honestly i'll be surprised if there is a xbox 3


indeed - MS must be looking up at the two gaming powerhouses raking in money day on day and wondering if it's worth it.

Still, let's not dwell on Nintendo and Apple's dominance - at least if MS drop out perhaps sony can improve on that 4th place / money blackhole they've been fitting quite nicely into?




This chart fits here nicely,it perfectly describes what happened this gen,it just misses few delicious Apple candy  bars


Some interesting article

http://gamasutra.com/view/news/34557/Report_Apple_Is_Worlds_Most_Valuable_Brand_Facebook_Fastest_Riser.php

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Here is BrandZ's top ten list of most valuable global brands in full:

1. Apple - $153.3 billion - 84 percent increase
2. Google - $111.5 billion - 2 percent decrease
3. IBM - $100.8 billion - 17 percent increase
4. McDonald's - $81.0 billion - 23 percent increase
5. Microsoft - $78.2 billion - 2 percent increase
6. Coca Cola - $73.8 billion - 8 percent increase
7. AT&T - $69.9 billion - no change
8. Marlboro - $67.5 billion - 18 percent increase
9. China Mobile - $57.3 billion - 9 percent increase
10. GE - $50.3 billion - 12 percent increase
Apple has tons of cash and they most certainly won't sit on them.





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Yeah, but it's absurd to think that MS will just be satisfied with their current output with a new console launch

They're plenty satisfied with it at the moment! And with all honesty, who can blame them? They're sell more than fine with the 2-3 exclusive franchises they have and multiplatform games. MS' new strategy clearly screams "as long as we can give a comparable experience to the opposition in terms of being able to offer the same multiplatform titles that sell really well, we are doing fine. No need to waste money on exclusive games."

Right now they're just riding the 360 into retirement, satisfied with how things are since there are enough people who own the system and the overall software sales are strong.  Things won't be so easy for them for a new gen, they'll have to start all over and attract people all over again.  You can't just assume that MS will put no effort into launching and supporting a new system with new titles and new exclusive deals.

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Yeah, I fully expect to see the Xbox 720 launch with such stellar exclusive titles as Kinect2 Adventures, Fable 4 and Halo 2 HD Remix
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Yeah, I fully expect to see the Xbox 720 launch with such stellar exclusive titles as Kinect2 Adventures, Fable 4 and Halo 2 HD Remix

And Fallout 4 exclusive :shh
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everyone going third party
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Halo 2 sales>>>>any PS3 exclusive

Halo 2 HD Remix :hyper

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Halo

the sole reason for Sony pumping(wasting) millions(billions by now) into fps games
sfags tremble at mere mention of it

Halo
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Yep,that was heavily rumored.

Next Xbox Live will be communication maximum.Text,Voice,Video,etc...Kinect in every box

No need to get up and pick up phone while on Xbox Live,talk while playing games,notification pops up and you just talk...

Get 10 calls...achievement unlocked
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I'm imagining Demolition Man, mistakenly calling some hot gamer girl as she just gets out of the shower and she's in the nude on your 65" Plasma.
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New console? FUCK THAT!

http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2011/may11/05-10CorpNewsPR.mspx?rss_fdn=Press%20Releases

SKYPE KINECT!!!!

Ffffffuuuuuu 8.5 billion for Skype :dizzy I'd heard 7 maybe 8 before the deal was actually announced. Fucking testament to MS's buying power :punch  Ebay have tried to monetize Skype to the point of profit, and failed and they payed 2.4 billion, then posted a loss on the sale of ~1.4 billion iirc after passing it on to Silver Lake. Why did they want Skype so goddamn badly? Checkin off dem boxes in the portfolio. Owner of the worlds biggest online communications network - check. Is it really that much better than messenger or did they basically just pay for the service that's name is like Google for online communication.
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